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Are you registered with G&G what area are you in?
Four Corners area. Who is G&G? I didn't see them on my list.Quote:
Originally Posted by alfonso2002
they are in grants area G&G Genetics they were in the list that I got.
I'll contact the DOH sometime today. grrrr! They gave me a bum list. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by alfonso2002
It was the list they sent out when the 4 Producers were approved to make a total of 5........you sure you're looking at that one?Quote:
Originally Posted by Totah Sam
You said it!!, Corrupt, Incompetent, Glorified Drug Dealers,patients cannot have confidence in quality(or quantity appearently), at these outrageous prices, Patients should at least get a certificate of quality, and assurance of the weight. it's hard to believe, the state actually intends on collecting a 7% tax, how will they justify the inconsistentcy of availability, let alone the quality.this 7% tax will just be added to the already inflated cost and passed on to the patient, perhaps if the program were run as designed, and the producers held accountable for their actions, this would be reasonable,the program could show that it can stand on its own and the producers are capable and willing to, self-police, themselves. unfortunately some of the producers are, Corrupt, as well as incapable of actually PRODUCING!!
The program is in ist infancy and it dose need a lot of work on it. But as far as the tax. the program is not being funded at this point MAYBE they will use that for this program. they have 3 borrowed people that are doing the best they can.As for the growers don't know for sure the profits they are reaping but for how much we pay it sounds to be high. hopefully at some point we will have enough producers that the demand to supply will enable the price to come down.Quote:
Originally Posted by jmon2903
I too believe most of the suppliers are producing crap. I don't mean any disrepect to them, but they are learning. I don't believe anyone at any of them has had any experience in growing before. They are all growing through the curve. Its a rush, thats why it looks good but tastes like crap. No curing, just hurry....cut it, dry it, bag it, sell it. Thats why I was curious to the street prices around new mexico. Hell, you can get better quality off of the streets than from most of the distributor Herb that I have tried. There is a wanna-be distributor in the works. All people are in place and they are just waiting on all the approvals. THEY will grow and produce some good kind. There are a couple of members of their team that Have been growing indoors for many many years. That experience will show if they get licensed and start producing.
What area are they in . I also know someone that is trying to get there lic> are almost there.
here is a list of most produers nowBudding Hope
Grass Roots RX
Healthy Education Society
Sacred Garden
MedZen Services
Mother Earth Herbs
Natural Medicine of NM
New MexiCann
SWOP
three are not on the list
Many of the start-up producers do put out a good product. At least as inexpensive and good quality as can be found on the street. One of the major problems with start-up is that you have to get your seeds somewhere. I feel some of the producers invested in questionable genetics. Unfortunately it takes about four monthe to figure out you've been hosed. There are excellent seed producers out there (both foreign and domestic) that provide first class genetics and stand by their product. I think the high start-up costs often lead producers to "cheap"out" on seeds. Unfortunately by the time they find out they're eight months behind and have left a bad taste (literally in some cases) in their consumers mouth. Good genetics are a must if you're goung to keep the trust and confidence of your patients. Good genetics aren't cheap...But do New Mexico's patients deserve any less?
That having been said...It's poor form to bitch about the quality of the medicine you recieve AT COST.... The startup costs of a well funded grow operation can top $300,000 It takes a looooong time to recoup that investment. All in all I agree with Blackhash. If you're not satisfied with the quality of your medicine...Grow your own...BB
wow 300,000? dollars? maybe 10 years ago or even 5, there are over 3,000 patients and still only 5 producers, sounds to me like the state chose the producers wrong if they cant produce? where are the seeds? or clones? it only takes about a week or 2 to clone, where are the lists for patients to get clones,producers learning? I thought the whole point is giving the licenses to people who know what their doing? the people in charge are fuking it all up. It does not take that big of a plan to grow 100 plants it takes time but not 300,000 dollars American any way. besides a 300,000 room for 100 plants is not necessary. the producers must be growing little plants other wise 100 plants could producer 100lbs or more pounds of cured bud each, and closer to 200 pounds about every 6 months possibly 8 months. could be done well and efficiently if the right people were asked, but this is all about bullshit still.
where are the clubs? where are the free growing programs held buy clubs? the trimming party's where people learn to harvest?
I am not a patent of NM caseu they wont give me a card even though I have 2 of the things on the list. I have not legally walked into a cannabis dispensary in another state or country, but that doesn't mean I don't know what one is or have been there. Because one doesn't know doesn't mean one cant ask. is no producer making over 50 lbs in a 4 month period? caseu what are they doin then? 1-10 pounds a month? thats what people on a little scale do in there walking closets. and the producers cant do better? their is allot not adding up here? where are the seeds? where are the clones, but mostly where are the home growers? I thought you were allowed 4 mature plants, on a big scale with a 1000W light or more that means about 4-7 pounds from 4 plants, people are about perpetual harvest but when you have 4 mature to play with perpetual is not exactly the term its more like staged where your not gonna be vegging or keeping a mother as much as you think; its more have females seeds and use your veg room to trim and top and make big for the flower room. big plants for bigger yields, better strains for more prductinve yields, but little plants for little yields it would be different if you were allowed 30 plants then you can grow allot of little ones harvest often but that is not the case so you work with what you control in your environment. does anyone know what the producers grow rooms look like? are they 2 or three peoples closets? or are they a small warehouse with massive air conditioners inside? caseu as it seams-they are running out all the time and they don't sell that much their is a cap on amount I cant say deliver me a half pound, so what is the problem caseu their is one.
either they produce or they don't, more than 3 producers have been in business for well over a year, that is enough time to have stable mothers and a full room going, to the point where they should have about 10 pounds a month constantly, and that is a low figure, I'm thinking allot of sativas are growing in their, if it were allot of indicas the pound number would more than double I think.
I don't get it? if just one of these producers got their stuff together they would have a monopoly over the state caseu even 5,000 patient's when offered 10 pounds a month should be stable enough to keep in business instead of waiting and harvesting period. I don't get get it?
I have no idea about the quality but if that is a problem then this program is a joke. what are we supposed to say to the little girl with cancer that just saw the race for the cure movie and thinks she still has a chance? "Oh sorry the cure is out of season right now, maybe next lifetime; NEXT!" I dont get it, to me alot doesnt add up 100x1=10? not in my world?
4 pounds per plant for 4 plants is 1 pound per plant, I see it worded funny lol but yeah at least a pound per plant is what I would be shooting for, even more if possible
I think with proper education or just some one showing how, the way medical cannabis clubs are supposed to be it is "just that easy" soil is free and nutrients are not to expensive. Almost everyone I know in cali grows there own nugs and they are usually better then what is offered at the clubs. it doesn't not take long to learn to grow if you know how to follow a recipe, sure a massive plant is not gonna be perfect the first time, but I have seen it, perfect the first time many times. hydro is not need right away and even when one starts with out co2 a massive plant will still yield allot. but the producers are really dropping the ball caseu I do have some people with cards and they are saying the same thing I can only get a 1/8 here and their. if the college guys around unm can keep the entire campus stocked with good herb then a professional witha 100 plants should be putting out some major medicine
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Originally Posted by aniolator
You are either buying from the wrong Producer or your standards are too high.
High all! New to this site. My DOH card arrived today. The list I was given has only 4 producers listed. One of which is NOT accepting any new customers.
The sites I did visit all required registration and then wait another couple of weeks to see if I am even accepted or not.
If I was not already bald from chemo, I'd be pulling my hair out! Does anyone have any info/contacts for any other producers in ABQ?
Thanks,
hurting and need help.
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Originally Posted by 1bluebird
Only 4? ... Is there no G&G Genetics listed??
GRASS ROOTS, New MexiCann and SWOP have or will have product in a couple of weeks. Get your bald headed applications in ASAP! It's a big pool of us bald headed patients - just pulling our fingers at what used to be hair.
Best of luck brother. Hat's help me alot!!
I am on their board.
Call them from the numbers on their contact page.
They will deliver.
That sure was quick.
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Originally Posted by jmon2903
Hey jmon, didnt you use to work for SWOP?
I did some design and control fabrication for them, the deal was labor for equal payment in med, to the tune of 17,000, unfortunately these guys are total cons, even st. Jake is in on it,I mean did they really have to relocate someone from Wisconsin to deliver cannabis?
I saw the story on chan.4, no wonder the supply is short, the spokesman must have smoked a couple grams before the interview.
Damn, yeah I saw that segment too, the spokesperson didn't seem to have any idea what he was talking about, maybe he was high, but that still doesn't explain that grow room.
They have 8 foot tall plants, and lights hung horizontal, you just have to look at the inverse square law to realize how poor of a design that room really is.
The bottom 4 feet are getting less than 1/16 the light they should receive.
I know I said producers should lower their prices, but when your growing that inefficient, no wonder prices are so high.
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Hey jmon you should get in contact with me.
peace n
lolQuote:
Originally Posted by jmon2903
WOW, 17,000.00$ dollars?
Did they even give you anything, what type of work did you do for them.
Those guys gave me the cold sholder as soon as the facility was able to produce at the smallest scale, the system that I designed for them included top of the line industrial controllers and sensors, unfortunately they decided to get sh**y whith me and I never completed or commisisoned the system, I still have the industrial controller that would control and monitor all of the needed processes, and they had some joker do the control work,now they actually have to climb up in the attic to adjust fan speed, what idiots. Anyway to tell the truth it is not worth my time to file a lien, and I m just happy not to deal with these a**holes anymore, they actually held an inproper board meeting to make changes to the bylaws in total violation of the existing bylaws, these guys are total crooks and they will damage this program in spite of us all.
So the "joker" running the show now, Is that Mr. TriCHROME.
lol
I was actually corresponding with david a bit, but when I went off about the prices being to high on here on the cannabis forums, that was the last I ever heard from him, that was a a few weeks back, emailed him a few times since, no response.
Don't think he has any interest in cutting costs and losing out on those profit margins., although its probably impossible with that inefficient grow he has going on to cut costs right now anyways.
I actually promised to quadruple his production, and if I didnt, they wouldn't even have to reimburse me for my time, he was loving that, then talk of lowering prices, that was it for our correspondence.
although maybe he is just busy, so David, if your reading this, contact me. I will help you lower prices for patients.
peace
Nah Im pretty sure David is just giving me the cold shoulder as well, just looked at therealwhites profile, Last Activity: Oct-15-2010 09:11
He is watching whats going on around here, even if he isnt commenting.
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Originally Posted by MadSativa
A POUND!!!!! Must be growing outdoors no way your getting that indoor...........also HIGH quality bud does not yeild that high maybe 500g p/meter "WET" "strain cheese" which would be 4.5oz dried and thats if grown with C02 and you been growning for 10 years plus indoors
youll be lucky if you get 5 oz total out of your four plants
Its grams per watt, people who don't know what they are doing usually get .2- .3 grams per watt, someone with a little experience .5grams per watt, a good grower using hydroponics can hit 1.0 grams per watt, and the world renowned growers have hit 2.0grams per watt on few select grows with correct strain. you also have to take into consideration the amount of weeks to finish (flowering time)
Hate to break it to you but you are a serious amateur if you havnt even seen a 1 pound plant indoors.
There is a link in the 100% confused thread, with like 20 books all on cannabis cultivation.
good luck learning to grow bro
Im just posting this picture up as an example that you have no idea what you are talking about OG, its not a picture taken by me, but more than proves the point of how little you know.
best wishes.
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thats not true at all 5 oz total thats way to little 1 pound per plant is very doo able in almost any strain, with out Co2 with co2 you can have the plant much smaller and get the same yield, and yes thats in doors. 500g perM is almost any strain now days and that is a minimum for a high yielder. even allot of hybrid strains can make close if not over 1 pound per plant as long as internoding is short and plant hight can remain small enough to fit in a 8ft room.Quote:
Originally Posted by therealOG
with a cheese strain I am sure you can get close to a pound out of 1 plant, I am sure well manicured with over a dozen tops it would have enough for a pound in their.
I don't know what you mean buy wet probably wet plant matter but you only count a dry manicured product for weight, when you buy an oz it is not wet it is dry.
But one thing I really disagree with is the 10 year thing, it does not matter if your growing for 10 weeks if you are following instructions and checking ph and ec everyday and basically doing a good job, time has no validity. That is something I have herd allot lately, you need experience. Their are many people out there doing it for a short time and doing very well some so much so that they are teaching new methods and more yielding everyday, a good example is that you tube channel i posted yesterday, that guy has allot of experience in a little time and you cant tell me his growers paralysis is not as good as the old guys, cause for the most part he has surpassed some teachers.
these plants in this vid yield about a pound give or take a oz or 2, even the smallest of plants never toped or manicured finished hight is about 2 feet they will yield about a oz each, and that is plain old indica genetics
YouTube - urbanremo's Channel
srry but I disagree on that post almost completely
there is alot there.........but where is the resin???? I said HIGH QUALITY........not just pot........medical cannabis.......if that was given to a patient they would want their money back actually they wouldnt even want it. that garden looked to me what week 6 maybe 7...........week 3 high quality has 8x more resin than that at week 6 maybe 7........
no hard feelings dudes im just sayin dont get your hopes up for a pound of high quality bud per plant
:thumbsup:
pic is of one of my OG kUSH week 7 garden had 2-1000w Super hps hortilux bulbs........plant produced 3 oz dried....3ft tall
hey there og, I hate to be condescending, but you keep saying some really stupid things bro.
"youll be lucky if you get 5 oz total out of your four plants"
"A POUND!!!!! Must be growing outdoors no way your getting that indoor."
The picture you posted up is a close up, the one I posted up is from like 5 feet away, there is no way to see the details, you are just simply guessing that its not high quality, that grow was with g13, no offence either, but it looked way more quality than your bud, your nugs are frosty, but tiny little baby buds(you sure u didnt use CFLs), the others are way frostier and donkey dicked sized.
I posted a picture to show you pounds can be grown indoors, i am not going to waste my time to keep proving you wrong. You have already demonstrated to me you have no clue what you are talking about, Keep on dooing what you are doing. You sir are a master grower.
I have grown OGkush before, and other lower yielding strains, you should be able to hit a pound easily indoors with it when using sufficient light, its not a big yielder like big bud or blue dream, but yes a pound is VERY VERY doable.
Madsativa is right, a pound is doable in almost any strain, if you know what you are doing. which you obviously don't.
And If you don't know what you are doing you can have 10,000 watts and end up with 3 ounces.
In staying with the subject of this thread there are meds available right now from Sacred Garden. They have Vanilla Kush, White Russian, Lemon Sour Diesel and Big Bud.
How about a little less pointing out what this member did wrong or said wrong and instead offer some constructive advise on how to improve?Quote:
Originally Posted by DemingNonProfit
If you have a great set of skills and knowledge, share them, rather then your criticism.
How about a little less pointing out what this member did wrong or said wrong and instead offer some constructive advise on how to improve?Quote:
Originally Posted by DemingNonProfit
If you have a great set of skills and knowledge, share them, rather then your criticism.
All this arguing makes me want to move to a different website.
yah man, arguing is for the birds.
Im only here to help people, no arguments from me here on out!:thumbsup: