Tiki's Master Kush Project

For this log I am going to be starting out with the testing of some early sex identification "myths".

The first is that female seeds have a different shape than males. (I can not remember who posted this first, or I would give credit.)
The second has to do with early signs of color. This theory comes to us thanks of WashougalWonder. :thumbsup: Here is the link to the original thread. http://boards.cannabis.com/advanced-...female-id.html

The seeds are Master Kush from White Label. My plan is to pop four beans, and have two female and two male. Then choose the best two and breed for seeds. :smokin:
I sorted through my seeds and have chosen two that clearly have a nice sized "volcano". The other two are almost completely filled in. I would post a pic of this, but my camera couldn't pick it up. :(
They have been marked, separated, and are currently soaking in ph'ed tap water. Tomorrow they will be planted into 16oz party cups. :rastabanna:

Wooohooo! Sign me up! --Emmie :thumbsup:

Glad to have you along for the ride emilya.
I have been tagging along on your grow myself. :jointsmile:

Here's a thought.

In da land of long ago, all weed had seed.
We would de'seed da weed by schlooping it up an incline and letting the seeds roll down.
Shirt box lids were ideal, double phonograph album covers worked too.

The thought?
If we are hunting the rounder seeds, the first roll outs will be the roundest, yah?
I suggest this roll-down as a pre-sort for female seeds.

All that said, this round hole hypothosis is probably bunk.
There are too many environmental influences for this to be cut-an-dried reliable.
But, futzin' around wit' it keeps me out of da pool hall.;)

I did plant one round and one not-so-round hole, last run, and I did get one female and one male,
Happenstance!

Got 4 more coming up 3 round, one oval.
If I get 3 females and one male, could still just be luck, yah?

A 1000 seed test would get my attention.
Wish I had the resources to do dat.

Guess we'll have to settle for 250 growers trying this 4 plants at a whack.:thumbsup:

Aloha Tikiroom,
Mahalo fo' doin' dis.

Weezard

Aloha Weezard,

That is a great idea for presorting your seeds. :thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by Weezard

Guess we'll have to settle for 250 growers trying this 4 plants at a whack.:thumbsup:

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That's what I figured needs to happen to see if there is any merit in this. So I decided to log it, and hopefully this inspires others to do the same. Maybe eventually we could get a census on what all the constant variables are. :hippy:

yeah...hurry up and do this...otherwise, I have to do it in Febuary...:jointsmile:

I average 55% female using standard seeds.

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Originally Posted by Weezard

A 1000 seed test would get my attention. Wish I had the resources to do dat.

Guess we'll have to settle for 250 growers trying this 4 plants at a whack.:thumbsup:

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Yanno Weez, you may have hit on a great point. There are a bunch of really good dutch seed breeders with the resources to do a successful experiment with this. I wonder if Arjan from GHS would be interested in such an undertaking for the sake of the buds he loves? :question: Oh wait a minute, they just busted him at the last Cannabis Cup and I am not sure of the circumstances being that the Dutch are very closed-mouthed about arrests in that part of the globe. :rolleyes:

I still would like to ask him if he could help out for the sake of us all ... :thumbsup:

Today all of the seeds have sank to the bottom of their cups. :D

For germination and seedling stage I will be using Miracle-Gro Seed Starter Potting Mix. Amended with 25% perlite. 3 scoops mix to one scoop perlite.
Did the mention of MG make any of you cringe?? I know it's not the best, but that's what I have to work with until it's time to re-pot. :cool:

All of the cups got sterilized with Physan 20 (Thanks to LOC NAR for telling me about this stuff.) and rinsed with water. After that they all got filled the MG/perlite mix. I then flushed with 6.5ph tap water until the runoff was at 6.4ph.
It took 80oz. of water each to bring the runoff from 6.0ph to 6.4ph. :eek:

The filled and flushed cups sat out for about an hour, and then I planted the seeds using a method to be able to check the roots. This came to us courtesy of Dutch Pimp. :greenthumb: Here's a link to the post. http://boards.cannabis.com/basic-gro...ml#post2170640
I am also using one more cup as a humidity dome until the sprouts are above ground.

My code for the ID tag is:
MK = Master Kush
# = Plant designation
S = Sex Identification from seed shape
C = Sex Identification from seedling coloration
A = Actual sex of plant

You will not see the ID tags again until all assumptions are made on the coloring. This is because I am going to want everyone's opinion on the identification from coloring. Not allowing you to see the seed prediction should help to get an unbiased opinion. :thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by tikiroom

You will not see the ID tags again until all assumptions are made on the coloring. This is because I am going to want everyone's opinion on the identification from coloring. Not allowing you to see the seed prediction should help to get an unbiased opinion. :thumbsup:

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Sure, be a big, fat freaking tease, TR! lmao :stoned: Count me in for the long haul! :thumbsup:

subscribed! :cool:

This afternoon will be five days since the seeds were planted. There are no signs of sprouts yet.
Temp and soil moisture both are good, so I'm just having to practice my patience at the moment.

That's about it as far as an update goes, just wanted to put something here so you all know I'm not abandoning this thread. :thumbsup:

Five days?! It has never taken mine that long but it could be the strain or conditions?

Best of luck on your sprouters! :)

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Originally Posted by tikiroom

Aloha Weezard,

That is a great idea for presorting your seeds. :thumbsup:


That's what I figured needs to happen to see if there is any merit in this. So I decided to log it, and hopefully this inspires others to do the same. Maybe eventually we could get a census on what all the constant variables are. :hippy:

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Now I want my weed to have seeds... I wanna see them roll,too!:D

You beat me to the punch, I was gonna do a control grow using this piece of literature. I am however, using they theory that exposing a seed to ethylene gas for 2 weeks prior to germanation increases the female ratio substantially. We will see!

GTD

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Originally Posted by GreenThumbDoc

I am however, using they theory that exposing a seed to ethylene gas for 2 weeks prior to germanation increases the female ratio substantially. We will see!

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Hi GTD, I was wondering where you heard/read that ethylene gas will increase the fem. population of your plants?

Thanks! :)

This is interesting. However the real question is:
Can gender be determined through phenotype in relation to cannabis seeds?
If you can answer this I will fly out to where you live, and give you a foot massage, or just follow you around on the Internet like a troll calling you my "master" for about a week.



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Originally Posted by Lynhal

Hi GTD, I was wondering where you heard/read that ethylene gas will increase the fem. population of your plants?

Thanks! :)

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Here is the link, enjoy the read. I tend to lend credibility to this article as it is a scientific paper.

Robert A. Nelson: Hemp Husbandry ~ Botany & Breeding (Ch 4)

Treatment of hempseed with ethylene gas will increase the resulting number of female plants by about 50%. Ethylene is produced by certain plants (i.e., bananas, cucumbers and melons), and these can be used to treat hempseed in a simple manner. About two weeks before you plan to sprout the seeds, place them in a paper bag or envelope and put that in a plastic bag with the peels of a ripening banana or cucumber. Replace the peels after a couple of days, and change the bags to prevent mold.
Hempseed can be feminized while they are forming on the plant. Fruit peels are spread around the area for two weeks before the plants enter the flowering phase. Remove the skins when the plants begin to flower. Otherwise, treatment with Etephon will accomplish the same effect.
When hempseed is treated with the female hormone estrogen, percentage of females that are produced will increase by about 10%. Dissolve a birth control pill in water and soak the seeds overnight in the solution. After the initial soaking, continue to treat the seeds by sprouting them on a paper towel soaked in the solution.

GTD

Thanks for answering GTD. Those are some really interesting tactics. I might have to try one or two. ;)

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just checkin you out tiki, :thumbsup: interesting thread already. I like!

Well I just can't get these seeds to germinate. I have tried them in a couple different environments and no success yet. :mad:

I am giving these one last shot. They are currently on top of the cable box with the paper towel method.

I find it hard to believe that all four of these beans are not viable.
Has anyone had any problems with White Label seeds before?

germed fine same method paper towle i only use PT

My last go round (first in over a decade) with beans was DJ Short "Vanilluna" and Nirvana "White Widow"

I used Paper towel method, took about a week and a half to get my first taproots,.... patience my friend.

Well those four beans still have not shown any signs of germinating. :mad:
I also tried two more seeds. One showed promise of cracking open, but then nothing.
It appears that I have some bunk seeds. :(

I do have four more of these seeds. My plan is to buy a propagator with a controlled heating mat when I have some extra cash. Give them one last shot.

As for this thread it is dead.
Sorry for the let down folks, but shit happens.