100% Confused right now

Ok so got the email from swop last nite and then again today apologizing for the typo. Cool i didnt even notice it to begin with. Then i get an email from new mexican with the exact same thing word for word with the exception of the signature. I know i dont follow the stuff a whole lot but isnt SWOP and New Mexican two separate people and if so why do they have the same email?

I would say there is a monopoly right now of producers, thats why 9 of 11 producers are in the guild.I have noticed several of the producers are on other producers boards, i believe this to be a monopoly, I think thats why the DOH has changed the regulations so BOD can only serve on 2 companies, or something to that effect.
thats just my guess though.

Although I may very well be wrong about the monopoly, maybe the guild has the patients best interest in mind, although Looking at the inflated Blackmarket prices all these non-profit dispensaries are charging disable people, I really doubt it.
I mean fair market value is based of a inflated black market price.

If you guys made corn illegal tomorrow the prices in a couple months corn would be a 1,000.oo a pound, to consider that black market figure a fair market value is NUTS.

It doesnt cost 4,000.00-5,000.00 to grow a lb of cannabis indoors.
The Producers need to become more efficent, and then pass the savings on to the customers!
..:rastasmoke:

GOOD POINTS Deming

Damn you hit the nail on the head Blackhash.:thumbsup:

My Dad used to say that the best thing you could do with your money was to keep it in your pocket. Bypassing the producers ( who are mostly well meaning but hopelessly overwhelmed) and growing your own medicine serves several purposes.
It is substantially less expensive (in the short and long run). The quality of product is usually as good as the approved producers and quite often better.

There are many patients (a majority) who's dream of growing their own is a hopeless dream because of poor health, situations where growing is impossible, or extreme poverty. Of the 1000+ who have their personal production permits, I would be suprised if a very high percentage were actively producing their own meds.
If you have the ability to grow your own, and don't, If you buy more than you truly need, your'e contributing to the shortages which are so disasterous to those that need the medicine the most.
Keep your money in your pocket, and let those with no other recourse go to the head of the line. You'll feel better. They'll feel better. And perhaps we can positively affect the outcome of the shortages we're experiencing...BB

I know many of the people and Producers in the Producers Guild.
My feeling from speaking to them is they absolutely put this organization together for the benefit of the patients.
The 11 producers and whomever comes next don't feel they are in competition with each other. After all, they can only grow 95 plants at one time and get X amount of yield from them. As we have seen from the past, they sell out immediately all they can grow because of the current ratio of patients to Producers.
Imagine if they can coordinate their grow cycles and harvests so there will always be medicine available to patients within 24 hours of ordering. Instead of having to wait a few weeks or a few months.
My feeling is the Guild will be a positive thing for us all.
Lets give these passionate pioneers a chance.

I would say very ill patients(cancer, aids,) are the ones most likely unable to grow their own, due to health problems, and most likely poverty due to medical costs from their health problems.

How in the world are terminally ill patients to afford the average 370.00$ on ounce price tag. Almost 6,000.00$ a pound.

As blackhash and myself can attest to it doesnt cost anywhere near what the producers are charging to produce cannabis. Close to 6,000.00$ A pound.

I wonder what kind of salaries these Board of Director members are receiving?

I am not saying the producers should work for free,they should receive a reasonable compensation, but 6,000.00 a pound, they are just bending the sick patients of New Mexico over a table.

I think the DOH should regulate what board members are allowed to take home for compensation.

I would also have to disagree most of these non profits are well meaning, if they were, they wouldn't be charging these BLACK MARKET INFLATED PRICES!
Period!
The dispensaries may tell people they have gotten into this to "help" people, but I don't think selling somebody who is desperately ill medicine for close to 400.oo an ounce when it only costs around 30.oo$ to produce that same ounce.
Thats helping people?

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Originally Posted by blackhash

I just heard about this group the other day. This is NOT good for the patients.

Sorry to say, folks, but "cheap" meds just aren't coming via this model. These folks are basing their BUSINESS MODELS on $400 an ounce and once they get a taste of that type of cash they won't be lowering those prices.

Here in CO there is more pot available for sale than I've >>ever<< seen in my life, yet the only place the prices have FALLEN is in the wholesale pricing arena.

On a retail level the dispensaries are priced at the same prices they were when they sprung up like flies on s___ last Summer, even though the behind the scenes prices have fallen well over $1200 per pound. The dispensary game here is signing up as many new folks as they can - qualified or not...to be able to grab their card and grow with it and sell them high-priced meds all day long.

such is why we must get folks GROWING. If you rely on this producer model i'm gonna have to send you some VASELINE cus...um...well... do i have to SPELL IT OUT???

blackhash

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Im glad someone gets it.

I'm currently serving on two boards. I don't know how other producers compensate their board members, but neither of the ones I serve have any structure set up to pay board members. Besides basic expenses and the ability to sample the product, I can't see why paying a board member would be necessary....BB

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Originally Posted by DemingNonProfit

I would say very ill patients(cancer, aids,) are the ones most likely unable to grow their own, due to health problems, and most likely poverty due to medical costs from their health problems.

How in the world are terminally ill patients to afford the average 370.00$ on ounce price tag. Almost 6,000.00$ a pound.

As blackhash and myself can attest to it doesnt cost anywhere near what the producers are charging to produce cannabis. Close to 6,000.00$ A pound.

I wonder what kind of salaries these Board of Director members are receiving?

I am not saying the producers should work for free,they should receive a reasonable compensation, but 6,000.00 a pound, they are just bending the sick patients of New Mexico over a table.

I think the DOH should regulate what board members are allowed to take home for compensation.

I would also have to disagree most of these non profits are well meaning, if they were, they wouldn't be charging these BLACK MARKET INFLATED PRICES!
Period!
The dispensaries may tell people they have gotten into this to "help" people, but I don't think selling somebody who is desperately ill medicine for close to 400.oo an ounce when it only costs around 30.oo$ to produce that same ounce.
Thats helping people?

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My understanding of the situation is that the DOH makes the Producers charge a minimum price so that it will not be FAR lower than street prices because they are worried about patients reselling meds at a profit.

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Originally Posted by BosqueBoy

I'm currently serving on two boards. I don't know how other producers compensate their board members, but neither of the ones I serve have any structure set up to pay board members. Besides basic expenses and the ability to sample the product, I can't see why paying a board member would be necessary....BB

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The law of supply and demand is the reason to pay board members......patients are in short supply,driving up demand,therefore it follows that the patients should be catered to(pay,free meds,product tester, etc.).It would be different if there were a lot of patients.Please don't sell yourself short......

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Originally Posted by BosqueBoy

I'm currently serving on two boards. I don't know how other producers compensate their board members, but neither of the ones I serve have any structure set up to pay board members. Besides basic expenses and the ability to sample the product, I can't see why paying a board member would be necessary....BB

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From my first impression I really don't think you understand how the board of directors works, have you actually read the bylaws and articles of incorporations of the companies you are working with?
I could bet you almost anything you are simply on the advisory board.
Being an "advisory board" member, you have no vote or any real say on anything of importance, thats why its called being on the "advisory board".

And that is why they don't pay you, but I promise you the "executive board" is getting paid.

:rastasmoke:

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Originally Posted by coolslayer

My understanding of the situation is that the DOH makes the Producers charge a minimum price so that it will not be FAR lower than street prices because they are worried about patients reselling meds at a profit.

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Do you have any proof of this?! Sounds like something the producers would tell the patients as to why they have to charge so much..:jointsmile:

I have heard hearsay about them wanting to keep the prices high, but have no proof, for all I know thats something the "guild" is telling folks, although since the DOH is going to start collecting 7% of gross sales, I can see why they want to keep the price, high.

Does anyone in this damn program actually care about the patients?

I am on the executive board. Why should I be paid (outside basic expenses) for serving in a capacity that I consider my public duty. Every dollar they would give me is a dollar taken away from someone who needs it more. I'm sorry. I don't believe being a board member should be a money making venture...BB

so bosque, since it costs under 30.00$ to produce an ounce, and if the company is only reimbursing board members on their expenses. Where is all the money going? why are the prices still so damn high?
Since you on are the "executive board" of directors, would you care to share?

And have you read the bylaws and articles of incorporation for both companies?

I have grown 8 years, I can easily grow a pound of dried cannabis after expenses(electricity,nutrients,etc..) for less than 300.00 a pound, Guaranteed
and the companies are charging close to 6,000.00 a pound.
Again I say, where is all the money going??

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Originally Posted by BosqueBoy

I am on the executive board. Why should I be paid (outside basic expenses) for serving in a capacity that I consider my public duty. Every dollar they would give me is a dollar taken away from someone who needs it more. I'm sorry. I don't believe being a board member should be a money making venture...BB

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So you think that the Producers should make all the money and no patients should? I thought this program was about the patients' needs,not the Producer's needs.

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Originally Posted by DemingNonProfit

:rastasmoke:

Do you have any proof of this?! Sounds like something the producers would tell the patients as to why they have to charge so much..:jointsmile:

I have heard hearsay about them wanting to keep the prices high, but have no proof, for all I know thats something the "guild" is telling folks, although since the DOH is going to start collecting 7% of gross sales, I can see why they want to keep the price, high.

Does anyone in this damn program actually care about the patients?

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I have no proof of it,but Vigil has insinuated it in several news articles.......

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Originally Posted by DemingNonProfit

so bosque, since it costs under 30.00$ to produce an ounce, and if the company is only reimbursing board members on their expenses. Where is all the money going? why are the prices still so damn high?
Since you on are the "executive board" of directors, would you care to share?

And have you read the bylaws and articles of incorporation for both companies?

I have grown 8 years, I can easily grow a pound of dried cannabis after expenses(electricity,nutrients,etc..) for less than 300.00 a pound, Guaranteed
and the companies are charging close to 6,000.00 a pound.
Again I say, where is all the money going??

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I would like those answers also,but I'm not gonna hold my breath and wait......

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I would like those answers also,but I'm not gonna hold my breath and wait......

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I agree cool.

you guys should read this article.

The Problem With Nonprofits - US News and World Report

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Originally Posted by DemingNonProfit

so bosque, since it costs under 30.00$ to produce an ounce, and if the company is only reimbursing board members on their expenses. Where is all the money going? why are the prices still so damn high?
Since you on are the "executive board" of directors, would you care to share?

And have you read the bylaws and articles of incorporation for both companies?

I have grown 8 years, I can easily grow a pound of dried cannabis after expenses(electricity,nutrients,etc..) for less than 300.00 a pound, Guaranteed
and the companies are charging close to 6,000.00 a pound.
Again I say, where is all the money going??

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Deming, You should work for dateline, sounds like you ask the real hard hitting questions that inquiring minds want to know.:thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by DemingNonProfit

so bosque, since it costs under 30.00$ to produce an ounce, and if the company is only reimbursing board members on their expenses. Where is all the money going? why are the prices still so damn high?
Since you on are the "executive board" of directors, would you care to share?

And have you read the bylaws and articles of incorporation for both companies?

I have grown 8 years, I can easily grow a pound of dried cannabis after expenses(electricity,nutrients,etc..) for less than 300.00 a pound, Guaranteed
and the companies are charging close to 6,000.00 a pound.
Again I say, where is all the money going??

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Dear Deming and Blackhash,
Iâ??m really conflicted about you guys. On one hand you two sound like you would make the ultimate kick ass producer.
A pound for $300!! Oh my god PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE!!!

Why have you guys not applied for your producership?

I would like to be first in line to sign up as a patient and would volunteer to be on your board for free. Hell Iâ??ll even work 10 hours a week volunteering for free, just to help make this happen.

The conflicting part comes in when I read all your posts about how much better you can do and yet YOU DO NOTHING.

Come on guys!
What gives, donâ??t you think you are being (just a bit IMHO) a little selfish?
You can grow $300 a pound of high grade medical cannabis, and you are not growing for us poor folks here?!?!?!?


What do we need to do to make this happen???

I harvest 3-4 ounces of dried plant material off one plant every 3 weeks, in a perpetual harvest, One plant is put in the flowering room, then three weeks later another plant, etc...
So over a 12 week period I have 4 harvests, when you total the 4 harvest I will have between12-16 ounces of dried plant material(which I smoke all of during that time:jointsmile:). I never go over my plant numbers this way, never having more than 4 mature plants in the flower room.

And yes it is costing me less than 300.00$ to produce it.:thumbsup:

At first I thought Deming was under shooting but after doing the numbers for myself his numbers are correct, that is not taking into consideration securtiy, gas expense, etc.that the producers charge, I think the producers should def be able to do it for a 1,000.00$ a pound no problem, so 2.00$-3.00$ grams.

Me personally I just use one 600w HPS and a small seperate veg room with a couple cfl's

.7$ an hour for electricity to run my 600, 12 hours a day in the flower room
so .07x12x84 = 70.56$

.7$ an hour for electricity for the AC which runs 24 hours a day for 84 days. 141.12$

.1$ for my carbon filter/inline fan 24 hours a day, for 63 days, 7.56$

Not much more for the fans and nutrients.

So yeah 300.00$ sounds about right!:thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by PatientNM

Dear Deming and Blackhash,
Iâ??m really conflicted about you guys. On one hand you two sound like you would make the ultimate kick ass producer.
A pound for $300!! Oh my god PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE!!!

Why have you guys not applied for your producership?

I would like to be first in line to sign up as a patient and would volunteer to be on your board for free. Hell Iâ??ll even work 10 hours a week volunteering for free, just to help make this happen.

The conflicting part comes in when I read all your posts about how much better you can do and yet YOU DO NOTHING.

Come on guys!
What gives, donâ??t you think you are being (just a bit IMHO) a little selfish?
You can grow $300 a pound of high grade medical cannabis, and you are not growing for us poor folks here?!?!?!?


What do we need to do to make this happen???

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If you read his posts more carefully,you will see that blackhash doesn't reside in NM.Can't speak on Deming's info.

Does everyone understand how to figure out how much they are spending on electricity, do I need to give a better example?

Not for me,you don't.

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Originally Posted by MimbresValley

I harvest 3-4 ounces of dried plant material off one plant every 3 weeks, in a perpetual harvest, One plant is put in the flowering room, then three weeks later another plant, etc...
So over a 12 week period I have 4 harvests, when you total the 4 harvest I will have between12-16 ounces of dried plant material(which I smoke all of during that time:jointsmile:). I never go over my plant numbers this way, never having more than 4 mature plants in the flower room.

And yes it is costing me less than 300.00$ to produce it.:thumbsup:

At first I thought Deming was under shooting but after doing the numbers for myself his numbers are correct, that is not taking into consideration securtiy, gas expense, etc.that the producers charge, I think the producers should def be able to do it for a 1,000.00$ a pound no problem, so 2.00$-3.00$ grams.

Me personally I just use one 600w HPS and a small seperate veg room with a couple cfl's

.7$ an hour for electricity to run my 600, 12 hours a day in the flower room
so .07x12x84 = 70.56$

.7$ an hour for electricity for the AC which runs 24 hours a day for 84 days. 141.12$

.1$ for my carbon filter/inline fan 24 hours a day, for 84 days, 10.08$

Not much more for the fans and nutrients.

So yeah 300.00$ sounds about right!:thumbsup:

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Edit* Just fixed the carbon filter days*

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Originally Posted by DemingNonProfit

so bosque, since it costs under 30.00$ to produce an ounce, and if the company is only reimbursing board members on their expenses. Where is all the money going? why are the prices still so damn high?
Since you on are the "executive board" of directors, would you care to share?

And have you read the bylaws and articles of incorporation for both companies?

I have grown 8 years, I can easily grow a pound of dried cannabis after expenses(electricity,nutrients,etc..) for less than 300.00 a pound, Guaranteed
and the companies are charging close to 6,000.00 a pound.
Again I say, where is all the money going??

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Deming, I keep reading this post and thinking BRAVO! Glad someone is saying what needs to be said!:jointsmile:

Not sure on this but I think deming is trying to get his app. approved. And as far as blackhash you right he is not in N.M. It also takes quite a bit of cash to start a nonprofit.And even if you did have the money it is not easy to start.DOH makes it very hard to get approved by them. Also I think that DOH wants to keep the price high.

I am working on getting the application together, I am working solo at the second and could def use some help, hopefully Deming will consider teaming up with me.:thumbsup:

Good LUCK with your app. I think there are about 80 apps. in at this time

They should have a "grow off" best bud wins, worst buds loses their licenses, someone else gets a shot, lol:thumbsup:

not a bad idea.

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Originally Posted by sunthenovice

I attended and testified at the DOH hearing last week. I understand there will be people who will disagree with my testimony which I am reprinting below. I don't pretend to have all the answers. For those who have a different point of view I'm willing to listen and engage in civil discourse. Ultimately, I believe that if the patients in this program are united, we have the power to influence both the DOH and the licensed providers. If at some point in time that means a boycott of the LNPP's, so be it.


As a patient in the Medical Marijuana Program, I thank you for allowing my voice to be heard. I ask for your patience as my condition is such that I only leave my apartment on rare occasions due to the severe and overwhelming anxiety I experience in public. To speak in a forum such as this pushes me far beyond what I would call a comfortable mental or physical state. I would ask that you excuse me if I stutter, stammer, or am unable to complete my statement.
While I have read the changes proposed by the New Mexico Department of Health regarding the Medical Cannabis Program, I regret that I have not had the opportunity to research the impact of these proposals to where I would feel competent addressing them in a lucid and productive discourse. Fortunately for all involved, there are others present who have studied the proposals at length and will speak more eloquently about these topics than I. This much I will say: What the Department of Health is proposing in giving the Secretary what appears to be all-encompassing determination regarding nearly all aspects of the Medical Cannabis Program is at best shortsighted and at worst, criminal.
So if I have nothing to add to this discussion, you may ask what would compel me to leave the safe environment of my home in Albuquerque to attend this hearing? My response is this: I am here to support the patients in this program of which I am one. I am here to support those patients who due to severe and debilitating conditions are unable to attend in person. I am here to support those patients who canâ??t afford their medication due to the unreasonable costs of the product. While it is easy to point to the New Mexico Department of Health as the villain in the price gouging for legitimate medication, the licensed producers are just as culpable in this charade. I know there are groups who help individuals who canâ??t afford medication and I thank them for that. But we must have significantly lower prices for ALL patients. Instead we have the Department of Health and licensed providers fighting over who is going to get what part of the patients money. As in many cases, non-profit is a misleading term. In addition to addressing the financial and covetous deportment of the DOH at this hearing, we should be debating salary limitations on the providers in order to effectively lower the cost of medication for ALL patients.
I have been in this Program for nearly one year and I canâ??t afford my medication. I am currently on disability from my chosen occupation. I am not receiving nor am I asking for ANY state or federal assistance. Neither the State of New Mexico nor the Federal Government pay one dime of my disability income. If I were to buy Medical Cannabis through the approved dispensaries I would not be able to pay my rent or feed myself. The fact is, one ounce of Medical Marijuana purchased through the approved providerâ??s costs more than one monthâ??s rent for me.
I would like to believe that between the Department of Health and the licensed providers there are some human beings who are involved in this program for altruistic reasons. But I will state unequivocally, that both entities primary interest is to make money off the backs of patients in the program. Anyone who has done research into the growing of marijuana knows that the percentage of profit margin for providers is potentially far beyond what is morally acceptable when it comes to patientâ??s medication. If they say this is untrue then they are either incompetent or liars. But what I find most insulting is that I received no less than two emails from each licensed provider in New Mexico pleading for my attendance at this hearing to support their positions. In other words, you asked me and every patient in the New Mexico program to come and support you while you financially rape me and my brethren.
Let me be clear. I support the patients. I condemn the DOH for the temerity to suggest these new proposals, which to a political layman such as myself, appear to grant total and unfettered control of this program to one person or committee without a modicum of oversight or grounds for appeal. And to the providers, you should be embarrassed to think that as patients we are naïve enough to support your self-serving agenda.
Shame on both of your houses for taking advantage of my brothers and sisters who through no fault of their own canâ??t defend themselves against the machinations of this system.

Thank you

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GREAT POST!!!!!

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Originally Posted by PatientNM

Dear Deming and Blackhash,
Iâ??m really conflicted about you guys. On one hand you two sound like you would make the ultimate kick ass producer.
A pound for $300!! Oh my god PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE!!!

Why have you guys not applied for your producership?

I would like to be first in line to sign up as a patient and would volunteer to be on your board for free. Hell Iâ??ll even work 10 hours a week volunteering for free, just to help make this happen.

The conflicting part comes in when I read all your posts about how much better you can do and yet YOU DO NOTHING.

Come on guys!
What gives, donâ??t you think you are being (just a bit IMHO) a little selfish?
You can grow $300 a pound of high grade medical cannabis, and you are not growing for us poor folks here?!?!?!?


What do we need to do to make this happen???

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WHAT here you are begging volunteering putting down "and you are not growing for us poor folks here?!?!?!?" YET you will not make a stand For something that is trying to do just that for all of US. WHAT GIVES "What do we need to do to make this happen???"[/B][/QUOTE]

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Originally Posted by PatientNM

Dear Deming and Blackhash,
Iâ??m really conflicted about you guys. On one hand you two sound like you would make the ultimate kick ass producer.
A pound for $300!! Oh my god PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE!!!

Why have you guys not applied for your producership?

I would like to be first in line to sign up as a patient and would volunteer to be on your board for free. Hell Iâ??ll even work 10 hours a week volunteering for free, just to help make this happen.

The conflicting part comes in when I read all your posts about how much better you can do and yet YOU DO NOTHING.

Come on guys!
What gives, donâ??t you think you are being (just a bit IMHO) a little selfish?
You can grow $300 a pound of high grade medical cannabis, and you are not growing for us poor folks here?!?!?!?


What do we need to do to make this happen???

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I could do the same and i could give you my reasoning on why i don't produce for us. Its because we (my family) are very low income and becoming a producer means i would need a grow site, water and electric going, lots of lights, lots of equipment, it is a huge first time expense that a lot of people cant afford. Unless you are will to contribute to all necessary equipment then sure ill do it tomorrow. I cant take any loans out, there is no way in hell my family or my husbands family would help, i don't see me winning the lottery anytime soon, and i seriously doubt the state has assistance to help get you started because they are to cheap to make a program to help patients that cant afford their medication. Thats my two cents.

nice rant mama

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Originally Posted by MimbresValley

I harvest 3-4 ounces of dried plant material off one plant every 3 weeks, in a perpetual harvest, One plant is put in the flowering room, then three weeks later another plant, etc...
So over a 12 week period I have 4 harvests, when you total the 4 harvest I will have between12-16 ounces of dried plant material(which I smoke all of during that time:jointsmile:). I never go over my plant numbers this way, never having more than 4 mature plants in the flower room.

And yes it is costing me less than 300.00$ to produce it.:thumbsup:

At first I thought Deming was under shooting but after doing the numbers for myself his numbers are correct, that is not taking into consideration securtiy, gas expense, etc.that the producers charge, I think the producers should def be able to do it for a 1,000.00$ a pound no problem, so 2.00$-3.00$ grams.

Me personally I just use one 600w HPS and a small seperate veg room with a couple cfl's

.7$ an hour for electricity to run my 600, 12 hours a day in the flower room
so .07x12x84 = 70.56$

.7$ an hour for electricity for the AC which runs 24 hours a day for 84 days. 141.12$

.1$ for my carbon filter/inline fan 24 hours a day, for 63 days, 7.56$

Not much more for the fans and nutrients.

So yeah 300.00$ sounds about right!:thumbsup:

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you are very economical/ what about rent? cost of warehouse location?

that is not taking into consideration securtiy, gas expense, etc.that the producers charge, I think the producers should def be able to do it for a 1,000.00$ a pound no problem, so 2.00$-3.00$ grams.