LSD RDWC SCROG GROW

This is my second attempt at growing. The first time things went horribly wrong. (there is a link in my signature if you are interested in learning from my mistakes)
For this go-round I will be running a 5 site Recirculating Deep Water Culture system. In a 3'x3'x7' cabinet, with a 400 watt MH (veg) and a 400 watt HPS (flower). I also purchased some Barneys Farm LSD from the Attitude seed bank. I highly recommend Attitude so far.

Nutrients I will be using:

• Cutting Edge Solutions 3-part
• CalMag+
• Pro-Silicate
• Hygrozime
• Liquid Karma
• Superthrive
• Bud Candy
• Big Bud
• Overdrive

There appears to be a problem with uploading pics at the moment, but as soon as it is resolved I will upload the pics so far.

Any luck with pics? :confused:

Sorry about your first grow, that happened to a friend of mine. He grew his plant and tried to make it flower before he found out it was a male :( His next plant was female tho, and I hope yours will be too. :thumbsup:

Thanks for the positive vibes 420.
Unfortunately pics still will not upload. :(

So i found a "backdoor" way of postings pics for now. What I did was uploaded pics to my album. I then copied the "BB code" for each picture, (this is found under the photo when viewed in your album) and copied it into my post. There you have it, a solution to pics for now. I do hope they get this problem fixed soon. :jointsmile:

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I decided to start the seeds in Rapid Rooter plugs this time. My local shop had a big bag of individual ones for sale. Although they were all dried out.
To prep the Rapid Rooter plugs I soaked them in a solution of; RO water, 5ml/gal CalMag+, 5ml/gal Hygrozime, and 1ml/gal of SuperThrive with an adjusted ph of 5.7.
I soaked the seeds in a glass of spring water for about six hours. They did not sink, but I thought that this would help them get a head start. I then squeezed out most of the water from the plugs, so that they were just moist. Placed the seeds in the provided holes, and tore a piece of the plug off from the bottom to cover up the holes. They were then placed directly under two 23watt cfl bulbs. I don't have a humidity dome, so they dried out within a day. I watered each with 10ml of the same solution as above. I did this at the same time every day. The beans went into the Rapid Rooters on 09/19 and on 09/21 three had already popped up. The next day so did the fourth, and on the fourth day all were up and growing. Today I removed the cfl's and turned on my 400watt MH. The light is about four feet above them, and over the next few days I will slowly lower the light.
This grow is going way smoother than my previous one. :jointsmile:
Last time I went through six seeds, and only had two survive.
For the last few days I have also been prepping out my Hydroton. It has been soaking in a five gallon bucket, and I correct the ph each day. Today the ph stabilized at 5.9.

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Sweet! Thanks for the tip on the pics! :D


Babies are looking good already, Fingers crossed for girls! ;)

They better be girls, considering I bought femanized seeds

For the past week there has been a huge heatwave here. My cab temps have been at 90*F. I believe this has caused growth to be slow so far. They are resting in their new homes now, and are on a 18/6 light schedule. Also starting feeding with a mild solution.

The Soup:

• RO Water
• 5ml/gal CalMag+
• 10ml/gal Hygrozime
• 1ml/gal SuperThrive
• 1.25ml/gal each of Micro, Grow, and Bloom

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Room Temp = 82*F
Res Temp = 74*F
Humidity = 40%
PH = 5.5
PPM = 1000 @ 0.5 (600 before res change last night)

Yesterday I noticed that they were getting some type of deficiency. So I did a res change and upped the nutrients. Originally I was thinking that it was a calcium deficiency, but now I'm not sure because they are turning grey. Root growth seems to be stunted also. Any advise on what's going on will be greatly appreciated. :hippy:

The Soup:

• RO water
• 10ml/gal CalMag+
• 10ml/gal Hygrozyme
• 5ml/gal Pro-Silicate
• 4ml/gal each of Micro, Grow, & Bloom

This one has grown with this coloring sine day one. I have no idea what it could be. :wtf: Has anyone ran into this before?

• Room Temp = 80*F
• Res Temp = 68*f
• Humidity = 40%
• PH = 5.6
• PPM = 1000 @ 0.5

I think I transplanted to soon, because they are not really rooted yet. The way my container is set up, I can not submerse the net pots. So I have been top watering a couple times a day. I also found out that there has been some sort of growth in the res. It doesn't seem to be an algae or fungus growth. I believe it may be some sort of water born pathogen. It's white and has the consistency of a rubbery jelly. It clogged my return line and took over the bottom of the net pots. :eek:

So today I made a smaller tub that for now they will call home, while I'm breaking down and cleaning the other system. They will stay in this tub until they are fully rooted, because the net pots can be submersed now. All of them had to be removed from their pots cleaned and re-potted with new hydroton. I also started using some H2O2 and tap water in the res. The idea behind the tap water is maybe it will help kill this stuff off.

If anyone has some ideas or knows what this jelly stuff is, please let me know. :rastasmoke:

The Soup:

• 10ml/gal 30% H2O2
• 5ml/gal CalMag+
• 5ml/gal Pro-Silicate
• 5ml/gal each of Micro, Bloom, & Grow

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Originally Posted by tikiroom

• Room Temp = 80*F
• Res Temp = 68*f
• Humidity = 40%
• PH = 5.6
• PPM = 1000 @ 0.5

I think I transplanted to soon, because they are not really rooted yet. The way my container is set up, I can not submerse the net pots. So I have been top watering a couple times a day. I also found out that there has been some sort of growth in the res. It doesn't seem to be an algae or fungus growth. I believe it may be some sort of water born pathogen. It's white and has the consistency of a rubbery jelly. It clogged my return line and took over the bottom of the net pots. :eek:

So today I made a smaller tub that for now they will call home, while I'm breaking down and cleaning the other system. They will stay in this tub until they are fully rooted, because the net pots can be submersed now. All of them had to be removed from their pots cleaned and re-potted with new hydroton. I also started using some H2O2 and tap water in the res. The idea behind the tap water is maybe it will help kill this stuff off.

If anyone has some ideas or knows what this jelly stuff is, please let me know. :rastasmoke:

The Soup:

• 10ml/gal 30% H2O2
• 5ml/gal CalMag+
• 5ml/gal Pro-Silicate
• 5ml/gal each of Micro, Bloom, & Grow

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The temp of your res. should be about 58 degrees. That will help with algae and other water borne ailments.

Ga..

I forgot to mention that it is the temp of the water that helps with oxygen absorbtion by the roots. Healthier roots make healthier plants.

Ga..

Ga, thanks for the advice.:thumbsup:
Since they've been in the new tub, I have been trying to keep the water temps lower. It fluctuates between about 55*F to 72*F right now, due to the fact I can't afford a water chiller. I use frozen water bottles to try to control water temps. The only problem is I gotta sleep sometime. So this is when the temp slowly rises over night.

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Originally Posted by tikiroom

Ga, thanks for the advice.:thumbsup:
Since they've been in the new tub, I have been trying to keep the water temps lower. It fluctuates between about 55*F to 72*F right now, due to the fact I can't afford a water chiller. I use frozen water bottles to try to control water temps. The only problem is I gotta sleep sometime. So this is when the temp slowly rises over night.

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Add 2 liter bottles then you'll lengthen the time frame.. :thumbsup: Wish you the best!

Ga..

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Originally Posted by tikiroom

Ga, thanks for the advice.:thumbsup:
Since they've been in the new tub, I have been trying to keep the water temps lower. It fluctuates between about 55*F to 72*F right now, due to the fact I can't afford a water chiller. I use frozen water bottles to try to control water temps. The only problem is I gotta sleep sometime. So this is when the temp slowly rises over night.

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Add 2 liter bottles then you'll lengthen the time frame.. :thumbsup: You could wrap your res hotwater blanket,too.. Wish you the best!

Ga..

Last night I noticed that the white rubbery jelly substance was starting to come back. The H2O2 apparently just was no match for this monster. I was afraid to go any higher with the doses. Was already pushing it with 10ml/gal 30%. This stuff also seems to love oxygen. :confused:

So did a res change today. Washed off all of the stuff I could find, and of coarse sanitized everything. Now I'm going to see how the Hygrozyme reacts with it.

New Soup:

• Tap Water
• 5ml/gal Hygrozyme
• 5ml/gal pro-Silicate
• 5ml/gal CalMag+
• 5ml/gal each of Micro, Bloom, & Grow

Has anyone dealt with, or heard of a guy with this type of growth in the reservoir before? Any and all comments are more than welcomed on this subject. :stupid:

What type of water are you using? I found that when I was using my well water in my HYDRO set up my PH would swing more as well as the water would get kind of milky? I would appear to have a fog in the water after about 2 days after my res changes. Now with distilled no issues at all:)

I started with RO water, but since the growth I'm now using tap water. Was hoping the stuff in the tap would help fight it off.
My ph has been pretty steady, and water stays clear.

excted to see more of this Grow!!!!!! looking good tiki. loven the set up :)

Thanks camo :jointsmile:

Well the jelly is still persisting. My next idea is to try some beneficial bacteria.

Today I went to my local hydro shop and talked with the guy for a bit. He is also stumped and not heard of this type of growth before. He then pulled out a freebie from a trade show, and gave it to me to try. :clap:
It is called Cobra. So yet again the soup is changing today once lights go on.

The Soup:

• Tap Water
• 5 ml/gal Hygrozyme
• 5 ml/gal CalMag+
• 5 ml/gal Pro-Silicate
• 5 ml/gal each of Micro, Bloom, & Grow
• 1/2 tsp/gal Cobra (beneficial bacteria)

tiki,
Lemme ask ya,this.. Has any of the equipment that you use,ever been used with a salt water aquarim? Like a reef tank. If you said yes. It would be a Brown like jelly that attacks coral. I was just curious..

Ga..

No salt water, just from the Home Depot.

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Originally Posted by tikiroom

No salt water, just from the Home Depot.

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Well..... I'm freakin' stumped! I'll keep lookin' for a remedy!:thumbsup:

Ga.....

Look into the cyano-bacteria. Sounds very much like what happen to me.

Only way to take care of it for us was Physan20.

Nothing will touch it and it starts a bio-slime that stay on all surfaces if not cleaned with something that can kill it. It's a kind of clear snot growth and it does not need light to grow. In most cases the good bacteria keep it in check but when conditions are right in hydro non of the main products will help. They are dealing with algea type problems and that won't work here.

You got alot of reading to do now . Hurry no time to waste you might be able to save them little ones.

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Originally Posted by LOC NAR on probation

Look into the cyano-bacteria. Sounds very much like what happen to me.

Only way to take care of it for us was Physan20.

Nothing will touch it and it starts a bio-slime that stay on all surfaces if not cleaned with something that can kill it. It's a kind of clear snot growth and it does not need light to grow. In most cases the good bacteria keep it in check but when conditions are right in hydro non of the main products will help. They are dealing with algea type problems and that won't work here.

You got alot of reading to do now . Hurry no time to waste you might be able to save them little ones.

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Well i just did a lot of reading. Everything I could find said that cyanobacteria does require some type of light to grow. Although it can live in very low light conditions. If you have links or other info on cyanobacteria I will gladly read it.
Thanks for the heads up and the educating. :jointsmile:

At this point I'm still not sure what this growth is. My plan right now is to give the beneficial bacteria some time to try and win the battle.
If that doesn't work, then I may give Physan 20 a go at it. All suggestions are still greatly welcomed.

Get some physan to have on hand for cleanups too. Then you will be ready.

Remember that the cyano covers the roots in snot and cuts off all oxy to them giving the look of root rot. So everything will look like root rot.

Good luck.

Well all this crap is starting to take a toll on my plants. :mad:

Today I did another res change. Did not notice much difference in quantity of the jelly growth, but I did notice that it was a lot easier to clean off than before.
I reserved a few cups of the old res and added it to the new soup. Hoping that by doing this I will continue to keep building up a powerful colony of beneficial bacteria.

My current plan is to do this every few days and hope for the best.
Unfortunately this is all I can do until the first.(payday)

One more pic

I have heard that certain types of pythium can't grow in lower ph's. So I'm going to be keeping the ph around 5.2.

I asked some of the folk's I run with and they said" They have seen pink jelly before." It only stayed around the water ring at water level. Never had to clean like you have,cause it never got that bad. The plants turned out great with very little ph issues. I'll tell all of them that soil is alot more forgiving. Things like this is why I do soil. I'll dabble some with areo and hydro, or drip. I'm still gonna see what I can come up with cause maybe someone will benefit as well as you and I..

Appreciate your efforts Ga.
I was able to scrounge up a few bucks, and got some Physan 20, net pots, and hydroton today. I will post later today on how all that goes.

I think that with the net pots and clay pellets. You'll be able to beat this slime! You'll have more oxygen in the water for the roots. Res. temp is still what helps with roots and oxygen. Just shoot to keep it around 58ish. I wish you the best of luck!:thumbsup::jointsmile:

I'm gonna check in with ya!

Well as the tittle says, major surgery was performed on my girls today.
All the roots were completely engulfed with this jelly slime! Blocking out uptake, just like LOC NAR said. :mad:

They were removed from their net pots, cleaned, soaked, and re-potted. All using Physan 20.

Sanitizing: 15ml/gal Physan 20 PH'd to 5.8
All tools, air stones, reservoir, bottles used to cool res, new hydroton, and new net pots were soaked in this solution for about an hour.

Root Soak: 8ml/gal Physan 20 PH'd to 5.8
Once removed from the pots, I washed off all of the jelly slime that I could find. Then they got soaked in this solution for about thirty minutes.
Got washed again, and another soak for about thirty minutes. After this they were re-potted.

Also trimmed off all dead leaves. I will be running a mild nutrient solution for now, due to the fact they are so weak at the moment. Moved my light up about 12" too.

The new plan is do res changes every two days. While I'm doing the res change, they will soak in a Physan 20 solution.
Really hope this works, because it looks like this could be my last chance with these girls.

Of coarse any and all suggestions on this are greatly welcomed.

The Soup:

• 2.5 ml/gal CalMag+
• 2 ml/gal Pro-silicate
• 5 ml/gal Hygrozyme
• 0.5 ml/gal SuperThrive
• 2.5 ml/gal each of Micro, Bloom, & Grow

PPM = 650 @ 0.5 (my tap water is 300 to start)

Came across your thread via your sig...

So what ended up happening? I had the same problem with that algae slime crap. LOC also told me about physan20. That stuff is crazy... it like nuked all that slime to holy hell.


Hope they turned out for you. I have some LSD beans that im saving for a rainy day. :stoned:

It has been rough going, but there is some survivors.
I will have an updated post probably in about a week.

I wanted to get everything taken care of, and then just tell you guys what worked for me.


:hippy:

Sorry for being gone for so long, but got busy and then had surgery. I am back now.

There are two survivors!
This jelly slime was a bitch. :mad: Here is a link to a post that helped me with battling this stuff. http://boards.cannabis.com/hydroponi...ml#post2090623

I have learned that beneficial bacteria is key. (at least for me :D) The Cobra was junk! I am using General Hydroponics Sub-Culture B now.
I am also now using a venturi that i made to get extra oxygen into the water.

The remaining two have been topped and LST'd.
I think the big one is a male. :(

That's all for now, the hand still really hurts from surgery.

The pics.
The last one is a close up of the pre-flower on the big plant.
Do you guys think it is male?

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Originally Posted by tikiroom

The pics.
The last one is a close up of the pre-flower on the big plant.
Do you guys think it is male?

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I think you will need to look at it in a week to be sure. (does it have big balls let's hope not) Sorry to hear about your hand. Hope it heals up soon.

I'm going to check on this thread in a few days to see if you updated it at all. Best of luck to you! :)

Well the big one was male, so just came down.
The other one is showing female tendencies, but no pistols yet. And of coarse the only survivor ends up being the one with the weird growth. It's like the leaves have a problem holding onto chlorophyll. :wtf:

Maybe I should call her Helen. :D

One last couples shot, and then it's a singles party from here on out. :rastabanna: