Nodes growing out then die?

Well this clone, now a big ass plant is doing the same thing as it did outside. Some growth looks fine, but other newer growth from the stems grow out and die. Now the original plant from seed did not grow this way, but it was re vegged and this clone was taken before it, the re veg got sick. The lower area of the plant is so thick even tho iv been trimming some of the leave growth that has ravaged by mites away. For what we can see the mites are under control, but you can see the outlined yellowing on the leaves. Its gotta be a deficiency that is getting better, but i worry about the new growth that is coming out and then just goes dead.

Iv done everything i can with this plant and is now in 12/12 for a week, give or take the days i messed up the timer. Any advise that could help this plant look a bit more healthy 0r ideas why nodes are dying, if there nodes, i believe they are. Its just that the way the nodes are so close is what it looked like growing outside, which i thought might grow into big ass colas. But no, it got a fungus, but not before i took this clone. 5 months to get this plant healthy enough to flower, id just like to know if i should give it chuck out the door and just forget about it. Im just frustrated as this plant produces some of the best meds iv ever had:thumbsup:

Any input would be great, i might be paranoid, but a lot of work and cash kept this thing alive. But its just to big now so buds i want buds....



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She looks a little N deficient, Perhaps slight nute lockout causing that. Or root bound? Don't know man, just tossing that out there, the top of the pot in the first pic seems a bit small for that much plant.


What do you mean nodes start growing out but then die? Got a closeup of what your trying to describe?

Agree with CW on all

Maybe, since it was ravaged by mites, and it was in the reveg state, it didn't get to complete the reveg cycle. I know mine that are clones from a plant in the third week of outdoor flowering are similar to yours in shape, and I have some yellowing. My yellowing is the old growth from the regrowth cycle. the regrowth cycle starts out just like a new plant. One leaflet, then the tri-leaflet, 5, 7, 9, etc. (Marijuana Botany, RC Clarke, pp 7 Pre-floral Phyllotaxy) So, some of your yellowing could be from that. The new growth on mine is nice and normal. :twocent:

sounds like it is sick with desise, things like this I usualy elminate, instead of quarentin. no need to jepordise the whole room if it is that bad. I cant see anything in the pics but I belive you if you say theri is something theri, theri is somehting theri.

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sounds like it is sick with desise, things like this I usualy elminate, instead of quarentin. no need to jepordise the whole room if it is that bad. I cant see anything in the pics but I belive you if you say theri is something theri, theri is somehting theri.

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The fungus was seen after the clone was taken, i do know shes root bound for sure. Was trying to get through flower without a re pot, but i think the way its growing in this first week, it will cause major problems down the road.

I am waiting for some calibration solution to get my pen checked out. The Ph was high last time we checked it and im sure there are issues, but what you see was much worse. I have flushed her and have been on the mites from day one so this plant has been through a lot. I just want to end the space shes in and hopefully get some buds from her, its crazy great smoke. Then il trim her down to re veg outside, just need to put it in a good hiding spot. Damn thieves know my grow area now, but i thought about putting something there with some pay back in and around the plant, lol. I have a tent on the way so il be growing in it from now on, veg a few in this fridge box i have, its a small one my daughter took to college, but the box will be perfect for clones and mom's.

I have never seen a plant grow with these many bud sites other then this plants mother that was grown outside. But this clone is taking after its mother, this is my worry. The mother grew out bud sites, which made the plants branches look like they the buds would be massive, but just never developed. Now the clone here has not been infected with the fungus like the mother, which never made it. I will have a better idea when my pen is calibrated and a re pot i really didn't want to mess with, but if i can keep her healthy the better yield il get. I think im a bit paranoid, only because the work i put into her to get her healthy, plus the great pain meds she gives.

Thanks for stopin in everyone:rasta:

I think Canawhatsis is on the right track.

The buffering in (most) potting mixes lasts about 2 months or so, and she does look too big for her pot. Likely it's time to transplant. You might even consider another root trim, but only as a last resport. (if no larger pot is available)

Did you repeat the mite spray about a week after the first? Any egg cases not killed with the initial spray will sill hatch, and the damage can continue. Be sure to rinse-off the spray after treatments. (the next day should be fine)

Once you take 'em outside, I'd make sure the plants are not in a depression (or 'bowl') so the excess rainwater won't flow twords the plant, but away from it. Perhaps a rock-lined hole, but keep the plant in a 15 gallon pot. (half-buried in the rock-lined hole)

Sure hope you find a nice quiet spot this time. It was heartbreaking watching your plight last summer.

Hey LetsSeeYa,

Was wondering what the payback method is? Possibly poison oak all around it?

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I think Canawhatsis is on the right track.

The buffering in (most) potting mixes lasts about 2 months or so, and she does look too big for her pot. Likely it's time to transplant. You might even consider another root trim, but only as a last resport. (if no larger pot is available)

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Rusty, im glad ya popped in guy. This is the clone taken from that NL#5 iv been trying to baby back to health. It is much better and is now in 12/12. I knew it was root bound, or close to it and was re potted about a month ago, gotta look into that. Plant will be put into 5gal tonight, which being in 12/12 should get her through. Of course it will be re vegged and il try it again outside.

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Did you repeat the mite spray about a week after the first? Any egg cases not killed with the initial spray will sill hatch, and the damage can continue. Be sure to rinse-off the spray after treatments. (the next day should be fine)

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The plant was checked every other day and sprayed at that time. Also 2 no pest bug strips were in the area, which is not big, under stair way. This i knew to not stop as these damn things have come back on to many people so iv been on it from day one and still spray the top of the soil, then remove it 2 days later to keep eggs at bay. But i never did rinse off the plant ever, so i guess il get that done tonight. Right now its all looking like a dead plant. I gave a bit of water to make it to re pot tonight. It will be fine after re pot, its my fault, but i thought the last re pot would do it and used my biggest pot. But that plant wasn't ready IMO to be put into 12/12 and the thing just continued to grow. Now to big for the area and much healthier so i tried to get through without a re pt, but nope.

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Once you take 'em outside, I'd make sure the plants are not in a depression (or 'bowl') so the excess rainwater won't flow twords the plant, but away from it. Perhaps a rock-lined hole, but keep the plant in a 15 gallon pot. (half-buried in the rock-lined hole)

Sure hope you find a nice quiet spot this time. It was heartbreaking watching your plight last summer.

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Yeah Rusty, i really dont think id grow a plant to not re veg it, just such a waste. Plus waiting for seeds to pop are like watching paint dry. And yeah i would never plant in my grow area as im sure the thieves will be back. So i will grow something they will not miss. They will take it and il plant some place other then there for a few years. But il make some plans that will teach them a good lesson. Im going to find me a bee hive, ha ha. They cant say i put it there and will think its just bad luck. I dont want them to think its me that tried to get them back, they could cause big issues with one call, but running into bee's is not my problem. I am thinking that once the plant is big enough il be reading how to make a bee hive, there's gotta be a way to attract them, the field is filled with them. But then after the plant is big enough for me to leave it alone, then il build a hive in the plant, i got the seed that will grow a big sativa, which will hold the hive. A camera may be there to post the revenge here. Lets hope it works:thumbsup:

But one thing im worried about is the growth near the top as it looks just as its mother did. Almost as its trying to stay in veg as i see flowers growing, yet they did not ever develop into buds. If you look at the top branch growth you will see bud sites growing very close as it looks like giant colas will grow. But the mother never grew this way, but could be the issues the mother had, still unsure. This clone was taken when the mother was perfectly healthy.

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Hey LetsSeeYa,

Was wondering what the payback method is? Possibly poison oak all around it?

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Buzzzzzzzz ha ha:thumbsup:



Thanks everyone:rasta:

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Originally Posted by canniwhatsis

She looks a little N deficient, Perhaps slight nute lockout causing that. Or root bound? Don't know man, just tossing that out there, the top of the pot in the first pic seems a bit small for that much plant.


What do you mean nodes start growing out but then die? Got a closeup of what your trying to describe?

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My bad bro's it was last re potted 2 months ago Dec. 25th so the re pot tonight will get her up. But man this thing is growing so fast, im going to have to tie the branches up. Its getting really huge, i should have known.

Oh and not nodes, my bad, it looks like pistils that grow out, but turn brown. Same as mom, but looking over her again it wasnt as bad and over all growth is massive. If ya got 50 percent above ya got 50 percent under the plant so re pot should have been done long ago. Time flys trying to fix your fav. strain.

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Well she looks better in this 5 gal bucket, its something i grew a plant in last summer and did well, but solen:( So before it was re potted, because of the late re pot it ran outta water and killed a lot of leaves, but she looks much better. This is never going to happen again as my tent is on my porch, hell yeah:thumbsup:Oh and this is 6 days after re pot into 5 gal.

But, the title of the thread was wrong, my bad. What im talking about is the spurs coming from the main stems and dying off? I saw this when the plant was re vegged outside so of course im worried. I have spent to much cash on this sweet heart to let her die or funk up and hermy. This thing has been through hell, but just keeps growing. Has anyone seen this, or has any ideas of what might be happening here? You can see this best in the second pic.

Also iv got the same sorta bud growth going on. It looks like the sites are so close, they will just grow together to give me big colas, but outside the growth just never finished. This is what im worried about now. If anyone has any ideas, i would as always appreciate it? Of course maybe the growth did not finish outside, because it was infected by some virus, but im getting the same type of growth:(

Feeding 1 tbsp grow........Earth Juice line
2 tbsp bloom
Meta-K 1/2 tsp
Friday Fossil Fuel Reg Feeding

This will be second week in 12/12

Thanks again for any input:rasta:

Yeah it only a temp set up to flower this plant and retire the space. My tent is here so all others will go into the tent till this plant it finished. I had some problems and needed to re pot the plant so im thinking this plant has been in 12/12 for 2 weeks. The bud growth concerns me, but if it keeps this up more then two more weeks il whack it down:mad:. I have nursed it back to health with lots of time and energy so i hope she works herself out.

Not sure if ya all have had NL, but its one of my favorite's, great pain relief:thumbsup:

But still wondering about the dying small spurs growing from the main stems? If its going to not let the plant bud up, then i just need to move the lights into my tent. My outdoor is gone, well iv been picking in some trim bags i have, lol. Helps, but i want this plant to bud up for me big time. If it does grow into big colas, il tie her to the walls and ceiling to keep them up, if the bud growth will connect. Because there are a ton of sites on the plant.





Thanks for any input:rasta:

Don't worry, just ensure you've got adequate airflow around the plant. Make sure you've got enough aeration for your soil and keep up with what you're doing, everything is looking okay and well recovering.

Also, I highly suggest neem - spidermites over here got immune to the hot shot no pest strips. FIVE in a single 2x3x4.5 mom closet and still had them until I neemed the whole thing.

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Don't worry, just ensure you've got adequate airflow around the plant. Make sure you've got enough aeration for your soil and keep up with what you're doing, everything is looking okay and well recovering.

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Great man:thumbsup:i have a fan on her that blows right on her, but its not whipping it around. Its small and does the job. We got perlite mixed well in there as im not used to growing in such large pots. So drainage was important to me from go:thumbsup:

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Also, I highly suggest neem - spidermites over here got immune to the hot shot no pest strips. FIVE in a single 2x3x4.5 mom closet and still had them until I neemed the whole thing.

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Yep i do need neem for sure. I had got that other product that really helped with the mites and that strip should have already taken down, its not even active as its been there a couple months. But ever thing going into my tent will have neem on them, dont want to bring them up here, i have not seen any at all yet, but will be diligent always from now on to look for them on every plant.

Still wondering about the dead spurs on the main stems?



Thanks bro:rasta:

So i have this pic that shows the dead growth, which only appears on the main stems. I posted this question, because the growth that is dying off i dont think are pistils:wtf:leave growth maybe, not sure. But its only on the main stems and other growth is growing well and new pistils are coming out like crazy.

Anyone have any ideas that might be causing this as the plant went through a lot, but doing well now. Any thoughts, i would sure appreciate:thumbsup:

Booted:wtf:



Thanks:rasta:

Looks like flowers that are dead there,..... My mothers will do that, the calyx of the flower will swell up, then die off after a while. :wtf: If this was happening in vege I'd call it normal...... I wouldn't be too worried about it unless it continues with the lights at 12/12.


Thanks for those last couple posts,... really helped clear up the question in my head.

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Looks like flowers that are dead there,..... My mothers will do that, the calyx of the flower will swell up, then die off after a while. :wtf: If this was happening in vege I'd call it normal...... I wouldn't be too worried about it unless it continues with the lights at 12/12.


Thanks for those last couple posts,... really helped clear up the question in my head.

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Thanks for looking in Canni:thumbsup:so im wondering if it might be the age of the plant. This was a clone from that re vegged plant that got the fungus. But this clone was taken before i had issues with the plant. But it was taken from a plant that makes this clone over a year old or so. Its only on the main stems, which is fine as new pistils are popping out every place and are healthy. New if these die il be pissed, but she's looking nice now. Im just glad someone has seen these before and did not cause problems.:thumbsup:

I will try to get pics of her with buds beginning to growing:hippy:




Thanks again Canni:rasta:

Ok. Since this is getting nowhere, (I was hoping someone had a quick idea, b'cuz I have no clue) how about filling-out the troubleshooting form, and see if we can notice anything, or connect the dots...?

To me, it appears like something is either blocking the transfer of nutrients to the petiole's, something is going up-n-down the stem chomping at the petiole base (are leaves missing or munched, or do they just fade away?) or the plant has a disease that come with the plant.

Is the base of the petiole have the normal splay where it attaches to the stalk, or has it been munched? Are the attach points on the nodes themselves a 'normal' color, or are there viens of discoloration travelling up or down the stalk?

Would help to know if you added or subtracted any nutrient or additive up to two weeks or so fefore the leaves started jumping-ship.

Did you change or alter the soils between transplants?

Does this happen to every stalk, or is it 'branch-specific'?

How many generations of this particular plant has this clone seen? Perhaps it's just 'tuckerd-out'.

Tiz about all I can think of without going over schedules and growroom conditions. Hopefully, it's not something that can travel from one plant to the next.

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Ok. Since this is getting nowhere, (I was hoping someone had a quick idea, b'cuz I have no clue) how about filling-out the troubleshooting form, and see if we can notice anything, or connect the dots...?

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This info was all in October, but bold is in the last couple months.

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To me, it appears like something is either blocking the transfer of nutrients to the petiole's, something is going up-n-down the stem chomping at the petiole base (are leaves missing or munched, or do they just fade away?) or the plant has a disease that come with the plant.

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There is no sign of mites now, no bad leaves or munch marks. Used SNS-217
and alchol for large bunches. Also two no pest strips, but the SNS-217 is what i believe really killed off the mites and there eggs, good stuff and it was free.

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Is the base of the petiole have the normal splay where it attaches to the stalk, or has it been munched? Are the attach points on the nodes themselves a 'normal' color, or are there viens of discoloration travelling up or down the stalk?

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There is no munching at this time. There are viens running up the main stems only, but this plants mother grew this way and this was before any sickness of mother plant. So it seemed like a normal thing with this plant.

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Would help to know if you added or subtracted any nutrient or additive up to two weeks or so fefore the leaves started jumping-ship.

Did you change or alter the soils between transplants?

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I am using Earth Jucie Grow, Bloom, Meta-K and every Friday or Saturday I give one gallon of Fossil Fuel. Mother plant grow this way, but clone was taken before any issues started at least i think. The soil is same brand, i like it ok, just needed to add perlite, but getting a different soil for Purples, which are filling up their cups now so soon they will be re potted soon with FF.

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Does this happen to every stalk, or is it 'branch-specific'?

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How many generations of this particular plant has this clone seen? Perhaps it's just 'tuckerd-out'.

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Tiz about all I can think of without going over schedules and growroom conditions. Hopefully, it's not something that can travel from one plant to the next.

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Its only happening on the main stems, the other growth is great with none of the new pistils affected. This is the only clone that made it. So it would be over a year old. And yeah, i was thinking it might be age or hoping maybe.

This is the only plant in the grow area and after its finished everything will be grown in my tent.



What is your experience level? (first timer, novice, experienced...) novice

Your Equipment:
.1) Type and wattage of lights. (MH, HPS, CFL's, tube fluorescents, LED's)CFL'S-2 150w led bars.
2) Distance from tops?Hand method, or 2-4''. About 2'
3) Reflector type? (cool tube set-up, bat wing, enclosed reflector, bare bulb...)Hook light w/ 426wat cfl's-None with LED'S.
4) Is there a consistent fresh air supply?Yea-Not able in this place.
5) Do you have an exhaust fan and a circulation fan?no exhaust
.6) What are the bulb wattages, kelvin ratings, and schedule?4 26 watters. 2 150W led Bar's24/0 light cycleYour medium: 12/12 Dirt.
7) Specific brand and type of soil, (coco, peat based soilless...) and anything you've added to it. (vermiculite, perlite, worm castings...)Garden Magic from nursery plus perlite.
.8) Size of container.3 liter. 5 gallon.
9) Did you use peat pucks (or similar) to root clones or germinate seedlings?
No, taken from outside before flowering started
Your nutrients and water:
10) Source of water? (tap, bottled or filtered) What's it's Ph before adjusting?Tap 7.2
11) Method of checking water ph. (ph pen, test strips, aquarium test kit...)ph pen
12) Method of adjusting water ph. (phosphoric acid, white vinegar, hydrated lime, PH Up...)Nutes knock it down to 6.7
13) Specific brand and N-P-K ratio for each bottle. List dosages (quantity per gallon) and current feeding schedule.6-4-4 Fox Farm GROW BIG. I water when needed and alternate ferts. 2 tsp per gal. Using Earth Juice Grow, Bloom, Meta-k with plain water in between and Fossil Fuel on Friday or Saturday.
14) How often are you watering between feedings, and how much per watering?[B]About every other day, depends on pot weight. Water till run off/B]
15) Any additives or tea's? (Superthrive, CalMag, molasses, Mother's Earth...)Nope
16) Are your ph levels stable, or do they fluctuate?Stays at around 6.7-6.8 I am waiting for 7.0 buffer
17) What is your ingoing water's ph? ...your runoff ph?6.7. not sure
18) Do you foliar feed? If so, with what, how often, and at what time do you spray?No

Your growroom:
19) Indoors or outdoors?Indoors
20) What size of closet, room or hut?8'x3' under stairway
21) What are the temps and humidity levels while lights are on? ...With lights off?Not sure, i re-potted 3 weeks ago and in the middle of moving room to new location. So im only trying to keep her alive an put some size on her for when new set up is finished
22) Have you seen signs of insects in the growroom?Non. Mites under control nowYour strain: NL#5 Clone
23) What strain are you growing? (Indica dominate or Sativa dom?)Sativa
24) From seeds or clones?Clone
25) Is this an autoflower strain?No

In 5 gal pot now

Thanks for stopping Rusty:thumbsup:



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Just a couple things I noticed...

I use humic acid once a month as an additive. I tried using it weekly, but plants stunted and root growth was greatly accelerated, (rootbound issues started showing) so I use it only after my monthly flush.

Potassium sulfate (Meta-K) can build-up and can potentially alter (raise) ph if overdone. What hapepns if you don't use the Meta-K?

At what point do the leaves start falling off? Early growth phase, late growth phase, at the start of flowering...?

Do you flush...? If so, how often and how much?

What do the roots smell like?

Are your nutrients over a year old?

Dirt? Dirt is what you clean from under your fingernails. I'm guessing you meant soil...? (you're not using ANY dirt from your fields, are you) :wtf:

If it is a disease, cloning won't help. I would strip my additives, and go with the basics only.
Why the two different nutrients manufacturers? Try just one, as they may be interracting negatively with each other. At least this way, you can see if maybe it's something you're adding. But if it hasn't been affecting other plants and strains, doubtful that's it.

During the winter, I feed set ammounts (quantities) weekly, and water to slight runoff inbetween if necessary. That way I can look at the plant(s) on the next feeding day, and know how much or how little of the nutrient mix to add that week.

So i thought i would put a few pic's up of this plant iv been nursing. It looks much better if you have been following along and seen the previous pic's.

I have stop the Fossil Fuel and have been feeding the Earth Juice Grow and Bloom at this time. I have cut down little by little with the Grow and have been increasing the Bloom. I am not to full strength with the Bloom yet and still need to get the last of the Earth Juice line, which is used the last 2 weeks of flowering. But im not sure if il get it or not as iv tried to get everything needed, but ran out of funds. I do have FF additives i could use in its place if needed, but i must say she is looking great now. And i still remember that sweet taste she has to her so im getting pumped as buds begin to get bigger.


I still have the growth coming from the main stem and dies, but the plant has gotten greener and new growth is not effected where bud growth is coming from. But i am still curious what could cause this for later plants i grow for general knowledge. I still have some yellowing at the leaf tips and some edges, but more then not, the leaves look nice and green:thumbsup:and plenty of bud sites as you can see.

These pics are better so maybe someone has an idea:thumbsup:



Thanks for stopping by:rasta:

after looking at them for a while I can say I have no idea , but I would want to take a look at the roots to see what is going on, and aslo to try to make this from happening again. but I have no idea mabey the soil is not so good?

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Just a couple things I noticed...

I use humic acid once a month as an additive. I tried using it weekly, but plants stunted and root growth was greatly accelerated, (rootbound issues started showing) so I use it only after my monthly flush.

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Well Rusty i used the Fossil Fuel or [Humic Acid] to help over all plant growth and i believe it did work. My reading on it said not only would it help root growth and structure, but assist in over all health of the plant, which was something i needed. And i used it more then once a week for a bit, which is why it got root bound so fast as you pointed out. I like the stuff, but as advised, i will not use it as often as i did with this plant. But i will use it with re pots maybe as it helps fight off virus and helps with infestations according to the site.

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Potassium sulfate (Meta-K) can build-up and can potentially alter (raise) ph if overdone. What hapepns if you don't use the Meta-K?

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I have stop using the Meta-K maybe 3 feeding ago and have only used the Earth Juice Grow and Bloom at this time. I have been slowly fading out the Grow and adding more Bloom and im seeing nice bud growth:D

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At what point do the leaves start falling off? Early growth phase, late growth phase, at the start of flowering...?

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The leaves would only fall after they would completely dry up. It would start with veins with yellow on the outer parts of them, then spread from finger to finger, then dry out and fall off.

But this is not happening any more, its only the growth on the main stems, which i pictured the post before today. But if you have time to open the above pics, you will see that it still continues at different parts of the main stems only.

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Do you flush...? If so, how often and how much?

What do the roots smell like?

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I flushed when i re potted, but not when i recently re potted into the 5 gal pot. But once she went to the 5 gal, everything about her started looking better, but the growth from the main stem. Someone said that she might be just showing her age and it seems like its not interrupting the plants production as of yet. But im just wanting to figure out what would cause this as iv never seen it on any ones plants or my own before.

I did not smell the roots, but have done lots with Bonsai so i would have figured that out by looking at them and feeling them.

Are your nutrients over a year old?[/QUOTE]

Stamped date on nutes say they are fresh:thumbsup:

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Dirt? Dirt is what you clean from under your fingernails. I'm guessing you meant soil...? (you're not using ANY dirt from your fields, are you) :wtf:

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Yes my medium is soil bought from my nursery and this is the 3rd bad mixed with about 25-30% perlite. I would never use field dirt, but if you wanted to you could. But it needs baked in the oven, which smells really bad, not to mention all the goodies a person would need to add to it to have the necessary organizes in the soil that a plant would need for growing. I wouldn't know where to start so i by mine. I have found a place i can get anything i need now so il go with the FF or bio tone, which is something the hydro guy told me would work great. He said no nutes till 2 week flowering:wtf:but gotta look into this further.

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If it is a disease, cloning won't help. I would strip my additives, and go with the basics only.

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this is what iv been doing. I only needed to find something that would help the plant, then i began to eliminate ''fixes''. Now some Grow and Bloom.

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Why the two different nutrients manufacturers? Try just one, as they may be interracting negatively with each other. At least this way, you can see if maybe it's something you're adding. But if it hasn't been affecting other plants and strains, doubtful that's it.

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The Fossil Fuel came with 3 bottles of the line of the Earth Juice line off ebay.
I was an ok deal and i only need 2 more bottles and i will have the entire line and the reading i did about the Fossil fuel, i thought would help the plant, and it did.

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During the winter, I feed set ammounts (quantities) weekly, and water to slight runoff inbetween if necessary. That way I can look at the plant(s) on the next feeding day, and know how much or how little of the nutrient mix to add that week.

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Well im learning as im playing here with the nutes Rusty. I like to see my soil dry out a bit so after i do i feed. Then try and go at least days in this 5gal pot then feed or water, depending on how the plant looks. If leaves are up enjoying the lights i will give water and let dry. Next time il feed for sure, but if i see anything that looks different from the last feed/water, i ponder which it will get and most often its water or a weaker feeding. But i have much to learn, i do know that.

But im working on it and soon il have the feeding schedule down to where i know my plants will be happy, its just much easier outside. But thanks for popping in Rusty, this thing is tough to understand. The plant growth thats dying off at least. As far as the feeding, i think thats something i need to figure out for myself, but thanks again:)




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after looking at them for a while I can say I have no idea , but I would want to take a look at the roots to see what is going on, and aslo to try to make this from happening again. but I have no idea mabey the soil is not so good?

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Well we will find out at harvest, because its budding nice and has just been put in the 5 gal. But if you look back, you can tell its in much better shape. Plus we are into at least 3 weeks of flower.



Thanks for stopping in :rasta:

thats good to hear

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thats good to hear

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Brotha, you have no idea, lol:thumbsup:


I have bought and tried everything, but something worked so on with the budding:thumbsup:

Stop back man, this should get interesting im thinking. I believe il get nice big ass colas as the bud growth seems to join up together, at least i hope:hippy:



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im sure you will, everything is a learning process so once something is learnd your back on track.

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im sure you will, everything is a learning process so once something is learnd your back on track.

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Well iv grown outside with ok plants, but after half my crop was ripped off, i think a small indoor set up will work best for me. I would like to try an Auto just for fun. The tent is only 2 x 4, but i thought about 8 12'' pots to get a nice Scrog after i have a couple grows under my belt. My only indoor was last year with CFL's, which IMO turned out great. And i used pre ferted soil, but only gave water throughout the grow, worked great. People just always think they need to add something, when everything is already in the soil so they end up with burnt plants, but cant figure out why:wtf:

But i found a hydro shop now so i can get what ever i need. So pots and soil is next on the list which then the tent will be full of 3 kinds of purples and a WW cross. Man i cant wait:thumbsup:, i will have the lights, space, soil, nutes and other materials iv been working on getting for this adventure:thumbsup:and use the cfl's to veg in this mini fridge box.

The Earth Juice line is easy to use, but lets see what it does for my girls. I have FF solubles if im not getting what i want. Id just like to get a monster, then the lights go to the tent and the fun begins:jointsmile:



Thanks for stopping in man, sometime i feel im talking to myself, lol


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lol nah were listening, but if your gonna reup on some supplies and you got all theinice hydro nutes, I suggest trying coco, the only thing differant thatn coco is you flush the coco before use and when feeding you feed constanlly,, but with lower stenght, so the get about 1/3 nutes every day instead of 1 day nute 2 days water. And calmag is goning to be needed caseu coc has a problem with cal mag. and coco is realy cheep, its cheeper than soil buy alot. theri si good products from botanicare, and canna, and theri are cheeper cocos at home depot and coco from general hydro. these cocos require more work to flush but in the end you have about 15-20 gallons of coco for 7-8 bucks. and if your in a area where the coco gro is like 9 dollars for a 5kg brick then that stuff is great you dont have to flush it as much. in my area cocogro (botanicare) is about 15 bucks and can be reused much better than soil ever could, especialy if you use enzymes and flush

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lol nah were listening, but if your gonna reup on some supplies and you got all theinice hydro nutes, I suggest trying coco, the only thing differant thatn coco is you flush the coco before use and when feeding you feed constanlly,, but with lower stenght, so the get about 1/3 nutes every day instead of 1 day nute 2 days water. And calmag is goning to be needed caseu coc has a problem with cal mag. and coco is realy cheep, its cheeper than soil buy alot. theri si good products from botanicare, and canna, and theri are cheeper cocos at home depot and coco from general hydro. these cocos require more work to flush but in the end you have about 15-20 gallons of coco for 7-8 bucks. and if your in a area where the coco gro is like 9 dollars for a 5kg brick then that stuff is great you dont have to flush it as much. in my area cocogro (botanicare) is about 15 bucks and can be reused much better than soil ever could, especialy if you use enzymes and flush

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I was talking to my hydro guy and he is suggesting that i use Pro Mix. He said its good stuff and he uses it sometime and FF too. He told me to do a side by grow and the Pro Mix would keep right up with the Fox Farm stuff. But this round is going into some cheap soil as the funds went dry. But only to get some growth going to get clones. I have pots to veg and flower pots on there way, plus some calibration solution to check my Ph pen, plus some plugs that will allow me to do 25 clone at a time, which is way more then i need. But its only a Daisy 5 site so i thought they would help me get quality clones and the others i can cull.

So this is where im at, but as time goes by im getting everything needed. The only thing left is soil and this run its going to be a less then id like, but iv made it work up till now and one more go and il have better soil.




Thanks for stopping in again man:rasta: