Plant restrictions

high , guys a big problem that i see, is the state regulating plant size, amount yielding, and amount a patient can have on them. these rules are bogus, and everyone in the program needs to voice this, when asked how much do you need to medicate, say 1 ounce a day. even if you don't medicate every day.
Because the way that it is is dumb what about those that do need a oz. a day such as in concentrates for cancer or pain, or what happens when you build a tolerance and you are smoking or vaping 1 ounce or more a day?
It might seem like allot to you but I assure you 6 ounces for some people is only enough for on week not even 6 days. I know people who smoke up to 3 ounces a day in Cali for pain such as back injuries. One person in particular, started smoking about 1 gram a day to alive his pain. After 2 years of therapy and healing he was smoking over 3 ounces a day, in concentrate form. after 2 years he had felt his body healed well and started to stop smoking, he went cold turkey after smoking for 2 years strait, and 3 ounces a day at the end of this stretch. He said he had 0 with-drawl, stooped cold turkey because he felt he had healed enough to not be in pain any more. his movement is restricted a bit, but this is from the injury not from stooping smoking.
Anyway, a ounce a day for everyone is a good place to start when the state asks how much you need, and for these board meetings this has to be brought up, because in the future everyone who needs more than 6 ounces is going to be suffering or going poor very quickly. the 4 plant thing has allot to do with this, I have also heard about plant hight restrictions, this is also not good. different strains produce different amounts, if you have a small sativa plant it is not uncommon to only get a 1/4 of a oz. with small plants you get small yields this has to stop, there are many who need allot more than 6 ounces. The sate thinks they know what there doing but they don't, some of the dispensaries in NM think they know what there doing and they don't, this has to stop.
I saw a producer on you tube that has allot of auto flower strains and some of the worst yields I have ever seen the buds are bing curred with foliage on them, this is so wrong, from bud rot to foliage in you medicine. Why is the state, giving producer's licenses to people who have little to no, experience growing medical grade cannabis. they think no one has the knowledge when that is not the case, there are producer's here that do know what there doing, but obviously some do not. Is it that hard to find a patient that knows how to grow and have him work at the producers grow op? Fact is the state needs education on this as well, medical cannabis is a industry not a legal battle, how are we gonna get better when the people in charge hold us back so much, so I had to bring it to everyones attention.

When asked how much do you need say 1 Ounce A day. when they say well thats un herd of you tell them, it is very common in medical patients to need this much, even here that is why there will always be shortages here, even if 40 producers are approved tomorrow.

Great post mads,
so the DOH is accepting feedback until the 2nd.
I was hoping everyone would sign something like this, what do you think about the wording?, what should we ask for that would be an improvement, but not so crazy they wont consider it?

(insert name) am a patient of the New Mexico Medical Cannabis Program(id number), as the Department is currently accepting feedback, I would like to see the following changes made.


Change the plant definition so "Mature" means a female in flower, also increase the number of mature plants allowble by the patient to six(6).
Clarification on male plants.

Patients should be allowed up to twenty-four (24) ounces so that seasonal outdoor patient growers can harvest and keep enough medicine for a year, as cannabis only flowers one time in late fall when grow outside.


Patients who harvest and excess of 6 ounces indoors, or 24 ounces outdoors, shall turn over there excess cannabis to the already approve medical provides licensed by the state. If the product is free from all contaminates, the producer can give the cannabis away at no charge to indigent patients.



When the final draft is completed, print out a copy, sign it(include your medical mj id number) and mail to the DOH yourself, either through email, or good ol snail mail.

maybe everyone should have 24 ounce limit. would make things easier.

24 is good but even more would be better, I see no reason someone shouldn't have 2-5 pounds if they want. 5 pounds a month is good, also the thing about throwing you herb away by giving it to the cops is insane. The entire state has medical droughts and their throwing herb away.

Well currently I believe your primary care physician can recommend a larger amount for you, I def think we should be able to have more than 6 ounces though.

Especially when it comes to making edibles or tinctures...having more would be beneficial fot those that cook AND smoke/vape. I would love to cook with it at some point...but it may not be possible with the little amou
nts we are allowed to procure......and what if a recipe goes horribly wrong? Then you need another ounce or so just to start over. Sigh. yes I speak from experience.

yeah making eatables is a big one especially if your putting buds into butter and not hash into butter. And either way hash or buds your gonna need allot, 6 onces can be one cake if done right, and when its right its very nice. I know allot of new patients are like a pound what am I gonna do with a pound? but really what cant you do with a pound, and for those that need a pound their S.O.L. Allot of people still think pure extracts are to potent but really it is the dirty plant matter that is your cutting agent. Why not cut out the cutting agent and go pure and use less? is their something wrong with taking one hit or with eating one candy and bam insta-medication? 6 ounces is not much at all, plant hight restrictions? what if I'm growing summer trees? sunlight can grow for a whole year and cost pennies, vs growing 3 or 4 times a year and costing hundreds.

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Originally Posted by MimbresValley

Great post mads,
so the DOH is accepting feedback until the 2nd.
I was hoping everyone would sign something like this, what do you think about the wording?, what should we ask for that would be an improvement, but not so crazy they wont consider it?

(insert name) am a patient of the New Mexico Medical Cannabis Program(id number), as the Department is currently accepting feedback, I would like to see the following changes made.


Change the plant definition so "Mature" means a female in flower, also increase the number of mature plants allowble by the patient to six(6).
Clarification on male plants.

Patients should be allowed up to twenty-four (24) ounces so that seasonal outdoor patient growers can harvest and keep enough medicine for a year, as cannabis only flowers one time in late fall when grow outside.


Patients who harvest and excess of 6 ounces indoors, or 24 ounces outdoors, shall turn over there excess cannabis to the already approve medical provides licensed by the state. If the product is free from all contaminates, the producer can give the cannabis away at no charge to indigent patients.



When the final draft is completed, print out a copy, sign it(include your medical mj id number) and mail to the DOH yourself, either through email, or good ol snail mail.

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why 6 plants it is federal law over 99 plants is the big no mo. so why not 99 plants total? this is the way allot of rules are based Else where. maybe 99 is allot but why not 40 or 50 or even 25 in flower? this would make it easer for people to grow their smaller plants and still get bigger yields. 4 or 6 small plants even the smallest of lights is to big for this, well maybe not so much but you see what I mean. it is easier to get 1-2 grams per watt with a 600 or a 1000 than a 250 or a 150. especially if your having to deal with plant hight restrictions, which erxs me cause the state is not showing people how to grow for free you have to pay $100 bucks for a class, thats BS it should be free for all same as it is on you tube. people need the option to buy clones and seeds, and have a forum to get info for free.

exacticaly what I was talkin about look at this guy, and its not enough.

YouTube - 40 Grams Of Marijuana A DAY

I agree, the more the bettter, my buddy has a card and is growing huge bushes indoor just to get enough medicine for a few months and has to keep a tight continous harvest because of the limitations on plants.

yeah, im learning real quick that an ounce is not going to last me as ling as I hoped.....I hadn't smoke since february. I bought my first ounce, and I am building a tolerence already. As i stated before, I would also like to use my medicine in cooking applications or tincures, but @ 400 a pop for and ounce,
I am going to think twice before dumping my primo stuff in a double broiler full of butter.....

mads, if we go to the hearing on dec2nd, and say we need an ounce a day, how should we explain that we have been supplying ourselves with that?


I wish there wasn't any limits on how much we could have period, so stupid marijuana is illegal in the first place.
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Originally Posted by MimbresValley

mads, if we go to the hearing on dec2nd, and say we need an ounce a day, how should we explain that we have been supplying ourselves with that?


I wish there wasn't any limits on how much we could have period, so stupid marijuana is illegal in the first place.
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tell the truth say most of us are still suffering and can not afford all this 50 pluse deliver and cant grow a plant big enough to keep medicine in my possession. I know allot of medical patients and none have Oz on them. even the ones that are growing cause they stay with the hight limit. it is rare that I see some one with 6 ounces and a plant that was done with in the limits. if it was it was a indica dom strain, so what about the people that need sativa strains, when they ask things like why do you need so much or no one uses this much ask them to prove it. when asked to prove your cause show em the vid I posted, tell them how much in dry buds it takes to make a good medical oil, it is about 9% so 1 oz will give you 9% of 29 g. that means 9% is pure the other is plant matter.

if you use oil topically same thing, if you cook even more so, why do you want plant matter in your cookies it taste horrible and pure is more medical more potent. they think they know what is going on but they don't cause if they did they wouldn't have to ask questions like why 1 pound. they try to say things like we don't want it to turn into California, this is not California, prices will go down when product is abundant. but this is so far off; abundant means you would have a pound and your 6 ounces and trees growing in the garden, not a bag hidden somewhere with a oz or 2. they want to regulate when they dint even know how to administer, or use cannabis in a medical way, they are throwing all of you in the same boat as non medical. they think that getting high will keep you quiet, when in fact eating can cure.
I had some one question why I want in the program he said you not dieing, so If I'm suffering but not dieing I don't count? yeah that makes allot of sense, Cannabis is a cure for allot of people but no one even know this they think smoking will alive everything when it alives allot but administering differently is the cure, you have to eat it and allot of it. it is impossible to eat 2-3 oz a day of buds but in pure form it is very doable. allot of people don't know this, if they tell you something you know is not true then tell them to prove it. and be ready to prove everything I am saying to. the run for the cure videos, you tube cancer patients, there is allot out there non of it is in a library cause the government wont sanction tests or studies it is all done independently by colleges.

being well educated on the subject of cannabis is your defense, the more they lie the more you can call them on it, the more they get caught in lies or just plain ignorance the more they will see they don't know shit.

they talk of possible criminals taking advantage of the program, is that the sick patients problem? or is that a problem of the law. do we pay taxes to have them deal with what ifs or to back up the law that is already in place?

think on this in 5 years after paying 50 or 60 a 1/8th where do you think you will be. poor? in debt? in need of more medicine? I spend about 900 a month on herb and I work full time sometimes 2 fulltimes. they say that if someone smokes this much they will be brain dead, WRONG, they say this is too much, if it alleviates my pain and keeps me working, then I say they are WRONG.

the simplest of things when there is a medical drought why would you turn in herb to be destroyed? WRONG how are we gonna have skilled growers in our community if the state says how we grow, if they know so much then why are we in the situation we are in? shortages, little report on the benefits of cannabis, I have seen some people on the news so big times respect for them. we need to start taking this in to our own hands if someone out their has a good story on how cannabis has helped them then call the media, prepare a story to tell them. If they start getting 5 stories a week on how medical cannabis helped me then it will help people see the benefits. But the most important thing is if they say no you say no back, don't be fooled into thinking they know best cause they don't you do.

YouTube - RUN FROM THE CURE - The Rick Simpson Story (Part 1 of 7)

this man gave up everything to bring this message to the world, he saved hundreds, some say thousands, of lives. He changed the minds of allot of doctors, because their patients started coming back cancer free. it is no joke same as cancer or any illness is no joke, it can heal it can cure, but they say no evidence is present. when their are hundreds of people walking around cancer free. they want a book or a studies when its people like them that keep the studies from happening.

don't get caught up in their conundrum, educate your self, and if you have to just repeat what their saying

YouTube - MichelleRainey's Channel

another great place for info, unfortunately Michelle scummed to cancer a month or 2 ago, she was great inspiration to us all. the information Her and JefTek give us is very important, and a good way to remember her is to speak the truth on cannabis, and how it can be a amazing plant for medical reasons. nothing but respect for the Rainey family and also to Jeff.

I cant tell you exactly what to say because everyones situation is different, but you all have one thing in common their is no medicine and shortages are all the time. math would tell me that if you could grow bigger you could have more. also if you could have more then shortages in between harvest would not happen or happen as much. I still believe the dispensaries are here to try herbs that better suit you needs they are not here to supply your medicine, this is not feasible there are millionaires in NM but they don't have to worry about herb shortages or buying herb at all, their millionaires they can get herb from anywhere. also if you had more you could try the cure and not fear of running out of medicine month later. 6 ounce cap doesn't even make sense, ask them who came up with this number? and why? have them explain them selves the take there crap apart same as a lawyer would do. go into that meeting ready to debate like battle, and when they say no say no back, when they say prove it pull out you lap top and show them let them know we are not going to back down when there are so many suffering. their are no real studies because they keep them from happening and the studies that have been done are old and a mockery of science and not to mention cruelty to animals, let them know this is what they are supporting. they are supporting ignorance they are not letting the valid arguments come throw. when they say we have herd this before tell them your gonna hear it again cause you still don't know the truth. simplicity is easier when it has the truth to back it.

Thanks mads.

Big day tommarrow, good luck