Can Plants revert from flower to veg state?

I'm an outdoor grower that has recently taken up indoor as a hobby. Last November, I became bored and started the pics you will see below. 3 weeks ago, I transplanted the 4 plants into 5 gallon buckets. There were 6 originally, 2 were obvious males that I tossed(although seed stock is another topic I would like to discuss in the future). The remaining 4 are in the south windows indoors where they were started.

I now have 2 4-month old plants(the other 2 are reluctantly still vegging)enjoying a natural 12-12 light cycle indoors when I don't want flowers until August. I've heard that plants can live up to 12 years under a variety of conditions. Can I leave these plants, and expect them to switch back to a vegetative growth state as is?. I hope the pics help.

Thanks in advance for any input,

Biz

Yes, as the day's continue to increase in length, they will revert back to vege, tho they will continue to flower for a while now, and the switch back will be a bit more stressful and take longer if left on the natural light cycle. If possible you can use supplemental light to artificially increase the light cycle and trigger re-vege sooner.

Good luck and your girls are lookin awful nice! They will be TREE's if you vege em until August!!! :eek:

Yes, they can.
Surest way is to shorten their night.

Easiest way to do that is tack on a couple hours of light in the morning, or evening.

Don't take much to "keep 'em awake". A couple CFLs would work jus' fine.
As the days get longer you can cut back on the artificial light.

In Hawaii we can do re-grows outdoors.
Actually harvest buds and let them re-veg and re-bloom.
Jus' gotta get the timing right.
I've got a Thai plant doing a short season re-grow from a discarded rootball!Attachment 273483

Aloha, sunbiz

Weezard

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Originally Posted by canniwhatsis

Yes, as the day's continue to increase in length, they will revert back to vege, tho they will continue to flower for a while now, and the switch back will be a bit more stressful and take longer if left on the natural light cycle. If possible you can use supplemental light to artificially increase the light cycle and trigger re-vege sooner.

Good luck and your girls are lookin awful nice! They will be TREE's if you vege em until August!!! :eek:

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Both are pretty much dormant right now(poor girls don't know what to do, they think it's the first day of Fall!), while the other 2(not pictured)are actually about 50% larger due to non-flowering. I have a small indoor light set-up I can use for a month to extend the daylight. That should help revert them until the late April sun takes over.

Thanks for the feedback!

Biz

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Originally Posted by Weezard

Yes, they can.
Surest way is to shorten their night.

Easiest way to do that is tack on a couple hours of light in the morning, or evening.

Don't take much to "keep 'em awake". A couple CFLs would work jus' fine.
As the days get longer you can cut back on the artificial light.

In Hawaii we can do re-grows outdoors.
Actually harvest buds and let them re-veg and re-bloom.
Jus' gotta get the timing right.
I've got a Thai plant doing a short season re-grow from a discarded rootball!Attachment 273483

Aloha, sunbiz

Weezard

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Good morning!,

Glad to see the familiar faces are still enjoying my favorite hobby as well!. That root ball pic of yours is something I should have tried last Fall. The hardiness of these plants never cease to amaze me. Mine kept growing even when cut 1" above the soil and removed from the buckets, for several weeks!. Since I am now almost out of seed stock(dumb move on my part tossing males for several years, lost several strains)I'll use these very early indoors as parents to clone.

Have a good week!

Biz

I have seen flowering plants go back to veg. However I have had little success in getting a plant out of the ground and back into the veg box. They just die. I think cutting the buds and most of the limbs then digging up the roots is just too much for the plant to recover.

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Originally Posted by rudy2010

I have seen flowering plants go back to veg. However I have had little success in getting a plant out of the ground and back into the veg box. They just die. I think cutting the buds and most of the limbs then digging up the roots is just too much for the plant to recover.

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Probably is too much stress, I've never dug up and saved my in the ground plants after harvesting. I have done it with younger plants though, had to a few years back due to spider mites. They were in the ground for a month, then I dug them up and brought home where I nursed them back to health. Then I put them right back into the ground, 3 months later they were ready to harvest!.

I wish I could have save a couple of last summers plants to make sure I had the same strains this year but it did not work. I also killed my clones last fall when I was focused on harvesting and trimming and forgot to water. So I will try to get the same strains that I liked last year and hope I am still getting the same genomes.

You and me both my friend. I made the same mistake(and I knew better)last Fall. I focused all my spare time during the Summer/Fall for outdoor projects, and didn't even bother cloning. I have a decent seed stock, but I still lost a strain that was the best I have ever grown. In fact, I think I have an old pic of her here, I'll look around.

Hi all!

I need to re-visit this thread in hopes of another question being answered. The first plant(with the flower pic above)is seriously into flowering to the point of resin emission(smells great!). The other 3 are fine, those 3 will probably have to go into the ground at some point though. They have already been in 5 gallons of soil for a month, and another 6 months is much too long for the same soil. Other than a ton of LED bulbs, I have no indoor lighting system. So, I just moved my budding plant into a dark closet where it will remain in 13 hours of total darkness. Then I would obviously place it back into the south window for the remaining 11.

Think this will work to finish the job?

Thanks again for any input.

Biz

Should do!

Weeze

That should work as long as the dark is longer than the light it should continue to bud.

I just started cutting my clones today. I hope the Sour Diesel is as good as the ones I had in the previous 3 years. I cloned the Chernobyl too. I still need to get to the Jack Herrer but it will have about 50 - 100 clones so will take a while. It is easy to focus on my veg and clone boxes now.

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Hi all!

I need to re-visit this thread in hopes of another question being answered. The first plant(with the flower pic above)is seriously into flowering to the point of resin emission(smells great!). The other 3 are fine, those 3 will probably have to go into the ground at some point though. They have already been in 5 gallons of soil for a month, and another 6 months is much too long for the same soil. Other than a ton of LED bulbs, I have no indoor lighting system. So, I just moved my budding plant into a dark closet where it will remain in 13 hours of total darkness. Then I would obviously place it back into the south window for the remaining 11.

Think this will work to finish the job?

Thanks again for any input.

Biz

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That'll do it! Just don't forget to move the plant at about the same times,........ every day,..... for 3 months!!!!!! It get's OLD after the first month of moving her, I know! ;)

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Originally Posted by rudy2010

That should work as long as the dark is longer than the light it should continue to bud.

I just started cutting my clones today. I hope the Sour Diesel is as good as the ones I had in the previous 3 years. I cloned the Chernobyl too. I still need to get to the Jack Herrer but it will have about 50 - 100 clones so will take a while. It is easy to focus on my veg and clone boxes now.

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Same here, but it's a welcome change to have an unexpected Fall project in the Spring. I'm going to try a little cloning experiment just for fun. Many plant cuttings can successfully root when placed straight into potting soil. I'm going to give it a try. I take my cuttings underwater(2 person job)so that no air gets into the stalk. I'll use the root gel etc. and then into my starter soil I normally use for germinated seeds. Sounds like you have quite the handful there, good luck with the season!.

As for the flowering girl, she's coming along very slowly. I'm guessing it's still adjusting to a new schedule, not one yellowing leaf yet.

Peace

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Originally Posted by canniwhatsis

That'll do it! Just don't forget to move the plant at about the same times,........ every day,..... for 3 months!!!!!! It get's OLD after the first month of moving her, I know! ;)

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At this rate, it will take 14 weeks. Most of mine are done between 8-10(12 max)depending on the outcome I want.

Just wanted to update with some new pics, girls are coming along nicely:

I've found reveging takes a considerable amount of time for the plant to fully pull out of the budding cycle. I had a plant I put outside too early in the spring, it started to flower so I put it under 20 hours of light and it went into shock and died. I have some spring harvest plants that I'm going to just leave outside and see what they do after I cut off most of the buds.

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Originally Posted by Purple Daddy

I've found reveging takes a considerable amount of time for the plant to fully pull out of the budding cycle. I had a plant I put outside too early in the spring, it started to flower so I put it under 20 hours of light and it went into shock and died. I have some spring harvest plants that I'm going to just leave outside and see what they do after I cut off most of the buds.

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I've never had a plant that has died from going from one state to the other,or visa versa... I've also had them veg back in three weeks or so,after harvesting them. When 1 sprout comes back after revegging. Along with the light cycle... Then budding or flowering stage is done. When I say done.... I mean as soon as you set the light or dark cycle then they stop flowering. In the past 7 years never a death,with revegging!

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Originally Posted by Purple Daddy

I've found reveging takes a considerable amount of time for the plant to fully pull out of the budding cycle. I had a plant I put outside too early in the spring, it started to flower so I put it under 20 hours of light and it went into shock and died. I have some spring harvest plants that I'm going to just leave outside and see what they do after I cut off most of the buds.

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For the reason you mentioned, I went in the opposite direction that I began this thread with. The results have been good thus far w/pistil growth after 10 days at 11.5 hours of direct sun. I should have turned lights on back in February in that bedroom to prevent them from pre-flowering. Your plant going into shock is interesting, someone posted here in another thread they leave their flowering plants in total darkness for 2 days(out of necessity)with no ill effects. Hopefully I'll never know the answer first-hand b/c I can't imagine drastic lighting changes being a good thing.

I've never had a plant that has died from going from one state to the other,or visa versa... I've also had them veg back in three weeks or so,after harvesting them. When 1 sprout comes back after revegging. Along with the light cycle... Then budding or flowering stage is done. When I say done.... I mean as soon as you set the light or dark cycle then they stop flowering. In the past 7 years never a death,with revegging! >>>>>>>>

I should have just let it finish, I grew it inside for two months to give it a good jump start so I'd have a nice big plant by fall.

The six plants I have now went into flowering when they were about 18" tall and the only reason I can even think of was because they didn't get enough light, I had them under 24/7 but at that size I just kept them in a closet with a 26(100w) flouresent bulb at night and put them in the window during the day. Once I noticed the hairs I immediately increased the volume of light but it took like a month before they pulled out and seemed like it took a few more weeks to notice any real verticle growth so it set me back considerably because right now they would be much larger plus the growth area around where it started to flower was a real cluster mess of vegitation, I ended up just cutting it all out after it got larger. I started with 9 very healthy clones, three died but I can't say it was because of the re-vegging cycle, two of them are considerably smaller then the other four.

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Originally Posted by Purple Daddy

I've never had a plant that has died from going from one state to the other,or visa versa... I've also had them veg back in three weeks or so,after harvesting them. When 1 sprout comes back after revegging. Along with the light cycle... Then budding or flowering stage is done. When I say done.... I mean as soon as you set the light or dark cycle then they stop flowering. In the past 7 years never a death,with revegging! >>>>>>>>

I should have just let it finish, I grew it inside for two months to give it a good jump start so I'd have a nice big plant by fall.

The six plants I have now went into flowering when they were about 18" tall and the only reason I can even think of was because they didn't get enough light, I had them under 24/7 but at that size I just kept them in a closet with a 26(100w) flouresent bulb at night and put them in the window during the day. Once I noticed the hairs I immediately increased the volume of light but it took like a month before they pulled out and seemed like it took a few more weeks to notice any real verticle growth so it set me back considerably because right now they would be much larger plus the growth area around where it started to flower was a real cluster mess of vegitation, I ended up just cutting it all out after it got larger. I started with 9 very healthy clones, three died but I can't say it was because of the re-vegging cycle, two of them are considerably smaller then the other four.

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I vege under an 18/6 light cycle 400w MH, ALL and I do mean ALL of my plants have hairs (Or sacks if I'm growing a male) Just because the plant has started to produce Pre Flowers doesn't mean that it's gonna start budding,... just that it's ready for the light switch.

I actually got a couple seeds from a male that I was veging for a friend pollenating one of my mother plants that I cut clones from!!! :pimp:

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Originally Posted by canniwhatsis

I actually got a couple seeds from a male that I was veging for a friend pollenating one of my mother plants that I cut clones from!!! :pimp:

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How did you get seeds from a male plant?? I thought that the female plant was the only plant to give seeds.

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Originally Posted by rudy2010

That should work as long as the dark is longer than the light it should continue to bud.

I just started cutting my clones today. I hope the Sour Diesel is as good as the ones I had in the previous 3 years. I cloned the Chernobyl too. I still need to get to the Jack Herrer but it will have about 50 - 100 clones so will take a while. It is easy to focus on my veg and clone boxes now.

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If you ain't ever grown Jack before..... You should know a few things about the strain.. It is a picky strain!! Love to have headroom! Takes about 12-14 weeks to finish flowering. Don't like alot of nutes so a scaled down nute schedule would be in order.As far as cloning... They are not the easiest strain to clone either.. All this comes from experience... I do miss Ole Jack! I lost the strain a few years back and am waiting on a buddy to harvest so I can get them and reveg... That's not a problem with Jack.. Jack will flower at 16 hours light.. So don't try and save a dime cutting the light back while growing Jack.. You'll be very dissapointed!

Have you read the Bonsai Re-Vegging thread? The link is in my signature.

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How did you get seeds from a male plant?? I thought that the female plant was the only plant to give seeds.

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Yeah, that wasn't very clear, I got seeds on one of my mother plants because a male in my vege room pollenated her ;)

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Originally Posted by Rusty Trichome

Have you read the Bonsai Re-Vegging thread? The link is in my signature.

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I had completely forgotten about that thread, just re-read it this AM. I actually have a Y plant here I harvested yesterday(finally). I'm a bit concerned about trying to bonsai the first girl b/c she was the one damaged by the falling pillow a few weeks ago. The stem is cracked from the bottom of the y on down almost an inch. I have 3 more candidates better suited for re-veg, in a month when they finish up.

Thanks for including that old link in your sig here, I should have bonsaid(sp)last Fall but got too lazy...lol, outdoor harvest time and then the holidays.

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I had completely forgotten about that thread, just re-read it this AM. I actually have a Y plant here I harvested yesterday(finally). I'm a bit concerned about trying to bonsai the first girl b/c she was the one damaged by the falling pillow a few weeks ago. The stem is cracked from the bottom of the y on down almost an inch. I have 3 more candidates better suited for re-veg, in a month when they finish up.

Thanks for including that old link in your Sig here, I should have bonsaid(sp)last Fall but got too lazy...lol, outdoor harvest time and then the holidays.

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Hey sunbiz, Rusty showed me the thread and i grew the re vegged plants outside after growing them out in winter. It gave me plants that grew to big, lol. The small buds i left on the plants gave me tons of crazy branch growth. So they grew into giant bushes that really didn't look like your typical MJ plant. The thread is in my Sig if ya might want to see just how big they can get, if you can just follow what Rusty does in his thread. Then you can plant them outside after they are in the veg stage. Of course the plants need to get used to the sun before going straight in the ground, but im sure you knew that.

I just really enjoyed Rusty's thread and methods. Plus if you have grown the plant, why not take advantage of a possible better yield and a possible mother plant. Iv re vegged every plant iv grown that i could, since reading the thread and last years outdoor grow. I have 4 in my tent now which i really messed up growing the first time around. So now il be re vegging for clones and then they will get grown outside, IF IT EVER STOPS RAINING. Sorry, im losing my mind with the stuff.

Good luck with the grow.......


LSY

Hey LSY,

I have just begun to notice new growth on the one I harvested a few weeks ago. I figure in a month it can go into the ground, just in time for peak June sun to really get it going.

Has the rain ceased?.

Have a good one!

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Originally Posted by LetsSeeYa

Hey sunbiz, Rusty showed me the thread and i grew the re vegged plants outside after growing them out in winter. It gave me plants that grew to big, lol. The small buds i left on the plants gave me tons of crazy branch growth. So they grew into giant bushes that really didn't look like your typical MJ plant. The thread is in my Sig if ya might want to see just how big they can get, if you can just follow what Rusty does in his thread. Then you can plant them outside after they are in the veg stage. Of course the plants need to get used to the sun before going straight in the ground, but im sure you knew that.

I just really enjoyed Rusty's thread and methods. Plus if you have grown the plant, why not take advantage of a possible better yield and a possible mother plant. Iv re vegged every plant iv grown that i could, since reading the thread and last years outdoor grow. I have 4 in my tent now which i really messed up growing the first time around. So now il be re vegging for clones and then they will get grown outside, IF IT EVER STOPS RAINING. Sorry, im losing my mind with the stuff.

Good luck with the grow.......


LSY

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Still out there?.

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Originally Posted by sunbiz1

Still out there?.

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Don't know whom you're talking about...

But in my personal experience, you carefully dig-out the entire rootball, trim the rootball with a sharp knife to easily fit in the new pot. Leave room for fresh potting soil, and be sure to cover the top inch or so of rootball with new soil to keep the top roots covered. Flush the pot well, (fill any voids after the flush) and pamper her (them) for a week or so. By pampering, I mean no nutrients and raise the lights a little. She'll be in shock for a few days, but you should start seeing the new growth in no time. Start nutrients once she (they) strat showing the new growth.

There's a re-veg thread in my signature.

I just cut the bottom of my bucket off, filled another bucked half way with new soil and placed it on top.

Depending on the situation, it's easy to get too rootbound if the roots aren't trimmed-back in this process. Then there's how long you'll re-veg before flowering and how much vertical headroom there is in your veg closet or shed...
But as long as the old soil has no negative issues going on, the quazi-pot stacking technique is fine.

I was just seeing if it was even going to work, I had pea sized lava rock in the bottom of the original planter so when I cut the bottom off there wasn't much trimming or shaking loose I could do. I actually didn't think it would even work and just left it over in the corner of the yard and tossed it some water, it's doing very well now and will easily more then double the yield of the original harvest.

What is very strange is that the mother plant I re-vegged has absolutely no resemblence to the clones I took off of her in growth pattern or appearance or in flowers/leaves. I have a few that are almost done and the buds look absolutely nothing like the buds and plants from the mother. I have a few more clones that are growing in yet another different pattern and the flowers are developing differently, the mother plant seems to be flowering similiar to how she originally did. The mother plant originally grew fairly small sun leaves but a LOT of them and there was no real top it grew like a small shrub, there was no cola bud but multiple top's, the buds were small and had an orangish hint to them when cured. The clones grew big, fat leaves and much larger buds with a different appearance and smell.

Glad as hell to find this thread! Yeah you CAN re-veg plants. I do it all the time. If I don't get the seeds I want (usually from not getting a male from my favorite of that season), I'll re-veg my favorite & make sure I get pollen somewhere the next season. The reason I was looking for a thread on this subject was to bitch & rant about STUPID! Stupid pisses me off! Twice now I've had dumbasses insult my know-how & my plants when I'm re-vegging a plant recently harvested. Comments like, 'man! That's Charlie Browns christmas tree' or bitch, you don't know what you're doing, you've been picking the shit out of that plant, & it's gonna die! Even after I explained to these 2 dumbasses, they still didn't get it. What did they expect a plant to look like than had recently been harvested?!?!? Damned! All I can say is if you're stupid, don't insult those who aren't,..... you might get your nose broke !

i have my eye on a couple of plants outdoors right now I plan on digging up for cloning purposes next season.

I like to re-veg, then grow them out till the growth looks normal again (the new growth usually starts out looking a little deformed), then clone the hell out of it. You get so many more branches to clone from on a re-veged plant its unreal. Back in the day, Big Bud was new. It started from a mutation, & at that time you could only get clones, no seeds. Since I only had one, I was scared shitless that I would loose it when I tried to re-veg. You know, some strains do not re-veg well, & I had no idea which way Big Bud would go. Well here's the good part hehehe.... By the second season of doing this, I had so many Big Buds that I filled the 8 mile stretch of woods behind my house with them & the WHOLE DAMNED TOWN smelled like pot! My boyfriend said I was either gonna get us robbed or busted. But the thing of it was, the smell was so strong & EVERYWHERE, you couldn't tell where it was coming from. Big Bud does better indoors for me, so I crossed her with some purple afgani, then back to Big Bud & called it Big Bertha. Kicked ass both out doors & indoors & knocked your socks off with a mind blowing high.
Everybody who grows should try re-vegging. Play around with it. You deserve to impress yourself!

yes, you can revert back marijuana plants to the vegging period. some growers also call this process as "rejuvenation."
to do it:
do not do the harvest in the same way as you did withe other weed you don't intend to do revegging. leave 10% to 20% foliar and floral growth on the plants. leave some small buds. harvest only partially