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prop 19, 5x5 not enough room
prop 19.If prop 19 is passed does it afect medical users.As it stads now ab420 provudes alot of protection for us. will we loose what we've gained in the last few years. I would like everybody to be able too use it. but I run a collective,and 5x5 is not going to do it for me
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prop 19, 5x5 not enough room
Thats Very Debatable, I own a small Buisness as well supplying Medical patients and Dispenseries like you. with Quality, and no a 5X5 isn't going to cut it for me either. The "Yes" on 19 guys say it doesnt impede on Medical laws, but When I read it, it pretty much nullifies all our current laws.
One Love...
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prop 19, 5x5 not enough room
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Originally Posted by ZeroWingX
Thats Very Debatable, I own a small Buisness as well supplying Medical patients and Dispenseries like you. with Quality, and no a 5X5 isn't going to cut it for me either. The "Yes" on 19 guys say it doesnt impede on Medical laws, but When I read it, it pretty much nullifies all our current laws.
One Love...
:rastasmoke:
i believe they mean 5x5 grow area for a single persons home.I mean you can't have a huge harvest at your house there needs to be a limit .Thats 25 plants
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prop 19, 5x5 not enough room
Five by five.... thats like room for one plant. Methinks 19 is going to bite you in the butt.
I can see it now. The masses of subdivisions each with a small plot in the backyard barbwired to keep the thieves away from your plant.
Good Luck with that.
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prop 19, 5x5 not enough room
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Originally Posted by mikeyman
i believe they mean 5x5 grow area for a single persons home.I mean you can't have a huge harvest at your house there needs to be a limit .Thats 25 plants
U can fit 25 plants in a 5X5? really? full sized female budding plants? wow lemme know how you do that... I totaly wanna copy that tactic :D
Its unsure whether or not that 5X5 applies to Medical growers and how tax is going to play in because as of now we are ALL non prof's...
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prop 19, 5x5 not enough room
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Originally Posted by ghoti48
prop 19.If prop 19 is passed does it afect medical users.As it stads now ab420 provudes alot of protection for us. will we loose what we've gained in the last few years. I would like everybody to be able too use it. but I run a collective,and 5x5 is not going to do it for me
You either can't read or are intentionally obtuse.
I'm doing my best not to name call folks who are misrepresenting what 19 does.
Being as obtuse as you are I also have no faith your ability to anything correctly so I doubt you run anything but your mouth. If you'd ask you're lawyer he can explain it for you businessman. Same goes for that Zero person, lame.
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prop 19, 5x5 not enough room
read the facts...
Prop 19 does NOT impact current prop 215 patients in my county we still get 100 ft^2 or 30 plants.
California Proposition 19 (2010) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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prop 19, 5x5 not enough room
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Originally Posted by ZeroWingX
U can fit 25 plants in a 5X5? really? full sized female budding plants? wow lemme know how you do that... I totaly wanna copy that tactic :D
Its unsure whether or not that 5X5 applies to Medical growers and how tax is going to play in because as of now we are ALL non prof's...
who said it has to be a 5x5 all next to eachother.You could have a square foot here and there in 25 spots.It doesn't say 5x5 it says 25 sq. ft.
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prop 19, 5x5 not enough room
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Originally Posted by mikeyman
who said it has to be a 5x5 all next to eachother.You could have a square foot here and there in 25 spots.It doesn't say 5x5 it says 25 sq. ft.
true. I bet you could come up with some sort of method for growing one plant in a 1 x 1 area, using ties and scrogs, etc. then you could have 25 plants. But, the reality is who's gonna know if your legal 25 sf garden is really 50 or 100 sf? :rastasmoke: its not like they will have herb garden inspectors with tape measures coming to everyone's house or anything. :jointsmile:
25sf of free legal growing space is literally infinately better that what Californians have now which is 0 sf.
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prop 19, 5x5 not enough room
^ if you think about it plants are round not square so a 1 sf circle would actually be much larger than 1 foot wide. it would be 1 x pi or something. :stoned: the space in between the plants does not count against your 25sf. so ... with a little creativity and simple geometry, one can come up with lots of ways to use up 25 sf. it might be kinda fun to see some of the way people do if this passes. :rasta:
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prop 19, 5x5 not enough room
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Originally Posted by mikeyman
who said it has to be a 5x5 all next to eachother.You could have a square foot here and there in 25 spots.It doesn't say 5x5 it says 25 sq. ft.
It states 5X5 PER PROPERTY so....
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prop 19, 5x5 not enough room
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Originally Posted by boaz
true. I bet you could come up with some sort of method for growing one plant in a 1 x 1 area, using ties and scrogs, etc. then you could have 25 plants. But, the reality is who's gonna know if your legal 25 sf garden is really 50 or 100 sf? :rastasmoke: its not like they will have herb garden inspectors with tape measures coming to everyone's house or anything. :jointsmile:
25sf of free legal growing space is literally infinately better that what Californians have now which is 0 sf.
Thats only true for Californians who don't have scripts. I'm sorry but its not my problem that they don't They can go get one just as easily as I did.
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prop 19, 5x5 not enough room
herb garden inspectors ?????theres a job for me:D
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prop 19, 5x5 not enough room
25 sq ft is the same as 5ft x 5ft
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prop 19, 5x5 not enough room
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Originally Posted by mikeyman
i believe they mean 5x5 grow area for a single persons home.I mean you can't have a huge harvest at your house there needs to be a limit .Thats 25 plants
they mean a 5x5 per household or per parcel of land....what if you have 4-5 people living there that want to grow.... all must share that 5x5 spot...
If you live on a 5 acre parcel with 50 people who wanted to grow....all 50 growers must share 1 - 5x5 spot
25 plants in a 5x5 no way bro.....i will be lucky to get 2 plants in a 5x5...some people will be lucky to get 1 plant in that size of a area:hippy:
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prop 19, 5x5 not enough room
"...Cultivate, on private property by the owner, lawful occupant, or other lawful resident or guest of the private property owner or lawful occupant, cannabis plants for personal consumption only, in an area of not more than twenty-five square feet per private residence or, in the absence of any residence, the parcel."
That's all Prop 19 says about it!
My read: Each resident (or guest!) may have a maximum of 25 sq ft at each location.
That's pretty wide open.
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prop 19, 5x5 not enough room
Cities can change that, too. You could bug your council to increase the area, or change the rule to "per person."
I'd like to see larger areas for people who want to grow outdoors. Not everybody wants all the expense of an indoor setup and 1000w grow lights.
The rule is 25 square feet. Not cubic feet. Height doesn't figure in.
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prop 19, 5x5 not enough room
mikeyman....re: the herb inspector job....I know you were kidding but did you see where California is trying to unionize marijuana workers? So funny, all the way from cultivator to trimmer, to herb tender like in a dispensary...folks supposedly can earn upwards of 25 bucks an hour. Of course the "union" is being touted by something called Amsterdam college here in L.A. and 3 more in San Fran that teach you how to do all those things. I find it ridiculous.
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prop 19, 5x5 not enough room
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Originally Posted by anotherjeff
"...Cultivate, on private property by the owner, lawful occupant, or other lawful resident or guest of the private property owner or lawful occupant, cannabis plants for personal consumption only, in an area of not more than twenty-five square feet per private residence or, in the absence of any residence, the parcel."
That's all Prop 19 says about it!
My read: Each resident (or guest!) may have a maximum of 25 sq ft at each location.
That's pretty wide open.
Your reading that wrong bro:D
"not more than twenty-five square feet per private residence or, in the absence of any residence, the parcel."...thats per household or land parcel
Cultivate, on private property by the owner, lawful occupant, or other lawful resident or guest of the private property owner or lawful occupant.....that is the owner or renter or a guest a area no bigger than 25 sq ft
...not every person at the home gets a 25 sq ft....the home or parcel itself is allowed 25 sq ft just as long as the owner says its ok....if a owner states in a lease agrement no growing and you do... that can be cause for eviction even though the law allows for grows
Using your way of thinking.... 4 people in the same house could combine the 5x5 into a 20x20....:D
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prop 19, 5x5 not enough room
its plenty of room for a personal grow,but oh wait all the no voters are money growers..
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prop 19, 5x5 not enough room
As mentioned before in other threads, 19 does nothing to medical patients, growers and co-ops. They are not confined to 25 sq. feet, and the courts have already ruled that medical growers are basically not limited as to how much they can grow for medical users.
FAQs & Facts | yeson19.com
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prop 19, 5x5 not enough room
Thank you, WillyNilly. That makes sense since the two issues are covered under different sections of the code.
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prop 19, 5x5 not enough room
^ exactly. I'm not buying the arguement that Prop 19 will have any effects on med users.
currently, unless you have documented medical paperwork that can stand up in court, you are allowed to grow 0 plants in a 0 sf garden (or 0 x 0 ft.).
If you have more than one person living at that residence (lets say ohhh, 15) then you can 15 x 0 sf of legal garden space. :rastasmoke:
Vote Yes on 19 and end all that.
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prop 19, 5x5 not enough room
there should be 2 levels of legal spaceage or amounts ...one for the everyday weed smoker and one for the medical patients....
why should a medical patient.... that already has the right to grow without a space limitation.... be limited in space.... due to non medical new laws
Medical marijuana patients should have different laws that cater to medical patients directly....This is the issue that is at hand
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prop 19, 5x5 not enough room
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Originally Posted by VapedG13
Medical marijuana patients should have different laws that cater to medical patients directly....
They do. I've read your passionate arguments against Prop 19 in this and other threads and remain unconvinced by them because the codes that protect medical marijuana users are not overturned by Prop 19. IANAL, but it appears to me that Prop 19 creates a separate class of marijuana users with their own rights and restrictions, and does not materially impact mmj users.
Not only do the existing mmj laws remain on the books, but they are buttressed by a solid body of case law up to and including the California Supreme Court.
Prop 19 is not perfect, but I just absentee-voted YES for it anyway. :)
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prop 19, 5x5 not enough room
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Originally Posted by anotherjeff
"...Cultivate, on private property by the owner, lawful occupant, or other lawful resident or guest of the private property owner or lawful occupant, cannabis plants for personal consumption only, in an area of not more than twenty-five square feet per private residence or, in the absence of any residence, the parcel."
That's all Prop 19 says about it!
My read: Each resident (or guest!) may have a maximum of 25 sq ft at each location.
No Jeff. Your interpretation is incorrect. Read it again.
It says "not more than twenty-five square feet per ... residence or .. the parcel". It can ONLY be cultivated by the "owner or lawful occupant .. resident or guest".
So, yes, if you have 40 acres and a half dozen wives and lovers living on the land - there can only exist a 25 sq ft plot.
I rececently went to a round table discussion with our local police chief, who is, BTW, a very enlightened man. He actually cooperates with local growers and distributors to help us comply with the law. He does not like the law, and says it is a bad law. It does not clarify or make our lives easier - it clouds and confuses and will spend years in court getting massaged into something useful and meaningful.
We are poking the Big Bear in the eye. Right now the Feds are leaving us alone for less than 100 plants. How will you like it if that changes? It can, you know. All it takes is the current White House resident to change his mind - or a new president to change the policy. The first thing that will happen is the Feds will sue California (just like they are doing to Arizona for trying to protect their citizens against illegal immigrants). In the meantime there will be arrests and defendants will spend lots of money defending themselves. Our Chief is hip to the intent of the law - but does not like it as written.
Do you really think, for example, that the Feds are going to let Oakland grow acres of indoor? Not a chance. They will bust that gig WIDE open - and it will attract a LOT of heat on us too.
The Medical Law is not changed by 19 - learn it, comply with it and everyone will be happy. Be flexible: watch the laws and the fist fight developing between the Feds and the States - and mind that you don't get caught in the middle of it unless you have hundreds of thousands in your "Legal Defense" fund.
Happy, happy, happy.
Now, back to trimming. Damn, I hate trim season.