Bible versus about pot

I've got to say that the Bible versus that have been quoted about pot have me wondering. The ones I have seen quoted say things like God put all seeds, herbs and plants here for man's consumption and sustenance. Yet there are other plants such as tobacco, opium etc. that are here and can be harmful to us... So I personally don't think these versus can be used as justification...

As a Christian, I personally think moderation in all things is a key and I have to be careful as to how much and when I am using marijuana.

What say you?

Old school irish catholic here, im staying nuetral on the translations of scripture but heres two things to think about, one, anthrax is natural, idk if thats is exactly here to nurish us and, two, acoording to the book the evil twin also provides us w evil tempts too... Im interested to see where this thread goes. Im sure itll make for a good debate.

Man, I don't know. But those older bibles with the thin pages provide a great source of emergency rolling papers, so . . . :stoned:



"What are you smoking man?"

"Revelations."

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Originally Posted by Angler

I've got to say that the Bible versus that have been quoted about pot have me wondering. The ones I have seen quoted say things like God put all seeds, herbs and plants here for man's consumption and sustenance. Yet there are other plants such as tobacco, opium etc. that are here and can be harmful to us... So I personally don't think these versus can be used as justification...

As a Christian, I personally think moderation in all things is a key and I have to be careful as to how much and when I am using marijuana.

What say you?

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The Torah (esp. Exodus 34:6-7) commands observant Jews to treat the ill and injured with compassion, which argues strongly in support of medical cannabis in cases where conventional treatment has become ineffective, or where mmj is the treatment of choice. AFAIK, that is the position of all major Jewish organizations in America. At the same time, Halacha (Jewish law) is also pretty set against drunkenness and intoxication, so the recreational use of mj to get stoned is severely frowned on.

Halacha also puts a lot of credence in human law where it does not conflict with what's in the Torah. If secular law prohibits mj, then one must have strong justification to defy the law. Where it is legal or quasi-legal, such as exists now in Cali since the Governator signed the decriminalization law, there's a lot more grey area.

As for worshiping mj as the "tree of life" that I heard on NatGeo's "Drugs, Inc", no Rabbinical Council is likely to subscribe to that nonsense. OTOH, Genesis 1:29 does say "Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is on the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat."

Elsewhere in Genesis and in Psalms more is written about plants and foods being for human consumption. There are strict injunctions about eating unclean animals and parts of animals, but I don't recall any injunction against specific plants. When the Torah was written mj may well not have been known in that part of the world. After all, the earliest records of mj in archeological finds are only about 2700 years old.

I'm no Rabbi, though, so treat my comments with reservation... :)

Hmm. Those are some interesting points. I can see that, as in many other cases, the Bible can be twisted and turned into making it work out for your beliefs (including, oddly enough, a belief in divine rolling papers!)...

If the earlier archeological records date back 2700 years ago, and assuming it did grow somewhere in that part of the world, perhaps Jesus would have had something to say on the matter, but who knows...

Just curious if the Rastafarian religion uses Biblical quotes or are there written quotes from Haile Selassie that are referred to regarding marijuana use?

P.S. I really do know the difference between "versus" and "verses" -- I guess I hadn't had my coffee in the morning when I wrote this...;)

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Originally Posted by BlueBlazer

Man, I don't know. But those older bibles with the thin pages provide a great source of emergency rolling papers, so . . . :stoned:



"What are you smoking man?"

"Revelations."

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hah u must of been desprate i used high times magazine before but never bible:rastasmoke:

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Originally Posted by Xyz505

hah u must of been desprate i used high times magazine before but never bible:rastasmoke:

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I found it gave me a more "spiritual" high . . . :S2:

..not sure about the exact wording, but even Jesus said; " It is not what goes into your mouth, but what comes out of it that makes you to sin."

No offence, but I find it to be alot better to be more spiritual than religious.
Religions tend to make you feel guilty about a lot of stuff, whereas being more spiritual gives you a true peace and a better connection to God.

:thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by BlueBlazer

I found it gave me a more "spiritual" high . . . :S2:

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Fuck man I love reading your posts, :D

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Originally Posted by BlueBlazer

Man, I don't know. But those older bibles with the thin pages provide a great source of emergency rolling papers, so . . . :stoned:



"What are you smoking man?"

"Revelations."

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hehe, i can go one better, hollowed out an old bible and used it as a stash spot for my weed, however because i do believe some measure of respect should be shown to religious artifacts i felt it would be wrong to throw all the used pages in the bin, have them hidden in my desk drawer and i plan to smoke every last page.... so far im only halfway through genesis.... got a very long way to go

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Originally Posted by GetDown

hehe, i can go one better, hollowed out an old bible and used it as a stash spot for my weed, however because i do believe some measure of respect should be shown to religious artifacts i felt it would be wrong to throw all the used pages in the bin, have them hidden in my desk drawer and i plan to smoke every last page.... so far im only halfway through genesis.... got a very long way to go

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Be careful there are side effects from smoking too many bible verses.

Big head, ranting on and on and on about bible verses no one cares about, robotic adherence to a primitive moral code, temporary memory loss over hard to defend passages, etc. :cool:

I have to admit, a bible full of weed is the only useful bible I've ever heard of. :thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by Angler

I've got to say that the Bible versus that have been quoted about pot have me wondering. The ones I have seen quoted say things like God put all seeds, herbs and plants here for man's consumption and sustenance. Yet there are other plants such as tobacco, opium etc. that are here and can be harmful to us... So I personally don't think these versus can be used as justification...

As a Christian, I personally think moderation in all things is a key and I have to be careful as to how much and when I am using marijuana.

What say you?

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1Co 6:12 All things are lawful unto me:thumbsup:, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any:beatdeadhorse::detective1::detective1:.

There's numerous things that are pretty important that were never discussed in the new testament. You would think one of the big things was that Jesus would have told people that the earth isn't flat and he might have mentioned something about homosexuality. Every miracle you find in any versions of any of the religious texts was in older pagan religions long before Jesus ever showed up. A lot of the miracles came from ancient summerian texts. All myths and fantasies. Stories told to kids while sitting around fires, nothing more.

Here is one that refers to using cannabis for making anointing oil to be used on the sick.
"Moreover The Lord spake unto Moses, saying, Take thou also unto thee principal spices, of pure myrrh five hundred shekels, and of sweet cinnamon half so much, even two hundred and fifty shekels, and of sweet cane(this word in original hebrew was kineboisin which is where the word cannabis comes from) two hundred and fifty shekels, And of cassia five hundred shekels, after the shekel of the sanctuary, and of oil olive an hin: And thou shalt make it an oil of holy ointment, an ointment compound after the art of the apothecary: it shall be an holy anointing oil." (Exodus 30:22-25 KJV)
This recipe is still in use today, although some substitute calamus for cannabis because of a mis-translation or prejudiced views.
It was also used to make incense that the high priest would breath in before he went into the holy of holies in the tabernacle from the old testament.

I think I remember from Torah, it's forbidden for anyone but the Levitical Priests to make the Holy Anointing oil. I'm going to have to see if I can find the instructions for the oil.. You have to remember too, you can't just take a single verse from Scripture without taking all of them into account. I really try not to take text out of context, and read the whole chapter.

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Originally Posted by BlueBlazer

Man, I don't know. But those older bibles with the thin pages provide a great source of emergency rolling papers, so . . . :stoned:



"What are you smoking man?"

"Revelations."

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Maybe that's why they leave those Bibles in those motels... They all have a Coke machine but there is never a gas station nearby to get some rolling papers ! God bless the new testament... i smoked the shite outta that chapter !!! I'm working my way to the Jewish chapter as we speak !!!

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Originally Posted by dzydeb

I think I remember from Torah, it's forbidden for anyone but the Levitical Priests to make the Holy Anointing oil. I'm going to have to see if I can find the instructions for the oil.. You have to remember too, you can't just take a single verse from Scripture without taking all of them into account. I really try not to take text out of context, and read the whole chapter.

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The new testament says that we are all kings and priests. dzydeb if you have a personal relationship with God just smoke or however you enjoy cannabis and then spend time alone focusing on and praying to God and feel the way it opens your mind to God it is amazing. At least it is for me. I believe that we all have the right to commune with God in our own way.

I believe there is no "New" Testament, it's a continuation of the "Old", it is all the word of Yah. I do believe that all scripture must agree with itself, so if the old and new contradict each other, there is either a problem with translation, or our understanding. In the case of as you say, we are all Kings and Priests, it does agree with all of scripture. :)

I have communed as you say while smoking and yes, it is wonderful. But I also believe that we have to ask how does Yah want our worship? Many times we see in Scripture how the Children of Israel were punished because they tried mixing what they thought was acceptable practice of worship and what Yah expects from us. The first example is the Golden Calf incident.

I read Scripture very literally, and if it says don't eat swine, I don't eat swine. But I haven't read anywhere, don't smoke Cannabis when in worship. But I do find an instance where the sons of Aaron came to the Temple to do their job, they came drunk and didn't do the Holy Incense the correct way, and were instantly killed. There are Blessings when we obey and curses or punishment if we do not. He made them an example. I must say, the Children of Israel were a stubborn bunch. I don't want to offend my Abba by being arrogant enough to think I can come to him in my own way. When you love God, you want to obey. What did Jesus say? If you love me, keep my commandments. :) Don't smoke Cannabis in Worship isn't one of them. :)