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Man, I've stopped in a couple joints lately and quality is really poor... these are reputable places that have sticky posts above...
I've been out of state since June and things were good before I left, however, the recent situation leaves plenty to be desired.
I might have to hike it up to Ned and see what's up with this Giving Tree place, although my red card is in storage... so I can't go anywhere new til I get that out. Kinda bummed.
The herb lately SUCKS!!
Ive noticed the same thing. Caregivers are no longer able to sell to dispensaries and the dispensaries are suffering. Everyone is required to grow their own now and the majority of these places do not know how to grow. They are about to realize how hard and time consuming it is to produce top shelf. They are selling the stuff that has been sitting in a safe somewhere because it didnt sell the first time it was on the shelves. Cologrower420 is about to find out the hard way that caregivers were producing all of the top shelf! :(Quote:
Originally Posted by lampost
Quality here in Durango is still high. Four new dispensaries have opened recently. Two days ago I checked out a couple and was well-pleased with price and quality. A special shout goes to Chuck's Nursery who treated me very well as a first-time customer. They grow everything on site, and were happy to spend some time showing me the grow rooms and discussing strain selection. Good meds, good customer service.
I was in a new place the other day & Have to agree, their quality was the pits. I went there because my regular place had not had my favorite strain in quite some time due to 1284 I would assume & this place was fairly close & there aren't any decent MMC's that are close.Quote:
Originally Posted by lampost
Anyway the day after I seen their junk, my regular MMC had my favorite strain back on the menu & I have since been in and picked some up & it was worth the wait excellent quality. In fact they had it lab tested.
I use mostly Indica's due to the nature of the pain I experience. I haven't had much luck with Sativa's, though I have decent results with Cindy 99.
Have any of you tried the agent orange from Grateful Meds...this strain at least for me is top notch...2 small bowls last nite about midnite and next thing I know it was 3am in the morning with head rush's and body happiness most of the nite until I passed out....the normal; pain in my shoulder was non-existint the rest of the nite...as far as I am concerned this medicine is A ++Quote:
Originally Posted by mustangwomyn
I love the agent orange. it's the house favorite here. the first round buds grew out kinda weird, long and skinny but swollen, outstanding smoke! I have another one flowering now, about half way through.. Interesting thing is, my wife and I find it to be a stellar daytime smoke, and for me it is great for relieving muscle spasms/cramps. She says it keeps her up if she smokes it before bed. long story short, I got the beans from GM.
I agree that quality has most def taken a nose dive. CAM still has some quality but fewer fire strains for sure. Deltya 9 just totally sucks for flowers now(complete waste of time the last 3 visits). I stopped going to Patients Choice months ago... Wellspring has some fire but wont split 8ths...
one good thing... I went to Releaf Center yesterday and tho their flowers kinda suck they have the best hash selection/prices I've ever seen. I mean REALLY GOOD concentrates... Word!
Last time I was at the "new" CCF, their stuff looked alright. And I do mean, alright.
Even before all of this went down, I thought about 10 places from Metro/Boulder/Ned seemed to be doing it right, now it seems like Ned once again has everything on lock.
This "Sublime" I picked up recently at GM is NICE. Rock hard, iced out, beautiful smelling herb that kicks hard. The taste is average, as compared to GREAT strains like Bryan's SFV OG Kush or Jeff's Golden Goat, but you shouldn't need to puff on this very much to get the desired affect.:thumbsup:
Growing quality cannabis is quite a challenge during the summer months. I'm sure it proved to be quite challenging to some who have not experienced how hot it can get here in the summer.. Nothing new here though, the amount of quality herb always goes down considerably from the months of june through sept in the rocky mtn region..
Growing exceptional cannabis requires much more than labor/skill, I truly believe it is a labor of love, and the resulting product will be conducive to how much time and love went into that plant.. When it is quite obvious that the majority of centers out there are in this to simply make money, is it any surprise that the quality of the herb has dropped? I will not be surprised when c's and b's become the norm, and A grade medicine will be unaffordable to most. We pretty much are following cali's footsteps in that respect to a tea.. A+ herb in most clubs is 50+ $ an 1/8 usually all the way up.. Grow your own, just think if everyone that could grow did, there most certainly would not be a shortage of quality meds..
Personally I have had good luck with patients choice & their quality seems to be pretty decent IMHO. They have some Agent O in stock I may have to give it a try next time I am in.Quote:
Originally Posted by kingminus
one of these days I will make the drive to Nederland, but its a real hike for me as we are several miles east of DIA
mustang, me and my partner are going to take the drive up in a week or so and we are in Thornton if you want to hitch a ride with us just let me know.Quote:
Originally Posted by mustangwomyn
We leave from 104th and Colo. and usually leave late morning as GM does not open until noon I believe. and we are usually back by 2 or so.
we do also want to check out the harvest house as we have heard nice things about there.
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Originally Posted by denverbear
Wow, sounds like we live blocks from each other :thumbsup:
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Originally Posted by lampost
This is what happens when one tries to make a farmer out of a retailer. I suspect it's going to get much worse--as everything that the caregivers were selling to dispensory owners is gone--and owners have to turn into not only the salesperson but the farmer too.
Sure, quality has taken a dive at some places. But the places that grow their own best strains are still running strong. You just have to be picky about where you go. CAM still has good strains but not the selection lately, however I suspect they will get that back soon.
But let me give a special shout out to Pure, which has had some great meds lately- the chemdawg, berry white, stevie wonder, querkel, and lifesaver are all top notch. My tolerance is very high, but the bud I get from Pure always does the trick. As I live in downtown Denver, these have been my 2 go to places lately.
So where did all of these 'top shelf caregivers' go, if they aren't selling to MMC's? I'm asking as a patient with difficult access to non-MMC top quality meds...Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenergy
Heh,... there's more than a few of us in this neck of the woods! :jointsmile:Quote:
Originally Posted by Zedleppelin
My wife hasn't really had to hit the MMC's recently, but I've been wanting to take her out to places like GM and check out the quality, perhaps get some pointers, maybe some new genetics.:cool:
I work in boulder, and have seen several caregivers fold up shop since they simply can't afford to keep running without being able to sell overgrow to dispensary's.Quote:
Originally Posted by JeepGuyCO
I'm new to estes park. There aren't any MMC's here, only one appears to be in Lyons. Driving to boulder is a slight hassle. I'd really like to hook up with a more local caregiver. I am a higher volume patient, so I'm worth more to someone who continues to provide medicine to patients.Quote:
Originally Posted by canniwhatsis
Are there other forums where caregivers can get into contact with patients like myself? It seems apparent that this site discourages contact between members. That's fine since it protects everyone, it just puts additional barriers between me and a caregiver. I'm not asking for specifics, is there some keywords I can google or something? I don't even see any sketchballs selling overages on CL locally.
Advice? thx.
Good luck with the caregiver thing, I'm sure there's someone in that neck of the woods that can help you out, but how to find them is up in the air.
truthfully, it wasnt all that to begin with. people wanted variety and now are realizing that most were not that good to begin with. a few remain vigilant, however do not expect dispensaries to not push things through, they need that volume. further i hear of people feeling sick from it. pesticides sprayed to late i flowering or not flushing properly, who knows all i know is ive never had a really positive experience at a dispensary. for now ill stick with meded:D
meded so you can mededicate to mededitate:jointsmile:
Quality is still out there, Most MMC's cant grow good. shop centers to find the ones that can or the ones that gobbled up the best growers. I've found 4 places that have real dank (no STICKY'S here), and thats it, every week or two i try to check out a new place but always walk out empty handed or regretfull i didnt. I dont even go to centers that charge 50 or more an 1/8th. i just go back to one of my top 4.
Thanks 4 the offer, but with my husbands work schedule I never know when he will be home & he has the only vehicle, so unless he is home I am stuck at home. He works in Road construction. So I will have to pass. I will get him to drive me up one day, maybe after I get my disability check this month.Quote:
Originally Posted by denverbear
thanks anyway
Are we allowed to recommend website addresses on this forum to help patients find caregivers?Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenergy
Do tell of these 4 magical places in Denver that have "real dank" for under $50 an eighth :wtf:Quote:
Originally Posted by showstopper
I'm skeptical too, especially since it appears he's poo-pooing solid places like releaf, pure, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by rizzo1722
Given our community and patient's want of top quality, I'm sure if these 4 places would be well known, if they existed. Maybe they're grown in soil with pixie dust and fertilized with unicorn poo.
too many if's there methinks...
I've found griffin guano to work the best! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by cologrower420
The 97 pages of additional regulations that have been appended to the existing regulatory bill are basically a wakeup call that they are going to try to regulate this industry "to death" to get the small players out of it. We knew this would happen. Crony capitalism is alive and well. The wealthy and politically connected will prevail. Some centers will be having some problems complying with some of the changes that were added to the bill. This does not mean that the state will be returning the non-refundable application fee that they were required to send in prior to these new regulations being added. The new rules will certainly benefit the big operations as they gobble up the smaller dispensaries that are going to fail due to these expanding regulations.Quote:
Originally Posted by funkfingers
The new paradign is to encourage growers to use hydroponics systems and grow in industrial warehouses under artificial lights. This is incredibly wasteful from the standpoint of energy usage. I prefer dirt grow medium to chemical soup and greenhouse winter grows using real sunshine whenever possible, though obviously supplementary lighting is necessary for greenhouse growing in winter here.......that's only 4-5 months. Greenhouses are going to be harder/more expensive to secure than warehouses so cost is a factor in the planning phase and the new security regulations are very strict. I'm willing to pay for my own greenhouse and security system but this won't really work under a business model that doesn't allow the market to dictate pricing for grade A product and I can't get top dollar for my grow. I don't want to use what I consider to be an inferior and risky grow methodology. I know there are plenty here who will disagree with this being an inferior method but I'm old school and I like dirt and as much natural sunlight as I can get. If a hydroponics system fails or your liquid grow medium becomes contaminated, or you get mites, you can't segregate a plant/plants and you can seriously damage or completely lose your entire operation literally overnight. I'm not going to play this game if I can't do it pretty much on my own terms. Unless I can achieve something along the lines of what I prefer, it's back to being a caregiver for 5 patients. I'm not going to be a slave to a system that pays me jack shit to work my ass off 16+ hours a day to grow a huge number of plants in order to make a profit. The numbers just don't work relative to the amount of time involved to grow a quality product.
I don't have a problem with paying taxes on my earnings at point of sale to a dispensary. That was the previous model and it would have worked just fine before 1284 happened. 1284 assumes a guilty until proven innocent posture relative to growers being honest about their earnings. The new regulations will reduce competition in the marketplace and limit the availability of quality product to patients. The paradign is going to be for big centers to offer growers 1/3 to 1/2 less (or even less than this) per kilo for their product than the actual market will bear. They are not, however going to be passing this along to the patient at point of retail sale so what will happen is that they will buy up the harvests of growers who are going out of business at a discount, then they can capitalize their expansion with this cheap product until there are fewer growers (their growers), then they will actually raise prices to the patient because demand will be funnelled through fewer supplers (them) and the supply (and price) will be controlled by them.
Sweet.
The silver lizard, cannacopia,blue sky care, ALCC. the lizard is my main goto but when they are in between harvests i hit alcc just down the street or cannacopia in stapleton area, and blue sky is in littleton and they have probably one of the most talented growers i've found. coloradogrower420 i'm not "poo-pooing" on anyone, like i said i dont goto centers that charge more then whats fair so i wouldnt know what your favs have to offer. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by rizzo1722
Your other post implied (to me) that you were going to withhold your knowledge of these 'great' places, so I was just needling you with the hope that you'd share.Quote:
Originally Posted by showstopper
I wasn't being serious, and I appreciate your honesty.
I've been to acutabove in littleton, back when they were new, and they were overpriced and below average quality. I boycotted thehempcenter when after they advertised a free birthday 1/8 only to deny that offer when asked. There's another place I forget that I walked out of without buying anything.
Patients should be looking for quality MMC's, and not putting up with whatever their 'go-to' places offer.
Again, thanks for sharing.
William Breathes, the pot critic for westword, was quoted as saying his top five strains are:
Diesel Haze
White Fire
Killer Queen
Cough
Super Silver Haze
I have found a couple of these strains, but I'd like some input from people on where to buy good samples of these strains.
Where can I buy White Fire? I've never seen it before.
Probably from your neighborhood underground grower thanks to 1284.Quote:
Originally Posted by cologrower420
White fire was at herbal elements so sad its gone, but i still have a fat nug of white sittin around can't wait to indulge in it.
Nah, none of my 'neighborhood underground grower(s) thanks to 1284' could ever grow MMC quality medicine, and the ones that do aren't going to do so for much longer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zedleppelin
Since I am snobbish and require top 1% quality, I'm stuck with MMC's. As caregiver inventory is sold by MMC's, quality will go down, but there will always be a few places that carry solid medicine.
It looks like growing my own medicine is my best option moving forward, but as you know it's going to be difficult to grow the quality of medicine I'm looking for.
White fire? Back in Alabama we had something called white lightning, but I think that's a little different...
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Originally Posted by cologrower420
Keep telling yourself that while you pay over $60 an eighth for mediocrity while I enjoy my Super Lemon Haze that dispensaries still call me for. :D
C'mon Zed. You don't know what he buys or where he shops. How do you know it's mediocre? How do you know how much his medicine costs? To make specific statements from a position of general ignorance is silly and makes you appear a fool. I could just as well make the same claims about your "Super Lemon Haze" and they would be equally ridiculous.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zedleppelin
Why do you believe they "aren't going to do so for much longer", 420?Quote:
Originally Posted by cologrower420
I don't pay over $60 an eighth, that would be silly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zedleppelin
I don't understand why everyone is so adversarial in this industry, why all of the hate and vitriol. It's confusing to me why there is still this 'us vs them' mentality, even among those in our industry. This whole attitude is precisely why 1284/109 got passed. God knows there are enough growers and smokers in this state that we easily could have something better than this legislation. Until this attitude changes, things will get worse before they get better.
Keep encouraging this though, it has done wonders for our cause the last six months.
Nah, none of my 'neighborhood underground grower(s) thanks to 1284' could ever grow MMC quality medicine, and the ones that do aren't going to do so for much longer.
Why do you believe they "aren't going to do so for much longer", 420?
I'm talking about my ideal caregiver, someone who grows and produces top quality medicine, similar to what I pay for top shelf, top 1% quality-wise at an MMC. Someone who probably made a decent living before being limited to 5 patients.
I guess my point is, it's going to be awfully difficult for these types of caregivers to continue to grow with only 5 patients and not being allowed to sell to MMC's. What caregiver would attempt to make a profit by only having 5 patients and 36 plants, max? What caregiver would stay in this business if they were non-profit?
I'm not interested in higher plant recommendations or anything else that caregivers might use to grow more, I'm only talking about 36 plants at most, half in flower. I'm only talking about for-profit caregivers.
edit: unless a caregiver held auditions for the highest volume patients, I don't see a solution for them anymore. That seems unlikely.
What's your opinion? Do you think they'll stop growing? I'm curious, I think you have more experience with caregivers than I do. Hopefully quality doesn't suffer for patients in the short term.
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Originally Posted by HighPopalorum
My position is based on almost 10 years in this industry as a patient, dispensary owner and a caregiver, and before that almost 20 years as an advocate, so if thats how you define ignorance then so be it. I spoke with an owner/friend yesterday about this very subject and it seems what 1284 has done at this point is put the smaller centers in a position where they cannot obtain quality meds and the ones that can are getting them on the black market. Since the beginning of Sept I have had more dispensaries call me looking than before, and one asked if I knew where to get 100 lbs, so what does that say? All these centers are desperate and willing to break the law to survive. Maybe as time goes on these centers grows will eventually satisfy the market but right now they are not.