My first experimental grow log.

I have one 3860 lumen output fluorescent bulb. One 20 ounce cup. And two seeds growing in the same cup. I germed the seeds three days ago, and one of them already is showing it's cotyledons. I started this grow 7-9-11.
I have a space of 1.5Feet(Length) X 2.75Feet(Height) X 7Inches(Width).
Don't tell me this is really small, because I know it is. I'm trying to make a quick and short grow that will yield.
The grow box is made of Cardboard, and later I will put smooth tin foil around all inside(without wrinkles ;))

I will constantly upload pictures as it grows.
Tell me whatcha know and think, yo.:pimp:

Light cycle is 18/6. both are growing in miracle grow.
I water whenever the soil gets a bit crusty.
Theses are bag seeds by the way. Not sure what I'm gonna get.

Updates:

I can count at least 4 things wrong already but you probably already know them. Have you thought about running 12/12 from the start? Couldn't hurt.

1. Yeah ima start 12/12 in a day.
2. The Solo cups are transparent and roots need darkness.
3. Tin foil can concentrate light and possibly burn holes in the leaves.
4. oh, and the two seedlings are very close. I'm not sure what they are, but if one is Indica, then I will treat that better.

Do you see anything else wrong?
Any advice is greatly appreciated.

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Originally Posted by nicknorwood

1. Yeah ima start 12/12 in a day.
2. The Solo cups are transparent and roots need darkness.
3. Tin foil can concentrate light and possibly burn holes in the leaves.
4. oh, and the two seedlings are very close. I'm not sure what they are, but if one is Indica, then I will treat that better.

Do you see anything else wrong?
Any advice is greatly appreciated.

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Just out of curiosity, if you know its wrong why not correct it? Experimenting? Im not dogging on you.... To each their own....Just asking.

Yeah I love questions. No harm done man.

All of these things I listed above are easily fixable.
1. I'm going to change the light cycle.
2. I'm going to transplant my favored plant into a dark container. the roots this early on wont reach the sides of the cup, therefore are in darkness.
3. There will be no more tin foil in my new area, when these plants grow out.
4. Answered by #2

Sorry, I guess I needed some clarification.

Once again constructive criticism is greatly appreciated.

Day five
12/12 cycle officially started. 12 hours in.
Added black duct-tape around the 20oz. Solo cup.

Pics of 7-14-2011:

Why no put one in a different cup. This way if ya get a male you can just pitch it and grow out the girl?

Just a thought.

LSY

Actually I did do that yesterday. Ill post pics later.

Some updates on day 6.
12/12 cycle from seed all the way to flower is my goal.
Pics also show what im watering with.

Also im using a 2700K bulb. Is that a good part of the spectrum?

Killed off the one in the yellow cup.. :wtf:

continuing my 12/12 as always.

as you can see the forth node is appearing.

and third pic shows my humidity dome.

lol i remember when i was 15

Yeah hahaha fuck off asshole. You don't know anything about me.

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Originally Posted by nicknorwood

Yeah hahaha fuck off asshole. You don't know anything about me.

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Dont worry about comments that really mean nothing nick. You gotta have thick skin in here, cuz people will scrutinize most anything. Ignore those comments or your just going to get in a pissing match, which the winner gets banned and you dont want that. And i was told this when i started hanging out in here by a experienced grower so just let it roll of your back bro.

I am glad to see the seedlings are running in their own home. This will give ya more room for roots and maybe a lil more bud. Not much, but running in a cup, ya cant expect much.

Think about the fert thing bro i posted above. If you look at my grow in my Sig, the indoor grow, you will find i used no ferts, because it was my first indoor and used 3 month feeding soil. I just saw how many people burned up their grows by adding ferts to soil with ferts already in it. After it starts to get bigger you can use molasses once a week or so to give ya some some good micro nutes the plant will like.




LSY

Ok here is a piece of info i saved from some other site that i thought might be useful. Now i did not write this and nor do i use it, but iv grown more outside. So iv been using it as i see the plant needs it. This really isnt a good idea for you and maybe me too, but i wanted to see what the E&J could do for me. I now grow inside a bit more so im trying to get the stuff to really work well for me and so far so good.

But by reading this might give you some insight into the E&J and know what is in it and how it can help your grows. But again, i take no credit for writing this and feel bad i cant quote the author who wrote it, but its been a long time ago that i found it. But i will look and if i do find them, i will make sure they are posted here as the creator of this information.

I hope it helps you. If anything it gives a great description of the line.

Good luck,


LSY



EARTH JUICE GROW 2-1-1
bat guano
kelp
sulfate of potash
feather meal
oat bran
blood meal
steamed bone meal
this is the â??jack of all tradesâ?� among the Earth Juice products . . . useful throughout all of vegging and the first couple weeks of vegging . . . Depending on a plantâ??s growth stage and we use the EJ Grow at concentrations of anywhere from 1 TBSP to 2 TBSP per gallon (and we have pushed it to 3 to 4 TBSP without harm for very heavy feeders)

EARTH JUICE BLOOM 0-3-1
bat guano
seabird guano
kelp
sulfate of potash
steamed bone meal
oat bran
rock phosphate
we love our Earth Juice Bloom as a flowering fertilizer and. . . because this product has no Nitrogen itâ??s especially useful for late stage flowering when itâ??s desirable to let a plant use up the soilâ??s nitrogen reserves . . . and for an added boost of Phosphorous at those times when plantâ??s need an extra boost of P . . . we normally use EJ Bloom at rates between ½ and 2 TBSP per gallon . . .

EARTH JUICE CATALYST
oat bran
kelp
wheat malt
molasses
yeast
For some odd reason, the Canadian Government requires this product to be labeled as â??Xatalystâ?� . . . but whatever itâ??s called where you live . . . if youâ??ve looked over the â??Molasses Manualâ?� by the 3LB you may already know the biggest â??secretâ?� to this product . . . the sweet sticky goodness of molasses . . . as weâ??ve said elsewhere molasses feeds microbes and acts as a chelating agent to make micronutrients more available to plants . . . those extra organic goodies in Catalyst like wheat malt and oat bran are just â??icing on the cakeâ?� . . .

Earth Juice ****-K 0-0-10
sulfate of potash
Pretty simple product with apparently only a single active ingredient . . . it does have a good measure of Sulfur . . . and itâ??s very useful to give an extra boost of Potassium when necessary . . . Many organic fertilizers run a little â??leanâ?� on K - especially guano based products . . . and EJ ****-K gives us a way to add that needed Potassium in controlled amounts as needed . . .

Earth Juice Microblast
kelp meal
magnesium sulfate
borax
cobalt sulfate
ferrous sulfate
manganese sulfate
sodium molybdate
zinc sulfate
The Microblast tests out to the following percentages . . . Magnesium (Mg) .05%, Boron (B) .02%, Cobalt (Co) .0005%, Iron (Fe) .10%, Manganese (Mn) .05%, Molybdenum (Mo) .0005%, Zinc (Zn) .05% . . . in our experience itâ??s a great all around micronutrient supplement that resolves almost every potential micronutrient issue likely to arise . . .

There's your "Earth Juice All Stars" lineup . . .

It's not "soup" yet . . . but in our next post we'll give the recipes to feed your plant's a gourmet diet . . .

Earth Juice Recipes Growth Recipes

We get many PMâ??s and email requests for our Earth Juice recipes . . . many folks - it seems - would love for us to just spell out the specific nutrient mixes and quantities we use with every feeding . . . . if only life were so simple!

What and how much we use vary's some from strain to strain . . . Perhaps even from plant to plant . . . so itâ??s just not possible to set a schedule and ignore the plants . . . The best gardeners become â??at oneâ?� with their plants and feed them according to the plantâ??s needs . . . even anticipating their needs . . .

Our standard mix for vegging plants is usually

1 to 2 TBSP Grow
1 tsp Bloom
1 tsp Catalyst (called Xatalyst in Canada for some odd reason)
(all ingredients are added to a gallon of water . . . )

There are times where we might increase the Bloom portion up to as much as a tablespoon . . . Especially for plants in the early stages of flowering . . . and we can go as high as 3 or even 4 TBSP of Grow for really N hungry plants - but if we increase the Grow fert above 2 TBSP per gallon we usually leave out Bloom & Catalyst )

We also use what we call our "microblast mix" once or twice during the normal life-cycle of vegging plants . . . no big difference between this and the prior mix except this one has an extra boost of **** K and Microblast . . .

1-2 TBSP Grow
1 tsp Bloom
1 tsp Catalyst
1 tsp ****-K
1 tsp Microblast

As folks may have observed in our â??Growing LUI with the 3LBâ?� thread . . . we also commonly use some kinds of fish fertilizers and kelp concentrates during a plantâ??s early growth stages . . . we like the combination of enzymes and proteins and hormones the fish and kelp provide together . . . but itâ??s common for some fish products to be high in heavy metal contaminants like Mercury . . . so the â??seafood platterâ?� is a treat we feed our babes and the Earth Juice is their regular diet . . .

Flowering Recipes

Early stage flowering plants can often use a fair measure of nitrogen as they stretch . . . so a normal Earth Juice mix in early flowering will look pretty similar to a Grow mix . . . we like to use something along the lines of the following for the first couple weeks of flowering . . .

1 TBSP EJ Grow
1 TBSP EJ Bloom
1 tsp Catalyst (yeah we know - itâ??s Xatalyst north of a line from Seattle - Duluth - Niagra!)

As flowering progresses we forego the Nitrogen to let our plants use N reserves from the soil as they finish flowering . . . so mixing an Earth Juice Bloom formula can be as easy as . . .

1 TBSP EJ Bloom
1 tsp EJ Catalyst

For really hungry darlings weâ??ll go as high as 2 TBSP per gallon with the EJ Bloom . . . but pouring it on that heavy can burn light feeders . . . and even with heavy feeders itâ??s better to build up to stronger concentrations of EJ Bloom over time than to just start in at 2 TBSP per gallon right away as plants begin to flower. . .

....and we also have a bloom "micro-mix" that includes Meta-K and Microblast . . . it's used once in a blooming plant's life (or maybe twice in plantâ??s with a long flowering) . . . Like the growth â??microblast mixâ?� it gives an extra boost of Potassium and assorted micronutrients to make sure the plants will want for nothing!
The flowering micro-mix usually goes like this . . .

1 TBSP Bloom
1 tsp Catalyst
1 tsp ****-K
1 tsp Microblast

That's about all there is to making an awsome plant-enriching organic brew with Earth Juice . . . it's really that simple . . .

Earth Juice Notes

In theory thereâ??s no need to â??flushâ?� organic soil grown herbs before harvest . . . and because organic fertilizers are not salt based like chemical fertilizers . . . traditional techniques for â??flushingâ?� wouldnâ??t carry away nutrient salts in the traditional meaning of the word â??flushâ?� anyway . . .

That creates a danger with organic fertilizers that doesnâ??t exist with salt based chemical fertilizers . . . with salt fertilizers over-fertilizing can be pretty severe . .. But it will show up fairly quickly . . . and the solution (a good flushing) can be enacted pretty quickly too . . .

Itâ??s probably harder for a grower to over-fertilize using organic fertilizers . . . but if they do thereâ??s no quick solution . . . organic fertilizers usually canâ??t be flushed away like salt fertilizerâ??s can . . . so if a grower over-fertilizes they will likely have to live with the consequences for a longer term . . .

And when it comes to harvest time . . . we do go ahead and put our organic herbs on a â??crashâ?� diet . . . in the past itâ??s just been pure water for the last two weeks . . . But lately weâ??ve been experimenting with using Fulvic Acid with the watering during the second week before harvest . . . and then plain water the final week . . . this technique really seems to bring out the fullest potential of our babes . . . but the wonders of Humic Acid and Fulvic Acid are deserving of their own thread . . .

And finally . . . before we finish our initial discussion of Earth Juice Fertilizers . . . we need to touch on the practice of premixing and bubbling Earth Juice fertilizers . . . we get a lot of questions on this topic in private so may as well discuss it here and avoid having to type the same information time and time again . . .

This is the most common question we hear . . .
â??Is it absolutely necessary to pre-mix and bubble / aerate Earth Juice fertilizers before use ? ? ?â??
Our simple answer is no itâ??s not necessary at all . . . but Earth Juice will be more efficiently and effectively used if â??brewedâ?� for 24-48 hours before use . . . in organic farming the old adage is â??feed the soil not the plantâ?� . . . and making your Earth Juice fert mix into an aerated tea maximizes the benefits it can provide for your plants . . . but they will work fine if used without any premixing or bubbling . . .
we would also like to add that if you do not care to go to the bother of premixing and aerating your Earth Juice . . . that you use the fertilizers in smaller / lighter proportions . . .

We also hear this question a lot . . .
â??What about the low pH of those Earth Juice fertilizers? - Will that low pH harm my plants?â?�
And our simple answer is that thereâ??s likely little concern about that issue unless your growing medium is already abnormally acidic . . . but we can also say that the pre-mixing and bubbling/aerating we talked about in the prior question will moderate the pH to an extent . . . and that can allow heavier feedings overall . . .

Our experience with Earth Juice in everything from 3 gallon pots to 30 gallon beds indoors is that a good soil mix with a healthy microbe population will moderate itâ??s own pH to an extent . . . and the calcite and dolomite lime use commonly in soil mixes will do some of the work as well . . . so weâ??ve never had any actual problems with pH in our Earth Juice experience . . .

And finally we also get asked . . .
â??Can I get by with just Bloom and Grow and not have to go to the expense of the other products?â?�
And the simple answer is yes of course you can. Catalyst is a molasses based product so the substitution of cheap and easily available Blackstrap molasses will be almost as good as the real thing. . . And although we prefer to use Microblast and ****-K a few times during a plantâ??s life . . . weâ??ve certainly had great grows without them . . .
Not having those extra ingredients available will make your life much more difficult if something does go wrong . . . having a sufficient source of Potassium is a major factor in a plantâ??s ability to withstand the heat stresses inherent in many grow rooms . . . and micronutrient deficiencies can be hard to diagnose and treat without a â??full rangeâ?� micronutrient fertilizer like Microblast . . . Maxicrop kelp concentrate is the only other substitute we know of thatâ??s as effective at treating a shortage of potassium and trace minerals . . . and many growers prefer to avoid using kelp products during the later stages of flowering . . .


Why no MaxiCrop during the end of bloom ?

Not everyone agrees on this topic . . . but kelp and kelp concentrates contain growth hormones that might interfere with or prolong a plant's natural flowering cycle . . .

Someone even polled that question here recently . . . and there really was no general agreement . . . our opinion is that the plant growth hormones in kelp and kelp concentrates might encourage a bit extra stretch . . . and perhaps prolong flowering slightly . . .

We can't point to any specific studies that back up our observation . . . it's simply something where we prefer to err on the side of caution . . . so we try to avoid giving any "mixed messages" to our plants in the advanced stages of flowering . . .

Thanks for the helpful info man.

I have some updates here:
check out the blue (?) on one of my pictures.
Should I worry about that?

Looks like some critter eating your leaves. Like a bug or warm, but im not real sure as i would need to blow up the pic. You might look at it under the leaves and yes i would take care of this asap.

Doesnt look like burn, but how far is your light from the plant.





LSY

i know this is an old thread, but im wondering how this grow turned out?