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Just curious as to why patients are so prone to walk onto a facility that not only fails to keep their identity private but somehow manages to make it seem more like a taco truck than a medical office? Any feedback or info would be greatly appreciated. It just seems to me that it's a high overhead, poor solution for patients and enduces the ever present media magnet rather than keeping it discreet.
Because they are operating illegally. NOWHERE in prop. 215 does it allow a person to set up a store front and sell "medication". BECAUSE there is no mainstream medical supply of canabis prop. 215 determined a person could, grow, posess and exchange with other patients who have a Dr. recommendation. How on earth thing have gotten to where they are is beyond me. Even though state laws allow it doesn't mean local/county ordinances haven't been put in place to regulate it. In Butte county they have made it virtually impossible to grow even with a Dr. recommendation.
Your comments about Prop 215 are true as far as they go, but AB 420 did specifically set up the dispensary system we have in California.Quote:
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You have a source for this claim? The Butte Co MMJ Guidelines have several provisions not compliant to recent California Supreme Court rulings, but those restrictions do not add up to making it "virtually impossible" to grow your own mmj.Quote:
Even though state laws allow it doesn't mean local/county ordinances haven't been put in place to regulate it. In Butte county they have made it virtually impossible to grow even with a Dr. recommendation.
I realize the legal aspect but my question is really more about the business model than any legal issues. Wouldn't you as a patient rather sit down privately with your provider in an office like setting rather than walking up to a counter along with 3-5 other patients?
Yeah, I see your point about the business model, but that said, I don't get a private setting when I pick up prescriptions or OTC medications. I stand in line at the pharmacy with everyone else. When I was buying mmj I used a delivery service, so even then I didn't have a privacy issue. Now I grow my own. Problem solved.
You have a source for this claim? The Butte Co MMJ Guidelines have several provisions not compliant to recent California Supreme Court rulings, but those restrictions do not add up to making it "virtually impossible" to grow your own mmj.
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Most of these provisions violate prop. 215. About two weeks ago they passed regulations that make it very difficult to cultivate legally.
What you're saying still has zero effect. Just because Proposition 215 was first does NOT mean it overrides Senate Bill 420, OR any supreme court decisions (such as the recent one that made plant limits unconstitutional and amended the provisions to state 'as much as medically necessary.')Quote:
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The plain fact is most dispensaries follow California's model because California has been doing it the longest and it's a (somewhat) stable model.
The plain fact is most dispensaries follow California's model because California has been doing it the longest and it's a (somewhat) stable model.
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Zero effect? Is it really worth growing a 25 plant crop, getting busted by the Butte county sheriff then relying on an attorney to fight the charges to keep you out of jail because the county ordinances violate state law? Butte county is not the only one to snub their noses at state law and the supreme court rulings and there are already people becoming sacrifical lambs challenging the legal system but most people do not have these resources.
Mendocino county passed a new ordinance increasing the size of a crop a person can grow to I believe 100 plants but has to be registered with the county and permitted. The first woman to attempt to pacify this ordinance by getting a permit and starting her crop was busted by the DEA. State law does not trump federal law, local laws do not trump state laws and no matter how you look at it this "industry" is completely unregulated and there are no checks and balances. AB 420 was supposed to clarify the ambiguity of prop. 215 but even many member of law enforcement don't know the specifics. If your neighbor sees you growing 50 plants and calls the sheriff, they can easily show up, confiscate your crop and disregard any supreme court rulings leaving you to waste your own resources to defend yourself which you may do successfully but at what cost?
You think pot clubs are a stable model? You are kidding me right? The reason cities and counties are cracking down is because of the ambiguity in these regulations(or lack there of totally). Right now as we are speaking the IRS is starting to really scrutinize these shops, they are supposed to be part of a co-op and NON PROFIT! If you have ever belonged to a true co-op then you would know they supply whatever the product is at a reasonable cost produced from a number of different sources, the co-op can charge enough to cover overhead and any extra profit is/should be divided up among current members. Pot shops are also supposed to be involved in the growing process and most aren't, they are buying wholesale at very low prices and marking their product up 200-300%. The same pot people are paying $50+ and 8th for in clubs I can get for under $150 an oz from a true co-op and pass that cost on to my other friends who have recommendations. Prop. 215 was supposed to be a compassionate law to help people who otherwise might face prosecution for using/growing cannabis for medical uses, the key word here is compassionate and there is nothing compassionate about charging $50 an 8th for "medication".
As long as the mmj industry is in the grey area, prices will be higher than we all know they should be....Quote:
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If we are making distinctions I would say the "colorado model" is better protected and allows for greater patient privacy.
Because we have regulations that govern and protect the retail model here, patients have a greater assurance that who they are dealing with is trustworthy, accountable, and on record for owning, or being apart of the business.
Here at denver relief we have our bud-room set up with 4 bank teller booths that allow for private conversation even if others are in the room.
In my opinion bringing the sale into the light of day will do much more for the marijuana movement than restricting it to deals between friends.
In my opinion bringing the sale into the light of day will do much more for the marijuana movement than restricting it to deals between friends.
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As long as it's a federal crime everyone is operating in one giant grey area. It only takes one new president with an agenda to shut it all down very quickly, I'm not sure people really understand how short lived this all could be. I'm not saying it will happen but it could and there are still a lot of people who believe all that Reefer Madness crap and other stereotypes of similar folklore.
In Colorado we have a lot of protections.Quote:
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The end of an article published in today's Denver Post:
That is definitely more hope than prediction but only time will tell.Quote:
Walsh warned that state employees who administer marijuana regulations could risk federal prosecution. The letter was similar to ones sent by federal prosecutors in other medical marijuana states, including Washington, where Gov. Chris Gregoire vetoed legislation to license marijuana dispensaries after the Justice Department said it could result in a federal crackdown.
Hickenlooper said that he didn't share Gregoire's fear that regulations would bring federal drug raids.
"If the medical marijuana facility is conforming to our regulations, I would assume the federal government will not raid it," Hickenlooper said Thursday.
Most CA dispensaries are better than going to an OTC Pharmacy for a prescription. First the pharmacy will always make you wait. Ostensibly so you will wander around the store and purchase items that you otherwise would not have had they just given you your prescription and let you go. You also have to hang with folks or numerous contagious illnesses at the pharmacy while most of the patients at the dispensaries are there for non contagious medical conditions. I would rather go to any CA dispensary for my medicine than any CA pharmacy.
Note to Denver Relief. What happens if your patient goes to Hemp Con and signs with another provider for a free 1/8 without notifying you. You can get in big trouble. You model still needs to address some flaws the same as the CA model. The local laws are doubly messed up. In San Jose they allowed just 10dispensaries for a city of approx 1 million. The dispensaries also have to grow all the weed they sell on the premises. This would take a warehouse size operation for each dispensary which would then put all the "legal" dispensaries in violation of federal law. The existing dispensaries are all technically illegal yet they are all required to pay taxes on their sales.