Coloradans for Medical Marijuana Regulation folds: Betty Aldworth unable to restore its rep - Denver News - The Latest Word
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about time. i read this yesterday.
Matt Brown, Wanda James, and the like are all crooks. Simply Pure edibles are garbage btw.
Neither of which have been involved with CMMR in some time...Quote:
Originally Posted by canaguy27
That ship has been sinking for while. It's a good time to let it go.
We wish Betty the best in her future endeavors consulting and working with the Medical Marijuana Assistance Program of the Rockies.
once the proposed caregiver rules go into effect, MMCs are going to lose their biggest allies - caregivers. I'm ready to throw in the towel. My wife and I can grow just for ourselves as patients. All of my patients want to learn to grow if this is the way it goes.
We're going to have no interest in any regs except the Constitution and I see every reason in the world to NOT renew my card - way too much is at stake with confidentiality. I have several pre-existing Dr's recs and extensive medical documentation, as does my wife. I used to check dispensaries out and got some clones and sampled strains - spent some serious money!
I have not visited one in months due to proposed regs. Strain variety is going to be a thing of the past, which makes my need for outside clones and seeds drop to about zero.
My political blowharding seems like a waste of time compared to helping patients help themselves. It all seems much more clear to me now that I am sure making money off MMJ isn't something I'm even interested in. I'm interested in good meds and the people I love, and the few patients I retained after the last round of rules are people I deeply care about. I may not wipe their asses or shop for them, and I may not even grow for them soon, but the same number of plants are gonna be growing. Just spread out in different homes.
The MMCs need us - some realize it and many don't. The fight with the DOH is over as far as I can tell, except for the decision and we know they do not come out on the side of patients, no matter what this BS process has been. Nothing stops them except a judge.
I hope CTI and Kathleen Chippi keep at it for the patients. I'm glad CTI took their reputation seriously by distancing themselves from you. know. who.
MMCs are next - you wait! They will regulate you right out of business, right after they are finished with us.
Wiping a sick person's ass is something that anyone who has been a real caregiver has probably done. :)
ass wiping is absolutely an important service! my patients aren't in need of that, and there are people who could provide better care than me.
BUT
there are physical therapists who help people recover from injury with exercise and training, and there are home nurses / hospice providers that are especially suited for end of life or long term care. Massage therapists who help retrain muscles, chiropractors and osteopaths who help with alignment, nutritionists who deal with diet...
Why does a cannabis practitioner need to do more than cannabis? it's complete bullshit. Let caregivers do what tehy do best, and NOT try to half ass something else to be legal. THAT, is bad for sick people, and that is exactly what will happen.
there are many different kinds of caregiving and the state should leave these private, constitutionally protected relationships alone.
Caregivers are unpaid relatives or friends of a disabled person who help with their daily life. It isn't a business. There is no profit, only investment. You cannot make money, only lose it. It's about love. I don't know how anyone (anyone with a sense of shame, at least) can claim to be a caregiver when what they really do is sell marijuana for profit. No voter, in their wildest dreams, ever imagined a caregiver shopping around for patients, selling marijuana, or wholesaling patients' medicine to retailers.
And, FYI, I'm pretty sure the "Cannabis Practitioner" classes at CTI got canceled when the instructor was indicted.... so you might have to wait until they find another charlatan if that's a professional certification you are seeking.
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Originally Posted by HighPopalorum
Maybe when A20 was writen they should have used anouther word in place of caregiver.
Highpop your quite the wordsmith what would you have used?:wtf:
personally, I don't give a fuck about making money. I don't make money, I've never made money, and I never will. I have a job. I don't need weed money to live. Maybe you think I'm an exception, but in the REAL cannabis caregiver world, I am not.
The limit of how much I can lose is real. I don't care even one bit about profitability or charging for extra services. I use the best of everything - nutes and medium and products. I can do that for 6 plants or 30. I don't benefit at ALL by serving my patients except for being able to maintain genetic diversity. I can only fit 12 in flower anyway. I love cannabis and what it's done for our lives, and money has zero to do with it.
really, I'm not going to get fucked by this. I will comply. People who aren't as blessed as me will lose.
edit: and as for CTI, they seem to have their values most in line with mine. Nobody is perfect, but they are closest for me. Nobody else is really sticking up for mmj patients here.
You sound like you're coming around. Obviously, if your wife is one of your patients, you have more than a profit-based interest in providing the best marijuana. I'm a pro-regulation liberal guy, but I would support any exceptions, any exemptions that allowed small growers like yourself to serve more patients who needed your meds. Hell, I don't even think non-commercial growers should even have to register with the state as caregivers. However, (and this is the rub) when caregivers sell marijuana beyond their family and friends, they really aren't caregivers any more, but businesses... and that means taxes, regulation etc. Kathleen, for example, sold pot to thousands of people, but isn't willing to go through the state licensing process and inspection regime! Nuts!
You've still never satisfactorily explained why cannabis is deserving of regulation of any kind. Or is it that you believe the government should be able to regulate "because it's there?" I guess if liberty is seen as having no value , in a cost/benefit analysis of regulation, liberty as a cost will always lose out to regulation, even if the benefits of regulation are marginal, uncertain, or even non-existent.Quote:
Originally Posted by HighPopalorum
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Originally Posted by HighPopalorum
Whats nuts is one moment the state is saying marijuana is bad, put you in jail for years over it and steal everything you own through forfeiture, then the next moment saying its ok ONLY if you give us money, otherwise its still bad. I'm not psychic but I'm pretty sure when voters voted in A20 it wasnt for people to be wiping other peoples asses.
He cant thats why.Quote:
Originally Posted by senorx12562
" I'm a pro-regulation liberal guy, " He said
May as well say Im a sheeple , saaaaaad
Nuts
I think, not to put words in anyones mouth, the argument is that once they move into business sector they should be regulated like many businesses are.Quote:
Originally Posted by senorx12562
Im with copobo on this one.Quote:
Originally Posted by copobo
For me, the major reason commercial growers should face regulation and inspection is consumer protection. I'm concerned with three areas in particular: contamination, patient privacy, and honesty in labeling and measurement. We know MMCs sell moldy and pestilential medication. We should promulgate regs that prevent and punish this behavior. We know MMCs have misused and misplaced confidential data. I don't have any interest at all in regulating non-commercial sales between caregivers and their patients, but businesses open to the public should have to comply with the rules and standards of their community, from the city fire code to the 14th Amendment as other businesses do.Quote:
Originally Posted by senorx12562
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Originally Posted by HighPopalorum
The poor consumer could never protect themselfs.We should all live in padded rooms. NUTS
Goverenment regulates everything to death why should we expect different.
Highpop you often make some good points, but in the end nothing good will really become of all this.They are taking away everyones freedoms as fast as they can and everywhere they can.How can anyone welcome this?
Unfortunately those still able to maintain their comfort zones, seem unaware of the fascist state of america.
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Let's deregulate everything. I know where we can start: the banks!Quote:
Originally Posted by porone
I see the point you are trying to makeQuote:
Originally Posted by TheReleafCenter
To answer that questionYes.
End the FED Go back to the gold standard.
Shit hits the fan eather way.
When shits hits Hope you still feel warm and fuzzy Knowing your protected
They were there long enough to do their damage and run with the money. Ask Matt Brown how he likes his new BMW.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheReleafCenter
The current lady picked up the pieces and tried to put something together, but it was too late.
Did Releaf Center support them?
No, although I don't support boycotting most of the centers who donated. Very few had anything to do with the final product. Guilt by association never strikes me as particularly fair, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by canaguy27
Free market would eliminate all this, probably faster than the government could/would. Would you buy wilted moldy lettuce when you can go down the street and but fresh lettuce?Quote:
Originally Posted by HighPopalorum
This is the EXACT problem with the United States today. People like you feel the average citizen can't make decisions anymore and we need the government to regulate. Do a little research and find out how the founders of our country feel about this. It's sickening how readily people like you will give up freedom for safety, and your numbers are growing thanks to the BS they feed us in schools now.
I would be willing to bet you are all for this global warming fiasco too, aren't you? Readily awaiting your carbon tax when in reality it's the sun spots causing the temperatures to fluctuate (normal solar activity). They are using you! If you need some links I can supply plenty of information from the founder of The Weather Channel.
Whoever said sheeple is 100% correct. You believe everything the media feeds you. Time to wake up, start thinking for yourself and stop giving away our God given freedoms.
The gold standard? The founders? The Fed? Sun spots? You guys crack me up.
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Laugh it up, ignorance is bliss i guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by HighPopalorum
So in your view we should keep paying private bankers interest on dollars they create from thin air?? We should also go along with the global warming carbon tax fraud?
And yes.. the founders. You know, the people who made this country the place everyone wants to live. If you don't like to be free, move.
Edit: The founder of the weather channel is the one who blew the lid off the global warming fraud by showing proof that it's sun spots causing the fluctuation in temperatures. Not humans, not cars, not factories, not the meat industry (yes they actually tried to blame cow farts) it's the sun!
YouTube - John Coleman slams global warming (1 of 4)
Would you like proof that the fed creates money out of nothing and then charges us interest for it?
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Originally Posted by SprngsCaregiver
Are you saying the amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is irrelevant to a planets climate? Is that your contention?
Yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zedleppelin
http://freepdfhosting.com/282966d8f3.pdf
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Originally Posted by SprngsCaregiver
Really? Then explain why the surface of Venus is hotter than the surface of Mercury even though it is twice the distance from the sun as Mercury. Couldnt be because its atmosphere is 96% carbon dioxide, because according to you the amount of CO2 is irrelevant, so whats causing it? Those sunspots are missing mercury and hitting Venus?
Why don't you try giving us your own thoughts and knowledge on the subject instead of pasting a link that you probably never even read.
Well since this thread has gone totally OT anyway, what makes you say this?Quote:
Originally Posted by canaguy27
I'm just curious because, by happenstance (and totally non mmj-wise), I have exactly two degrees of separation from Simply Pure.
Trust me, the concept of casting pearls before swine is particularly apt when trying to be reasonable with Edward Nort... er..High popawhatever.Quote:
Originally Posted by SprngsCaregiver
Agreed. I was just curious. Unfortunately a lot of places got fleeced by them.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheReleafCenter
Price, taste, and effectiveness as reported by patients I know.Quote:
Originally Posted by telephone
Oh cool, thanks for the clarification. I thought you were implying the they were associated with CMMR. :stoned:Quote:
Originally Posted by canaguy27
Karma is a Bitch Wanda! and it's looking for you too Josh!:mad: