The Feds are now saying MM cardholders will not be able to possess firearms.:wtf:
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The Feds are now saying MM cardholders will not be able to possess firearms.:wtf:
Probably because the Feds wont recognize cannabis for its medicinial value and as long as they continue to maintain this outdated position, they will continue to look at legitimate MMJ patients as lawbreaking criminals. And according to the Feds, lawbreaking criminals would relinquish their right to keep and bear arms.Quote:
Originally Posted by yellowsnow
I think you would have to be convicted of something first. I mean, it is a constitutionally enumerated right after all. Now I'm a MMJ cardholder, and I'm a gun owner, and I did go to law school for something, and I think the Government, either State or Federal would have a tough row to hoe to convince a court that having an illness that makes me eligible for a state issued mmj card should make me ineligible to posess a firearm. What is the source of this story?
Where did you hear that?Quote:
Originally Posted by yellowsnow
Yes I would also like to know who the Feds are "saying" this to. I think you'd only be in danger, if busted Federally then, you might face some sort of extra firearms enhancement.
Scared
This gets us one step closer to getting the answer to the question:
State Law Trumps Fed?
or
Fed Law Trumps State?
Is it the United _States_ of America?
or
has it become something else?
Selling a firearm retail is a federal jurisdiction
possessing a fireman appears to be a state jurisdiction
My take is that if you show up at your local gunshop wearing a blaring green "420" t-shirt, you may not be able to buy anything.
As mentioned, I doubt the feds could get a list of cardholders.
I do not doubt that if the fed wanted to know if somebody was a cardholder in conjunction with a crime they would have no problem getting confirmation as long as they didn't pry to find out exactly what condition the cardholder qualified for.
This Q above is a non-starter, per the Supremacy Clause in the US Constitution, Federal law trumps State Law EVERY time. This is what makes mmj at the state level such an anomaly. Technically, the Feds say mmj is illegal, and has no medical value, but 13 or so state have chosen to ignore them. I guess in the mind of the Feds, since you are committing a felony by cultivating even one plant, then it would make sense that they would not want an "armed felon." However, since this state has about the most permissive gun laws in America, it will be interesting to see how this plays out, if ever a card-holder is busted by the STATE.
Scared
Federal law does trump state law EXCEPT the 10th Amendment. If its not spelled out in the constitution or bill of rights the states have authority to regulate or not regulate it. The 10th Amendment is the ONLY reason medical cannabis is legal in some states. States can also decide that fully automatic firearms and silencers are legal within that state.
But the big caveat is whether you get arrested by state authorities or federal authorities. If you're arrested by federal authorities you have no rights period. You're only right is to plea bargain.
Its time to have a true patriot governor step forward and make the argument that the 10th Amendment is clear. The feds have no authority to operate inside a states boundary unless that governor gives them permission to.
I'd suggest reading Wickard v. Fillburn (sp?), an old Supreme Ct. case re the 10th Amendment and then you'll realize, except for a VERY few cases, the 10th Amendment has no force whatsoever; it has been regularly rejected by the Supreme Court, and was specifically shot down in the Reich case in CA. All the Feds have to do is use the magical words "interstate commerce," and it's all over but the crying.
Unfortunately, this appears to be more than a rumor (Fed. policy regarding firearms and mmj patients): Gun, medical pot groups blast ATF policy
Freaking ridiculous!
Scared
Here's the beginning of the article:
HELENA â?? A gun group and medical marijuana advocates expressed outrage Tuesday over a new federal policy clarifying that it is illegal for medical marijuana cardholders to buy firearms and ammunition and for dealers to sell these products to them.
Gary Marbut, president of the Montana Shooting Sports Association, and Kate Cholewa and Chris Lindsey, board members of Montana Cannabis Industry Association, separately blasted the Sept. 21 letter sent by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives of the U.S. Justice Department to federally licensed firearms dealers.
Read more: Gun, medical pot groups blast ATF policy
Scared
Another step toward disarming American citizens......
just tell them your in a Mexican drug cartel and the ATF will set you up with AR's for free. :wtf: sad but predictable. yet another reason to vote for full legal in 2012. get rid of the mmj databases and lists. even if they are "protected by privacy rights" at this time. :twocents:
See attached.
Scared
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA..... I almost cried from laughing so hard....Quote:
Originally Posted by boaz
This newest Federal approach attempting to further control the Cannabis culture is a great sign of their insecurity.... They are scared shitless right now knowing that this country is going to soon be filled with "free-thinkers"....instead of the usual booze drinking loyal consumer....
I read an article a bit back that stated that people who drink alcohol are more likely to be loyal to their employers and brands (brands as in favorite sport teams, fast food, clothing, i.e. brand consumables).... And people who smoked Cannabis were more likely to question policies, procedures and things in general.... Not question as in confrontational but question as to how can things be improved.... Our government knows this and has been suppressing freedom of thought and expression for decades.... And now they are coming after our guns.... Guess it's a good thing my uncle is good homies with the local sherriffs dept....
Cause it's not what you know, but who you know....
CGI::::::
Well said your a 100% correctQuote:
Originally Posted by patient4200
The tyranny continues to grow. People just need to continue to band together and protest till the nazis start busting heads.
Feds Keep Fooling Around With Medical Marijuana: Full Cannabis Legalization or Bust!
It's getting ugly and NORML needs your help now more than ever to stand up for the rights of responsible adult cannabis consumers. The Administration that promised to base drug policy on science and respect state marijuana laws is ignoring medical facts, the needs of patients, and the economic benefits that regulated dispensaries bring to medical cannabis-friendly states.
There is no way to sugar coat the terrible past two weeks we've had at the hands of Prohibition-loving federal and state governments.
Yesterday, the four U.S. Attorneys from California--along with their respective counterparts here in Washington D.C. from the DEA and IRS--declared that a statewide crackdown against large-scale medical cannabis cultivators and sellers with national implications is currently underway.
Question: Will U.S. Attorneys in the other fifteen states and D.C. with medical cannabis laws pursue similarly aggressive enforcement?
But wait! There's more. Much more.
Earlier this week, the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) issued a long-awaited $2.5 million ruling against a major medical cannabis dispensary in California. Citing an obscure part of the US tax code meant to target drug cartels, the federal agency is barring dispensaries, even those licensed under state law, from taking any business-related tax deductions and is seeking millions in dollars in back taxes.
This adverse ruling has the very real potential to stop the regulated sale of cannabis currently underway in California, Colorado, Maine and New Mexico; and planned in Arizona, Montana, Delaware, New Jersey, and Washington, D.C
The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) issued a heavy-handed one-page memo to every gun and ammunition dealer nationwide informing them that they must, by law, deny sales to lawful patients who possess a physician's recommendation to use medical cannabis--many of whom posses state-issues medical cannabis ID cards--effectively denying their Second Amendment rights to have a gun to hunt or for personal safety.
Federal regulators cracked down on banks in Colorado, California and Michigan that had previously conduct business with medical cannabis dispensaries, forbidding these financial institutions from allowing cash deposits or processing credit/debit cards from state or locally approved canna-businesses.
U.S. Attorneys in California sent warnings to local dispensaries in San Francisco, San Diego, and elsewhere warning that locally compliant facilities still may be subject to federal prosecution for violating federal 'drug free school zones' legislation -- leaving these facilities with no choice but to either move or close.
Also, federal attorneys in California have sent hundreds of legal warnings to the landlords of properties that rent to medical cannabis businesses (retail, delivery, cultivation and testing) warning that their properties and assets are subject to swift civil forfeiture proceedings, and that they themselves may be subject to decades in prison. Is it likely that federal attorneys do the same in Colorado, New Mexico and Maine; and to the numerous gray area dispensaries in Oregon and Washington?
Rhode Island's governor Lincoln Chafee pulled the plug on the state's nascent medical cannabis dispensary program, despite it having been previously approved 102 - 3 by the state legislature. Why? Governor Chafee cites recent memos from the Department of Justice threatening to federally prosecute employees involved in the state-licensed production or distribution of cannabis.
Michigan courts, the legislature and the state's Attorney General are steadily dissembling the state's medical cannabis program, despite the law having passed with 63 percent public approval
Time for us potheads to join the occupy wall street movement. Its all part of the same problem, government not doing its job or doing things that are unconstitutional. We've been fighting this tyranical government for a lot longer than the rest of these movements and we should involve ourselves with it.