My First Mixed Seeds Grow Log

Hello everyone,

First of all i apologize for my English.

I ve been following the forum for two years, i learned a lot in this time and i had 4 experimental grows. I didn't log them here but i will add some pictures of my old grows for you to see.

This is my first grow with grow log and with some other things such as brand seeds, soils etc. Hope we'll see the difference on growth with this log.

Here we go

Grow room: A small storage room without windows.
Grow area: W50cm x L60cm x H 200cm (for length additional 50cm is available. But will be needed extra light). Covered with black&white folio.
Lamps & Housing: 50cm x 60cm. 4x T8 and 6x e27 socket. and some good reflector folio under them. Total 200-250W planning.
Room Ventilation: 1 x intake bottom of the door and 2 x outtake top of the door.
Plant Ventilation: Intake: 2x 8cm silent pc fan (runs 24h), 1x 14cm case fan (runs with the lamps) Outtake: 1x 14cm case fan (runs with the lamps.)
Other Equipments: In/Out Thermometer & Hygrometer. Classical Music playing radio.
Water: 1:1 tap water:deionized water mix.
Soil: Green Label Totall Mix and peat, perlit, cocos, sand mix.
Nutrients: Hesi Soil TNT complex, Root complex, bloom complex, supervit, power zyme. Plagron Terra Grow, Terra Bloom, Alga-grow, Alga-bloom. Green Label Bio Booster. Aptus Bio final.

Grows will be in two group:
2 x Critical+ (Dinafem)
X x Bag seeds

I am not an advanced user of those brand seeds, nutrients and soil. I just get them from a festival for free. We'll see what happens.

Shopping List: PH meter, EC meter, reflector material, floro tubes, 25x25xXX pots. (XX: as long as possible)

I am planning to have 4 big pots in the area. 2x critical+ and 2x bag seed (or more if they can live together in one pot. I did before and it was ok). Since the bag seeds are old and have about %50 germination rate + %50 male rate, i planted 12 bagseeds in 3 parts.
First part planted at 19th of November and 4 of them showed up at 22nd.
Second part planted at 24th with 2 x critical+ seeds and first plant (bag seed) from this part came today (27th).
3rd part planted at 25th.
Now i have 5 plants showed up. Each under a cfl bulb. Two of them sharing 33W 6500k. 3 are seperately under 24W 6400k. All sharing 2xT8 18W 2700k and 6500k tubes.
141W in total and approx. 8250 lm.

Thermometer itself is on the surface where the pots are and I attached outdoor clip up, near the lamps so i am able the major highest and lowest temps in the area.
As result: near lamps (where there top of the plants) is around 26-28.5C , near surface is around 24-26.5C, Humidity is %30-40 Daytime. At night 20-22C and %40> humid.

I couldn't attach pictures. Let the log begin first, then we'll figure it out:)

I uploaded some pictures:

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Well, now i noticed. Those two fluorescents and 2 cfl's on the left are not on yet. They will be when all the seeds are up.

Also I will upload my previous grows as well. I didn't notice there were thumbnails. So this time they are in small size. Next time they will be larger.

Here i wil share my old growing pictures and some details. Since they're history there might be some missing information about details. I'll write as i remember. So, don't take it as a guide. Just look at the pictures and have fun.

My fist grow. Used standart plant soil from supermarket with tapwater and after a month or two added NPK granules.
1,2. Started near the window with 100w incandescent spot, a week later changed with 33W CFL in a parabolic reflector. 24h light. (There is one week between first two pictures.)
3. 5 days later i built a cabinet, placed 2 cfl lamps horizontally. Only 3 plants left, rest were males. On sunny days they were getting sunlight.
4. 2 weeks later there were 2 females only.
5. Added more lamps. Intake fans. I don't remember but i switched to 18 hours of light i guess. After a while went to flowering.
6. Near the end. 3 months old. other female was very small but same flowering.

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My second grow was better. Same soil and watering schedule. Started with more lamps. Intake fans. Got some organic nutrients.

1. The beginning with 5 plants. After a while 4 turned to male. planted more.
2. 1 female repotted, new generation is behind. Single female feed with NPK granules. Others are getting organic. Because of this organic pieces i got some flies i believe. I am still fighting with them even now.
3-4. 1 small female came out from organics. Was very healthy but in the end it burned out from over watering...
5. The older sister. Harvested in success.


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Third grow was the best of all with a little failure. I will upload those photos if anybody wants to see. Now chillin' a bit.

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Originally Posted by tevfik

Third grow was the best of all with a little failure. I will upload those photos if anybody wants to see.

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I decided to finish the history before anyone else writes a reply, so they'll be together in the very first page.
Here i'll go on with 3rd grow history.

This time started with better room setup. Lamps are stabilized. Added fans for each lamps. This fans are sharing the power adapter so they don't run with full power because of the noise they're making. Since there is heat from the bulbs fans turned out that many. Bag seeds planted in small pots with random supermarket soil and after a week all re-potted to the middle size.
1- 2nd week. of vegging. Added some nutrient granules to new pots.
2- 3rd week. Females (two on the back) potted to large pots. Two small still waiting for the sex confirmation.
3,4- The long female bended at the end of 3rd week coz it was already touching the bulbs. Other female is just fine
5,6- End of vegging stage. 5th week.
7- 2nd week of flowering.
8- 3rd week.
9- 4th week.
10,11,12,13- 6th week.
14,15,16- 7th week. Some problems occurred. Flushed.
17,18- 9th week of flowering stage. Problems got worse. Before this week when they were healthier topped buds from the LST lady. After this week all harvested.

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This is end of the history. I had 4th grow but i couldn't find pictures for it. If i find them i'll upload as well. But not here only to that photo sharing website.
here i give the link of the album.
All the pictures i have from the beginning to the end were this.

This was the history. Now lets focus on the new beginning. More photos coming...

End of the day one Critical+ and one more bag showed up from the second part of planting. I started giving numbers by age. 1,2,3,4 from the first part. 5 is bag seed from the second part. Sprout out this morning. 6 is the critical+. For an easy recognition i gave the number "6+" Sprouting out by now. 7 is the bag seed from the second part. also sprouting out by now.

To know them better here detailed soil info for each.
All 4 from the first part uses standard substrate mixed with peat 1:1. Pressed hardly. Added sand on top for keeping the soil wet.
From the second part, only Critical+'s using Green Label Totall Mix. Not pressed, just filled as it is and lightly compacted. More info about the soil:
Structure fine, moisture content 60, water capacity 6, air capacity %10
pH H2O 6,2 (+/-0,5) EC 1:1,5 1,2 (+/-0,4) Organic matter of the dry substance 75 Nutrition level High Wok 85 Weight 20
On the pack it says the fertilizer (N.P.K. + trace elements) supplies from one to three weeks depends on size etc. There is no more info about nutrients.

Bag seeds from the second part is using standard substrate: peat:totall mix: perlite approx. 3:3:3:1
For the third part i used peat moss:standard substrate:totall mix: perlite:sand approx. 4:3:2:1:1 ratio.

Watering all with 1:1 tap water:deionized water mix. added half amount of dosage tnt complex, root complex, supervit. I had to make 5 liters of mix to apply right amount of dosage. Watering with this water when the soil getting dryer. aprox. 2 times in 3 days. About 50ml per plant.

Questions
-I have about 9 liters of this totallmix substrate but it looks smaller than that. Should i make it fluffy like a feather pillows before putting into pot?
-I will make a mix (random substrate, peat, coco peat, perlite, and some other things on advice), use for all or use as it is for one or two plants only. Any suggestions on this?
- Is the water ok? What do you think about it?
-They all are in the picture. 2 and 4 looks a bit droppy and they have very dark color in the middle like red/brown. Why is that?

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This morning one more bag seed from 2nd part joined to the others and took the number 8. No signs from the others yet. Soil getting dryer, there will be watering in the evening.

"use for all or use as it is for one or two plants only. Any suggestions on this?

Prolly a good idea to use a "try me" on one or two plants only.

Impressive documenting!:cool:

Thanks for a fine grow log.
Subscribed.

Aloha,
Weezard

Thanks Weezard.
Now i realized i might be misunderstood. First two questions were connected. Somehow it ended up in the document like that.
"I will make a mix and add the totallmix in it or use that totallmix as it is." this what i meant actually. There will be other mix without it anyway. And using it as it is for one or two sounds much better. Since i used it for critical+'s i'm thinking to keep going with it to medium size pots and go to final size with some lighter substrate mix(will be decided later). Maybe this is too early to talk about. I'll re pot about a week or two weeks later but anyway talking is good, at least soon i will be able to attach photos here. Much comfortable :)

Second critical+ germinated. Took the number 9+
I think this amount is enough for the final light setup. Tomorrow i will run other lamps and set all the area for them nicely.
I made a graphic for the light fixture. Green numbers are the plants. White lamps are 6500k. Yellow are 2700k. There are two variants i am thinking on now. Either warm fluorescents are in the middle or sides. In the end there will be 181W 6500k and 36W 2700k(%16.5). Or should i switch all the fluorescents to 2700k? By doing that there will be 145W 6500 and 72W 2700 which makes the ratio of warm light %33
Any suggestions on this?

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Some seedlings....take more time that others....

one thing "Classical Music playing radio"....maybe try some Classic Rock every few days.....Van Halen.....Boston.......Styx.......Stones.....Sammy Hagar....
will help............:stoned:

Very nice log. Ill be watching this one :thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by weeddaddy50

one thing "Classical Music playing radio"....maybe try some Classic Rock every few days.....Van Halen.....Boston.......Styx.......Stones.....Sammy Hagar....
will help............:stoned:

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For now only option is the radio and no other good choices on channels than classic music. I also read jazz will help better than all.
I maybe make a little homework on this.

Today i switched on rest of the lights, and the temp is on highest value. 26,5C is the surface and 30C on top of the plants (80 & 86 F). %50 humid.
For humidity i covered the area with water trays. Before that it was around %30.

Temp will be lower (1-2 degree) when the pot levels are low. Now its just pots are blocking half of the air from fans.
Which is better? Stretched plants or one or two degrees lower temp?

[align=left]I gave them water 10 to 20ml. based on their humid level. Looks like from now on watering will be everyday by this amount of water.
When the rooms door is closed, temps are 27 & 31 C (80 & 88 F) +-1C When its open, 25 & 28 C +-1C. I kept it open as much as i can.
There are 5 cm diameter air holes on the door. 4 top and 4 bottom. I made 2 fanbox to be able to transfer air for every holes. I was working on this project very long. I tried every possibility. 5 cm axial fans directly on holes were weak and were making lot of noise. 8 cm computer fans with built box were quieter but they weren't so strong to push all the air on one direction. Also tried some other variants of axial fans. Either too noisy or weak.
Since then I'm using centrifugal fans, they are silent and strong to push the air. Specially when its needed to push. No air leak. I'm good with outtakes, but I'm planning to fix additional computer fans for the intake box to see if they make any better.

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Second week started for the 1st gen.
2nd gen. developing their first true leaves.
Two from the 3rd gen. germinating. They'll catch up soon.


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I checked fanboxes and there were sings for changes from previous tests. This mean i already tried different variations on this box. Just don't remember. This must be the best for them so i didn't make any changes.
I lowered the place where they'r growing and made the pots a little lower than before, turned big fans angle more to lamps. By doing all I managed to set general temprature to 26C (79F). Humidity is around %30-40.

1st gen. started their 3rd leafsets and tiny side stems are visible. Their roots coming out from the holes.
2 from 3.rd gen. germinated. There are 14 in total. But latest seedlings seemed little problems to me. 2 of them still trying to get up to surface for two days. Looks like they failed. Wait and see.

I'll mix water without TNTComplex (N:P:K 3:2:3) for this week. There is also PowerZyme, I'm going to give once today, or tomorrow to 1st and 2nd gens.

Now %33 warm white in the area. I changed all the tubes for 2700k and taped folio like here: Can I use foil on my florescents?. They look shiny now :D

Changed water to only deionized water with 0.7 dosage of Root Complex and normal dosage of Supervit.
For once added PowerZyme and watered 20 to 30 ml per plant. I'll use this PowerZyme weekly.

1st gen developing well enough. Their second set of leafs are already with 5 corners. Tiny side stems are more visible.
2nd gen is developing very healty.
3rd gen just too young yet.

First four had droopy leafs since three days. Yesterday i checked and soil was dry even at bottom. I watered. Water was not going, just staying on top. So today i decided to re-pot. I saw their roots were all around and too wet. Because of pressed soil, water wasn't going equally in the soil. It was all at the sides, and that over watered the plants i believe.
I used 11x11x12 cm pots.
For 1 and 2 I mixed 1:1:1 peat:coco:universal substrat and a little of perlit, sand. For 3 and 4 the ratio was 2:3:1.
They'll stay there until sexing.

We're just sittin' an' quietly, watchin'.

There's a soul settling serenity to watching new growth.:jointsmile:
It just feels, right!


Aloha grower,
Weeze

Good motivation Weeze, thanks.

Keep watchin'. :rasta:

There are no more seeds under the soil anymore. All germinated at this point.
I learned, my bagseeds have %100 germination rate if selected by looking at their size and color. Those failed at very beginning were different than usual looking. So that was the reason.
Now there are too many plants i have. I can't handle myself if comes out more than 5-6 female. Will figure it out somehow.

Olders are still trying to get back to normal. Their soil is still wet. No watering for them at least for 2 more days it seems.
Second generation is doing pretty good. Coz of soil or no nutrient water or both. 8 is very tiny. I like that.
Third generation looks good with their very mixed soils.
They live all together in their habitat except re-potted olders.
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Today i repotted 2nd gen. For 6+ and 9+ used Totallmix. For the rest used 1:1:1:1 totallmix: peat: perlit: universal substrate.
I just went to 12x12cm pots. I invented an easy technique to keep the plant clear and for fast repotting. Helped a lot for this size of pot.
First add a bit soil to bottom. Put same size of small pot inside. Fill around with soil, press a little (Making the soil humid before work will make easier). Take out the small pot. Put the plant in. Thats it.
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First gen. roots were already sticking out from holes. I added a bit soil at bottom of their pots. I don't think they'll stay there until sexing. We'll wait and see.

And here is general view.
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I recently bought 15x15x20cm (3.6 liter) pots for their second home. First repotting doesn't count, that was temporary :) First group couldn't stand in them anyway. Second group didn't show their roots yet but they would come in two days.
Here are the pictures.
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First and second group in their new medium size pots. They'll stay there until flowering period. And there is no more enough space for 3rd group.
For that I also bought 36w PLL's to make new light fixture. They didn't have sockets for bulbs in stock, so i ordered online. Waiting them to arrive, then I'll set the lights.
And have reflector folio to cover the area. All be done this week if sockets arrive.

By the way, 6+ and 9+ already started smelling. Today i was in the room for long time and smell of grass was coming bit by bit. On their website saying "beware of smell". I didn't think this much. Soon i'll need neutralizer for sure. Now i realized why did they give those seeds for free...

Looking good to me. I've got some babies that broke soil just 2 days after yours so watching you with keen interest.;)

I've been working for all day in the room. Yesterday i was thinking about sockets then found out wire connectors can be used as sockets for PLL's. I thought myself very clever, then during the research about wire connections i saw someone else already did the same. Whatever, i was so happy to found that way, because online shop was too lazy to send my order. I simply canceled. Yesterday evening i satarted working on new setup, end of today i finished. There is still something to do, but i am tired already. Tomorrow will complete the small things left.
Also yesterday i trained number 1. It was the longest, and i had similar strain on my previous growth. I know they're going tall, so earlier i applied LST.
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And here are the details from new setup. 3x36w 6400k, 1x36w 2700k, 1x26w 2700k. I had this 26w plugin type CFL previously. Decided to use now. 13400lm on 4.2 square foot area. 3200lm per square foot right now. On flowering cycle i'll add some more.
I fixed all the tubes with a flexible wire, so i'll be able to adjust them separately by plants size. Also , complete light fixture and pots stand are height-adjustable as well.
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Yes i saw the connection isn't fixed well, i am going to fix it when the ligths are off. Because of the "cold start" ballast i bought, i can switch on/off only 3 times a day. Otherwise it will shorten the bulbs life.

Since i have a very small room it was in total mess during the work. On final steps, an accident happened and number7 lost two leaves. I checked and stem on the side looked fine. Hope the stem can grow well without its fan leave. And 6+ lightly injured from the leave.
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I transplanted 3rd generation to 15x15x15cm pots. In last four unnumbered seedlings there is one mutant, very big and dark seedling. The reason i believe, seed was in the soil for too long and always got water, whatever left from the others. Totally mix with all kind of water i used and that collected all the nutrients and other elements in the pot. Finally cracked and absorbed all, then become a mutant (Officially number 15). There are three more like that mutant but they're small. 16 self topped by the same conditions, now two stems growing from top. 17 and 18 has very thin and long first true leaves.

In the end i am very much relaxed, this is done. All the plants are happy to share same amount of light now.

I'll attach missing pictures tomorrow...

Nice grow with all those flo's!:thumbsup: I'll keep a check on this log. Keep up the great work! Props to ya!!:jointsmile:

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Originally Posted by Agoblue97

Looking good to me. I've got some babies that broke soil just 2 days after yours so watching you with keen interest.;)

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It would be nice to see their coevals. By the way i have three or even four different ages here. Which group is coeval to yours?

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Originally Posted by GaGrown

Nice grow with all those flo's!:thumbsup: I'll keep a check on this log. Keep up the great work! Props to ya!!:jointsmile:

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Thanks! And you keep up the great motivation :dance:


So, where were we?
Today i set small pc fans to the right side. Yesterday only one big side fan was working. Two tubes was very cool coz of the fan. Right two tubes were untouchable (well... touchable actually, but for couple of seconds only). After i set the fans all the tubes (except for 26w) were cool. That 26w 2 pin CFL and it's ballast. They re getting very hot like any other CFL's. Now efficiency of that PLL lights are much more clear for me. In flowering period i was thinking to use my old CFL's, but this PLL's just took me from me. Now i want to buy two more 36w and I want some special ones for plants instead of 2700k. We'll see about that.
But PH meter and EC meter is more important than lamps at the moment. I have $50 budget for them and i'll order online with PayPal. So i want to get some advice from you fellas. I checked on Ebay and they start around $20 each (Includes shipping). These are the cheapest. Should i trust them or is there any specific features must have on? Its really hard to decide by myself and goods from US are ok but shipping is too high. Preferably from Hong Kong or any other low shipping options will be good.

Yes, i know, you all feed up enough already with lamps and fans and things like that. Alright, lets get back to the room and see whats going on in there.

Here is the general view of final setup (final for now...)
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Tomorrow fourth week will be started for the first generation. Well, since they had bad conditions about the soil, they don't look much 3 weeks old.
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To be continued...

And again, third week will be started for the second generation. They alright.

5 is showing preflowers. Couldn't take a good picture of it, tomorrow will be much more clear though.
Seemed male to me. Who's agree with me?
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Criticals (6+ and 9+) are going crazy. They didn't stretch as i expected, i was planning LST on them but since i have good light setup, can go like this i think. We'll see about that end of this week. If they strech enough i'll tie them down. At least one of them to see the effects. They're smelling much. Now the room smells almost same as my old grows 3rd months.
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7 and 8 are also good. 7 seems ok after the accident. Didn't effected much, so grows well.
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To be continued...

The youngsters in their big pots. Hope they'll like their new home.
They're 4 days younger than second generation. This is close end of their second week.
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Part 4:
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THE MUTANT GENERATION
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Coming soon...

Well, since my last post i didn't get any feedback about the meters. I don't have much time these days, to research about them. Think the best is "Do it yourself or go without."Today i watered all except for some from the 3.rd gen.

Today was feeding day for all.
With first group i went with tap water and standart dosage of Hesi's TNT Complex, Root Complex and Powerzyme. I'll stick on this Hesi for the first generation only. Hesi isn't organic.

For the second group i started Plagron Alga Grow, recommended dosage in 1:1 Deionized:Tap water. Alga concept is for use weekly. I choose Alga for them because its organic + soil is also Plagron.

Third group was wet enough, they didn't get any. Only mutants got Hesi's Root Complex with tap water. But 15 also got Alga Grow.

Here are the mutants.
15 is standing in 15x15x15cm pot. Just compare the leafs length with 14, standing next to 15. I put 2 cm sand on top, to see how much it will help to top roots.
Others are still in their seedlings pot. Some algs growing in their pots. Well, i have not much to say about them. Just have a look...
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It would be nice to see their coevals. By the way i have three or even four different ages here. Which group is coeval to yours?

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Take a look at my Grow Log.;)

Today 5 showed his sex clearly.

I'd load him up and I'd haul him away, And I'd shave him and dump him all naked and bare. He learned to live with it, he didn't care...

For test purposes I'll keep him there for a couple of days to see what happens when you cut off upper fan leaves to show more light to the lower branches. They were 3rd and 4th true leaves and as you see there are 9 petals (finger, point... whatever their name). This is very common thing i know but it is much more common to me. I Always have them even eleven. Right now other plants are also have 9 like this. Almost half of my plants produce these leaves. I was wondering what exactly causing to this?

Another male, number 3. He was just hiding there all the time and i didn't notice. I noticed a while ago the head was compact, now just checked and found his tiny balls.
Look how cute he is.
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There are more flowers from the others. 1,7,8. Not clear much, here i could took only 8. In couple of days they'll clearly tell.
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And critical's are not only smelling much, also trying to have as much stem as they can. Both like this.
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I applied LST on 8 and lower branches as well. This is a potential female. Looks like. Here are the pictures from her (I want to call "her" already).

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Another LSTd, number 1, showed his flowers. And left his place to 8.

Today i saw sockets in a shop for my bulbs and bought 6 of them. Now I'm going to buy one big reflector from growshop (40x50cm), then make a good looking, more stable, more effective and much safer light fixture. I am also going to hang them with thin chains. So there are couple of shops i should go. Lets see what will come out after all.

Growing is just going fine but some exceptions.
There are no news for the first group.They look fine. I'm expecting one more male from there.
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Good news from second. 6+ is the biggest in the room.
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Looks like 7 and 8 having pistils very soon. 8 didn't mind LST, growing just well.
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Second big is 9+ has some leaf problems. I don't know what exatly causes this. I'll make a search about. Also I might be drop something on her during the light changes. But she seems fine and growing as usual.
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Some members of third group have some nutrient problems i guess. Since they're experimental grows and so tiny, not a big deal though. I'll also try to take care of them. 11 and 17 are the smallest in the room. There you can see 11 with AAA battery. 15 and 16 doing well. They are no more mutants. There is no head and nothing is coming out for 18. Only first leaves and thats all. Not dying, not growing either...
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These are all the news for now.

Early morning first official female was 7. From now on her name is se7en. Second is 8. I'll call her smelleight. Couldn't find anything better :D Hope she smells well by taking this name.
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Yesterday a watered them lightly early morning with deionized water.
Today I transplanted 3 of them to their final size pots. 6+, se7en and 9+
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All used Plagron light mix. New pots (Final size) are 23x23x26 cm. On monday I'll bring more soil and put the rest females in bigger pots. During the process also i saw pistils on number 2, now only two females are in medium size. 2 is very small compared to the others, and she has some problems from the beginning. We'll see in couple of days. Right now if i count criticals too, there are 5 females already.
Criticals managed to have stems from under the cotyledons. 6+ also has something coming out from the bottom of second stem. Is this hermie thing or another stem coming out from there?
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This is 9+, managed to have a small stem from the cotyledon. And crtiticals together.
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I found this little fella on one of the plants. I don't know did it give any damage or were just hangin around. I fed my starving drosera with it. From now on I'll be wathing very carefully each plants to catch its relatives if there is any. I'm also making a research to find out who is this bug.
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Yesterday i collected snow from the street. Put them in bathtub, waiting to melt. Looks like I'll have 20-30 liters of water from them. I will keep collecting during the winter. Will help for flushing.

Today I brought more soil and transplanted smelleight to final size as well.
There are no other confirmed females yet. In couple of days some will show what they have. Also today just watered small pots. Bigger pots were fine.

Snow melted in bathtub, i transferred into bottles and carboys. Exactly 90 liters of water i got:whalephant: ($20 saved compared to deionized water, $40 saved compared to distilled water :twocents:). Looks like I'll have same process 2 more times to get enough water for flushing all the plants. Only problem is I already used all the bottles i have. :(

I repotted one more female. That was 14. Will find a name soon. No more big pot left. 15 was male.
Feed all with 4/3 dosage Alga Grow. This is the last grow feed. Next week i am switching to flower stage.

I changed light fixture (no more hanging wires) and added 4x23WCFL (2x 2500k, 2x2700k) on the small pots temporarily. I used all red, coz my blue CFL bulbs were already used much and not bright anymore. One more ballast on the way, when arrives i'll remove CFLs and add 2x36w PLL, then to flower...