Males, Females, and early recognition

This questionâ?¦.is it a maleâ?¦..is it a femaleâ?¦..comes up so often that I thought that Iâ??d try to consolidate information in one spot. This isnâ??t so much new information as Iâ??ve seen a lot of this posted elsewhereâ?¦.just an attempt to â??bring it all togetherâ?�.

The Genotype used here is a nostalgia strain called â??Gainesville Greenâ?�. Itâ??s a hybrid and quite sativa dominateâ?¦..if in fact others experience different results with different strains then this is the place to show and tell.

We will always have new growers here (the teachers of tomorrow) so Iâ??ll start off with the basics. A male nanners, anthers, or balls (technically a male calyx) and a female â??calyxâ?�.
As we progress into early recognition Iâ??ll probably just use the word â??nubâ?� (for which Iâ??ll probably take some heat) as theoretically it isnâ??t mature enough to be either one yet.

Weâ??ll start off with a picture of balls (male). These are developed enough that there is no doubt as to their sex. I wonâ??t be posting anything more developed here as Iâ??ll be working to the less developed end of the spectrum. For new growers and experienced alikeâ?¦..hereâ??s a link sent to me by Weezard dedicated to pictures of males only. https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=130287 Just beautiful, thanks for the contribution Weeze. :D

The important thing for the beginner to study is the overall shape of the podâ?¦.itâ??s fullness and itâ??s taper (or lack there of). Getting that feeling in mind will help us as we regress to the lesser developed â??nubsâ?�.
Notice also that the nanners come in clusters and that this early on the calyx (calyces) stand alone. Later on when the calyx clusterâ?¦..thatâ??d be your budsâ?¦.Bud!
For the beginner notice that both calyx and nanners both develop at the internode junctions.

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And weâ??ll work our way backwards to some a little less obvious. Theyâ??re actually much harder to see with the naked eyeâ?¦.thankfully the magnification of the camera shows the true character earlier on.

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Higher up even the camera doesnâ??t magnify enough to be totally clear. But the clustering pretty much gives him away.

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Now since Iâ??m only allowed 5 pictures per post hereâ??s a couple of females. Theyâ??re pretty youngâ?¦.but thatâ??s what suits our purpose. An early female doesnâ??t photograph all that well from straight on so here are a few profiles.


The first one young enough that only a single pistil is present.
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Hereâ??s another even youngerâ?¦.itâ??s still so new and the pistil is so very fine that it doesnâ??t show up very well. But it is there even at such an early stage of development. This particular plant is only going to give us one calyx on this side. If you look through the crotch to the back side you can see the two pistils of a more developed calyx.
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That should be enough so that the untrained eye can pick up the difference. So letâ??s move on to factors for early determination. Weâ??ll talk about the females here and do the males in a following post as weâ??ll need more pictures.

The first thing to notice for the females is the conical shape of the calyx. Wide at the base where it grows right off the main stem, straight to a pointy end where the pistil emerges. The overall shape is the giveaway.

Also to notice is that the calyx attaches tight to the stem (it doesnâ??t stand off).

This particular plant was topped at the seventh node. The calyx develops here firstâ?¦.and matures here first. It doesnâ??t take a lot of time for the calyx to throw a pistil. So all in all the female is the quicker to identify in itâ??s early stages.

I'll move on to part 2
HMR

The males are a little slower to develop. Iâ??ll start with some pictures and work backwards to the earlier stages.


The thing to notice here (beyond the rather plump ball shape) is that the balls are going to want to stand off the main stalk on their own little stem. The female calyx grows tight to the main stalk but the males are going to want to eventually stand off.
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Hereâ??s one a little earlier. Youâ??ll probably have to zoom in to see that the ball is away from the stalk on itâ??s own less developed stem.
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And here in itâ??s infancy. The one on the left shows the ball forming and the narrowing coming off the main stalk. Thatâ??s where it will elongate itâ??s stem later on.
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And another showing the ball and the â??stem to beâ?� coming off the main stalk.
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This plant was also topped at the seventh node. So this will be the spot to watch for the first indication.
WARNINGâ?¦.do not expect the nub to mature here firstâ?¦.while the plant will give you the first â??nubâ?� here, look above for the first mature balls on higher or newer growth.

I hope that this serves the community for early recognition and to get the males out of the grow room as early as possible. If youâ??re still not sure remember that you have about ten days from the time that the males are quite obvious to remove them from the presence of â??Le Femmeâ?�.

HMR

thanks horseman, the info helped me out a lot, I'm a newbie that has never seen growing boys and girls before, helped me A+ in id'ing my babies.

Very good pictures to show the differences. :thumbsup:

Purpleroot,

Glad to be of help, thatâ??s why I went to the trouble. And thanks for finally bumping this threadâ?¦.after about 250 reads it needed to get back to the top where the newer growers can find it. This question gets asked so often.

WW,

A nice compliment coming from someone who spends so much of their time and experience giving back to the community. Thanks for all you helpâ?¦.even if sometimes they forget to say it themselves. :D


HMR.

Hello HMR,

I'm glad this did get bumped up too :thumbsup:

Missed it initially, but you know how us newer growers are....slow on the uptake!

Excellent thread and great pictures, I think I may even be able to figure out which is male and which are female with this great reference. Keep up the good work.

OM

Coudnâ??t unnerstan yaâ??â?¦..prolly had yer tongue in yer cheek!

Sonnyboy.


Picture quality a gift from Sr. Zardlyâ?¦.Gracias Wee!

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Originally Posted by Horsemanrocks

Coudnâ??t unnerstan yaâ??â?¦..prolly had yer tongue in yer cheek!

Sonnyboy.


Picture quality a gift from Sr. Zardlyâ?¦.Gracias Wee!

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:oShucks!
Pictures are easy.

This thread has been well crafted.

I'm impressed with the clarity of presentation.:cool:
Wish I could do dat.:(


I'd call it "sticky" quality.:thumbsup:

"You must spread..."

Mahalo nui.

Wee

"You must spread..."

It seems that no matter how much rep I give, Iâ??m never allowed to give rep a second time to the same person. If I remember correctly Redtails has the same glitch going for him. Maybe a moderator will wander by with the ability to fix that.

I always try to show my appreciation for good workâ?¦.sometimes that means saying thank you in somebodyâ??s album. Then of course thereâ??s guys like Headshake with no album. I posted a very weak picture for an album just for the purpose of communication. (you listening Shake)? :D

I'd call it "sticky" quality.

Thatâ??s probably a good ideaâ?¦..cuz I imagine the question is gonna be asked a time or two more.

Well Weeze the biggest comment has been the quality of the picturesâ?¦.Job well done. :thumbsup:

L8r mini gator,
HMR

HMR, Yeah I think my tongue was in my cheek when I typed that.

But I'm with the 'zard on this one....should be a sticky! :thumbsup:

OM (hey I didn't have to spread the love, guess I hadn't hit you up in awhile)

OM,

You sir, can jerk me around any time youâ??ve a mind toâ?¦â?¦been that way since the beginningâ?¦â?¦no reason to change that now.

Iâ??m just happy that youâ??ve recovered and are here to do exactly that. :)

Respect,
Sonnyboy.

Itâ??s pretty hard not to comment on the new avatar. It takes a lot of courage to post your picture hereâ?¦â?¦it sure explains why you call me Sonnyboy. But then you probably call practically everyone Sonnyboy. (excluding Tonto of course).

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Strangely familiar thoughâ?¦..I think that I saw you in Vegas in the 70â??s. Maybe the Whiskey River has taken my mind.

Confused,
HMR

Aloha, Sonnyboy,

Have a care sir.

He's already done tol' ya;


"Don't touch my Willie!":mad:

Or, anything that his Willie has outlived, Yah?:D
He has mastered the art of baiting you.;)


Dat good ol' countryzard, Weeze

Hey HMR, regardless of what you think and whatever Countryzard says, the new avatar was not meant to bait you. I've been thinking about changeing it for the last week or so. Then just the other day, a long time friend who has said I do look like Willie sent me that pic. With it was a note, "damn Mac you do look just like him...you could pass for his OLDER brother."

Intially pissed, I realized "I resemble that remark". :D BTW, I've had a few compliments on it already.
OM

:D:D:D:D
Good to see ya, ya ol' fart.:)

Equus loves it when you kid him.
Makes him feel "sonny boy" young.:)

Aloha,
Wee zard

(posted a pic of your lights in my album, 'zat :cool: with you?)

Hate to go OT on such a nice thread, but...

Well the business end of this thread was pretty much taken care of in the beginning. For me, that puts enjoying the â??localsâ?� back to top priority.

Intially pissed, I realized "I resemble that remark". :D BTW, I've had a few compliments on it already.
OM

As well you should have my friendâ?¦.for you are an extremely handsome man. ;)

It does leave me confused as to who exactly I partied with in Vegasâ?¦..I suspect it was you because the guy I partied with sure could put away the weed!


I did a re-read of my initial post and Iâ??d like to rephrase something.

WARNINGâ?¦.do not expect the nub to mature here firstâ?¦.while the plant will give you the first â??nubâ?� here, look above for the first mature balls on higher or newer growth.

Let me change that to:

WARNINGâ?¦.the plant may or may not mature here firstâ?¦.at times the plant will give you the first â??nubâ?� here, but mature balls on higher or newer growth.

Equus loves it when you kid him.
Makes him feel "sonny boy" young.

You make me feel so youngâ?¦..you make me feel thereâ??s songs to be sungâ?¦â?¦â?¦â?¦â?¦â?¦â?¦â?¦â?¦â?¦â?¦â?¦â?¦â?¦â?¦â ?¦..

Hasta el proximo vez,
HMR

Hey Weezard,

Of course you can use my light pic. (BTW it's 660 watts, not 900) :D

OM

Woops!:o

Seems I gets fuzzier alla time.:stoned:

Mahalo, I'll go edit dat straight away.

Wee <Exit, stage left.>

It's been a month.....bout time for a bump.

Hope to have been of service,
HMR

I think it is time I added my posting about early recognition as some folks are starting to experiment. Though it is here: http://boards.cannabis.com/advanced-...ml#post2068667 I will just quote the text here to keep folks in this thread.

I will also add before I do this, that I now am starting to look at the seed itself before planting. I look for a perfect circle at the end that was at the stalk. So far, every perfect circle seed I have planted in the last year has been a female.

That being said:

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I am sure I will hear about this. I have do documentation to prove this other than my observances over the last 1.5 decades.

I believe in it enough I took a plant that had not shown and put it in the flower room. Did that exactly 7 days ago. Today it showed.

I have a theory. I did identify this as a female on day one of germination. My only proof is a friend, and my word. You don't wanna believe, then so be it, don't be nasty. I am posting in advanced so I don't mess with newbies heads. Chripes they worry too much for this old fart.

So, my theory is:

If a seedling comes out of the soil and there is dark red streaking or dark red stem watch this closely for signs of being a female.

Additional signs are red streaks in the main stem. Red 'dots' on the petioles. NO red in the leave veins (which is a deficiency). The petioles may even have red streaking.

I germinated 3 of the same species, one showed today, another I killed today because of poor phenotropism, and the last one is still in veg and not showing. I believe that one is a female too, but it is growing quite differently from it's sibling.

Conversely, Male seedlings are green stalk. No red in the petioles, they also are green. They grow faster, taller, leaner and using those criteria, I have not been wrong yet.

Maybe this is just a fluke. But someone or something I read somewhere a long time ago in a land far, far away....(back to life now) I heard this. I did not believe it. I think I do now.

There are additional little indicators, like the parts I call the spurs. They seem to look more like crossed swords early in life whereas in males they just look like pointy things sticking up.

I know I came outta no where. I do try hard to document and have references for what I state. This time it is just experience.

Are there people that agree with me? I am sure we have dissidents. Like I say I cannot prove this, but golly gee, if I am risking $300 seeds and just throwing them in a flower room, I sorta believe in what I am doing, I am not a risk taker.

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Now I have had one instance of the red not showing. It was recent. I picked a 'female' seed by the criteria stated, and it is almost done flowering at this writing. So, it seems the butt end of the seed may be even more accurate. This plant has never shown any of the red at all throughout it's life.

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Originally Posted by WashougalWonder

Now I have had one instance of the red not showing. It was recent. I picked a 'female' seed by the criteria stated, and it is almost done flowering at this writing. So, it seems the butt end of the seed may be even more accurate. This plant has never shown any of the red at all throughout it's life.

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Many have seen in my grow log that I am attempting to prove this theory. I have attempted to label the sex of 4 seedlings at day 6 using Washougal's criteria. This has resulted in 2 hard ID's with one plant clearly indicating male and one clearly female with a solid red main stalk. The other two are not so clear, but I have noticed something and wonder if others can confirm this from pictures of their early plants. In all but the big fast growing green one that we think is male, the main stalk between the first true leaves and the first internode is clearly red (day 16). Is this a true indicator? Time will tell.

Emmie

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Originally Posted by WashougalWonder

I now am starting to look at the seed itself before planting. I look for a perfect circle at the end that was at the stalk. So far, every perfect circle seed I have planted in the last year has been a female.

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I have also been testing your early sexing technique and from what I have observed, they have showed signs of being female from as early as day 4. Next, I'll have to test your perfect circle on seeds theory. Why do your posts make me get all "Bill Nye"? haha :detective1:

Happy holidays to all!
:noel:

while i laid in hospital this thread went from pics of nice normal pre-flowers to red streaks on seedlings and prefect circles on seeds :wtf: i'm finding it impossible to resist the urge to sprout a few dozen seeds to test these theories ....da*n internet...,must look at every seed with mag glass , record round or not , label seed ,look at each sprout ,record red streak or not.....THANKS....THANKS ALOT......so much paper work ahead:( .....or maybe hobble on back to bed and let the young folks take care of it ......damn pharms are kicking in...fuck it...call me later baby.

For what it's worth, I noted the shape of the seed's li'l 'ole when planting 2 horseflowers.
One was quite round, one was oval.
The oval became a male with a touch of purple on a few fanleaf stems, but none on the main stalk.
And the round 'ole seed jus' popped pistils but has the exact same coloration, or lack of same.
Looks like dis;
First, da kane. (male)

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Den, da Wahine
Shorter, fatter, but same coloration, yah?;
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"There are additional little indicators, like the parts I call the spurs. They seem to look more like crossed swords early in life whereas in males they just look like pointy things sticking up."

I'm thinking that the "crossed swords" thingie is more dependent on the diameter of the stem, which is in turn, affected by the speed of growth.
Males generally grow a li'l faster.
Faster growth will "skinny up" the stalk and cause the spurs to cross.
So, in a way, it is an indicator.:cool:


Aloha,
Weeze

Since this thread was to get the newer members a place to startâ?¦..Iâ??d love to continue on with earlier and earlier methods.

For the newer viewers that donâ??t know what Washougal and the WeeZard were referring to about identification from viewing the seedâ?¦.hereâ??s a link with pictures to bring you up to speed.
http://boards.cannabis.com/advanced-...-sex-seed.html
Thatâ??s certainly better than my awkward attempt to describe it.

I only have a magnifierâ?¦.but I donâ??t have a camera to share that kind of magnification, so if any EyeClops users have the interest to post a picture or twoâ?¦..Iâ??m not willing to spring the $100+ for the BioniCam just now. I might have to wait until I pull anotherâ?¦..I mean have another job!

Weeze, Iâ??ll go back and look againâ?¦.but from memory the 27 yr old â??horseflowersâ?� seed almost never seemed to have a round pocket at the butt, while the 2010 horseflowers seed appeared across the board much more symmetrically round.

The last few seed that I popped were supposed to be femmedâ?¦..one turned out male. I really should have lookedâ?¦.oh well, I will next time.

Washougalâ?¦â?¦backtrack back up to my second post and then down to the third picture. That bad boy has some very red petiolesâ?¦..while the girls(pics 4 and 5) in the first post arenâ??t nearly as redâ?¦..tell me what you think (they are the same genotype). Iâ??m not totally sure that I get it.

You knowâ?¦.we could post a few seed butt picturesâ?¦.take bets on M or F. Who knowsâ?¦this could turn out to be a good little money maker. :D

Still plenty to learn,
HMR

Horse, WW had referred to his early sexing of seeds in post #20 in this thread."I will also add before I do this, that I now am starting to look at the seed itself before planting. I look for a perfect circle at the end that was at the stalk. So far, every perfect circle seed I have planted in the last year has been a female."

So far his early sexing id of early growth plants has been right on the money. There are still a few weeks left in my experiment to be sure his techinique is on the money with my gals although, from my personal experience, I am predicting that WW is on the right path to early id'ing of plants. If this if proven to be fact I will have a lot less termoil waiting to see if my plants are going to yield me something special or going to be a genetic experiment for a later date.

Needless to say, I am hoping that this "new" techinque is something we can all call upon in the future ... is anybody as excited as I am or am I just freaking :stoned: out of my mind?!?

Just so I didn't step on your toes Horseman. :thumbsup:

I am thinking I want some pollen and growing out a male might just be a good way to test the theory - the other way. Need to look thru seeds now and find oval irregular flatter seeds.

Hey WashougalWonder,

I am currently doing this myself too. Here is the link if anyone is interested. http://boards.cannabis.com/indoor-gr...h-project.html

Hey Ya'll,

I find the seed shape indicator and stem color indicator, for sex ID to be very fasinating. But it is important to be able to sex the plant the "old fashioned" way, just like Horsemanrocks' pictures at the beginning of this thread shows.

You are going to see a bunch of newbies in the comming months with questions like....."I know it's a female plant 'cause I used a round bottom seed but the plant won't make flowers..." you all know what I mean.:D

The old fashioned way has not failed me, and when I want a surefire method of having female seeds....I make them.;)
OM

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Hey Ya'll,

I find the seed shape indicator and stem color indicator, for sex ID to be very fasinating. But it is important to be able to sex the plant the "old fashioned" way, just like Horsemanrocks' pictures at the beginning of this thread shows.

You are going to see a bunch of newbies in the comming months with questions like....."I know it's a female plant 'cause I used a round bottom seed but the plant won't make flowers..." you all know what I mean.:D

The old fashioned way has not failed me, and when I want a surefire method of having female seeds....I make them.;)
OM

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A'ight!

Nex' time ya whip up a batch of femmed seeds, take macro shots of their "naughty parts an' we'll run 'em by da roundness detector.*

(*Jus' show 'em to da male plants an' stan' back!:D)

Howzit O. M.?
I figure dat folks lookin fo' early I D get what dey need inna firs' two posts, yah?
So, on-topic is well covered.
We can amuse ourselfs wit' dis specutatin' n weed pokin' at da back end.
Dey jus' snip dis off when it goes sticky.:)

Aloha, y'all
Weeze

Yeah, Sonnyboy didn't seem too worried about being OT.

Just like the old days, hanging out on somebodies back porch, watching the grass grow.

I gotta great story for ya and HMR and whoever. I fired up the old still last week, somebody with a bar/resturant asked me to produce a few jugs for New Years. Since Christmas afternoon we've been doing homemade eggnog with it, great stuff. Well this AM when asked how he'd like his eggs; scrambled, fried or poached Tonto replied "nogged" so for breakfest we started with eggnog.

BTW for the last few days we've been snowmobiling....you can't do that in HI!:D

OM:thumbsup:

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Yeah, Sonnyboy didn't seem too worried about being OT.

Just like the old days, hanging out on somebodies back porch, watching the grass grow.

I gotta great story for ya and HMR and whoever. I fired up the old still last week, somebody with a bar/resturant asked me to produce a few jugs for New Years. Since Christmas afternoon we've been doing homemade eggnog with it, great stuff. Well this AM when asked how he'd like his eggs; scrambled, fried or poached Tonto replied "nogged" so for breakfest we started with eggnog.

BTW for the last few days we've been snowmobiling....you can't do that in HI!:D

OM:thumbsup:

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Well, not in Honolulu, or my yard.
But, Haul it up to 13,000 feet this week and you can snowmobile yer ass off, with a great view too.:cool:
Trouble is, when ya coast downhill you run out of snow right away.
So, mo' betta bring your "Jaggedlavarock-mobile" as well.;)

Good story!
Funny you should mention.

Buddy of mine distilled a pallet of cheap wine and gave me a half-gallon jug of "wine 'shine" to make tinctures with.
I owe him a tincture.
And our Christmas libation was home-brewed Christmas-berry mead with Pomegranate extract flavoring.
Alcohol content exceeds 20%
Tastes much mo' betta dan it sounds.

Cheers!
Weeze

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The old fashioned way has not failed me, and when I want a surefire method of having female seeds....I make them.;)
OM

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Share the wealth! lmao ... I hear you OM, if you make them yourself you know where they came from. Takes all the guess work out of it. :jointsmile:

crushed in a car wreck , can barely walk, cold ,wet and muddy outside.all my children here ,wife waiting on me hand and foot,out of state friend brings 90 clones of 15 verities from 900 miles away and pots them for me[wife neglected garden].local pal brings a QP of what he call hariawana[sp?] to take the place of doc prescribed opiates ......life is good ,HAPPY HOLIDAYS TO ALL !!!!

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And our Christmas libation was home-brewed Christmas-berry mead with Pomegranate extract flavoring.
Alcohol content exceeds 20%
Tastes much mo' betta dan it sounds.

Cheers!
Weeze

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long tradition of home brewing here ,but that sounds alot taster than the persimmon wine i have yet to pop the cork on .

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crushed in a car wreck , can barely walk, cold ,wet and muddy outside.all my children here ,wife waiting on me hand and foot,out of state friend brings 90 clones of 15 verities from 900 miles away and pots them for me[wife neglected garden].local pal brings a QP of what he call hariawana[sp?] to take the place of doc prescribed opiates ......life is good ,HAPPY HOLIDAYS TO ALL !!!!

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7th o m g I am so sorry to hear of your wreck! The fact that your wife and family are there with you speaks volumes ... and the fact that your better half brought with her a wealth of good tidings for the holiday season is so amazing!

As for the hariawana I've never heard of this strain. Maybe you'll enlighten us in a future post of all its pluses and minues?

The very best to you and yours in your time of healing. :) I will be watcing to keep in touch with your progress from your wreck. (force yourself to walk no matter how much it hurts if your therapist tells you to! Deal?)

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Horse, WW had referred to his early sexing of seeds in post #20 in this thread."I will also add before I do this, that I now am starting to look at the seed itself before planting. I look for a perfect circle at the end that was at the stalk. So far, every perfect circle seed I have planted in the last year has been a female."

So far his early sexing id of early growth plants has been right on the money. There are still a few weeks left in my experiment to be sure his techinique is on the money with my gals although, from my personal experience, I am predicting that WW is on the right path to early id'ing of plants. If this if proven to be fact I will have a lot less termoil waiting to see if my plants are going to yield me something special or going to be a genetic experiment for a later date.

Needless to say, I am hoping that this "new" techinque is something we can all call upon in the future ... is anybody as excited as I am or am I just freaking :stoned: out of my mind?!?

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I'm waiting to hear it too. I've check out some of my seeds, and I do have variation and it will help with trying to get a male occasionally to entertain one of the ladies!!! :lol5:

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I'm waiting to hear it too. I've check out some of my seeds, and I do have variation and it will help with trying to get a male occasionally to entertain one of the ladies!!! :lol5:

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haha, I hear you so loud and clear, G! I guess most growers only care about the yield (kill those males!) versus the possibilities those male genetics can bring to the party down the line... botany is awesome but I'm a nerd in that way even with my dancy tangerines! :cool: (a little history lesson for those whom don't want one in the first place: This variety of tangerine originated in 1867 from a seed of a Moragne tangerine in the groves of Colonel F. L. Dancy.)

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7th o m g I am so sorry to hear of your wreck! The fact that your wife and family are there with you speaks volumes ... and the fact that your better half brought with her a wealth of good tidings for the holiday season is so amazing!

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Love is awesome....lets all of us try to give more than we receive.

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As for the hariawana I've never heard of this strain. Maybe you'll enlighten us in a future post of all its pluses and minues?

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i spelled it wrong..Harijuana...the ABSOLUTE BEST pain medicine i have ever smoked :thumbsup: 2 hits every 2 hours instead of 10mg of percocet every 4 hours...no more narcotics for me:stoned: the grower says its a very low yielding plant but i'm getting some clones anyway :)

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The very best to you and yours in your time of healing. :) I will be watcing to keep in touch with your progress from your wreck. (force yourself to walk no matter how much it hurts if your therapist tells you to! Deal?)

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DEAL...i'v got 3 months to get in good enough shape to help the wife with her flower beds and veggie garden or she'll kick my ass.The very best to you and yours also....Merry New Year !!!!:hippy:

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DEAL...i'v got 3 months to get in good enough shape to help the wife with her flower beds and veggie garden or she'll kick my ass.The very best to you and yours also....Merry New Year !!!!:hippy:

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LMAO! Tell your better half there will be no ass kicking :asskick: until you ass is healed enough for the kicking! :D

Thanks so much for the well wishes and I am so glad to hear you have nixed the narcs and have adopted the bud for a great replacement! :thumbsup: