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i got a 14"x25 1/2"x35" im going to try to squeeze any were from 6-8 plants all on the same cycle but i have a very small idea of how to set it up im thinking a t5 set up with one in fan one out or should i try to do a hps...i do have a 68w blue cfl but i think that would be better for a mother box vs that meany plants ...
ideas would be much appreciated...btw i like to keep it cheep :D
I really want to see u flowering 8 plants in about 3 square feet.
ya im worded once there all up they will just block to much light...iv see people do it but there also using much better lighting setups...i will probly do 6 my first time around and see how it works...or even do LST
The most plants I would recommend to comfortably grow in that space is three.
You have the right idea with thinking about LST, but also look into doing a SCROG in that space.
IMO three plants done SCROG style would work best with your space and light.
That's my :twocents:. :hippy:
Less than three feet in height. Probably should go with auto flowers.
Tikiroom is correct. When growing in smaller quarters, to maximize efficiency, a Scrog grow is the best option. Also, 3-4 plants will work just fine, it gives plenty of time to veg and train the babies, hence more bud sites. And if you are worried about light blockage, a scrog with adjustable lighting is absolutely the way to go :)
I have to agree with Scrogbox on this one. I think that most relatively new growers feel they will get more yeild if they have more plants. (sort of makes intuitive sense) The reality for most growers is that they will get about the same total yield with less than half the plants they plan on using. There are some very experienced growers who can get good production from tightly packed plant populations but they are the exception rather than the norm. Also all plant problems (mold mildew spider mites etc) will be magnified and more difficult to deal with due to the overcrowding.
The reason for this is that the plants become overcrowded rather quickly and compete for the available light. This will result in far less bud production from each plant. Even a mildly experienced Scrog grower can get more from one plant in scrog than you will get with 6 or 8 plants in that small amount of floor space.
In order to combat this somewhat, experienced Sea of Green growers (which is what you are attempting) will use a short veg time (as little as two weeks) but this is exactly what leads to the low production per plant. My experience has been that one plant will easily fill the small amount of floor space you describe if done using the scrog method (a screen of 24"x24" per plant works best for me).
The main reason for the great amount of production using scrog is that all of the buds are very close to the light. In a crowded space (in a non-scrog setup) the lower buds recieve so much less light that they remain very small. In scrog what would be lower buds are now as close to the light as all the others so they grow to a larger size than they do in non-scrog. Hence the higher production per square foot of floor space.
As for lighting, no matter what you choose you will want to have as much as 5,000 lumens per square foot for the flower period (12on-12off). If I were attempting to do what you are trying I would use a 4 bulb 24" T5HO fixture with maybe some supplemental CFL lights if you can fit them in. From an efficiency standpoint it will be better to use a space 24"x48" (aprox) using an 8 blulb 48" T5HO fixture. (the 48" T5HO bulbs produce 5,000 lumens each whereas the 24" T5HO bulbs produce only 2,000 lumens each)
Hope this has been educational/helpful and your eyes did not glaze over from the exteded explanation. I have five years scrog experience personally so feel free to ask any questions you have about this method.
Did I leave anything out Scrogbox? ;)
I agree with the t5 lighting. It's what I use and love it. Especially for a small grow. But let's remember he only has 35 inches in height. The pot has to take up some of that along with the light. I recommend auto flowers. U could fit more and not have to hassle with lst or scrog or any of that.
Treez, having only 35" of vertical hieght is the number one reason for using scrog in the first place. Autoflowers are a good suggestion as the typical autoflower is short in stature. However I have never seen or heard of anyone bragging about the quality of their autoflower results in terms of the high produced. Have you personally grown an autoflower? I hope so and also hope you can give us the benefit of your own experience with regard to recreational or medical effectiveness.
My experiences on this board with regard to autoflower recommendations has been that they are generally made by those who have no actual experience with the results but rather are just stating their opinion that it seems like a good idea. (I too like the idea but have yet to see commentary praising the resulting product) My view is that if you are going to spend the time, effort, money and energy to grow you should at least get a good product as a result.
I would love to try some autoflower outside but I am currently held back by the lack of any indication that the quality will be anywhere near what I get from a closet scrog grow.
Yes scrog is a relatively labor intensive method but having experienced more than six decades of real life I have found that one seldom receives excellent results from a lack of effort and work in almost any persuit.
I have never grown autos nor do I ever plan to. I cannot speak of quality. I have heard of some people that like them and others say they r garbage. But a lot of people say t5 lights r not any good and I tend to disagree. Of course I guess it depends on ur setup and capabilities. As far as scrog goes I could be completely wrong. I just really thought a flowering plant will need a pot that is at least a foot tall. Then the light will take up maybe six inches. That leaves less than 17 inches for the plants because they obviously cannot be touching the light. So do most scrog setups have plants that r only 14 inches tall? It is only 3 square feet. Of course I would not want to grow autos but I also don't want to listen to my wife blab while I'm writing this post.
Treez, my most recent scrog had plants that were 8" from the top of the grodan cube to the screen then 6" to 8" from the screen to the light so yes the total plant hieght was indeed 14" to 16". (picture a flat space of 24"x24" of nothing but 6" to 8" tall buds) The T5HO light fixture was less than 3" total hieght. If I had been using the "drain-to-waste" method of watering then adding in the 6" for the grodan cube brings the total hieght for everything together would be literally 25". Even adding in another 2" gap between the top of the plants and the light it would be only 27".
Real life being what it is the absolute minimum numbers are rarely achievable but you can see that 35" is entirely possible even if you have the growing medium or container pot at 12" rather than just the 6" for the grodan cube.
One reason scrog allows you to use low vertical hieght dimensions is that in a non-scrog system when plants are 30" to 40" tall I have found that the bottom half of each plant is essentially non-productive so that space is wasted. The only "wasted" hieght with scrog is the distance from the medium to the screen. (8" in my case) The most important reason for scrogging is the increase in production per square foot of floor space and even production per cubic foot in your grow setup due to the light being equally available to all the buds not just some of them. Also when using T5HO the light penetration depth is not even close to that of HID lighting. But as you and I know T5HO rocks for other reasons including being dramatically closer to the plants.
Give it a try a couple of times and you will be throwing rocks at other methods. It is even possible to shorten the hieght further with some advanced planning but that is for those that are very experienced with not only the method but their individual strain.
Did I miss anything Scrogbox? ;)
Well if he thinks he can do it and has a supply of good clones then why not. I just have never seen such a small setup. I prefer to grow from seed but not because I think it is better. I just like the feeling that I created life. Plus I grow and flower in the same closet so im not cloning my plants.
Random,take a look at this.
HTG Supply - 2 Foot 2 Lamp PL-55 Tek Lamp
This is probably going to be the best overall lighting for the space you have described.
You will get relatively high lumens per square foot as well as low vertical hieght and low heat. Keep in mind you are dealing with a less than optimal situation (cabinet size very small) so you will be making comprimises all along the way. But, it can be done.
BTW I ordered two of these this morning for a special project I have dreamed about for more than a year now.
regards,
Max Blast
What t5 setup do u have now. I have the sunlight supply tek light 8 bulb 4 foot. It was super expensive but I was a little leery of the cheaper ones. I only ask because I'm looking to get another one so I can separate veg and floor but don't want to spend so much again if not necessary.
this one,
Sun Blaze 432W 6500K 40000 Lumens 4FT T5 Fluorescent Grow Light - Plantlighting Hydroponics
sadly it only comes with 6500k bulbs but they offer 3000k bulbs as an add-on.
Oh wow. Half of what I paid and comes with bulbs. Mine did not. No worries on the bulbs it comes with. I bought two sets of each.6500 and 3000 thanks a lot.
project got upgraded lol its now a 25"x39"x8' im building a shelf half way up so i can do a see of green 6 plants on top 6 on bottom (10" pots)
You are cutting it my friend getting two setups in 39", thats 19.5" in height per setup if im reading your post right.Quote:
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Yes? Am I getting this right? My last Scrog grow was 24" total and that I felt was cutting it, you are cutting off even more than I did. Im sure it is possible, but youre gonna have to do some major work on those plants to bend them the right ways
socaltay, re-read the dimensions. The new space is 39 inches (39") wide and 8 feet (8') tall. Reasonable error when rushing through the first reading.
BTW major props if your 24" tall grow was completed with good results.
regards,
Max Blast
Ahhhhhh, yeah definitely read that wrong, I was like how the heck? My 24" grow worked phenomenally, 4 Northern Lights plants yielded me just over 6 ounces, not my best grow but definitely not bad for such a small grow, I got lucky with 4/4 ladies from seeds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Max Blast
this is the new set up :D
http://boards.cannabis.com/closet-ca...ml#post2189067