Im confused by so many different awnsers!! , plz i need to sort this problem out ???

, My leaves are rolling back i am worried they are dieing!!! , they was fine untill i changed the night temp , i put a heater in the room to bring the temp up ,b4 i put the heater on they were a bit droopy , but it has always been doing that when it comes to the end of the light session, but when the light comes back on they perk up , but this time they were just rolling right under , also two days ago i repoted into 14ltr pot from 2ltr pots but all looked well , plz i need expert advice ?????


Your Equipment:
1) Type and wattage of lights? SUN MASTER 600 WATT DUAL SPECTRUM
2) Distance from tops? 2FT
3) Reflector type?
4) What are the bulb wattages, kelvin ratings, and schedule? 600WATTS KELVIN RATINGS??? , 18 on 6 off
Your Equipment:
5) Is there a consistent fresh air supply? YES TWO 4" DUCTING FROM TENT TO OUT SIDE
6) Do you have an exhaust fan and a circulation fan? How located? YES located @ inside at the top, fan @ top at a slight angle down ways
7) Do you have other equipments like heater, humidifier or any other? NO

Your medium:
8) Specific brand and type of soil, (coco, peat based soilless...) and anything you've added to it. (vermiculite, perlite, worm castings...) soil -PLAGRON GROW MIX WITH PROLITE, ADDED SUPER THRIVE 10 DROPS PER GALLON
9) Size of container. ????
10) Did you use peat pucks (or similar) to root clones or germinate seedlings? NO
11) How did you use it? (How much soil in container, did you press, if transplanted when and from what size etc.)

Your nutrients and water:
12) Source of water? (tap, bottled or filtered) TAP
13) Specific brand and N-P-K ratio for each bottle. List dosages (quantity per gallon) and current feeding schedule. (How often and how much) 1/2 EVERY 3 DAYS
14) How often are you watering between feedings, and how much per watering?
15) How do you water/feed (slowly, pouring all the water at once, until seeing the runoff, etc... Give detail) JUST POUR LET SOAK THEN POUR AGAIN
16) What are the pH values (water, soil, ingoing, runoff) What are the pH checking methods? WATER IN IS ROUGHLY 6.5 USEING TEST , not yet tested out as i havnt waterd enough for a run off!
17) Any additives or tea's? (Superthrive, CalMag, molasses, Mother's Earth...) SUPERTHRIVE
18) Do you foliar feed? If so, with what, how often, and at what time do you spray? NO

Your growroom:
19) Indoors or outdoors? IN DOORS , GROW TENT
20) What size of closet, room or hut? 1200X1200X2000 mm
21) What are the temps and humidity levels while lights are on? 79-84 rh 22-35%...With lights off? was 60-65 rh 30-40% , but i got it upto 72f with the heater
22) What type of reflector material you're using for the walls?
23) Have you seen signs of insects in the grow room? NO

Your strain:
24) What strain are you growing? (Indica dominate or Sativa dom?) ?? JACK
25) From seeds or clones? I GOT THEM AS CUTTINGS
26) Is this an autoflower strain Your Equipment:??

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ADDED SUPER THRIVE 10 DROPS PER GALLON

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that's alot of super thrive....:cool:

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Originally Posted by Dutch Pimp

that's alot of super thrive....:cool:

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was i advised wrong???

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Originally Posted by budbudding

, My leaves are rolling back i am worried they are dieing!!! , they was fine untill i changed the night temp , i put a heater in the room to bring the temp up ,b4 i put the heater on they were a bit droopy , but it has always been doing that when it comes to the end of the light session, but when the light comes back on they perk up , but this time they were just rolling right under , also two days ago i repoted into 14ltr pot from 2ltr pots but all looked well , plz i need expert advice ?????


Your Equipment:
1) Type and wattage of lights? SUN MASTER 600 WATT DUAL SPECTRUM
2) Distance from tops? 2FT
3) Reflector type?
4) What are the bulb wattages, kelvin ratings, and schedule? 600WATTS KELVIN RATINGS??? , 18 on 6 off
Your Equipment:
5) Is there a consistent fresh air supply? YES TWO 4" DUCTING FROM TENT TO OUT SIDE
6) Do you have an exhaust fan and a circulation fan? How located? YES located @ inside at the top, fan @ top at a slight angle down ways
7) Do you have other equipments like heater, humidifier or any other? NO

Your medium:
8) Specific brand and type of soil, (coco, peat based soilless...) and anything you've added to it. (vermiculite, perlite, worm castings...) soil -PLAGRON GROW MIX WITH PROLITE, ADDED SUPER THRIVE 10 DROPS PER GALLON
9) Size of container. ????
10) Did you use peat pucks (or similar) to root clones or germinate seedlings? NO
11) How did you use it? (How much soil in container, did you press, if transplanted when and from what size etc.)

Your nutrients and water:
12) Source of water? (tap, bottled or filtered) TAP
13) Specific brand and N-P-K ratio for each bottle. List dosages (quantity per gallon) and current feeding schedule. (How often and how much) 1/2 EVERY 3 DAYS
14) How often are you watering between feedings, and how much per watering?
15) How do you water/feed (slowly, pouring all the water at once, until seeing the runoff, etc... Give detail) JUST POUR LET SOAK THEN POUR AGAIN
16) What are the pH values (water, soil, ingoing, runoff) What are the pH checking methods? WATER IN IS ROUGHLY 6.5 USEING TEST , not yet tested out as i havnt waterd enough for a run off!
17) Any additives or tea's? (Superthrive, CalMag, molasses, Mother's Earth...) SUPERTHRIVE
18) Do you foliar feed? If so, with what, how often, and at what time do you spray? NO

Your growroom:
19) Indoors or outdoors? IN DOORS , GROW TENT
20) What size of closet, room or hut? 1200X1200X2000 mm
21) What are the temps and humidity levels while lights are on? 79-84 rh 22-35%...With lights off? was 60-65 rh 30-40% , but i got it upto 72f with the heater
22) What type of reflector material you're using for the walls?
23) Have you seen signs of insects in the grow room? NO

Your strain:
24) What strain are you growing? (Indica dominate or Sativa dom?) ?? JACK
25) From seeds or clones? I GOT THEM AS CUTTINGS
26) Is this an autoflower strain Your Equipment:??

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Confused caus so many answers correct me ifin I am wrong pilgrem answers amount to one? Hope somein here be helpin ya fur what yu need Luck to yu and yur grow.

BWD

I am leaning toward over fertilization. I hope you don't have the heater blowing directly on the plants.

Looks to me like too much Nitrogen.

Were I you, I'd ditch the Superthrive from your regimin and see how the plant(s) react. You soil is pre-fertilized, and I am doubtful that at this early stage you need ammendments or additives. Especially in mega-doses. (10 drops of Superthrive per gallon is a mega-dose)

Personally...I stopped using Superthrive a few years ago with no regrets. The only place it's ever been proven effective for cannabis, is in the mind(s) of cannabis gardeners. And since nobody knows the formula, what kind of residue are you smoking when you do use it? Will it interract with other meds you are taking? Regardless, it's an overdose. On your next watering day you'll likely want to flush with properly ph'd water. (let the soil dry between waterings, feedings, flushes...)

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Were I you, I'd ditch the Superthrive from your regimin and see how the plant(s) react. You soil is pre-fertilized, and I am doubtful that at this early stage you need ammendments or additives. Especially in mega-doses. (10 drops of Superthrive per gallon is a mega-dose)

Personally...I stopped using Superthrive a few years ago with no regrets. The only place it's ever been proven effective for cannabis, is in the mind(s) of cannabis gardeners. And since nobody knows the formula, what kind of residue are you smoking when you do use it? Will it interract with other meds you are taking? Regardless, it's an overdose. On your next watering day you'll likely want to flush with properly ph'd water. (let the soil dry between waterings, feedings, flushes...)

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Thanx rusty , ive been hopein you was gonna comment i heard you the best there is ,. Should i be worried at this stage about them dieing? nothing seems to be going right for me ,. would you not think it could be stress from repotting and change of heat at night? i think is called wilting ??

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Originally Posted by budbudding

Thanx rusty , ive been hopein you was gonna comment i heard you the best there is ,. Should i be worried at this stage about them dieing? nothing seems to be going right for me ,. would you not think it could be stress from repotting and change of heat at night? i think is called wilting ??

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also i just noticed the sides are starting to lift up ?? over fert??? im not feeding but there is alot of grow mix in the pot , .. would you think i need to flush a.s.a.p ?????

It might be as simple as transplant shock, but...

If noticibly worse every day, do the flush. But once you start doing things back-to-back-to-back...stress will set-in and a diagnosis get's that much tougher. (overfertilizing, transplanting, changing the ambient enviornment, overwatering...) You'll want to avoid keeping the roots saturated, so if you can, hold off till the soil is ready for more moisture.

Mind me asking who it was that told you to add regular doses of 10 drops of Superthrive in addition to your pre-ferted soil? And this was every 3 days...?

You do realize that every time you water, nutrients are being released, right...?

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was i advised wrong???

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Yes, yes you were.

I've done side by side tests with superthrive.
It's a scam.
There was no significant difference at any reasonable dosage.
The concentration that was recommended to you can be toxic.
Looks like you were handed a fnord.:(

My advice?
First.
Patience. "Fix" one thing at a time, then wait to see if it's fixed.
And B.
Cease with the snake oil and listen to Rusty.:cool:

Aloha,
Weeze

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It might be as simple as transplant shock, but...

If noticibly worse every day, do the flush. But once you start doing things back-to-back-to-back...stress will set-in and a diagnosis get's that much tougher. (overfertilizing, transplanting, changing the ambient enviornment, overwatering...) You'll want to avoid keeping the roots saturated, so if you can, hold off till the soil is ready for more moisture.

Mind me asking who it was that told you to add regular doses of 10 drops of Superthrive in addition to your pre-ferted soil? And this was every 3 days...?

You do realize that every time you water, nutrients are being released, right...?

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Seems a bit warm in there. Try misting them and cover them with some type of plastic dome. Almost like they have transpired. Kinda like sweating all the moisture out of the leaf. That will make them droop. The yellowing is normal due to the plant using it's nitrogen reserve. That comes from no ferts at the moment. Mix you some Superthrive in a gallon jug. Put 10 drops with a dropper,in the water shake it up and water. That will help with stressing.Would'nt hurt to use some Pro-Tekt by Dyna Grow.

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Thnx Rustsy, I will give a couple of day's if no change then i'll have no choice but to flush , and then hope everything will be ok , . The bigger leaves seem to be fine tho? , it's mainly all the new growth that have hooked,. Is the temps good , i have had 50% say its no problem and the other 50 say no its not , so i dnt know where i reall stand , in the day its mainly 80-83 rh 33% -5+ and during the night , 60-70 depending on weather outside rh 42% -5+,. And my ph going in is 6.7 coming out 5.7 , is this ok , ??

Thanx

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Originally Posted by Dutch Pimp

that's alot of super thrive....:cool:

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thats what i told him in the other thread on the same plant. his soil is very high nutrient based. your not supposed to add anything for a long while. 5-6 weeks if i remember correctly.

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thats what i told him in the other thread on the same plant. his soil is very high nutrient based. your not supposed to add anything for a long while. 5-6 weeks if i remember correctly.

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Hi,. Yes you did and its in the bin now :) ,.. Only used it the once , so hopefuly not much damaged done!!

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Mix you some Superthrive in a gallon jug. Put 10 drops with a dropper,in the water shake it up and water. That will help with stressing.Would'nt hurt to use some Pro-Tekt by Dyna Grow.

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SuperThrive is a damn lie. Don't buy it or use it people. Do a little research first! If you want to do something along the lines of what SuperThrive claims to do then try a good kelp / seaweed / fish emulsion feed that you can put in the soil and/or spray on the foliage.

GaGrown is normally a solid gardener that you can trust to give good responses. Although 1 drop per gallon is 'normal' (if you use that 'snake-oil' stuff in the first place) I can't imagine him recommending 10 drops per gallon on purpose. I can't even imagine using that mega-dosage as a stand-alone nutrient.

Hopefully it was a typo. (perhaps he typed 10 instead of 1)

Try and keep day/night temps to within 15 to 20 degrees. Beyond that and you risk stressing them. Having said that, my summer temps often top 100 (inside my outdoor flowering shed) and can drop as low as 70 at night. Speaking of which...how long till summer...?

Old leaves are old news. But technically...your new growth is about to be the old growth. In other words...if your plants are on the mend, the next weeks growth will be the new growth, while your present new growth will be old. (comparitively) The new growth you see now will show the signs of stress till the day they die, but hopefully next weeks growth will stabilize and be fine. Have patience, but let us know if anything else happens. Preferably before it's too late.

Occationally I'll give my babies in the growth stage a 'mercy' spray to bump the humidity levels up, but it's not something I'd ever want use a humidifier or a humidity dome to alter. Hot and humid is a good enviornment to promote mold, algae and root rot issues.

During flowering cycle I aim for the lowest possible humidity level. Where I live (southwest desert) this means between 10% and 20% ambient humidity. (except during the monsoons) But the moisture in the pots after watering and feeding gives me an 'in the growroom' humidity level of about 40-50% maximum.

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GaGrown is normally a solid gardener that you can trust to give good responses. Although 1 drop per gallon is 'normal' (if you use that 'snake-oil' stuff in the first place) I can't imagine him recommending 10 drops per gallon on purpose. I can't even imagine using that mega-dosage as a stand-alone nutrient.

Hopefully it was a typo. (perhaps he typed 10 instead of 1)

Try and keep day/night temps to within 15 to 20 degrees. Beyond that and you risk stressing them. Having said that, my summer temps often top 100 (inside my outdoor flowering shed) and can drop as low as 70 at night. Speaking of which...how long till summer...?

Old leaves are old news. But technically...your new growth is about to be the old growth. In other words...if your plants are on the mend, the next weeks growth will be the new growth, while your present new growth will be old. (comparitively) The new growth you see now will show the signs of stress till the day they die, but hopefully next weeks growth will stabilize and be fine. Have patience, but let us know if anything else happens. Preferably before it's too late.

Occationally I'll give my babies in the growth stage a 'mercy' spray to bump the humidity levels up, but it's not something I'd ever want use a humidifier or a humidity dome to alter. Hot and humid is a good enviornment to promote mold, algae and root rot issues.

During flowering cycle I aim for the lowest possible humidity level. Where I live (southwest desert) this means between 10% and 20% ambient humidity. (except during the monsoons) But the moisture in the pots after watering and feeding gives me an 'in the growroom' humidity level of about 40-50% maximum.

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Hi rusty ! , i just checked on them and they look worse !! , they look shriveld and brittle and 1 leaf has chunks missing out of the side !!

Yeah. Soil looks dry enough to handle a good flush. At least a 1:1 ratio, but a 2:1 ratio would be better. (two times the pot's volume of properly ph'd water) If it's a 1 gallon pot, slowly run 2 gallons of properly ph'd water through it, one quart at a time. I add a quart, wait one minute, add a quart, wait...till done. Make sure your catch tray doesn't overflow all over the floor. Move any electrical cords. (or do the flush in a bathtub)

Don't expect miracles overnight, as nothing good ever happens overnight. :thumbsup:

Also, I do a maintenance flush every 1st of the month to flush-out all the built-up nutrients and salts. If you don't water to runoff, you should do the same. The stuff will build-up and can hit the plants like a ton of bricks.

The top of your plant in the first photo is the same as the tops on 3 of my young clones. I checked them today and their out going PH had bottomed down to 5 (ingoing 6.5).
You wrote earlier your PH out was 5.7? Wait for the experts to advise Bud :)

Yes my ph is 5.7 out and 7 ish going in , I dnt think i can take anymore sleepness night tbh , grrrrr what a head ache !!!

How do you send messages on ere to other members??

hey rusty brva you poped in you cool m8ty

budbudding: back again brva wargwarn wid dat
remember get rid of that super thrive dont use fertz untill they are well established like when its flower time

and are you still boiling that water

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hey rusty brva you poped in you cool m8ty

budbudding: back again brva wargwarn wid dat
remember get rid of that super thrive dont use fertz untill they are well established like when its flower time

and are you still boiling that water

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Their being little fuckers mate , changed to bigger pots now their going divvy on me , aint got a clue whats wrong with them , I havnt yet used boiled water but i will , i had to get the plants out of the little pots quick time , so next feed i will give it a go!

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Also, I do a maintenance flush every 1st of the month to flush-out all the built-up nutrients and salts. If you don't water to runoff, you should do the same. The stuff will build-up and can hit the plants like a ton of bricks.

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this is a nice tip as i dont always let the water run my self .....DETOX.....thats what i need......

My plants dnt seem that bushy , Their growing up ok , , is this just the way they are? , or is there a way to make erm grow out ? ,. Or do they start filling out after a mouth or so ,.. Ive never seen a plant in action so i dnt know what to expect! :)

See this tutorial on how to FIM your plants:

An Overview of Cannabis Training (ScrOG, SoG, FIM, Supercrop, LST, etc.)

Quit dicking around with 'em, follow direction, and let 'em heal. ;)

uh... yeah. I have to second Rusty on that one.

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Yeah. Soil looks dry enough to handle a good flush. At least a 1:1 ratio, but a 2:1 ratio would be better. (two times the pot's volume of properly ph'd water) If it's a 1 gallon pot, slowly run 2 gallons of properly ph'd water through it, one quart at a time. I add a quart, wait one minute, add a quart, wait...till done. Make sure your catch tray doesn't overflow all over the floor. Move any electrical cords. (or do the flush in a bathtub)

Don't expect miracles overnight, as nothing good ever happens overnight. :thumbsup:

Also, I do a maintenance flush every 1st of the month to flush-out all the built-up nutrients and salts. If you don't water to runoff, you should do the same. The stuff will build-up and can hit the plants like a ton of bricks.

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Hi rusty hope you good !,.

I have done the flush , I put them back in as normal under the lights then light went off 18 hrs later,. returnd 6hrs later to put the lights back on , then i noticed the sides on a few leaves at the top seem to be cupping and a few look as if their trying to turn upside , and leaves feel dry ??

If ya can help it would be appreciated thanx

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Hi rusty hope you good !,.

I have done the flush , I put them back in as normal under the lights then light went off 18 hrs later,. returnd 6hrs later to put the lights back on , then i noticed the sides on a few leaves at the top seem to be cupping and a few look as if their trying to turn upside , and leaves feel dry ??

If ya can help it would be appreciated thanx

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hey bud....dont forget you've stressed them a lot this week poor little buggers let them dry out after that flush couple of days see what there sayin........to be honest i wouldn't like to lay that sort of stress on my babes

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hey bud....dont forget you've stressed them a lot this week poor little buggers let them dry out after that flush couple of days see what there sayin........to be honest i wouldn't like to lay that sort of stress on my babes

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Mate i'm having f$£king mare's with erm bruv lol ,. 1 thing after another , . To be honest mate i dnt think ive put them through to much stress , the only thing ive done is repoting them and, the flush ! ,. Oh f$£k me yeah !! the superphrive , mate what a headache !! grrrrrrrrrrr!!

Maybe it could be the heat in the tent? It's been going up n down , mainly because the weather out side has been ! and it's been 84c all day today , so i just put a extractor fan up in the loft and i attached a length of 4" ducting to the back of it and ran directly into the tent !! ,, ... WHOOP WHOOP , What a brain wave!! ,. Think that should do the trick :)

lol Rusty ,. I'm sitting ere twicthing me fingers , so i thought i would try and learn a bit more you know !! ,.. :)

Let them heal, and next week look at the new growth. You have done all you can do at this point, unless you want to plant some 'just in case' back-ups.

Impatient gardeners cost themselves in effort, yield and quality. Try pretending you are a newbie, and keep it simple. Once you learn how to properly care for the ladies, THEN start looking into ways to supercharge your garden. You have pre-fertilized soil, water a ph test kit, and light. That is about all you need till it's time for flowering, when you'll want to start giving them some bloom nutrients. (start looking into it now though)

Sorry...peace of mind is a commodity I can't give away. You have to earn it, and it can only come from you. Reading till your eyes bleed always worked for me though...:thumbsup:

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Let them heal, and next week look at the new growth. You have done all you can do at this point, unless you want to plant some 'just in case' back-ups.

Impatient gardeners cost themselves in effort, yield and quality. Try pretending you are a newbie, and keep it simple. Once you learn how to properly care for the ladies, THEN start looking into ways to supercharge your garden. You have pre-fertilized soil, water a ph test kit, and light. That is about all you need till it's time for flowering, when you'll want to start giving them some bloom nutrients. (start looking into it now though)

Sorry...peace of mind is a commodity I can't give away. You have to earn it, and it can only come from you. Reading till your eyes bleed always worked for me though...:thumbsup:

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Hi rusty , ive been looking an reading about a few bloom's , but a friend of mine told me alga bloom by plagron is good enuff for ,.. Whats your take on that mate??

I think i need a miracle mate not Bloom !! hahahaha!

I haven't heard that it's directly killed anyone, lol. I'm not all that certain about the hormones in it though. Especially if on other meds that the hormones could interact with. Perhaps it's an insignificant ammount, but I, as a med user, would investigate it further before giving it a thumbs-up. :jointsmile:

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I haven't heard that it's directly killed anyone, lol. I'm not all that certain about the hormones in it though. Especially if on other meds that the hormones could interact with. Perhaps it's an insignificant ammount, but I, as a med user, would investigate it further before giving it a thumbs-up. :jointsmile:

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Ok buddy i'll do that thanx :)

Also this is what happens to the plants coming to the end of a day session ! I can't understand why it does this ,. I have even got the temp down to 79f from over the 80 mark and has'nt made a bit of difference! ,.. What's your thoughts on it , Do you think the root's could be damaged??

Looks like overwatering and a lack of fresh air circulation, to me. Might also be stress from the assault. How long has the drooping at lights-out been going on?

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Looks like overwatering and a lack of fresh air circulation, to me. Might also be stress from the assault. How long has the drooping at lights-out been going on?

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Its been going on since they have been in pot's two weeks now ! , i think we can rule out fresh air ,i have a extractor fan constantly feeding fresh air in to the tent at a large rate ! , the rh has been 64% with the lights on , but only since the i flushed them , before i did it was 25-35 ,. but it was still drooping like that b4 hand anways , But it only happens towards the end of the light session !!
That pick was taken 4&1/2 hours ago and there almost all the way up again, i will take a pic on the 6th hour ! grrrr puzzled!

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Its been going on since they have been in pot's two weeks now ! , i think we can rule out fresh air ,i have a extractor fan constantly feeding fresh air in to the tent at a large rate ! , the rh has been 64% with the lights on , but only since the i flushed them , before i did it was 25-35 ,. but it was still drooping like that b4 hand anways , But it only happens towards the end of the light session !!
That pick was taken 4&1/2 hours ago and there almost all the way up again, i will take a pic on the 6th hour ! grrrr puzzled!

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full 6 hours with light off!!

Is your fan blowing air into the tent, or exhausting it out?
It is way better to run the fan as an exhaust and have a passive intake.

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Is your fan blowing air into the tent, or exhausting it out?
It is way better to run the fan as an exhaust and have a passive intake.

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Hi Tikiroom, I have a 4" rihno carbon filter and fan for the exhaust , And a astractor fan outside with 4" ducking attached to it running directly into the tent ,so should be enough fresh air!

One last fan question. Do you leave the exhaust fan on during lights out?