SEEDS? and NAMES??

High All, hope your all having a wonderful sunday morning! I here all the "hype" about seeds for sale, even bought some myself, yet I still wonder if it's not all a bunch of malarkey! (B.S.) do you think that you actually get the seeds you order? or is it some lowlife with a mason jar full of seeds getting rich?? what do these company's have to loose if there dishonest? prosecution?? I ordered blackberry seeds from what I gathered was a reputable seed company and am hoping for buds that look very close to what the add looked like, do you think it'll happen? My fingers are crossed!!

The same thing with names, I'm a big fan of the durban poison and I've seen ""Durban poison" at different dispensaries and in many cases it doesn't look, smell or taste the same from dispensary to dispensary!:wtf: so my question is, are we being PUNKED???

Bought my seeds from Amsterdam and UK and received exactly what I ordered. Both had quaility webpages and showed genuine professionalism.

TGA, TH Seeds, Centennial. These are trustworthy companies. They have local offices too so you can hold someone responsible for malarky.

Be careful in dispensaries buying seeds. I bought some "Pink Lady" in a dispensary from TGA seeds. This is a hard strain to get. I was impressed the shop had it in their seed collection. When I got it home and went to pop the beans I was super pissed to find the staple on the cardboard had been removed and restapled. When I got the seed bag out I noticed shake mixed in with the seeds and one seed was cracked and broken. Someone probably took out the solid genetics and replaced it with some bullshit hermy seeds and tried to market as a TGA product. :mad::wtf::(

Seeds are all ab what company you buy from.. seedbay, seed botuiqe, doc chronic are all established solid companys who ship in orig seed pack.. Don't buys seeds if they are not in breeder packs! period.. I'm sure someone will not like this but.. Stay away from th seeds and subcool.. There "local" packs are trash.. How can th seeds move from Amsterdam to ft Collins and begin selling seeds right away? they couldn't have brought their parent stock over here.. Instead they showed up with a bunch of seeds and started them and began breeding the seeds in ft Collins.. these are not stable crosses and I won't sell th seeds gear until they have been here for years yo start over their entire operation! Not just show up with some seeds and cross them together and ask $90 bucks a pack.. subcool seeds are also trash imho, subcool moves tons of seeds here, I suspect if you ordered packs from breeder bay you will get better seeds from him.. For now he pumps most of his crap strechy time wasting genes here thru the cheesecake lady from Oregon.. He is not local and those selling his watered down wares are breaking the law.. I know very little ab centenial seeds but I gather they are doing things right by starting hereblocal from the ground up.. It takes time to build a truely deverse strain libary! hope they do well

Jason
D9

In your experience with TH and Subcool have you seen different phenotypes in the pack? I am growing the Burmese Kush and have two different phenotypes from the same seed pack. I had a 100% germination rate with seeds from these two companies but was a little irritated to see different phenos because it means the strain is not stabilized.

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Originally Posted by Greenergy

In your experience with TH and Subcool have you seen different phenotypes in the pack? I am growing the Burmese Kush and have two different phenotypes from the same seed pack. I had a 100% germination rate with seeds from these two companies but was a little irritated to see different phenos because it means the strain is not stabilized.

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Exactly! 4 packs of mk grown out and not 2 plants look anywhere near eachother.. several phenos, exact same thing from tga seeds.. Super strechy low yielding, varying phenos.. with that said I'm sure there is keepers to be found but who wants to grow 4-5 packs to find the one plant that your looking for? Completely unstable.. Completly! Rez has more stability in his gear and he prob uses half the breeding stock?

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Originally Posted by Delta9Caregivrs

Seeds are all ab what company you buy from.. seedbay, seed botuiqe, doc chronic are all established solid companys who ship in orig seed pack.. Don't buys seeds if they are not in breeder packs! period.. I'm sure someone will not like this but.. Stay away from th seeds and subcool.. There "local" packs are trash.. How can th seeds move from Amsterdam to ft Collins and begin selling seeds right away? they couldn't have brought their parent stock over here.. Instead they showed up with a bunch of seeds and started them and began breeding the seeds in ft Collins.. these are not stable crosses and I won't sell th seeds gear until they have been here for years yo start over their entire operation! Not just show up with some seeds and cross them together and ask $90 bucks a pack.. subcool seeds are also trash imho, subcool moves tons of seeds here, I suspect if you ordered packs from breeder bay you will get better seeds from him.. For now he pumps most of his crap strechy time wasting genes here thru the cheesecake lady from Oregon.. He is not local and those selling his watered down wares are breaking the law.. I know very little ab centenial seeds but I gather they are doing things right by starting hereblocal from the ground up.. It takes time to build a truely deverse strain libary! hope they do well

Jason
D9

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Jason, if you're a local pollenchucker and you haven't spoken to the grower at centennial, you're missing out. good luck.

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Originally Posted by yetibear

High All, hope your all having a wonderful sunday morning! I here all the "hype" about seeds for sale, even bought some myself, yet I still wonder if it's not all a bunch of malarkey! (B.S.) do you think that you actually get the seeds you order? or is it some lowlife with a mason jar full of seeds getting rich?? what do these company's have to loose if there dishonest? prosecution?? I ordered blackberry seeds from what I gathered was a reputable seed company and am hoping for buds that look very close to what the add looked like, do you think it'll happen? My fingers are crossed!!

The same thing with names, I'm a big fan of the durban poison and I've seen ""Durban poison" at different dispensaries and in many cases it doesn't look, smell or taste the same from dispensary to dispensary!:wtf: so my question is, are we being PUNKED???

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most companies are reputable. b4 you buy anything do your homework. visit websites check out strains from different breeders, check out reviews on message boards like this one. after a while youll start to get a feel for things. most strains on our dispensary scene, dont know much about them because breeders popped out of nowhere and started their wannabe hack lines. as far as getting what you see in the ad, you better be a very good grower and very patient. a lot of what you see is a finely tuned grow with temperature and organic experimentation to increase color intensity, then is backdropped to enhance the actual appearence...dutch passion is awesome at that, look at their pics vs. some other companies. dp is a good mid grade company, strawberry cough, power plant (a good one), skywalker and on and on. the problem you pointed out is oh so clear, nobody knows shit about what theyre selling. durban is possesed by several different breeders. each durban is crossed with a house strain or not at all. then a bunch of idiots buy said seeds and cross them with their own crap and call themselves growers and sell their bitter wares to you the dissapointed consumer. i personally would choose seed over dispensary clones without regret. order somas afghani delight, or next generations romulan, nevilles haze from greenhouse seeds, hell even nirvanas bubbleicious is better than what ive seen. so in conclusion be patient and keep learning and you will feel more confident. luck to ya mate:thumbsup:



meded so you can mededicate to mededitate

We carry Centennial because they're the only company we have seen results from so far. I'd highly recommend the Django, "21" and Roughneck. I'll be posting pics this week, can't wait to show you guys. :jointsmile:

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Originally Posted by Greenergy

In your experience with TH and Subcool have you seen different phenotypes in the pack? I am growing the Burmese Kush and have two different phenotypes from the same seed pack. I had a 100% germination rate with seeds from these two companies but was a little irritated to see different phenos because it means the strain is not stabilized.

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of course your going to have different phenos...its called hybydization. not every seed will be the same no matter how homogenized it is. if your at 60% your doing good. this is the importance of cloning in order to salvage attributes that are favorable. pick your best mum and clone it. good on ya mate!




meded and clones...ave you seen me daad

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Originally Posted by TheReleafCenter

We carry Centennial because they're the only company we have seen results from so far. I'd highly recommend the Django, "21" and Roughneck. I'll be posting pics this week, can't wait to show you guys. :jointsmile:

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WHO?????
breeders, lineage...please



meded is a hell of a drug

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Originally Posted by Delta9Caregivrs

Exactly! 4 packs of mk grown out and not 2 plants look anywhere near eachother.. several phenos, exact same thing from tga seeds.. Super strechy low yielding, varying phenos.. with that said I'm sure there is keepers to be found but who wants to grow 4-5 packs to find the one plant that your looking for? Completely unstable.. Completly! Rez has more stability in his gear and he prob uses half the breeding stock?

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thats how you find a mum and grow good bud. order direct if you doubt the quality. or through qualified brokers. stability comes from generations of breeding skill, not from people who have intermediate knowledge. tga has always been top notch and i would buy them from quality sites not locally. rez is good also however buy from a quality scource.


meded out

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Originally Posted by MEDEDCANNABIS

WHO?????
breeders, lineage...please

meded is a hell of a drug

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Check out their website for the basics: http://www.centennialseeds.com/catalog.htm

I'd also echo what cologrower420 said. Pick up a phone and give them a buzz. Everyone up there is extremely personable, knowledgeable and they won't BS ya.

Centennial Seeds rocks. Definitely check them out, talk to the breeder.

I'm running both Django and Roughneck.

(and am vegging an ECSDxRoughneck)

Centennial 'specializes' in more indica-dominant strains. Their new hawaiian strain is supposedly much bushier/indica dominant, better for some indoor grows.

It's worth it to check them out, the website at least.

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Originally Posted by copobo

Centennial Seeds rocks. Definitely check them out, talk to the breeder.

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I'm surprised he hasn't posted in here yet... :detective1:

Oh-No now I'm a little worried:( I bought my seeds (blackberry) through visc seeds and they came in a little slotted plastic see through case (of sorts) each strain (seeds) in different slots, then they were sealed in with cu-tips ends and then cut off at the tip?

Who knows? we'll see what happens! so far the 2 seeds I've planted have turned up female, but are they true blackberry's? we'll see! thanks all for your comments.:thumbsup:

Don't think there is any cause for alarm. I'd just recommend picking up at least a six pack of Centennial and giving them a try. Good luck with those beans! :thumbsup:

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I'm surprised he hasn't posted in here yet... :detective1:

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The site he posts on is more for growers (him), it seems like this site has more patients, those who don't grow.

There are other sites for local growers that have less off topic content and more grow content in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by yetibear

Oh-No now I'm a little worried:( I bought my seeds (blackberry) through visc seeds and they came in a little slotted plastic see through case (of sorts) each strain (seeds) in different slots, then they were sealed in with cu-tips ends and then cut off at the tip?

Who knows? we'll see what happens! so far the 2 seeds I've planted have turned up female, but are they true blackberry's? we'll see! thanks all for your comments.:thumbsup:

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I've never had a problem with VISC, and neither has anyone else I know who has ordered from them. You should be fine.

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Originally Posted by yetibear

Oh-No now I'm a little worried:( I bought my seeds (blackberry) through visc seeds and they came in a little slotted plastic see through case (of sorts) each strain (seeds) in different slots, then they were sealed in with cu-tips ends and then cut off at the tip?

Who knows? we'll see what happens! so far the 2 seeds I've planted have turned up female, but are they true blackberry's? we'll see! thanks all for your comments.:thumbsup:

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vancouver island seed company, is a breeder from canada and are pretty much on every brokers list. im after fuckin incredible for $150. i think youll be ok, cannadians are working hard at their breeding programs to surpass amsterdam. Americas program has gone awry since the mmj explosion, i believe to be due to haste. slow your roll people;)


meded the willie wonka of cannabis

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Originally Posted by cologrower420

Jason, if you're a local pollenchucker and you haven't spoken to the grower at centennial, you're missing out. good luck.

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Jason and I have met :) Maybe some day he'll swing by for a visit and a :jointsmile:

And to the rest of ya's, thank you for the kind words. We're trying to do things right.

Since the beginning, we've been growing out large blocks of plants from seed and whittling down the numbers to the top 5-10% of what comes up. This takes time and money and patience. It is the only way to weed out undesirable character. There are no shortcuts.

In our rooms we run ambient humidity and we do not enhance CO2. As a result, our lines tend to run well in Colorado's weird-ass environment. Anything that doesn't fare well here is excluded. Thrippy strains, nute sensitive strains, anything that stresses in our environment gets tossed.

Before we release anything, we feed our development strains to our local grower-partners who, we feel, put them through the wringer and push them hard to produce. These people are no-BS, tell-it-to-you-straight operators who know what to expect from plants.

I post most at gardenscure but also at TY, THCFarmer and some of the private seed collectives. We have access to pretty much anything we want, but we try to focus on genetic lines that have not yet been commercially exploited.

Our current project is based on a wild strain from Dagestan, a Russian Republic on the Caspian Sea. I'm pretty sure we're the first people to grow these in the US and probably one of the first groups in the world to hybridize this particular seed source.

Having said all of that, some of our stuff will be good, some of it less so and hopefully, some of it will be good enough to find its way into your gardens.

Whatever you walk away thinking, know that we take the responsibility seriously and we know what is at stake for the people who grow our stuff commercially and for those who are self reliant for their own meds.

-Joe (ben@centenni...)

What is the climate like in Dagestan relative to Colorado?

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What is the climate like in Dagestan relative to Colorado?

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More coastal, New Englandish in longitude. I read in a wine atlas that the soil there is generally chalky like Chablis (ancient oyster beds). We saw difficulties when our solutions were too acid, but I expect the first increase generation to be a little better adjusted to the tray.

The plant is short with very narrow leaflets and a bright fruity fragrance. It tends toward citrus/sweet/sour. Here's a pollinated top:


http://boards.cannabis.com/members/j...agi600x400.jpg

There were some plants that were sexed and labeled male then switched hard to female and then grew balls. Point being that there are naturally occurring intersex plants in wild populations.

We managed to find one very nice male, one that grew strong and healthy and showed no signs of female expression.

We've honored that male and used it in a few crosses with our female standards. We'll harvest seed from this project in mid-December. It'll be fun to see the outcomes.

I'm rambling :) Peace. -Joe

High All, well it's been 3 weeks sense my posting and I have to say that there are still no colors coming out of my blackberry darling! I think maybe VISC seeds may have pulled a fast one on me:upsidedow

She's on her 5th week into flowering and still no colors (reds, purples, other colors) then green and light green! I'm still very happy that she's female(so-far) but I purposely ordered blackberry!!

Also I went on-line to get to there website and all I can get is a advertisement for post-cards?:wtf: I guess the colors could still come, but everyday I loose a little more hope!!:( here's some pics

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Originally Posted by yetibear

High All, well it's been 3 weeks sense my posting and I have to say that there are still no colors coming out of my blackberry darling! I think maybe VISC seeds may have pulled a fast one on me:upsidedow

She's on her 5th week into flowering and still no colors (reds, purples, other colors) then green and light green! I'm still very happy that she's female(so-far) but I purposely ordered blackberry!!

Also I went on-line to get to there website and all I can get is a advertisement for post-cards?:wtf: I guess the colors could still come, but everyday I loose a little more hope!!:( here's some pics

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Lower your temps. The colors will then come if they're in the genes...

lower your lights out temp. Needs to be at least 10 degrees cooler than lights on, and preferably under 65 degrees F.

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Originally Posted by yetibear

High All, well it's been 3 weeks sense my posting and I have to say that there are still no colors coming out of my blackberry darling! I think maybe VISC seeds may have pulled a fast one on me:upsidedow

She's on her 5th week into flowering and still no colors (reds, purples, other colors) then green and light green! I'm still very happy that she's female(so-far) but I purposely ordered blackberry!!

Also I went on-line to get to there website and all I can get is a advertisement for post-cards?:wtf: I guess the colors could still come, but everyday I loose a little more hope!!:( here's some pics

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make it colder and use only organics. still, it is genetics and no reason to assume that certain phenos will show their true colors.

and btw, you are worried about the wrong thing :)

(IMO)

the only colors I care about are white and amber

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Originally Posted by copobo

and btw, you are worried about the wrong thing :)

(IMO)

the only colors I care about are white and amber

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Originally Posted by cologrower420

Centennial 'specializes' in more indica-dominant strains. Their new hawaiian strain is supposedly much bushier/indica dominant, better for some indoor grows.

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First.
Please explain exactly what a "Hawaiian Strain Is? Genetics of said strain???

Second.
If you are want to know your true genetics...breed your own seeds. Over many years. Then you won't have to take anybody's word on exactly what it is. You know...You made them.

Third.
Hawaiian weed is only grown in HAWAII. Sure, you can ship the seeds anywhere, but without our conditions, the end product will not be near as good as if it was grown in Hawaii.

Hawaii is a place, not a strain. We have hunderds of strains. We are justifiably proud of our work. Anybody can slap Hawaiian in front of the strain name. It doen't make it Hawaiian. And frankly it cheapens our brand name.

they have a website. google centennial seeds.

here's what they say about the strain (which I'd like to give a shot!)

(Hawaiian Heirloom Variety)
This seed stock came to us as a gift from the beautiful Waipi'o Valley (pronounced â??why-pee-ohâ?�) on the North shore of the big island of Hawaii, USA.

Waipi'o Hapa is remarkably vigorous, finishes fast and produces heavy yields every time. The fragrance is of fresh lime and hibiscus flowers.

The effects are undeniably Sativa, both stimulating and strong. We recommend Waipi'o Hapa as appropriate for:

pain, energy, mood elevation, appetite suppression