Let the cloning begin

I'm getting ready to clone the ladies under the T5, and since I'm on a tight budget right at the moment, I found rootech cloning gel. 1/4 oz @ $4.99 on the Amazon Market Place, seller GROWaLot. Free shipping, and I got it in 3 days. Just what I need for the number of clones I plan to doing, and I will stand by this stuff. I've had 100% success using it in the past with rockwool round starter plugs. Just mentioning if anyone wants to try cloning inexpensively, check this stuff out. I first learned about it and bought it after reading a review about it in High Times in maybe 2001-02 Spring issue (memory thing). There are larger sizes too. Next time!!!! :D

I use Bontone rooting powder...$4.85 for about a 10 year supply (1.25 ozs.) bought at the local garden supply store...near 100% with this stuff only because the dog ate a couple...now his paws are showing signs of little white roots forming....so when do I send him into flower?????? LMAO! :jawdropper:

i get near 100% with no hormones , just sticking them in peat pellets , have you guys tried side by side with/without these chems?? actually my hard to clone heriwanna is more like 75% so maybe i do need something for it . recommendations ?

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Originally Posted by bullyslayer

i get near 100% with no hormones , just sticking them in peat pellets , have you guys tried side by side with/without these chems?? actually my hard to clone heriwanna is more like 75% so maybe i do need something for it . recommendations ?

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I can say I've used both powder and gel together and have had success. I've used powder alone, and it has some chemicals that aren't for human consumption so...this time I'm using the gel alone. I came upon rootech when I was first growing indoors and tried cloning. I tried it, it worked, and I stick with things that work before I try new things. Its just my preference and they clone quickly IMO. Its one of many cloning gels. :smokin:

i did try ROOTONE [sp] from LOWES many years ago in a side by side and it preformed worse than using nothing at all.Thanks for the tip on the gel.i'll give it a try and let you know how it turns out.

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Originally Posted by TANKJR

the dog ate a couple...now his paws are showing signs of little white roots forming....so when do I send him into flower?????? LMAO! :jawdropper:

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I want a nug from that harvest, TJ! And name that strain: Dogs Breath :S2:

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Originally Posted by bullyslayer

i did try ROOTONE [sp] from LOWES many years ago in a side by side and it preformed worse than using nothing at all.Thanks for the tip on the gel.i'll give it a try and let you know how it turns out.

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I used Rootone for my this, my first try at clones. @ 2 weeks I have about 70%success.

I just got finished doing mine. They are in round rockwool plugs. there are 8 of the girls, and they all had small growth areas I trimmed off the stem and coated with gel. I also split the stem down the middle where its going to be inside the plug. I got this technique from a cloning tutorial way back. These are clones of clones taken during flowering, and were taken from the lower most branches all approx 1/8 - 3/16 diam. :D

The donor's can be seen in a couple of threads under T5 lighting and impressed in one of the growing forums. :smokin:

Never tried the Roottech, I've had nearly 100% success with Clonex (failures have been my fault)

I tried "Juicy Roots" from AN, and had an 80% failure due to following the advice of the person that gave it to me. "Fill the hole in the rooter plug with this, scrape the side of the stem and stick em in there! Job done!" Yeah,.... Right,..... :mad:

I'm not blaming the compound, just the technique. I'll try it again, tho using my normal technique of dipping the cutting, and using a second hole made by a skewer off to the side of the main hole.


Quick Q about your clones there,... Do you have a dome for them? or is ambient humidity where you are enough?

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Originally Posted by canniwhatsis

Never tried the Roottech, I've had nearly 100% success with Clonex (failures have been my fault)

I tried "Juicy Roots" from AN, and had an 80% failure due to following the advice of the person that gave it to me. "Fill the hole in the rooter plug with this, scrape the side of the stem and stick em in there! Job done!" Yeah,.... Right,..... :mad:

I'm not blaming the compound, just the technique. I'll try it again, tho using my normal technique of dipping the cutting, and using a second hole made by a skewer off to the side of the main hole.


Quick Q about your clones there,... Do you have a dome for them? or is ambient humidity where you are enough?

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I don't recall ever using a humidity dome. I use the round plugs because they are split in the middle and you can put the stem in without disturbing the gel. I also mist them once or twice a day, and I made a solution of 1 liter H2O, 1/2 tblsp Big Bloom, and 1/4 Grow Big. I didn't use a dome for the plants I took the clones from. I just place them where they get light and away from the heat. I keep the plugs wet but not soaked, and I pre-soak them, and squeeze out the excess water when I place the stem in. Its worked for me. :thumbsup:

Here is a photo of the main donor. She give up 5 of the clones. She has just lost the regrowth leaves and if it was spring, she'd be outdoors ready to produce a bonanza. Or IMO. I took the clones from the lower section, and there is another that I will take in a few days after these present ones root. :thumbsup:

She looks like my Bonsai mums before they're haircut tonight! :D Now they look like twigs with a few leaves on them. ;)

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Originally Posted by canniwhatsis

She looks like my Bonsai mums before they're haircut tonight! :D Now they look like twigs with a few leaves on them. ;)

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Yeah, she's a bit small, she's in a closet in an unheated part of the house with friends and their only heat is the T5. the temp in the unheated part is in the 30s-40s night, 40s day. She has developed well from where she started considering. I wanted to clarify my solution too, its two liters H2O, 1/2 tblsp Big bloom, 1/4 tsp Grow Big. Its what the others got that are going well now, and I do use regular water too. :thumbsup:

Just updating. Put all of them in cups. They are still hanging in there as there is still green, and small areas of node growth are evident. Its been two weeks so they should be showing signs of recovering in the next few days. Here is the last shot I took of them about a week ago. The large leaves have yellowed and sacrificed themselves for the good of the whole!!! Next time, I will do a control with some getting a dome for the first couple of days. And, I wouldn't call them really mature branches either, but lower sprouts on the stem. And the donors are producing even more!! :D

over 2 weeks and no roots? :wtf:


My personal record was "cutting/ Rooted" in 4 day's!!!! :eek: I about shit myself when I saw those roots! Now if I could just figure out what I did on that cutting!!!!

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Originally Posted by canniwhatsis

over 2 weeks and no roots? :wtf:


My personal record was "cutting/ Rooted" in 4 day's!!!! :eek: I about shit myself when I saw those roots! Now if I could just figure out what I did on that cutting!!!!

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I didn't say they didn't have any roots, I know from past experience with rootech, one day you don't see any, and the next, they are showing through the rockwool. I have them in cups and have been there for four or five days, and they are showing signs of new growth. None of this strain has failed me yet. And a number of factors were involved since there were really small branches that used up the larger leaves to make it. Some are now reaching for the light with their leaves. Pics in a couple of days. Got other irons in the fire!!! :D

Here are three of mine after 17 days. As you can tell, I'm trying to clone bushes after they have taken. :cool: There are two shots of each clone,except the last one (five images max) and they are showing new growth!! Patience is the key!! :smokin:

I know this started out saying there was a limited budget.. but; I highly recommend a Clone Bucket (or similar). Mine has 18 sites and cost me $80.. Cuts generally take me 2 weeks at the very longest before rooted (tired old strain that's been cloned for years..) and as little as a week. I can tell you, clones using this method look one hell of a lot better than those living in rock wool, though the result is naked rooted clones. Good if you're going to a net pot or soilless mix, bad if you like using rock wool..

I also stick with Clonex gel and have 100% success.

My $0.02

Peace, Farmer Rich

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Originally Posted by Farmer Rich

I know this started out saying there was a limited budget.. but; I highly recommend a Clone Bucket (or similar). Mine has 18 sites and cost me $80.. Cuts generally take me 2 weeks at the very longest before rooted (tired old strain that's been cloned for years..) and as little as a week. I can tell you, clones using this method look one hell of a lot better than those living in rock wool, though the result is naked rooted clones. Good if you're going to a net pot or soilless mix, bad if you like using rock wool..

I also stick with Clonex gel and have 100% success.

My $0.02

Peace, Farmer Rich

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I thought about making up one of those cloners. I'd have no problem making one. Right now, with the conditions as they are, the temp on the clones with the other plants isn't staying a consistent 70-75 degrees. The temps at night drop to 60 or so, so they are having a time of it. I could have rigged a dome for all of them, but I'm experimenting to see how they fight to live. :D Next batch, I'm going to have another light, and I will keep them under optimum conditions. The ones that these came were cloned under nearly the same conditions and are vibrant bushy little ladies just like these will turn out to be. :cool: If I was doing it for commercial, I'd be doing it a lot differently. right now, really just tinkering around!!! I appreciate your input. :thumbsup:

Yeah, ah huh, these babies, all eight of them are rooted and starting new growth from all the nodes, even where the original leave yellowed and sacrificed themselves for the good of the whole!!! :cool:

New photos once the new growth is really visible. I used my loop, and the new growth is a lush, normal green just millimeters in size. Lookin' good though. :D

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Originally Posted by gypski

Yeah, ah huh, these babies, all eight of them are rooted and starting new growth from all the nodes, even where the original leave yellowed and sacrificed themselves for the good of the whole!!! :cool:

New photos once the new growth is really visible. I used my loop, and the new growth is a lush, normal green just millimeters in size. Lookin' good though. :D

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Cool man, im a few days away from trying my cloner. Never really tried to clone but once, which is 3' now. I used the clonex powder i got really cheep at a local hardware. Il be watching man, i got real lucky i got my NL clone so this will help. I thought about some sort of medium so i just dont get a plant with roots>

Good luck man:rasta:

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Originally Posted by LetsSeeYa

Cool man, im a few days away from trying my cloner. Never really tried to clone but once, which is 3' now. I used the clonex powder i got really cheep at a local hardware. Il be watching man, i got real lucky i got my NL clone so this will help. I thought about some sort of medium so i just dont get a plant with roots>

Good luck man:rasta:

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I use the rockwool because I'm growing in pots with FFOF, and the last time I grew indoors, I grew in litter boxes and an orchid medium (bark, pebbles, etc). And the rockwool was great for that type of medium. I pre-soak the plugs with a dilute nute solution and then keep it wet. No dome, (RIpatient had a great idea, 2 liter bottle bottoms for domes). I got a few of them. Clear too. But I'm going to try four using the dome(s) soon but with everything else the same. :thumbsup:

I like the square 1 gallon water bottles as domes. I can easily get 4 clones under each bottle. I've also used a disposable turkey roasting pan.

Christmas update. 100% success. I took three photos, two were blurry so I'll load one. I put them away after cleaning them up so, what you see is what you get!!! :D They are all going to do well though. Now that they have all rooted, and I look back, I may have had them too close to the light. I think 6" is too close with no dome. Next up, some with a dome when I get my T5 SB 24-4, and can put some others into flower with my SB 48-6. :D

Now I can track these two ladies progress too!! and we all can see how they do! :thumbsup:

Congratulations! Nice Christmas present!

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Originally Posted by budlover13

Congratulations! Nice Christmas present!

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I got that mail. :thumbsup: Yeah, better then some coal!! :lol5: No new knee though. :stoned:

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Originally Posted by gypski

I use the rockwool because I'm growing in pots with FFOF, and the last time I grew indoors, I grew in litter boxes and an orchid medium (bark, pebbles, etc). And the rockwool was great for that type of medium. I pre-soak the plugs with a dilute nute solution and then keep it wet. No dome, (RIpatient had a great idea, 2 liter bottle bottoms for domes). I got a few of them. Clear too. But I'm going to try four using the dome(s) soon but with everything else the same. :thumbsup:

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Im a dirt dude myself gypski, i was just thinking about putting the cutting in rock wool cubes, then put them in my cloner holes. Then my clone's would be connected to the cube, which id just plant in soil. Just thought it would be easier to handle for me, i dont know why it wouldn't work, but iv never used a cloner before so not sure what i can do with it. Its only a 5 site cloner, but thought i could get more then one cut in each hole if i wanted to.

Id luv to see those after/when you flower them. BTW when are you planing to do that, veg time? They look like if you put them into flower now, you would get big colas. Iv seen people do a bunch that size, which grew out big nice colas. But nice yield for such short veg time. I think cutting up the middle of the stem would help and even speed up rooting:thumbsup:



Good luck on your next batch bro:rasta:

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Originally Posted by LetsSeeYa

Im a dirt dude myself gypski, i was just thinking about putting the cutting in rock wool cubes, then put them in my cloner holes. Then my clone's would be connected to the cube, which id just plant in soil. Just thought it would be easier to handle for me, i dont know why it wouldn't work, but iv never used a cloner before so not sure what i can do with it. Its only a 5 site cloner, but thought i could get more then one cut in each hole if i wanted to.

Id luv to see those after/when you flower them. BTW when are you planing to do that, veg time? They look like if you put them into flower now, you would get big colas. Iv seen people do a bunch that size, which grew out big nice colas. But nice yield for such short veg time. I think cutting up the middle of the stem would help and even speed up rooting:thumbsup:



Good luck on your next batch bro:rasta:

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The round rockwool plugs should fit your cloner. I'm planning on vegging them for at least a month once they have rooted fully in the cup and I put them into bigger pots. That way, I can take more clones or I may keep one I have as the donor. I split the stem on the clones too so it helps rooting. It was what I read from the tutorial I used in 2001. :thumbsup: I also only place the end half way in the plug so the roots can grow down. I don't bottom it. Gotta have room to move!!! :D

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Originally Posted by gypski

The round rockwool plugs should fit your cloner. I'm planning on vegging them for at least a month once they have rooted fully in the cup and I put them into bigger pots. That way, I can take more clones or I may keep one I have as the donor. I split the stem on the clones too so it helps rooting. It was what I read from the tutorial I used in 2001. :thumbsup: I also only place the end half way in the plug so the roots can grow down. I don't bottom it. Gotta have room to move!!! :D

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Great info for what i am planning on doing, thanks man. I had a thought you might veg for a month. Im working on getting my seedlings big enough to tell sex, then clone from. I have 3 strains growing, but still young and with the cold weather, they are not growing as fast as im used to. But just cant wait to see my purple in bud, so its killing me waiting.

The half way in the plug makes sense too man. Great thread as im close to trying to clone and have been reading tons, but picked up some great knowledge with this thread.

Thanks for that gypski, it will help and il do just as you did. I saw it work right in front of me, just will be using the cloner. Thing is after reading a thread like this, i question the purchase of the cloner. But i think once im more stealthy, it will come into play to make things more easy for me.


Thanks again bro:rasta:

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Originally Posted by LetsSeeYa

Great info for what i am planning on doing, thanks man. I had a thought you might veg for a month. Im working on getting my seedlings big enough to tell sex, then clone from. I have 3 strains growing, but still young and with the cold weather, they are not growing as fast as im used to. But just cant wait to see my purple in bud, so its killing me waiting.

The half way in the plug makes sense too man. Great thread as im close to trying to clone and have been reading tons, but picked up some great knowledge with this thread.

Thanks for that gypski, it will help and il do just as you did. I saw it work right in front of me, just will be using the cloner. Thing is after reading a thread like this, i question the purchase of the cloner. But i think once im more stealthy, it will come into play to make things more easy for me.


Thanks again bro:rasta:

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I think the object with the cloner is to keep the end of the stem area wet. So, if you use the plugs in the cloner, I'd put the stem all the way down. I find the way I do it, or even with a dome, and you've worked out the optimal conditions with temps, distance from direct light, etc, things will be 100%. Cloning without a cloner works just as well as with the cloner IMO. Patience, and don't be stingy with the cloning gel or cloning hormone. Good luck, and glad I've been helpful. :thumbsup:

A couple of that complete bunch that rooted. They are now 1 month old and now need to start growing with all their branching!!! :cool:

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Seems like you've had some troubles, I'd expect much better results than that in a month!!!!! :hippy:


Pic 1: After 2.5 weeks under the dome this is what my G-13 looks like.....
Pic 2: This is a blueberry clone that was cut off of the mother plant on 12-19-10 so it's less than a month old since it was hacked off of its mom! :hippy: :jointsmile:

P.S. Forgive the droopy leaves on the blueberry in the 2nd pic,... it was lights off when I took the pick,.... she was sleeping!!!!!! :cool:

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As for the G-13,... the three that are in the pic are the slackers, for as healthy as those plants are at this point, they are all getting destroyed so I can stay under my plant count. :( The healthy one (rooted like the one in the picture a week ago) is in my garden now, and already making these girls look like shit. ;)

And the blueberry,... well this one is an exception for sure! I've never seen this kind of growth in a clone. I half expect it to piss out when I try to flower it, but I'm certainly hoping for high yield.... I might log this one. :hippy: :D :jointsmile:

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Originally Posted by canniwhatsis

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Seems like you've had some troubles, I'd expect much better results than that in a month!!!!! :hippy:


Pic 1: After 2.5 weeks under the dome this is what my G-13 looks like.....
Pic 2: This is a blueberry clone that was cut off of the mother plant on 12-19-10 so it's less than a month old since it was hacked off of its mom! :hippy: :jointsmile:

P.S. Forgive the droopy leaves on the blueberry in the 2nd pic,... it was lights off when I took the pick,.... she was sleeping!!!!!! :cool:

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Considering the fact that they weren't under normal conditions where I could control the temps 24/7, they did good. That's my point...conditions don't have to be optimal. I know what they should and could do normally. I have seedlings that have grown more in that time. If I could do things the way I'd really like to do them, I'll blow some minds. :D

Good point,... there is a reason it's called WEED!!! :D These plants will thrive thru some serious ass kicking.

But I still have to recommend using proper cloning methods for best results.

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Originally Posted by canniwhatsis

Good point,... there is a reason it's called WEED!!! :D These plants will thrive thru some serious ass kicking.

But I still have to recommend using proper cloning methods for best results.

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I agree. Now that I've had time to think back to 2001, I think I did use a dome for the clones I did. And, these clones are small early branches. I could have taken bigger branches like the mothers but I'm not geared for that at this stage of the game. If I could maintain a constant 70 degrees I know they'd all be doing much, much better. If I were to keep them vegging until spring, they would be some big babies by harvest time. I'm half-steppin' and goin' with the flow at this point. :D

Another of the first batch of clones. Imagine this lady as a mature productive medicine giver!!!! The stem nodes look bare in the photo, but they are bursting with new growth beginning. I can say one definitive thing, I'm finding out how this specific strain clones under less then optimal conditions. I've now raised them all on a small box to put them closer to the light. They are sharing!!! :D

mycorrhizae, GREATWHITE. use that as a rooting clone powder. Clonex gel and clonex you will have super super strong roots quick too.

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Originally Posted by FreshStarts

mycorrhizae, GREATWHITE. use that as a rooting clone powder. Clonex gel and clonex you will have super super strong roots quick too.

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Maybe I will try that out next time with my rootech. As I remember :D, I used both powder and rootech the first time I cloned many moons ago. I can say the clones are looking better every day (photos soon) and they need their own space now since Im gonna need medicine and the mommas are waiting for the new bulbs so they can provide it. :cool:

the line up of the original 8 as of tonight. They get their own light tomorrow, unless they won't make the deal then I will get it online and have it in two days from Seattle. :D