Leafs a "crispy" feeling?

INFO:
Strain: Bubba Kush (Bubble gum x OGkush) [80/20 ->indica/sativa)

Lights: 6 CFL's (4day light, 2 warm) 100w - 23w equivalent. About 2inches away from top of plant

Watering: Only when soil on top and bottom (drainage hole) are dry to the touch (no moisture on finger when touched)..just noticed run-off water has a yellow tinge to it. (Sort of looks like ginger-ale, but without any gas! lol)

Soil: Miracle Grow (does not say nute/time release but on back says nutrients are time release[in small print] but not how long they last. NO extra ANYTHING given to the plant.

Plant: 5 weeks into veg (approx.). Height is approx 4.5-5inches tall.

Problem:
Some of the older leafs are crispy feeling? What could be the cause? Is the run-off water being yellow related?(or is that also another problem or nothing to worry about?)

I just watered last night (after about two days of the soil being dry)...
Today I noticed the older leaves are droopy and the end is curled. I touched one and it sorta "chipped" the very tip of it :(
The newer leaves seem fine to me (knock-on-wood)

Anyone? :)

I don't feel comfortable furnishing any advice without some sort of pictures to let me see what you are referring to.

Maybe someone else can help without them? :thumbsup:

Oh sorry, I will get pics up asap.

Here are some pics! :)
5 WEEKS AND 1 DAY (approx. time in since it came out of the soil. Still in veg)
Leaves perked up a bit and are not as droopy as before.(watered last night)

And a few moree.... :thumbsup:

I am at a loss here, poker. The plant generally looks healthy but the crispy leaf is throwing me for a loop. Hopefully someone else will happen along this thread and have some advice for you to follow.

Are the CFL's too close to the leaves and possibly overheating or burning them?

I will take a stab at this for ya. From the pictures, your plant does look healthy, however the end of the leaves doing the "ram horn" is a sign of nute burn. Also, if your leaves are "crispy" to the touch, that is a sign of heat issues.

GTD

@GreenThumbDoc your nute burn theory may be very correct because there is one leaf from before that had a little spot or two (little!) that lead to me to believe it was nute burn. That I don't know what to do about because the nutes are in the soil, Miracle Grow....any ideas on getting around that?

And about the lights maybe burning the leaves.. you can see in the picture how I have them setup. Do you think I should raise the lights up some?

@Lynhal Thats for trying. And good to hear it "looks healthy" :jointsmile:I am also confused because I have never dealt with this issue. (first grow)

Maybe try to fill troubleshooting form to get a proper help?
For nuteburn as an idea, you can use distilled or deionized water only or you can mix it with tap water, that will lower the nutrient absorbency. After you see the new healthy leaves, you can start giving back normal water.

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Originally Posted by tevfik

Maybe try to fill troubleshooting form to get a proper help?
For nuteburn as an idea, you can use distilled or deionized water only or you can mix it with tap water, that will lower the nutrient absorbency. After you see the new healthy leaves, you can start giving back normal water.

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Here Ya Go!:)

What is your experience level? first timer

Your Equipment:
1) Type and wattage of lights. CFL(six) 4 bright white, 4 soft white. 23w equivalent to 100w
Distance from tops? Approx 3inchds
.3) Reflector type?None
.4) Is there a consistent fresh air supply? No air circulation in the go room to out of the grow room or vise-vera.
.5) Do you have an exhaust fan and a circulation fan?Fan circulating
6) What are the bulb wattages, kelvin ratings, and schedule? 100w (6 cfls) =600w? ......time is 18/6 (on/off)

Your medium:
7) Specific brand and type of soil, (coco, peat based soilless...) and anything you've added to it. (vermiculite, perlite, worm castings...)"Miracle Grow Potting Soil"
.8) Size of container.Not sure :( (see pictures above for an idea)
.9) Did you use peat pucks (or similar) to root clones or germinate seedlings?
No Folded two paper towels to germinate, then put in soil.

Your nutrients and water:
10) Source of water? (tap, bottled or filtered) What's it's ph before adjusting?[/COLOR]
Filtered water, put into a huge jug and left in my room. No way to check ph:(
11)Method of checking water ph. (ph pen, test strips, aquarium test kit...
No way to check ph:(
12) Method of adjusting water ph. (phosphoric acid, white vinegar, hydrated lime, PH Up...)
No method to change ph:(
13) Specific brand and N-P-K ratio for each bottle. List dosages (quantity per gallon) and current feeding schedule.
No nutes given yet!
14) How often are you watering between feedings, and how much per watering?
About every 3 or so days. I check the soil with my finger from the top and from the drainage hole, if there is no moisture on my finger after touching soil I will water
15) Any additives or tea's? (Superthrive, CalMag, molasses, Mother's Earth...)
no.
16) Are your ph levels stable, or do they fluctuate?
No way to check ph:(
17) What is your ingoing water's ph? ...your runoff ph?
No way to check ph:(... runoff water has a yellow tinge, don't know why?
18) Do you foliar feed? If so, with what, how often, and at what time do you spray?
Don't know what it is and don't do it.

Your growroom:
19) Indoors or outdoors?
Indoor
20) What size of closet, room or hut?
10ft wide, 4ft deep, 15ft high (appro. numbers)
21) What are the temps and humidity levels while lights are on? ...With lights off?
Lights on:27degrees C 80 degrees F ...ranged from (23-29 degrees C though)
Lights off:no sure :(
22) Have you seen signs of insects in the growroom?
Not that I know of. :) (knock-on-wood)

Your strain:
23) What strain are you growing? (Indica dominate or Sativa dom?)
Bubba Kush (Bubblegum x OGkush) 80/20 (indica/sativa), indica dominate
24) From seeds or clones?
Seeds
25) Is this an autoflower strain?
No, it's not.
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Here I give my thoughts.
I know you're doing good on this. And I understand every concerns of yours from the very beginning. You've been dealing with things from the beginning and you want to be very careful after all.
Now first, this plant looks healthy. May not be %100 perfect but not worse either.
I will suggest something to you. Not too hard to do.
Supply some fresh air first of all.
I know how these bulbs give heat. Move the hot air out from there. Place a fan over the bulbs and send the hot air out from the cabinet. By doing this you'll have passive intake and fresh air in the cabinet. Place a fan to the bulbs to keep them cold and push the hot air to exhaust fan. You don't need to move your lights up if you keep them cool (Or the cabinet).
Air change is much more important than air circulation. (When you change the air it will circulate anyway) So use your circulation fan/s for these purposes.

I didn't like those purple smileys on the form I must tell. There are many and most of them can be gone for $2. Get the cheapest PH meter if you can't afford a digital one. PH strips or PH solutions. They're cheap and will do work for you. Aquarium shops or garden stores must have them. You may not have any PH issue at the moment but you may get it for future. Prepare.

Other things:
What is filtered water? How do you filter?
Do you spray water on leaves?


Get proper answers, confirmations before act. Right now you're not in a hurry.

Ph strips - the cheapest I found were $15+tax, so I'm going to wait a bit.

I don't know how to tell you what I mean by filtered water but it comes out of my fridge so it's not tap, and it's very clean?..supposed to be:)

The fan thats in the cabinet blows at the girly ;) and at the lights. If I open the cabinet door (during the day) and leave the fan circulating at the side would that be fine? (and then close the cabinet at night [to keep it completely dark.])

Ph strips
Only $0.99 on ebay. Search for "ph strips" you'll find many. If you don't want to wait a month look for your own online shops.
I have these strips and also have some narrow range soil PH solutions from a hardware store for $3.50 Able to get soil PH directly and the water as well.

Water
Is that the water from air? If so, it has nothing inside, plants will not be able absorb nutrients with that water. And, it is not good to use them without boiling if I'm not mistaken That is similar to distilled water and you need to use callmag with it. (I don't know the details about this, I may be mistaken)

Fan
Best use is: leave the door open, make an exhaust exit on the opposite side to the door, point/attach the fan to the exhaust. At night close the door but not completely, leave just a little open (enough for air but not enough for strong light leak.), don't close the exhaust.
However you do, change all the air in every 3 minutes, day and night.

PH Strips:
Thanks for that ebay note, I'll check that out for sure!

Water: So would I be better off using tap water that has been sitting out for a few days? Should I boil that tap water, then cool it down or leave it til room temp before using?

Fan:
I will have to look into that for the future. Going to have to improvise for the time being.

-I don't want to get anything to confusing, too many chemicals etc, or spend too much more money than I already have. This is my first grow, just wanted to experience a successful grow:jointsmile::) If I may try a second grow if this one is successful then I will upgrade my stuff, change grow room location, exhaust fans, nutes/fertz, ph up/down solutions etc, better lighting and so on. But that's for me to think about laterrr.

Yes, use the tap water. Watch new grows after first watering, if you see nuteburn next time mix tap water with your "filtered" water. I had highly nutrient soil, I started with deionized water. After a week or so, I used 1:1 tap:deionized. After a week or so, I used only tap water. They were just fine.

I'm not saying go buy PH pen, up/down solutions and other things which are not really necessary for a cabinet in the very first place.
If you want a successful grow you should have air change. Check for PC fans on ebay or local shops. They're cheap and effective for CFLs. You just need one or two PC fans an adapter to run them. If you don't afford $10 on them, you may risking all your expenses for this grow. I got my first fans from a second hand shop. 4 fans in total only for $5. And some adapters for them. Didn't cost more than $10 in total. This way I experienced and learned. Then went to a PC shop, bought better ones, and still I'm using them.

These can be found on ebay or local stores, good and effective for exhaust use and no light leaks. They called "system blower"
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Yeah I know you're not saying I should go out and buy all that, but I was just saying.

Water:
I will try what you said for sure.

Fans:
I will look around for two or three fans like the ones you gave pics of.

Thanks :D

just a quik $.02 , has there bin a big fluctuation in humidity ? i have seen this from time to time when conditions change rapidly or plants are moved from one environment to another.. ill try ta check back,, HB

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Originally Posted by poker2

Here are some pics! :)
5 WEEKS AND 1 DAY (approx. time in since it came out of the soil. Still in veg)
Leaves perked up a bit and are not as droopy as before.(watered last night)

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hi m8ty the crispy leave could be the light little bit too close i put a load of new lighting in the g/room nite be4 last ive just been giving them a once over and noticed on one branch two leaves are very close to one of the side lighting
cfl bulbs and the two of the leaves have not changed color dont really look burnt but wen i touch them its like there starting to crisp ive dipped the leaves in a bit of water just to soak them for a sec

this might not be the problem with your's but its another option
also with the extra lighting i done more sealing around the doors to g/room to cut down lite leak and thimk i staved them from oxegen i think is was tevfik who suggested open door for a bit well have just done this i think it will help
GOOD luck m8

Quote:

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Originally Posted by poker2

Here are some pics! :)
5 WEEKS AND 1 DAY (approx. time in since it came out of the soil. Still in veg)
Leaves perked up a bit and are not as droopy as before.(watered last night)

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hi m8ty the crispy leave could be the light little bit too close i put a load of new lighting in the g/room nite be4 last ive just been giving them a once over and noticed on one branch two leaves are very close to one of the side lighting
cfl bulbs and the two of the leaves have not changed color dont really look burnt but wen i touch them its like there starting to crisp ive dipped the leaves in a bit of water just to soak them for a sec

this might not be the problem with your's but its another option
also with the extra lighting i done more sealing around the doors to g/room to cut down lite leak and think i starved them from oxygen i think is was tevfik who suggested open door for a bit well have just done this i think it will help
GOOD luck m8

^ Yep, I have more door open here and there for circulation now. And as for the lighting that is what I am thinking is the cause of the "crispy'ness"

After posting/reading, I moved the lights another approx 2 inches away and now the leaves seem a bit better (knock-on-wood). I will keep and eye on it and see what happens :):jointsmile:

Tap water is usually north of 7pH so that is most likely the problem. You need a way to lower the pH and monitor it.