Spring crop finished, disappointed. rant
My spring harvest is curing right now, can't say I'm too thrilled with the results, better then nothing but not sure it's worth my troubles.
6 plants started from clones back in late Oct/Nov, I put them in 16 oz cups while I was waiting for my fall crop to finish and in no real hurry with them so I just kept them under what I thought was enough light to keep them from flowering but about a month later they started to show hairs so I got them under brighter lights at night and it took about a month to pull out of the budding cycle which kind of set me back about a month.
After I got them transplanted and going along I had two runts right out of the gates that just took a very long time to grow out, one suffered from root rot and I was only able to save half of it but it probably wasn't worth the waste of space and time to have kept around with hindsight being 20/20, it may have yeilded a 1/4 oz.
Another plant had a strange growing pattern, very long gaps between nodes resulting in long but not a lot of branching, the cola bud developed OK but I could tell it wasn't going to be very big because the next nodes were so far down the stem. It produced decent nuggets on the ends of the branches and some smaller nuggets further down the branches but for the size of the plant the flowering was minimal, I did not clone this plant.
I had another nice looking plant until about a month into flowering it developed either a nute deficiency or lockout, I didn't want to foliar feed it too much which seemed to help but I just couldn't solve the problem before it was a little too late into flowering, It developed nice bud clusters near the top but the bottom branches were very loose buds.
I had two decent finished products but I'm not all that impressed with the final buds, they never got very tight and the yeild is about a 20 oz jar of smokable flowers from each of the four non runts, the runts probably produced half of that combined.
My biggest complaint is the buds are so loose and not compact at all, I finished four of them outside the final 4-5 weeks and kept two inside and finished them in a room with pretty good sunlight all day supplimented with 2 90 W LED's and 4-40x40w flourescent shop lights. I let them go 75-77 days and the trich's were about half milky white and half amber.
I cloned the two healthiest of these and will be giving them a try outside this summer and I'm trying to re-veg their parent plants by leaving them outside with enough vegitation they shouldn't have a problem.
I think my problem is not enough light even though I finished four of them outside, possibly if they had been outside the entire 11 weeks they would have been better but the weather we've had here would have been a problem the first month or so and would have been too cold as well at night for my comfort. My plan was to finish all of them outside but with the one having a problem I was afraid if it went into shock it would have killed it off and the other just wouldn't take to being put outside, it's parent plant died within 4 hours of being put outside last year and I even tried to put this one under shade with short bursts of natural light but it would wilt almost as fast as I moved it.
My total yeild should be about 4-5 loose packed pear jars of bud. They sure seemed a lot tighter on the plant but once the water started to evaporate they loosened up, if that makes any sense. I flushed them every day for about a week then no water the last few days. The smoke is smooth and gives a good buzz so I shouldn't complain I guess but I was really hoping it would be better.
I have seedlings in 32 oz cups 2+ ft tall and I'm trying to figure out how I;m going to keep them below the top of the fence because their stems are already as big as any of the plants I finished. I'm going to just let everything grow outside, I think it's really the best for the plants and a lot easier IMO. I had a guy tell me outdoor bud is worthless, even heard people say don't try passing off that "outdoor shit" as indoor. I just don't think you can even come close to duplicating mother nature as she intended things to be.
Spring crop finished, disappointed. rant
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Originally Posted by Purple Daddy
My spring harvest is curing right now, can't say I'm too thrilled with the results, better then nothing but not sure it's worth my troubles.
6 plants started from clones back in late Oct/Nov, I put them in 16 oz cups while I was waiting for my fall crop to finish and in no real hurry with them so I just kept them under what I thought was enough light to keep them from flowering but about a month later they started to show hairs so I got them under brighter lights at night and it took about a month to pull out of the budding cycle which kind of set me back about a month.
After I got them transplanted and going along I had two runts right out of the gates that just took a very long time to grow out, one suffered from root rot and I was only able to save half of it but it probably wasn't worth the waste of space and time to have kept around with hindsight being 20/20, it may have yeilded a 1/4 oz.
Another plant had a strange growing pattern, very long gaps between nodes resulting in long but not a lot of branching, the cola bud developed OK but I could tell it wasn't going to be very big because the next nodes were so far down the stem. It produced decent nuggets on the ends of the branches and some smaller nuggets further down the branches but for the size of the plant the flowering was minimal, I did not clone this plant.
I had another nice looking plant until about a month into flowering it developed either a nute deficiency or lockout, I didn't want to foliar feed it too much which seemed to help but I just couldn't solve the problem before it was a little too late into flowering, It developed nice bud clusters near the top but the bottom branches were very loose buds.
I had two decent finished products but I'm not all that impressed with the final buds, they never got very tight and the yeild is about a 20 oz jar of smokable flowers from each of the four non runts, the runts probably produced half of that combined.
My biggest complaint is the buds are so loose and not compact at all, I finished four of them outside the final 4-5 weeks and kept two inside and finished them in a room with pretty good sunlight all day supplimented with 2 90 W LED's and 4-40x40w flourescent shop lights. I let them go 75-77 days and the trich's were about half milky white and half amber.
I cloned the two healthiest of these and will be giving them a try outside this summer and I'm trying to re-veg their parent plants by leaving them outside with enough vegitation they shouldn't have a problem.
I think my problem is not enough light even though I finished four of them outside, possibly if they had been outside the entire 11 weeks they would have been better but the weather we've had here would have been a problem the first month or so and would have been too cold as well at night for my comfort. My plan was to finish all of them outside but with the one having a problem I was afraid if it went into shock it would have killed it off and the other just wouldn't take to being put outside, it's parent plant died within 4 hours of being put outside last year and I even tried to put this one under shade with short bursts of natural light but it would wilt almost as fast as I moved it.
My total yeild should be about 4-5 loose packed pear jars of bud. They sure seemed a lot tighter on the plant but once the water started to evaporate they loosened up, if that makes any sense. I flushed them every day for about a week then no water the last few days. The smoke is smooth and gives a good buzz so I shouldn't complain I guess but I was really hoping it would be better.
I have seedlings in 32 oz cups 2+ ft tall and I'm trying to figure out how I;m going to keep them below the top of the fence because their stems are already as big as any of the plants I finished. I'm going to just let everything grow outside, I think it's really the best for the plants and a lot easier IMO. I had a guy tell me outdoor bud is worthless, even heard people say don't try passing off that "outdoor shit" as indoor. I just don't think you can even come close to duplicating mother nature as she intended things to be.
People who downtalk outdoor grown bud really dont know shit as far as Im concerned. The only thing indoors give you is control.. it doesnt give you better nutes, light, water, or anything. No indoor grower can match what a plant gets in nature.. potency/strength might be a little better indoors but thats it. As far as smell, taste, texture of the bud its no better.
Spring crop finished, disappointed. rant
People who downtalk outdoor grown bud really dont know shit as far as Im concerned.>>>
Agree 100%!
Spring crop finished, disappointed. rant
Quote:
Originally Posted by Purple Daddy
I just don't think you can even come close to duplicating mother nature as she intended things to be.
I sure do love being able to manipulate an artificial "nature":D
Quote:
Originally Posted by MDFinest
No indoor grower can match what a plant gets in nature..
Maybe not but I can sure as hell try!!!!:jointsmile:
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Spring crop finished, disappointed. rant
Final bud after curing actually turned out pretty good, yield sucked but the bud was just fine. One plant I had to make into honey oil because the buds ran too much.
Spring crop finished, disappointed. rant
Just wanted to poke my head into here fellas.
Never grown a tomato plant in my life... however, I grew up right near a farm, one that employed a Jamacian guy who came each summer to work in the field and returned home in the winter. He walked up and down the street every day to the local milk/bread store to use the pay phone and one day me and a friend were hurt up and said "hey, wheres the bud?". We drove him back to the farm and he took us to his trailer, he gave us a nice little satchel, some good laughs and stories - we asked if he grew while he was up here in the states. His response... "I do but it's a-nothing like home man. It needs the sun. The sun make it sticky, the sun give it life." Words to remember.
Spring crop finished, disappointed. rant
"It needs the sun. The sun make it sticky, the sun give it life." The fact that you can have such presice control of the nutes is what makes indoor better. With the added pest protection, a green house would be your best bet!
Spring crop finished, disappointed. rant
The fact that you can have such presice control of the nutes is what makes indoor better>>>
How so? You can't reproduce the sun.
Spring crop finished, disappointed. rant
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Originally Posted by Purple Daddy
How so? You can't reproduce the sun.
Actually...................
Let's read this quote first:
"Direct sunlight has a luminous efficacy of about 93 lumens per watt of radiant flux, which includes infrared, visible, and ultraviolet light. Bright sunlight provides illuminance of approximately 100,000 lux or lumens per square meter at the Earth's surface.".
Got this quote from ----> Sunlight
Ok so if the sun produces 100,000 lumens per square meter, at the Earths surface, one can conclude that if you can concentrate enough artificial light in a square meter, it would recreate the same amount of lumens that the sun would.... If you were to place 2 1k HPS watt lamps in a square meter, you would have 280,000 lumens available within 18" of the bulbs and would probably have 100k lumens within 4'......(forgot the formula of lumens x distance)....anyway....
Just saying that it is possible to recreate the brightness of the sun if you concentrated the light to an area....might not have the full light spectrum but will have the lumens....and no possible chance of clouds....:cool:
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Spring crop finished, disappointed. rant
"Direct sunlight has a luminous efficacy of about 93 lumens per watt of radiant flux, which includes infrared, visible, and ultraviolet light. Bright sunlight provides illuminance of approximately 100,000 lux or lumens per square meter at the Earth's surface.". >>>>>>>>>>>
IF you only want to grow one or two plants in a bedroom closet maybe but I can tell you from first hand experience moving plants outside from inside the development of the plant is very much stronger and faster. I moved seedlings in 32 oz styro cups from my inside grow room outside a few months ago(when we had a nice 10 day stretch of weather) and I was stunned by their development over that week, in just a few weeks they doubled in size and in fact were two feet tall when I transplanted them, TWO feet tall in styro cups. Within a few weeks of transplant most were already larger then the indoor crop I just harvested.
Like I said, if you're only option is to grow inside then so be it but if I had a choice I'd choose outside every time. I don't really see an advantage to feeding plants inside or outside if they are in containers, the feeding would be pretty much the same. You have an advantage over pests but that isn't difficule to manage outside unless you have a very large number of plants. Then you have to factor in your power consumption and time, I find it takes a lot more work to nurture an indoor crop, the 24 hour lighting can raise suspicion, the heat build up can be a real problem and there have been numerous house fires reported from indoor grow operations.
Spring crop finished, disappointed. rant
Quote:
Originally Posted by MDFinest
People who downtalk outdoor grown bud really dont know shit as far as Im concerned. The only thing indoors give you is control.. it doesnt give you better nutes, light, water, or anything. No indoor grower can match what a plant gets in nature.. potency/strength might be a little better indoors but thats it. As far as smell, taste, texture of the bud its no better.
i agree if your outdoor bud sucks your not doing it right...end of conversation.
Spring crop finished, disappointed. rant
Quote:
Originally Posted by Purple Daddy
"Direct sunlight has a luminous efficacy of about 93 lumens per watt of radiant flux, which includes infrared, visible, and ultraviolet light. Bright sunlight provides illuminance of approximately 100,000 lux or lumens per square meter at the Earth's surface.". >>>>>>>>>>>
IF you only want to grow one or two plants in a bedroom closet maybe but I can tell you from first hand experience moving plants outside from inside the development of the plant is very much stronger and faster. I moved seedlings in 32 oz styro cups from my inside grow room outside a few months ago(when we had a nice 10 day stretch of weather) and I was stunned by their development over that week, in just a few weeks they doubled in size and in fact were two feet tall when I transplanted them, TWO feet tall in styro cups. Within a few weeks of transplant most were already larger then the indoor crop I just harvested.
Like I said, if you're only option is to grow inside then so be it but if I had a choice I'd choose outside every time. I don't really see an advantage to feeding plants inside or outside if they are in containers, the feeding would be pretty much the same. You have an advantage over pests but that isn't difficule to manage outside unless you have a very large number of plants. Then you have to factor in your power consumption and time, I find it takes a lot more work to nurture an indoor crop, the 24 hour lighting can raise suspicion, the heat build up can be a real problem and there have been numerous house fires reported from indoor grow operations.
not to mention your root zone is virtually unlimited. soil dependent of course. if i could hide an acre outside id charge for corn maze fun. you call it maize i call it cannabis:D
