OMG please help me supernewb here!

Hey guys welcome to my first post and shockingly its a cry for help its my first time with everything so dont be too mean.
Background info:
160 total watts from 4 4ft floro bulbs two cool day two plant/aquarium
miracle grow organic soil
mg soluable plant food occasionally
orchid bloom for the big girl been two weeks since last treatment
ph balanced 6.5 water feed foliar and soil every other day small amounts though.

I recently had a severe whitefly problem and treated 3 days ago with neem oil and since then the plants have been very upset with me.... I need help asap!

The first pic is one of my 3 girls she was transplanted about 3 weeks ago and hasnt done much since she is soil under 4 40watt 4ft floros and kinda looks mad at me...

The second female is omg super screwed i transplanted her but due to it raining and me being very frustrated with my bitch i kinda took frustration out on her and pulled up a few roots on accident its been 3 days since transplanting.

The last one is strangely the first girl i ever got she is huge and 4 weeks into flowering but recently after the neem treatment for whitefly her lower leaves look kinda sad and depressed.
Any help is much appreciated thanks alot!!!

Those burnt leaves and dark green color are telling you it's way too much nutes (fertilizer). Remove all dead leaves.
#1 I'd flush well and give more light, no nutes for 2 weeks or so.
#2 I'd mist with pH'd water and keep soil moist/damp, not wet drippy. No nutes. Treat it like a clone, perhaps humidity dome too. It may just be a gonner though.
#3 I'd continue, prolly less nutes as above, flush if due (once a month at least) and mainly give lots more light. If the lamps are hanging above I'd remove them and stand up along both sides of the flowering plant like a sandwich or book ends. Do they still use book ends? Put the T-12 bulbs almost touching the leaves! They don't get hot so no worries. More light, more, more, more. Get all the CFL bulbs (26 watts or more, more the better) and put as many as you can in there. I'm trying to say more light.

Doc Oc.

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Originally Posted by glockglade

and me being very frustrated with my bitch

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That's not nice. :hippy:

1000Bulbs.com | F40T12 Bi Pin - Fluorescent

If you compare the bulbs above by "color temp" and Lumen output you'll notice the "Warm White" is what you want now. Warm is yellowish light for flower while "full spectrum or daylight" bulbs are cooler and blueish for vegging/cloning/seedlings.

Change those bulbs to warm white and ditch the middle of the road cool white and sorry but those plant bulbs are an expensive gimmic. Go by color temp not plant pictures on the fancy label.

DO

Maybe they don't like to be called bitch. Mine respond well to sweet talk. :giggity:

thanks so much any other info... i think im just gonna kill the really weak one flush the other middle one and sandwich the big "nice and stunning" lady with the lights good idea!! I will keep you all posted. but any other info would be nice...

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Originally Posted by Sprite

Maybe they don't like to be called bitch. Mine respond well to sweet talk. :giggity:

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I use the Bill Cosby approach. I tell my ladies "I brought you into this world, I can damn well take you out. And make another one that looks just like you".
Seems to work fine...:jointsmile:

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Originally Posted by Rusty Trichome

"I brought you into this world, I can damn well take you out. And make another one that looks just like you".
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I like your style... except i dont really have any replacements so it would be a weak threat at best and they are very smart she might know better...

i love to talk dirty to my bitches. i tell them all the bad things i would do to them with my stud male plant. It makes them get very wet and sticky. They know there place and compete to be my best bitch. or somthing like that...

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Originally Posted by bobjob4u

i love to talk dirty to my bitches. i tell them all the bad things i would do to them with my stud male plant. It makes them get very wet and sticky. They know there place and compete to be my best bitch. or somthing like that...

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I wonder...could you crush-up and bottle something like Eau de Studly Male, and spray it around the room? Get the ladies hot-n-sticky without risking pollination...

I guess you're not looking to the NOW for votes on gardener of the year...? (Google)

i was just honestly have fun. i love my girls till there death... and alot more after.

Crude, lewd and rude. :fish: No wonder his rep point are shut off.

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Originally Posted by bobjob4u

i was just honestly have fun. i love my girls till there death... and alot more after.

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Originally Posted by Ocotillo

Crude, lewd and rude. :fish: No wonder his rep point are shut off.

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you can still rep or neg rep these peeps, it just won't show up to the public.

-shake

what are rep. points? i dont pay much attention to the other rubbish on here just facts and info. :thumbsup: whats was so rude saying i enjoy my plants through its life cycle. And of course after its harvest is the best. Correct? or i am missing somthing.... i think i love them more then my girlfriend......:jointsmile::jointsmile:

So how they hangin', glock...?

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what are rep. points? i dont pay much attention to the other rubbish on here just facts and info.

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They are a good way to judge how well you are fitting into this little society, and are often given when one either makes a great point, or crosses the line of social acceptance. (the good and the bad)

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Originally Posted by bobjob4u

whats was so rude saying i enjoy my plants through its life cycle.

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Possibly it was the sophmoric inferences you were associating with a sexual experience. Or perhaps the' lovin' after death' reference that soon followed. Hard to tell, but the way weirdo's are now-a-days...those of us with daughters don't find this kind of humor particularly funny.

i myself am a father of 2. i do understand your concern for those nasty sex offenders. But i was talking about plants. not humans. I am totally sorry if i offended anyone. I am very highly respected in our co-op club. Maybe i should just show my passion through the great things i learn here. Thank you rusty for the explanation . I highly respect you and i agree with other's that your knowledge and constructive critisim rank amongst the best on this site.:jointsmile:

Of course you're missing something. If you go around disrespecting our female board members by gratuitously abusing the word bitch and say you like inanimate objects more than (not then) your own girlfriend..... Then you'll never get it. Grow up and go back to your 3rd grade English class to learn spelling boy.

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Originally Posted by bobjob4u

whats was so rude saying i enjoy my plants through its life cycle. And of course after its harvest is the best. Correct? or i am missing somthing.... i think i love them more then my girlfriend......:jointsmile::jointsmile:

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"So how they hangin', glock...?"

Ok the little lady got axed the other day she didn't make it she was the worse looking of the three. The middle plant has not taken off yet but she is looking better every day after i cut the dead leaves off and gave only water now.....
The big lady i don't know whats wrong with her after i posted here the other day just been giving her little bits of water foliar and a splash to the soil. So every day her lower leaves droop and seems to droop more and more every day, but heres the tricky thing in the morning after night sleep her leaves look perky almost and stand up almost perfect and as she goes through the day she looks not so perky on her bottom. I don't get it the flowers are looking real nice though i added another 60watt house bulb with reflector to give the lower flowers some more light here is the pic i just took shes about to go to bed this is what she looks like at night and in the morning she comes back up????? WTF?
Sidenote: I never call my gf the "b-word" i refer the "Bword" to my cranky and finicky non human females. Sorry if this thread went bit off topic
PLEASE HELP I DONT WANNA LOSE HER SO FAR IN!!
Compare the first pic of her in the thread and then the last one.

Did you ever fill out a trouble shooting form, the link is in Rusty's sig line.

They look terribly dry, when you say "giving her little bits of water foliar and a splash to the soil" is that how you are always watering? When they say to not over water that is not what they mean. You should water thoroughly, completely soaking the soil pot and getting about 10% excess runoff. It's even better to do this in stages. I like to water a little and let it soak for 5-10 minutes, repeat again 2-3 times total. Let the soil dry out on the top 1-2 inches and then it's time to fully water again.

Also if you have never flushed yet I'd do that to kill two birds with one stone.

If you want to be really good you'll test that first runoff water to see what's going on inside the soil pot. High pH and high ppm/EC would indicate time to flush. If you don't have a ppm/EC meter flush once a month or more. If you don't have a pH meter you could use fish tank "drops" test kit although water color will skew results.

Stick your finger a couple inches into the soil, is it wet or dry? I'm betting dry.

GodSpeed, Oc.

1) Type and wattage of lights. (MH, HPS, CFL's, tube fluorescents, LED's) Floros 2 plant 2 cool blue t12 40 watts four bulbs 160 total + 1 60watt floro house bulb with reflector
.2) Distance from tops? Close 6 inches or less
.3) Reflector type? (cool tube set-up, bat wing, enclosed reflector, bare bulb...) nothing fancy white case?
.4) Is there a consistent fresh air supply? sort of i do the best i can
.5) Do you have an exhaust fan and a circulation fan? yes
.6) What are the bulb wattages, kelvin ratings, and schedule? 40 watts

Your medium:
.7) Specific brand and type of soil, (coco, peat based soilless...) and anything you've added to it. (vermiculite, perlite, worm castings...) Soil mg organic choice
.8) Size of container. 5 or 7 gallon?
.9) Did you use peat pucks (or similar) to root clones or germinate seedlings?
no
Your nutrients and water:
10) Source of water? (tap, bottled or filtered) What's it's ph before adjusting? filtered 6.5 ph tested ph b4 is about 7.4
11) Method of checking water ph. (ph pen, test strips, aquarium test kit...) ph phenol red
12) Method of adjusting water ph. (phosphoric acid, white vinegar, hydrated lime, PH Up...) ph up or down
13) Specific brand and N-P-K ratio for each bottle. List dosages (quantity per gallon) and current feeding schedule. hasn't been feed in two weeks foliar fed mg orchid bloom
14) How often are you watering between feedings, and how much per watering? once a day foliar and every other soil
15) Any additives or tea's? (Superthrive, CalMag, molasses, Mother's Earth...)No
16) Are your ph levels stable, or do they fluctuate? Not sure
17) What is your ingoing water's ph? ...your runoff ph? I can find out if necessary
18) Do you foliar feed? If so, with what, how often, and at what time do you spray? water once a day in the morning usually

Your growroom:
19) Indoors or outdoors? Indoor
20) What size of closet, room or hut? Bath-tub
21) What are the temps and humidity levels while lights are on? ...With lights off? about 75 on 73 off
22) Have you seen signs of insects in the growroom?
yes, treated with neem in warm water mixture through foliar a week ago seems to be helping alot (white fly, and thrips)
Your strain: Euphoria
23) What strain are you growing? (Indica dominate or Sativa dom?) No clue
24) From seeds or clones? seed
25) Is this an autoflower strain? no clue


Ok it was dry! im just scared to do this flush thing so close to being done my green thumb is wearing off. How is the proper way to do this? And should it be done in the morning or at night? How much water is a good flush? Until i flush should i water now meaning at night or in the morning? Thanks keep the help coming

Excellent sticky thread on flushing:
http://boards.cannabis.com/plant-pro...hy-how-do.html

Again, I either water fully with plenty of run off, or I don't (usually) water at all (with few exceptions). Flushing is usually just like watering except you use 2-3 times the amount water than the size of the pot. When you don't flush all those salts (nutes/fertilizers) accumulate which is not good. Plus they are dry, very dry. Please, no more "light sprinklings", water like you mean it.

One more thing, notice how light the soil pots are before watering. After you water thoroughly notice how heavy the pots are. Make a mental note to water when the pots get light as that's about time to water again.

just watered not flush but i will this weekend if you think needed the water run off ph is almost the same going in as out in was around 6.5 out was around 6.8ish i will update you with how things go shes very stinky... thanks for all the help

Sounds good, next time I'd flush since you've not been getting runoff every time in the past. Prolly in about 2-4 days you'll be getting light and time to water again, I'd flush at that time. Don't let them wilt again, water a day or two before that. The next time after the flush I'd get back to the nutes, about 1/4 to 1/2 dose as on the directions. In fact, probably half dose is the highest you'll ever want to go anyway. They always recommend too high so you buy twice as much product, IMHO that is of course.

Now that you are giving them more light she may need a bit more water. Just watch for the signals; pot light in weight and top 1-2 inches of soil is dry. Dry meaning not literally bone dry, you'll have to get the feel for it.

One more thing, when you fist transplant you'll need to water less often. If you have to water too often you may be overdue for a potting up.

Oh, and it's customary to water when the lights come on. I don't think it's critical, just ideal.

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Originally Posted by glockglade

just watered not flush but i will this weekend if you think needed the water run off pH is almost the same going in as out in was around 6.5 out was around 6.8ish i will update you with how things go shes very stinky... thanks for all the help

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Good, those numbers are right on track.

Keep up the great work you green thumb master you! :weedpoke:

Best wishes, Oc.

P.s. I'm supposed to also tell you to keep reading and researching too I guess. It really is good advise except when you need "emergency" help before it's too late.

Its so funny ive spent hours and days researching the issue with my big female and all it was, well water. I gave her ample water last night and literally shes back 100% and swingin for the fences... Amazing somebody should add underwatering to the info online for problems with plants. Thanks for the help I will keep you updated with pics and the final result I CANT WAIT!!!

So i saw my baby today after work and her flowers are lookin good gave her 1/4 strength nutes foliar and came home and she was lookin like the other day again but not as bad, i think the whitefly may have had something to do with it because the leaves the flys were on were the leaves that didn't look so good. So i just gave her another neem treatment (16oz water, 1/3 ounce neem oil, warm water splash of dish soap then sprayed underside of leaves thouroughly and the tops lightly) Just an update the flowers look plumper today after less than 10hr nute treatment. I will update tomorrow unless somebody has a good idea or two for me. BTW im not that worried top 1/3 of her is lookin incredible (see im learning...)

The middle girl is going great i topped her 3 days ago the big girl has prob one week left maybe 2 shes almost done!!! I will post pics of finished! It Stinks like whoooooaaaaaa