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hello i am new to this site my question is i planted a ak-48 and super skunk feminised seeds in 3 gallon pots each and have been growing since monday and so far they are only 2 and a half inches tall and only have two round leaves and two seerated leaves on them my question is why are they growing so damn slow i swear plants in the past have grown fast does this sound normal for my plants i still havent even raised my lights up which i have 4 cfls on them
The reason they are growing so slow is cause they are 2 1/2 in tall in a 3 gal pot. They are concentrating more on the roots than they are on whats above the soil. Once they establish their root system you will start seeing more growth:thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by B-LO
i germinated my seeds then stuck them in 3 gallon pots run my lights 18/6 and the two round and two serated leaves are only like 1/2 in long after 6 days this is my first time planting feminised seeds and my first time putting them straight from germination to the 3 gallon pots so do you think they will start to speen up ? i am worried that i messed up? i have a 250 MH i want to put on them are they to small for that right now? PLEASE HELP
BLO, be patient and you will get more expert response's as you give more information. I am sure you will be asked about soil mix, etc. However, I have read threads in here, in the past about using too big of a pot to start your pot in and you can check them out, while waiting for your specific problem. In fact, you can check out some AK-47 X SS (I think) written by Shovelhandle and others. Good luck with your grow and stick around for some expert advise! PR
pushit, do you really think that's what's happening? You really think that the plant is focused on growing its root mass because it is in a 3 gallon pot and this is what's causing it to grow slowly?
The reason why people use small amounts of soil for small plants is because it's a waste of money to use more than what's necessary to get a plant started. You make it sound like the plant actually knows it's in a big pot and therefore is thinking to itself "Hey Self, you better focus on a larger root mass because you've been given so much soil."
This kind of advice is right in there with things people use to mention in online forums, like the birth control pill which you were suppose to steal from your girlfriend or sister, crush it, then sprinkle it on your plant. The idea was that since the pill is female hormone, this stuff would make your plants female. Nothing could be further from the truth. I'm sorry to come across like an ass, but this kind of stuff just kills me!
B-LO, your plants are fine. They've only been growing for week. They could probably use a very small dose of fert with water. Make sure you get a good quality fert. Something that has all the nutes that plants need. Read the back of the labels.
i dont know what to do i have grown two plants in the past that turned male but they were regular seeds. they gre really fast seemed liked i raised the light everyday. this is the first time i have planted femenised seeds and the first time i went from germination to a 3 gallon pot i dont think they need fert yet the soil should have enough in it for the first month or so i dont know what the problem is just measued them they are 2 1/2 inches tall and from one serated leaf to the other is only a inch they have been growing exactly 7 days today 9-11-11 if i remember from my last plant it had the leaf with three serated leaves on it by end of one week it seems like in a 24 hr period my damn plant only grows a sixtenth of an inch which aint shit can someone please help me tell me what i did wrong and what to do please and did putting straightg into such a big pot screw my plants up ? should i start over? i just now put my 250 MH on them a hour ago is that to much never used one of those before either?
FIRST: Chill friggin out!
SECOND: Those plants are fine considering you are killing with kindness. Though not at this point, females are less stretchy than males.
THIRD: The plants would do much better in smaller pots at this point, keeps the moisture level more consistent throughout the potting mix.
FOURTH: A humidity dome would help a bunch, ..... hence will need smaller pot.
FIFTH: Chill friggin out!
Step-back from the plant, and let the little darling do her thing. If you don't develop some patience, you'll kill your plants with overcare. (and give yourself a coronary in the process) But next time, grow them in appropriate pots. A 3 gallon pot is waaaaay too big for seedlings.
A general rule of thumb for seedlings, clones and young plants: if the leaves overgrow the edge of the rim, time to start thinking transplant. Transplanting is much less stressful to the plants than the abuse they see in oversize pots.
No nutrients till they're showing their 4th or 5th internode. Only then do you start with half-doses of nutrients.
Acclimate the seedlings to the MH light. (raise the lights so you don't over-do the heat and light) Slowly (one day at a time) lower the lights to recommended distance after a couple of days.
my heat is around 78 degrees with the MH on .. my dirt is still moist from a week ago i have that mirical grow moisture control soil it has coir pith in it that holds water really good. i had a humidity dome the first three days they were growing you think i should stick it back on ? and do you think running my mh FROM HERE on out will be fine if my temp is good? the light is 2 feet 4 inches from tops of plant ? i appreciate all the help it just drives me nuts because i have never seen such a slow growing plant in my life.........i could probably plant another one in a small pot and stilll out grow theys ones faster....you also dont think it could just be weak plants kinda like the runt out of the seeds
Yes thats exactly what i believe. Im just going by what ive noticed in my grows. I have started some in bigger pots and some in smaller. With my grows it was a noticeable difference in the initial growth. Same everything except for the pots. A strange reoccurring coincidence maybe. But until i see something in person that makes me think differently I will keep spouting this. Im not trying to debate anything just stating my opinion on what ive seen personally.Quote:
Originally Posted by polishpollack
I agree with pushit. The plant knows its in a bigger pot because it roots can continue to grow down. Your advise pollack is whack. Cmon, nutes to a seedling? Espcially seeing that it is in such a big pot. Wow
so tell me exactly what i should do ? just leave them alone and watch them grow a 1/16 of a inch a day that rate it will take a full year just to grow it.
and another thing my leaves are pointing up torwards the light is that ok and so what everyone is saying once the "ROOTS" take hold then the foilage will cut loose and grow like it should? Again Thank You Everyone for the help
Mate you need to down size pot , 3 gallon is hench , go get a 3ltr pot for now , and i would'nt bother wih that m/grow either , you say it holds the water well !! you dnt want that at all , if ya gonna continue useing m/grow go get some perlite and add it to ya mix , .... and be PATIENT!! She's a baby ! oh and try geting tome take root or rizatonic that will help her out
Like i said you will be fine. You can leave it just the way it is and in a week or so youll be seeing some growth. The main reason the soil is staying moist so long is the seedling's root mass has not grown big enough to uptake all the water in the 3gal. It will catch up just be patient. In a week or two you will see a big difference and it will start growing fast given your grow room is properly set up.Quote:
Originally Posted by B-LO
Its all about patience. in the meantime do alot of reading on here. But just cause you read something different than what youre already doing.......pause, research everything before you make any major changes. Theres a bunch of different ways to grow a plant. You will be fine. If you have any pics it would be helpful.
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Yea they will be fine. Just pay extra attention to your watering. For the first week or so you might do good by just adding a cup or two of water just around the seedling. Let it progress a little before you water the whole pot. This is of course after you let it dry out from your last watering.Quote:
Originally Posted by B-LO
What type of bulb is that on the floor by the plants? Might save you a little on electricity and mh bulb life if you use it instead of the mh til the little ones get a little bigger. Just my 2 cents
its a t12 grow bulb i have two of them and one 24watt cfl you think that will be fine instead of the MH for right now ? and do you think my set up looks ok and how do my plants look? pretty damn small for a week worth of growth and 18/6 light schedual so dont transplant them into smaller pots? how many plants have you had exp with if u dont mind me asking/
Yes i would use the T12 til they get a little bigger. You just need to keep it close. I personally think with you being new, transplanting into smaller pots will stress them out pretty bad. Seedlings are real fragile at that age. Its all your call though. Ive seen seedlings started off in 5gal containers. I dont recommend it but ive seen it done with great results.Quote:
Originally Posted by B-LO
Ive been growing a little over a year. I have a little grow log in my sig if you wanna check it out. As for how many plants i have grown? I honestly couldnt tell you but ive seen a couple haha.
To a plant so small, I don't think they know the difference between a three gallon and a one gallon or smaller container. Having freedom to continue growing roots doesn't mean that the upper part will grow slow. To think the plant knows the difference is pretty funny. If anything it's all about chemistry, not plant intuition. If anything, growing in smaller containers puts limits on how much of the upper part will grow and this is why we transplant into bigger containers. You might consider putting a plastic barrier between the pots and the carpet, to avoid staining the carpet. And remember that electricity and water don't mix so be careful with those power cords and water. Just give them time and they will be fine.
yeah i have containers under my pots to catch any extra water. I tied all my extra cords away and now just switched um back to the cfl and the t12. they will wake up at 11:30pm mst tonight they sleeping right now. this isnt my first plant i have grown a few seeds in the past that turned to males they grew fine and fast but i didnt have them in 3 gallons i had them in one gallons. i have yet to grow a female so i finally broke down and ordered some femenised seeds offfline. so like i said could be pots could be seeds like the runts of the litter maybe they wont be super females i hope though really want a female for once...:stoned:
Whoa, advice is all over the place.. Stick with Pushit and Rusty.
From seed, In one 16oz cup, nuteless soil: Between 2-3weeks:
-I usually get to about 6-7 nodes on a SINGLE 1/2str N feed. and just plain water for all other waterings.
--I dont feed again till after the transplant.
But like said before, they'll be fine in the bigger pots.
another thing i wonder is if i go to the store and get this water that has first goes through a advanced carbon filter then micro filter then first ultraviolet light and then reveres osmosis then another carbon filter and a second ultraviolet light would this be ok or am i fine just using my tap water and then letting it stand 24 hours to rid chlorine and get to room temp?
I prefer tap water myself. Phd at 6.5ish. Room temp. Its has micronutes and its cheap.:thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by B-LO
I use tapwater as well.
*if you have a water-softener(you would know), get from outside faucet.
well its 4:40am mst here in utah and just checked the girls, they still dont looked liked they budged this is driving me nuts i never had plants grow so damn slow in my life ,maybe they sent me some bunk seeds ............its a weed it should be growing like a weed been a week today since planted them still havent had to raise the lights yet and i am just barely seeing the second set of serated leaves coming in i literally have to take a picture with my phone to look at the picture the day before to see if i can see anything differant :mad:
Looking at your pix...I would take a fork and gently scoop under the rootball...and carefully transplant into a smaller (1 cup...?) prepared container. The larger the pot, the longer it will retain water, (especially if in moisture control formula's) which makes it virtually impossible for a newbie to gauge when to water and how much. Cannabis prefers a wet-dry cycle. Keeping the soil wet is bad for the roots and will eventually cause issues. Do yourself (and your plant) a favor and follow direction. Were there any acceptable options, we would have offered 'em to ya already.
Doubtful the problem is with the seeds. More than likely it's your "helicopter dad" approiach. (hovering and babying the babies to death) Keep in mind that in plant biology, virtually nothing good happens overnight. Patience.
Are you talking about getting your water from a kiosk? Unless you get it right after brand new filters installed...all you're buying is tap water run through potentially clogged/ineffective filters. A waste of time, effort and money. I recommend tap water unless you've killed plants with it already. But ph issues aside, usually if it's ok to drink, it should be good enough for the ladies.
thanks rusty i will try to move one into a smaller pot and see what happens i appreciate your help very much ....... if i leave one in the pot do you think eventually it will grow like it should ? i bought theys seeds online dont want to waste them they were expensive and where they are feminised seeds will transplanting them turn them male?
just transfered one of them into a smaller pot and it looks like it doesnt have hardly any roots to it i cant even see roots what the hell is going on what should i do please help my plant still green i know it should be bigger and have roots will reply at lunch going to work now
just transvered my second into a smaller pot and like i said in the previous post they dont have shit for roots is this bad or because i had in such large containers and when i transvered them will my female seeds turn male ? and ALSO is it ok for the plants leafs to reach up torwards the light? i have a cfl on them and a fan to help keep them cool is this ok?
so no more help from anyone anymore?
You are one very impatient person. I suggest you go get some mental health assistance before you do yourself harm such as an ulcer or heart attack or stroke. Dude find a chill pill.
Cálmate!
From seed is hectic if you havnt done before. There can be a good week-2weeks of 'stalled growth'.
-When the seed pops, it grows a single taproot that will first grow straight down until it hits the bottom of the pot, then start throwin side shoots. This is why a smaller cup is beneficial.
Leave em be, and let em dry out before watering. They gotta work for food if you want em to grow.
I've transplanted more seedlings like that than most have grown seedlings. It's less damaging to the plant than you'd think, but don't be overly aggressive when digging 'em out. Nice-n-gentle.
Some folks only visit the site once a day to offer insight and chat. But I'm with WW on this one. Would be nice to see ya relax a tad. Freaking-out will not make you learn faster. As a newbie, perhaps it would be best if you waited to freak out, till AFTER one of us tells you it's time to freak, lol. You're killing any positive energy you might have...
Heat is likely the the reason your leaves 'reach for the lights'. But I have grown under extreme heat conditions for the past decade almost, and can say from experience...as long as the bulb isn't burning the leaves, the 'reaching for the light' is virtually a non-issue. (within limits, of course) I wait to turn-on my A/C till it's 90 degrees (ambient) inside. They adapt quickly and it mellow's out. But keep the bulbs off of the plants.
Once a male, always a male. Once a female, always a female. They don't 'convert'. You can stress 'em into hermaphrodism, or they may have weak genetics to begin with...but seedlings are not afflicted with hermaphrodism. If stressed too much, seedlings will die long before you even get a chance to tell what sex they are. (were)
Also, before I forget...
Growing cannabis you'll ear lots of advise from all sorts of people. DO NOT just jump into doing something because you read it, and beware of marketing hype. I've seen folks get all hot to trot trying something new, and end-up ruining their crop. If someone tells you to do something, or a company says their snake oil is the bomb...Google it to see what other's think.
Well, so much for pushit's large rootmass theory. Could be just failure to thrive, bad genes or bad soil. Hard to say.
"helicopter dad" - hysterical, constant flyby.
Is it ok to have a little fan on my girls while they are still seedlings? I don't have it teal close and it is only like a six inch fan or will it hurt or stunt them? Also so since theys were feminised they will still bud even if I stressed them out? There still growing slow starting to get three leaf sweated node now and when should I turn my metal halide 250 watt on them? Again I appreciate all the help haven to me
That small of a fan shouldn't do any damage. I keep my seedlings and small clones below the full-force (lowest setting though) of the oscillating fan, but the fan remains on while lights are on. In flower I don't EVER turn the fans off unless it's to take a picture.
I have two grow rooms right now. An indoor "growth" room (400w HPS) and an outdoor flowering shed. (1000w HPS) As long as the seedlings aren't overheated and as long as the soil doesn't dry too quickly, they should be fine under your 250 MH. Keep a close eye on 'em (no problemn there, I'm sure, lol) for the first couple days so you know what you're dealing with. If normal light distance is 9" from tops, raise it to about 18 inches and watch the seedlings' reaction. Slowly lower it over a week or so till you get the light to a "normal" distance. To determine "normal" distance...Stretch-out your hand, place it palm down, just above the tops of the plants, below the warmed-up light. If your hand can tollerate about a minute without getting pretty hot, your acclimated seedlings should do fine. (don't touch the bulb)
You can also do fine with CFL's, but I much prefer HID's for lumens and penetration.
so its ok to turn on my HID and i Have a HPS bulb to what should i use to grow theys ? the HPS or MH? and how far should i start the light from tops of plants and what temp is to hot in my 5 ft by 7 ft grow closet?
Air movement is very, very important at all growth stages.
Plant growth stops at 80 degrees ROOT temperature. The plant itself can handle well over 100 if roots are cool.
You do not mention the wattage of the bulbs. At this time it should be the MH bulb. It should be close enough to warm the back of your hand, but not so close as to be uncomfortable at your hand. The leaves reaching for the light is a good sign by the way.
Both of my HPS and MH bulbs are 250 watts im sure that should be plenty for two to three plants........I have my plants and little planters right now approx 6 to 7 inches in diameter and about the same deep . I just didnt know how close i should put them to the light? I pretty much knew to use the MH for veg stage but have heard people say they used a HPS through there whole growth of there plants> Again I appreciate all the help
Seems that way. Cant win them all:DQuote:
Originally Posted by polishpollack