Emmies Grow Log - White Widow

Grow Log (pics coming when I get the ability to post them)

12/06 - Started germination

12/09 - 10 5/5 seeds germinated and transplanted to 6â?� pots. Light set to 24/0. Light is bare minimum at this point, 4â?� shop light with standard grow bulbs from hardware store. Ordered $500 of new lights online.

12/13 â?? got programmable thermostat and light timer today, now set to 77° day, 70° night. Also set light timer for 18/6 and added a fan to the closet to evenly distribute heat and slightly stress stems. Read with interest about early sexing using red streaks and dots on trunksâ?¦ based on this very early sexing, labeling plants as 3 female, 1 male, 1 possibly dead just to see how accurate this method is.

More as things develop...

Emmie

12/14 (day 5) â?? Fertilized with half small scoop MG in ¾ gallon water that has been run through carbon filter and set out for 24 hours. Still waiting on a PH meter to make sure water is in range. Working on plans for secondary dedicated grow box with veg and flower area. Plans now are to use this box for near constant production from the veg area and to establish a SCRog grow in Flowering area with 40,000 Lumens, and use the existing closet as a secondary site where we will use the 20,000 lumen light to support taller and bushier grows of 2 or 3 plants. Lights showed up today and have installed the SunBlaze 44 with the blue bulbs over the first grow. This is approximately 10x more light than we had yesterday with 20,000 lumens compared to the 1900 lumen grow bulbs that we had before. Expecting plants to now stop stretching and start to bush out noticeably.

I love the white widow.:lovestruck:...I don't feed them the first 3 weeks...except for a little, very weak root stimulator.

Enjoy Your Grow...:thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by emilya

Read with interest about early sexing using red streaks and dots on trunksâ?¦ based on this very early sexing, labeling plants as 3 female, 1 male, 1 possibly dead just to see how accurate this method is.

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Hey Emmie, can you post a link to those pages/threads? I'd like more info on this as well :)

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Originally Posted by AngelFish

Hey Emmie, can you post a link to those pages/threads? I'd like more info on this as well :)

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I found it :) It was posted by WashougalWonder :
http://boards.cannabis.com/advanced-...ml#post2068667

I guess it is possible to tell from the look of the seeds too according to another post.
Seed pic

I have put tag markers in my pots to indicate sex using the first method... we shall see. If the theory holds based on plants 5 days old I have 3 girls and a guy. I am skeptical or at least do not trust what my eyes think they are seeing. I need to see nanners.

Emmie

12/15 (day 6) â?? 1201am lights out, largest plant at 2â?�. I will check for overnight growth in dark. Soil was dry to the touch so I watered them at bed time. Not sure of the optimum time for watering in day/night cycleâ?¦ hoping someone will tell me soon after reading this. Noticed that root structure must be filling in as watering did not disrupt seedlings as much as it has been doingâ?¦ they seem more stable. 5th plant did not break out of seed yet today. I will be convinced as of tomorrow that it is indeed a murdered MJP. My fault entirelyâ?¦ now I know which way to point sprouts after germination. :(

A quick word about my soil is needed as I forgot to mention it earlier. I am using Miracle Grow Potting Mix-with MicroMax, in a 4 part to 1 part Pearlite and 1 part Vermiculite mixture. The soil mixture is very springy to the touch and seems to retain water well, yet still allowing a good flow through.

7:30am â?? Lights have been on for 1.5 hours. Plants look vigorous (except for the dead one) and about 1/8 inch growth (stretching) on the largest plant overnight in the dark. Second set of leaves is now apparent on 2 of them. I am expecting some good development on the secondary leaves today under the new lights and have informed the plants that tomorrow is the 1 week mark and that it is time to get hopping. ( I heard it was good to talk to your plants and gently let them know what is expected of them) :thumbsup:

p.s. camera is on the blink, cell phone camera is just not going to cut it. I will hit Wal-Mart soon and remedy this so I can amaze you with my bad photography skills.

Emmie

Be very careful you don't give too many nutes if in MG. White Widow will burn very easily.

The second reference about sexing by seed, I have been testing over the last 6-9 months. So far, round is female. I am talking feminized seeds and regular seeds. Every feminized seed that I look at appears to have the round feature too. My eyes are old and I am often too lazy to go find the loupe to see better tho.

I will watch to see how the sexing went. Makes me proud to see someone trying this on their own. Cool beans. :jointsmile:

With little seedlings, most people just mist the plant and soil surface to keep it damp. However after growing some roots, most people go with weight. If the pot feels really light it's time to water.

I had a Grand daddy purple which was highly unstable indoors (did OK outside). This plants self pollinated seeds were thrown out. However it also got my G13xAfgani. Yesterday while trimming I found 25 seeds in about an ounce. Being pollinated by another girl these should all be Feminized!:thumbsup:

All 25 seeds ARE rounder then many I've seen in my life. They also ALL have the indent/Volcano tip!

Question comes down to will ANY actually be worth growing when "DAD"(a female plant) was SO unstable?? So, I'll keep them, but for now I will not sprout them.

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Originally Posted by emilya

Read with interest about early sexing using red streaks and dots on trunksâ?¦ based on this very early sexing, labeling plants as 3 female, 1 male, 1 possibly dead just to see how accurate this method is.

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Ok... this is going to get interesting now. I got a camera... and it is clear looking at these pictures that the lens can see things that are not quite so apparent to our human eyes. The theory is that we can tell the sex already... at day 6 by looking for the red indicators on the trunk. Theory tells us that we should have 50% males and 50% females. According to what we are seeing in these pictures, this is exactly what I have here with my 4 surviving babies. These have been tagged and time will tell if we were indeed able to sex these plants at this incredibly early age. Look very closely at the trunks.

http://boards.cannabis.com/members/e...ots-female.jpg"Runt of the pack - red spots - FEMALE"

http://boards.cannabis.com/members/e...trunk-male.jpg"No red spots - MALE"

http://boards.cannabis.com/members/e...ots-female.jpg"Note the Red Spots - FEMALE"

http://boards.cannabis.com/members/e...other-male.jpg"Another MALE"

Emmie

Hi Emmie,

Interesting. Both the attention to detail and the fact that you growing WW. Never heard anything about red/non red spots before. I'll will be intersted to see how well this works for you. Nice post and pics. Good Luck!

12/16 (day 7) â?? OKâ?¦ it has been a week now and things are looking pretty good. Not a lot of vertical growth now under the big T5 lights but as expected seeing widening and elongation of existing leaf structures and further development on the 3rd set of leaves.

http://boards.cannabis.com/members/e...p-view-pub.jpg

I learned a quick lesson about using nutrients with this Miracle Grow soil. I am seeing a slight Nutrient Burn in #2 right at the end of the leaf tip. Flushing isnâ??t going to help a lot with this time release nutrient soil so I am just giving pure water now and things appear to be ok in the other 3 and not getting worse on #2. I will wait till week 3 to hit them with some Molasses water and will try Nutrients again after a flush right before flowering. Also got my PH tester yesterday and the water after sitting out overnight to remove the chlorine is right at 6.4-6.5. This makes me very happy and I will be checking every other day to make sure that this situation holds.

http://boards.cannabis.com/members/e...t-burn-pub.jpg

Emmie

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Originally Posted by WashougalWonder

I will watch to see how the sexing went. Makes me proud to see someone trying this on their own.

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I am curious if you agree with my conclusions on the sex based on these pictures WW. Please feel free to correct or criticize... I am here to learn and wish to use this grow log to give support to your theory.

Please check the album for some more views on all 4 stem systems with better labeling than was used in the first attempt.

Emmie's Album

Emmie

Hey I just realized my grow is only like 5 days ahead of yours!!

I used MG too and I think I have the same nutrient burn. Its like a yellow spotting?

Its awesome watching our grows side by side.

Best of luck! :thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by AngelFish

Hey I just realized my grow is only like 5 days ahead of yours!!

I used MG too and I think I have the same nutrient burn. Its like a yellow spotting?

Its awesome watching our grows side by side.

Best of luck! :thumbsup:

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This is going to be fun then! No, i don't have yellow spotting... look in that last picture i posted. Down at the very tip of the leaf at the bottom of the picture you see a brown tip. That was enough to convince me that the advice I was getting about not adding nutes to MG were right on. I have seen no other signs of damage from my mistake, but then again I didn't hit it very hard with the nutes either, and it was also the MG 24-8-16 All purpose mix too.. so probably pretty close to what was already in that soil.

Emmie

24-8-16....wow that is hotter than chicken poop. Holey moley.

Do you by chance have someplace that sells Fox Farm Products? Look into the Ocean Forest. By using that I have virtually eliminated giving nutes by repotting on a 4 week schedule. I only give specific nutes to specific plants after the 21 day of flower. WW in particular needs very little it burns very easily.

As far as the identification(s). Looking in your album the only one I am positive on is the first pic. Some of the ones you labeled male could possibly be female, you may try topping them after the 3rd internode which I find tends to promote feminism. Also, pictures just don't cut it as much as being able to rotate the little pot. The dark reddish ones are in my mind positively female. There is one that is very green and I am pretty sure that one is male....

First pic in the post..."runt" of the pack, may indeed be your best plant out of the bunch, I believe female The other three I just am not positive on, I think due to the not in real life, the third I would lean female.

So part of what I am saying is this is still too much in theory, the only one I am positive on if one can be is the first pic both in the album and here.

Don't go out and buy a bunch of fertilizer....See if you can get Fox Farm stuff where you are. A bag of OF costs me about $14 here in WA. Well worth the money for the results I get. Then if you feel you must fertilize they have a whole line that works in unison with the potting mixes they have.

Angelfish Sounds like it to me, same advice to you.

Is you soil the 3 month formula or the 6 month?

Miracle grow 6 month has an initial nitrogen release upon first waterings. It's a little 'kick-start' but is a tad strong for seedlings. This should last the plant about two weeks before the next release, which I believe is an even release (somewhat) of all 3 nutrients. (N-P-K)

If growing a sensitive strain, an initial soil flush of 3 times the volume of the pot (with properly ph'd water) before planting can help flush the initial nitrogen. Let the soil dry-out a bit before using it for the seedlings. Over-saturated soil can kill seedlings.

Don't overwater. Keep a fan on the little darlings. The breeze will help minimize the stretch. If they get too lanky, they'll need supports, or you can look-up the "Seedling Stretch Fix" thread I did a while back. (burying the plant up to it's cotyledons, which are the initial round leaves)

1/8 tsp MG All Purpose per gallon of water, once a week, maximum. Remember, the soil has nutrients already.

A couple weeks before your switch to 12/12 lighting, do your final transplant. This will help burn-off some of that nitrogen before the switch, and the stretch will be less severe.

Although MG is a solid soil, there are better ones out there. MG liquids are soild, but are a bit severe and offer no flexibility. Start looking at what others are having success with, and start planning on purchasing those products as soon as possible. (soils, nutrients, unsulfered molasses...)

Good luck. :thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by Rusty Trichome

Is you soil the 3 month formula or the 6 month?

Although MG is a solid soil, there are better ones out there. MG liquids are soild, but are a bit severe and offer no flexibility. Start looking at what others are having success with, and start planning on purchasing those products as soon as possible. (soils, nutrients, unsulfered molasses...):

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I have the 6 month soil Rusty. It does seem to have a bit of an initial kick to it, and I have definitely seen that the plants are right on the edge of having too much of a nutrient kick in the beginning. Anything extra is way too much!

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Originally Posted by WashougalWonder

Do you by chance have someplace that sells Fox Farm Products? Look into the Ocean Forest.

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I will look into that for the next grow... sounds a lot more stable than using such a volatile product such as MG.

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Originally Posted by WashougalWonder

As far as the identification(s). Looking in your album the only one I am positive on is the first pic. There is one that is very green and I am pretty sure that one is male....

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:lovestruck:

As I stare at the little babies I feel the same way about this if I am understanding your theory correctly. The runt is clearly showing an almost uniformly red trunk, clearly female. The top grower, featured below in an 8th day picture is all green... clearly male. The other two, I go back and forth on... there is some red in the trunks with large streches of green, one more than the other. Those two could go either way with my guess being the one with the most coloring turning out to be female. If this grow ends up being 1 boy with 3 girls, you are going to see me do a happy dance!


http://boards.cannabis.com/members/e...th-day-pub.jpg


Emmie

After the first couple days, they can change. Males do tend to stretch more after the first set of true leaves than the females do....Not talking cotyledons, true leaves. They have a long way to go before really needing to be concerned about them for sex, for now just growing health plants without 'over loving' them.

Hey Emmie! I use MG soil too and it does present it's own problems, but as you get used to it, it works ok....I have never been able to find FF in my area of the world, or the nutes that go with it, so I have no experience with it....however, I have been using MG for a few years now and here's some things I've noticed...

1) It's too high a ph coming out of the bag...I use dolomite lime, water, and time to overcome this...I mix my soils up nearly a month before I will use them...
2) it does have too much N for seedlings and again, I water and use lime and time to overcome this, or go buy a seedling mix that's not so hot.
3) you use the exact same mix I do and adding ANY nutes is not needed for quite awhile, and if your transplanting regularly, you may not need to add any at all except in certain individual plants, but as soon as mine have roots down I add in small amounts until I "read" that the plants have all they can possibly use and if I add any more, I will have problems... I push the envelope to the max...you'll get this the more you grow and "read" your plants. I also use a seedling mix not nearly as hot for clones and seedlings.
4) WW, who is indeed a wonder, is right, we use a hot hot mix, so don't use that cute little green spoon MG gives you, but use MUCH smaller amounts if adding anything at all...as you gain experience, you'll get a good feel for how much and when to add what.
5) I'm lazy, and don't want to water as often as I should, so I modify the MG stuff with pearlite, vermiculite, and dolomite lime, until I get it like I want it to be...LOL! That means I don't have to water but every 3 days or so...being the lazy azz I am!

I hope this helps!

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Originally Posted by TANKJR

Hey Emmie! I use MG soil too and it does present it's own problems, but as you get used to it, it works ok....I have never been able to find FF in my area of the world, or the nutes that go with it, so I have no experience with it....however, I have been using MG for a few years now and here's some things I've noticed...

1) It's too high a ph coming out of the bag...I use dolomite lime, water, and time to overcome this...I mix my soils up nearly a month before I will use them...
2) it does have too much N for seedlings and again, I water and use lime and time to overcome this, or go buy a seedling mix that's not so hot.
3) you use the exact same mix I do and adding ANY nutes is not needed for quite awhile, and if your transplanting regularly, you may not need to add any at all except in certain individual plants, but as soon as mine have roots down I add in small amounts until I "read" that the plants have all they can possibly use and if I add any more, I will have problems... I push the envelope to the max...you'll get this the more you grow and "read" your plants. I also use a seedling mix not nearly as hot for clones and seedlings.
4) WW, who is indeed a wonder, is right, we use a hot hot mix, so don't use that cute little green spoon MG gives you, but use MUCH smaller amounts if adding anything at all...as you gain experience, you'll get a good feel for how much and when to add what.
5) I'm lazy, and don't want to water as often as I should, so I modify the MG stuff with pearlite, vermiculite, and dolomite lime, until I get it like I want it to be...LOL! That means I don't have to water but every 3 days or so...being the lazy azz I am!

I hope this helps!

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I hope everyone using MG reads this. It is the first post I have ever seen with actual knowledge of how to use MG if you don't have a choice. Awesome post Tank:thumbsup::thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by TANKJR

4) WW, who is indeed a wonder, is right, we use a hot hot mix, so don't use that cute little green spoon MG gives you, but use MUCH smaller amounts if adding anything at all...as you gain experience, you'll get a good feel for how much and when to add what

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And if you use MG All Purpose long enough, you'll read the directions which say the dilution rate is for a 10 day to 2 week period, not weekly. (cut indicated dilution rate in half for weekly feedings, and go from there)

12/19 (day 10) - Today is a good day. My plants have taught me something about myself today. It is amazing what one can learn if they take the time, and listen.

Anyway, on to the story. It seems that #3 had some problems standing up. Each watering would almost tilt her over and I was really worried about it until I read one of the other logs dealing with White Widows and saw that they had the same problem at this stage. I have bent a solid piece of wire into a little crutch to help her stand up and she seems to like it.

Next time, I will not start my babies in a large pot... Will start in cups, let the roots develop and then transplant. Looking at transplanting several times on the next grow to help develop a better root system as well as to clear the soil with new. I also will not be starting the next batch in Miracle Grow... save this for when the babies can handle it.

By the way, I numbered the plants in order from largest to smallest and so far this seems to be holding true. I am noticing that the smaller ones are trying to catch up a bit now as #1 has stopped the rapid vertical growth and started to get wider and throw out more leaves. The 6 leaves that were barely nubs yesterday have become substantial and I see another set starting to come in today. The new lights are working... the plants have really started to tighten up now that they are under the T5 bulbs as compared to reaching for that silly shop light that they started life with. It is very apparent from this growth pattern just how important the quality of the light source is to these babies. I can't wait to see how they respond in the new grow box with the T5x8 array!

Here are the pictures!
http://boards.cannabis.com/members/e...-like-weed.jpg
http://boards.cannabis.com/members/e...but-sturdy.jpg
http://boards.cannabis.com/members/e...her-crutch.jpg
http://boards.cannabis.com/members/e...atching-up.jpg

Emmie

You can also add a little more topsoil to hold it up.

They will love being 4" from the T5 light for a few days, that is what they need.

Two of my babies are showing an odd problem and I am not sure what it is telling me to do. It is #1 and the runt, #4. That is the best grower and the slowest grower, although the runt may have been a runt because of a j-root and not because of its genetics.

The cotyledons on both of these plants, have one of them showing a yellowing... sort of all through the middle of the leaf and not at the edges or the tips. The runt actually was showing a bit of this yellowing all over, hard to notice except under the bright lights... but I did notice it.

I purposely waited on watering last night because I just wasn't sure if it was time, and by noon today I determined that I did finally need to water everyone as there was no trace of moisture in the soil and the babies were starting to look a bit limp to me. In other words, I am pretty sure that I am not over watering.

Looking at other grow logs, I don't see any reference to the cotyledons falling off, but when I look at growing forums of other plants, I see people ask about this and the answer seems to be that this is normal... and WHEN they actually fall off, it is time to do the first feeding. Could it be that I have actually created soil using MG that has a good enough flow through that I have rinsed a lot of the nitrogen out of it and this is true? Or, is this indicating that it is coming up to the time to think about transplanting the babies into larger pots soon? They are already in 6" pots and I thought that I would have till about the 3rd week or later before I had to go to the 3gal buckets.

I am trying not to stress out, and will do my normal morning pictures in about 12 hours so you can see what is going on, but other than this everything looks great and the babies look strong and are developing fast.

Emmie

Emmie,
Don't worry about the cot's, they do that.

Frankly I would not even consider any ferts until at least 6 weeks old, but I am a don't fert person. Glad you are checking to make sure you are not over watering.

Dec 20 (day 11)
It is remarkable to me how much growth can happen in 24 hours. There are dramatic differences between yesterday and today and I would have to conclude that the babies are happy. :thumbsup:

First to the problem with the cotyledons. The yellowing is still there, but not quite so bad this morning and I have a theory. For the last couple of days I have had a small heat problem and could not figure it out. Temperature each time I visited the closet was at least 2 degrees higher than I had it set, at one point I saw it at 81 deg. Mostly it was hanging out at 79 deg and the humidity felt high. Stupid me... I had left my oven on and it seems that the heat was traveling across the ceiling into the next room and into the closet. The fan was bringing that heat down from the ceiling and into my project. Last night when I decided to have pizza for dinner I found this problem and corrected it so temperatures were back to 75 deg/70 overnight consistently. I think the babies appreciated that I was no longer trying to burn the place down and calmed themselves. Here is a picture of the cotyledons on #1.

Yellowing Cotyledon on my big bad boy
http://boards.cannabis.com/members/e...4-1-day-11.jpg

Next I want to notice the change since switching to the big SB44 T5 lights. My fastest grower was right at 2" and seemed to be stretching for light. Now vertical growth has drastically slowed and he is stretching horizontally and throwing out great growth to the sides. I can tell by his stability in the soil when I water that his root system has also developed well in this last week. Here I offer a side view so you can see how he has decided to tighten up and show off his heredity. :hippy:

Sneaking up on #1 from the side
http://boards.cannabis.com/members/e...iew-day-11.jpg

So, things look pretty good here I think. I am still just watering (no nutes) and PH is holding at 6.3 after sitting out for 24 hours. I have also begun to aerate the water by shaking it up in a large jug before watering. The biggest thing I am doing is trying hard to maintain a consistent environment for them. The 20,000 lumens is at approximately 3-4 inches away from their tops, temp is 75/70 and light schedule is 18/6. Airflow is good inside the closet with a fan pointed at the light and causing a slight stir in the leaves of all my babies. Here are todays pictures!

#4, The Runt... looking strong and showing signs of staying short but stocky.
http://boards.cannabis.com/members/e...7-4-day-11.jpg

#3 and her crutch... Probably not necessary anymore
http://boards.cannabis.com/members/e...6-3-day-11.jpg

#2 - really starting to take off
http://boards.cannabis.com/members/e...5-2-day-11.jpg

#1 - he is really proud of himself.. don't tell him about my scissors:eek:
http://boards.cannabis.com/members/e...iew-day-11.jpg

Enjoy your day! I am going to work on the grow box some more today.
Emmie

That runt is showing strong female. I like that one a bunch.

Probably have to get someone to confirm this, but I believe the cotyledons are the 'food' until the first set of leaves can make some.

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Originally Posted by WashougalWonder

That runt is showing strong female. I like that one a bunch.

Probably have to get someone to confirm this, but I believe the cotyledons are the 'food' until the first set of leaves can make some.

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I agree...:thumbsup:...their like a fuse that burns until the main charge is ready..:)

Dec 21 (day 12) - Overall, things are looking good this morning. All the babies are still showing constant and dramatic growth and continue to throw out new leaf development. I'm still puzzling over this slight yellowing on the runt and the cot's on #1. If anything, the problem got worse yesterday. The only thing that happened yesterday was that they all got a good drenching. I went to the troubleshooting guide and looked at pictures for a good long time last night and the only picture that even came close to looking like my problem was the description of over-watering. This combined with me watering them yesterday has me convinced that I must restrain myself a bit more. The next watering will not happen until I am convinced that they must have it. I'm sorry babies... mama does love you, you just can't have a drink right now.

I just had one of those "ah ha" moments. I think I am hurting my runt by assuming that she has the same water needs as the bigger plants next to her. She just does not need as much water yet as the rest of them. Too much love. Bad Emmie.

I am also on the warpath as of today. I saw a bug. Damn little flying thing, I'm guessing it was a white fly. OOOh... this bug has no idea what he started! This will never do! I'm getting a sticky strip and I am spraying something hideous in that closet. I did a close inspection under leaves and all through things and see no sign of the bugs on my babies... yet.

Here are the morning pictures!

The runt with her yellowing problem... still growing well though!
http://boards.cannabis.com/members/e...ng-problem.jpg

Number 3 getting ready to take off now
http://boards.cannabis.com/members/e...branch-out.jpg

Number 2 looking good!
http://boards.cannabis.com/members/e...oking-good.jpg

Number 1, Ain't he handsome?
http://boards.cannabis.com/members/e...-he-looker.jpg

Number 1 from his good side
http://boards.cannabis.com/members/e...ber-1-side.jpg

Have a great day everyone!
Emmie

Doesn't look like anything is wrong to me. I wet the little ones good then leave them for a couple of days or until my finger is dry about 1/2"-3/4" when I poke their container. :thumbsup:

Again...

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Originally Posted by Rusty Trichome

...Let the soil dry-out a bit before using it for the seedlings. Over-saturated soil can kill seedlings.

Don't overwater. Keep a fan on the little darlings. The breeze will help minimize the stretch. ... :thumbsup:

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Hi Emmie....You're being a helicopter mom to them babies! ;) It's understandable, most new moms (and Dads!) would be also, but your hovering over them! (make sure to breathe love, sing and blow co2 on them while your hovering!) Try not to worry so much....they're doing fine, but I have to go with Rusty....Don't overwater! I was pretty sure I posted something about those small leaves, but I don't see it in this thread....maybe I put it somewhere else or imagined it, it's happened before...Good pics too btw! I have no problem looking at your pics even without the bifocals! Even blazed! well ok I do see two or three images if I'm overbaked...dam! like now...ooops! I love goin from straight, to one rip buzzed, two rips...dam too much AGAIN! When will I learn? LOL!

L8r, TANK, baking, er baked for lunch!:stoned:

BTW, I fell outta my chair laughing on the "from his good side" caption...

I use the cotyledons as a reference point. If they're healthy, likely the plant is healthy and happy, and is getting ecactly what they need from the word go. If they're dying prematurely, IMHO, you haven't hit "optimal" growth, which can adversely affect the youngster. (slower growth, stunting, deformations...)

Happy-n-Healthy:

Great thread Em:thumbsup:and fantastic pics to boot. I hope all turns out as the theory would be a huge time saver. I have 3 seedlings now, but only outta the soil for about 3 days now, so il have to get a peek at them.

I wanted to make a comment on the pre fertted soil, even tho its prolly something you have heard enough of now. But when i grew out my first indoor grow, i used the pre fertted stuff, not thinking it was MG, but pre fertted. I had read tons of threads which the pre loaded stuff was being used and found that most had problems with burning. These people added nutes to their soil even though they are already in there. Ok so im new to it so i choose the pre fertted soil to make it easier on my first grow. I went through the entire grow without adding anything at all, because the soil will take care of those needs. I knew from all those grow logs not to add anything and it worked great. I even grew with cfl's and in the end, my harvest was even better then i thought it would be. My buds had a great taste and the plants even lived to be re vegged outside with a great yield.

This grow i wanted to make easy as i said, being my first indoor grow. But, it only worked, because i did not give ferts, period. If ya cant find different soil, i would follow this advise, only because it will work. I did it, but people that added ferts didn't. My log is in the Sig, if you want to look at the buds and plants, which got water throughout the grow.

The round lower leaves will get yellow and fall off by the end of the week, which is normal. Also i think Rusty has used the MG pre stuff, but even if he hasn't, his advise is not something to brush off:thumbsup:

Great thread, il be watching and hoping for your success:hippy:



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give you something to look forward to. the big one is one month, the one in the cup, one week. No nutes. FF OF, T5 SB46. :thumbsup:

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give you something to look forward to. the big one is one month, the one in the cup, one week. No nutes. FF OF, T5 SB46. :thumbsup:

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Nice! :thumbsup: I'm getting excited! Been working on my new grow box all day long... paint is drying on the main shelf now. Tomorrow I hang all the mylar and possibly get the lights up! I have to get my babies out of that dumb closet and make them feel more at home in a nice new clean high tech growing laboratory. Not to mention that the SB48 doesn't fit in the closet. :( That upset me a bit, but whats a few hundred more dollars to develop a plan B? These guys are going to think the sun just went nova when I yet again double the light hitting them. --- Carpenter Emmie

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Nice! :thumbsup: I'm getting excited! Been working on my new grow box all day long... paint is drying on the main shelf now. Tomorrow I hang all the mylar and possibly get the lights up! I have to get my babies out of that dumb closet and make them feel more at home in a nice new clean high tech growing laboratory. Not to mention that the SB48 doesn't fit in the closet. :( That upset me a bit, but whats a few hundred more dollars to develop a plan B? These guys are going to think the sun just went nova when I yet again double the light hitting them. --- Carpenter Emmie

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You made your box 4'? You can always undo the sides and add 3/4 x your plywood dimension to each side. You can get it at Home Depot or Lowes. It will give you another 1 1/2" or you can get some 5/4 which will give you 2 1/2" so your light will fit. Little set back. :thumbsup:

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You made your box 4'? You can always undo the sides and add 3/4 x your plywood dimension to each side. You can get it at Home Depot or Lowes. It will give you another 1 1/2" or you can get some 5/4 which will give you 2 1/2" so your light will fit. Little set back. :thumbsup:

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oh no! let me clarify! The closet is actually a clothes closet that the plants are presently living in. it is just short of being wide enough for the sb48... plenty long.

the grow box that I am building is plenty big. it is 5' x 28" x 4' high. Dad always said... measure twice... THEN cut! :) --Emmie

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oh no! let me clarify! The closet is actually a clothes closet that the plants are presently living in. it is just short of being wide enough for the sb48... plenty long.

the grow box that I am building is plenty big. it is 5' x 28" x 4' high. Dad always said... measure twice... THEN cut! :) --Emmie

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Ok. You closet is probably 22"-23" wide not 24". That's why I got the SB 46. Its fits width wise!! :D I want a 48x8 and a 24x4 too!!! :smokin:

New parents can be so fun to observe :S5:

Dec 22 (Day 13) -
I am more convinced than ever that I am an over-waterer. Thank you everyone for the posts helping to convince me of that. This morning, still no water and all looks good. No wilting. No pleas from the babies for water. And today, no signs of that yellow mottled look on #1 and #4. I find myself very impressed by the pictures in plant abuse thread after this experience.

It does look like the runt (#4) is trying very hard to catch up now. She is taller and has developed quite a few new leaves in the last few days. I think she doesn't like being called the runt and has decided to show us all just how beautiful she can be. Stay tuned on this one...

It does look like she is going to lose her cot's though. Definitely right on LetSeeYa... within a few days I suspect she is going to shed those. I have a theory on this. I suspect that she needed a growth spurt to get her root structure going and knew she was in trouble. She ate these cotyledons to get the energy to do what she needed to do. As a result she is thriving now. I might be wrong in this analysis, but it is a beautiful way of looking at her and her will to survive, don't you think?

Number 3 (the one with the crutch) has purposely moved away from the wire loop and refuses to use the crutch now. She is standing up strong and proud and I bet when I water this next time she is going to show me how strong her roots are and stay right where she belongs. If this turns out to be the case I will remove the crutch... I don't want to offend her.

Number 1 is just a show off. He didn't change a lot in this last 24 hours but I can see him strengthening... his trunk is getting wider and his nodes are showing a lot of activity. His leaves have all gotten wider and longer. I am sure that he is enjoying all this attention!

Here are the pictures!

Absorbing her cotyledons! :eat:
http://boards.cannabis.com/members/e...cotyledons.jpg

I don't need no crutch! :postredx:
http://boards.cannabis.com/members/e...her-crutch.jpg

I think I can... I think I can...
http://boards.cannabis.com/members/e...king-proud.jpg

Look at me world! I'm a big bad boy! :rastasmoke:
http://boards.cannabis.com/members/e...-his-stuff.jpg

Have a great day! For those of you traveling this week, Happy Holidays and be safe.

Emmie