My plants are too close

Hello. I'm new to both this forum as well as to growing. This is my first attempt att growing cannabis. I wasn't sure about how I should do to germinate the seeds, and thought I had failed with most of them, but I planted them anyway. At the moment, three of them have grown about an inch over the soil, and it seems like there are a few more that will come up during the next 24 hours. Two of them are very close, about two inches apart, which I think is bad:
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These two plants weren't visible at all 24 hours ago. I took this photo only 20 minutes ago. I think I could move one of them into another pot at this moment. But I want to make sure their roots haven't become entangled in each other already. Am I right in that assumption?

I have a 150W HPS lamp, which I haven't started using yet. I just sprinkle the plants with water from time to time right now. There are some other plants which are starting to grow up above the soil, and I expect them to reach the same stage next day. I suppose I should wait until they develop leafs before I turn on the lamp. Am I right about this? Right now, I can see they are starting to get leaves in close ups:
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For me, it looks like the leaves are still inside the seed shells.

One plant per pot is the limit. The plants will compete for the nutrients, and all of them will suffer. Later on in life they'll need more elbow room anyway.

Prepare seperate cups or pots with soil and use a fork to carefully 'dig under' the roots of one plant at a time, and transplant into it's own cup.
Make sure to go easy on the roots, and that the soil is fairly moist.

Thanks for the advice! I have moved the plant to another pot which had failed to develop any plants. I have two other pots that developed single plants, so now I have for pots with one plant in each. The plant I moved, is actually the first to develop real leafs. The other plants still has to get rid of the seed shells. But I think it's only a question of time. I was a bit worried about the plant I moved, so I'm pleasantly surprised. :) Now I have turned on the hps lamp and an industrial quality fan to suck out air from the growing tent. I have a humidifier in one of the intake vents, so it wont be to dry. And I still sprinkle the plants at several times a day.

How big are the pots they are in now? Just curious why you're providing the additional humidity and spraying. If the soil is drying-out too quickly, I'd water a tad more often and cut-back on the humidity and sprinkling. (unless the ambient (local) humidity is under 20% to 30% or so) It's usually unnecessary unless your HPS is too close for the youngsters and can cause a mold issue if overdone. Make the roots do their job. :thumbsup:

11 L/3 gallons.

I provided the extra humidity because i found that the humidity were about 30-40%. I think i can stop using the humidifier by now, because the plants seems to grow well now. All of them have four large leaves, and some very small leaves now.

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Originally Posted by ookami

Hello. I'm new to both this forum as well as to growing. This is my first attempt att growing cannabis. I wasn't sure about how I should do to germinate the seeds, and thought I had failed with most of them, but I planted them anyway. At the moment, three of them have grown about an inch over the soil, and it seems like there are a few more that will come up during the next 24 hours. Two of them are very close, about two inches apart, which I think is bad:
http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/4397/tooclose.jpg
These two plants weren't visible at all 24 hours ago. I took this photo only 20 minutes ago. I think I could move one of them into another pot at this moment. But I want to make sure their roots haven't become entangled in each other already. Am I right in that assumption?

I have a 150W HPS lamp, which I haven't started using yet. I just sprinkle the plants with water from time to time right now. There are some other plants which are starting to grow up above the soil, and I expect them to reach the same stage next day. I suppose I should wait until they develop leafs before I turn on the lamp. Am I right about this? Right now, I can see they are starting to get leaves in close ups:
http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/3409/closeup1p.jpg
http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/6176/closeup2z.jpg
For me, it looks like the leaves are still inside the seed shells.

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welcome to the world of growing. i am new to the site also but i am not new to growing. what i recommend that you do is get your self a few more pot/solo cups and fill them with dirt and the use a table spoon as a shovel and remove those gerninated seeds to other pot/cups and grow them up big and strong. place a few rocks/stones/hydroton on the bottom of the cups and them put a few holes in the bottoms of the cups to allow for great drainage. when they get bigger you can transplant them in to bigger pots and flower them to be good for your havest

Well, I don't have the room for anymore pots in my groving space. I have already throwed away the extra plants. I guess I have to see it as learning moneys (a swedish expression for the cost of beginner errors in case you don't know what I mean). Anyway, the four plants that I do have, are steadily growing.

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This photo is taken on saturday October 16. The other plants have developed equally.

I think I could continue to post the progress of the plants.

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This is the plant I have posted images of before. This is actually the most developed plant. The others are behind. This is not what I expected, since this plant is the one I replanted in an other pot.

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This is all plants. One is hidden behind the largest plant. The hidden one seems smaller than it is. I discovered that the fabric I use to water the plant, didn't reach the water reservoir below the pots. I adjusted it by pulling down the fabric. It turned out that the plants roots had grown attached to the fabric, so the plant it self where pulled down into the soil by an inch or so.

Today I changed to a flowering cycle. I have read at the seed bank where I bought my white widow seeds, that it should be OK to start flowering after about two weeks of groving, and I think I have waited longer than that. That depends on how you count. I'm not sure if the first week counts, when the plants hardly hadn't got any leaves. But it is at least two weeks of vegetative growth now.

Tomorrow I will travel away for a week. I'm worried about how the plants will grow, but I think it will be OK. I have set up an automatic watering system. That's what the fabric into the water reservoir is about. The reservoir is supplied with water from a large bucket outside the tent. I have tested it during the vegetative period, and it seems to work fine. Today I added nutrients for flowering (HESI Bloom-Complex NPK-fertilizer). I have added less than the recommendation, because I'm afraid of overnutrition, which I understand is a bad thing. I figure that if it turns out the plants needs more, I can always add more later. I added the nutrient to the bucket outside the tent, because I figure it is good if the nutrient reach the plants succesively instead of immediately. HESI recommends 50 ml/10 litres. I added 50 ml to the outside bucket which I think I have filled with more than 20 litres judging from the weight of the bucket. There is still room for more water. I guess the bucket could hold about 40-50 litres. I don't know if there is a danger of the nutrient sedimenting in the supplying tube from the bucket into the reservoir below the pots, and therefore stopping the water flow. I guess it will work.

I can actually feel a small odour which resembles a little bit of cannabis now. I now this odour should appear during the flowering stage. It is very small, and then I close the tent, I can't feel it. The outgoing air runs through a carbon filter. To give a clue to about how strong the odour is, I have previously ordered mail order cannabis in vacuum sealed packages from Canada. When I have opened the packages, the mail order cannabis has had a much stronger odour. I guess the plants will have much more odour within a few weeks, but now it is probably only the first signs of a flowering stage. If I'm correct, that means that the flowering may have started already when I used the vegetative cycle. I can also see small outgrowths on the plants which I think could be the beginning of the first buds.

I'm back, and the plants have grown without any problem.

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Now they are getting too close to the hps lamp, which I have raised about as high as I can:

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I have installed a plastic net in order to try some kind of scrog. Maybe it is a little bit to late to start thinking about scrog this far into the flowering stage. But there isn't much more space for the plants to grow in now.

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It looks like the flowering process is continuing as it should as far as I can see.

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This leaf is close to the pot. There are a few more leaves down there that look like this. Most other leaves looks fine. I have given the plants nutrients at a much lower level than the recommendation on the nutrient bottle. Since the plants grow steadily and fast, I don't see any reason to increase the nutrients. But maybe I should consider lowering the nutrient level, or maybe simply stop giving the plant nutrients?

I have cracked over the top of flowering plants...they don't like it..but, it didn't hurt anything.

in fact, it only made them, off balance

A few branches are cracked, but they seems to do fine. The growth rate have slowed down, but the plants are thirsty. Since I have an automatic watering system with a large reservoir, it doesn't bother me much. I just have to check the water level every couple of days, and fill it up if it becomes too low.

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This is one of the flowers. I made an enlargement of the picture, which I shoot today. It seems like there are crystals on the leaves. These crystals are too small to be seen by the eye. But it isn't even a month of flowering this far, so I hope I will se much more within a few weeks.

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Originally Posted by Dutch Pimp

I have cracked over the top of flowering plants...they don't like it..but, it didn't hurt anything.

in fact, it only made them, off balance

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Pimp,

What height were these plants when you went to 12/12?:thumbsup::pimp:

With all things said in this post one thing I missed.. Room temps. have alot to do with trichome production. Room temps. at a constant 68-72 will produce better bud or higher trichome gland count,than a room at above 75 slows growth. Proper ventilation is key! It's fine if humidity is all over the place.. Just never needs to stay high like 90% or more. Rain causes humidity. Dry air=lower humidity. Learned all that by Keepin' it Simple!

The temperature is around 80°F when the light is switched on. But I suspect the thermometer doesn't give me an accurate reading. I avoid having it exposed to the hps light by placing it high up in the tent, but then hot air will rise to the temperature. I have just now reseted the thermometer, so I can check the low temperature during the dark period.

The humidity is at 32%rh. I believe that should be OK during flowering.

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Originally Posted by GaGrown

Pimp,

What height were these plants when you went to 12/12?:thumbsup::pimp:

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The usual 30 days of vegging. 3 weeks in 16oz cups, one week in 2 gallon pots...about 12-15 inches tall....switch to 12/12.

Sometimes, I transplant again, to 4 gallon pots, and wait another week...sometimes, I stay with 2 gallon pots, if I'm in a hurry.

High...Ga...:abduct:

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Originally Posted by ookami

I have just now reseted the thermometer, so I can check the low temperature during the dark period.

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And now I have had a dark period since reseting. 68°F when it is as coldest. That's the room temperature I have. The humidity varies between 25-35%rh.

When it comes to ventilation, my fan moves 160m3/h according to the spec. If I convert that into imperial units, I get 5650 cubic feet per hour. Could that be a reasonable figure? I think I have mostly seen lower figures here on this forum. Anyway, it sucks sufficient air to make the tent walls bulge inward, which I consider a good thing. Then all outgoing air will pass the carbon filter. It seems to work. The only times I can feel the cannabis odour outside the tent, is when I have been handling the plants.