Where have all the vendors gone? It's been awfully quiet around here lately.
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Where have all the vendors gone? It's been awfully quiet around here lately.
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Originally Posted by TheReleafCenter
Why does this seem to be another dig on caregivers? It's probably because you're calling them vendors. :spamsign:
I thought it was illegal now for vendors [caregivers with excess] to sell to the MMCs now.
They must be in the city parks selling off the leftovers to school kids for their milk money now. I'm pretty sure that they aren't throwing it away :)
Another MMC showing it's true colors, how surprising. You're truely an ASSet to the community. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by SoCoMMJ
And the caregivers are the ones sellin to the kids? give me a break, now go ahead and sell some weed to an 18yr old with 10 of his highschool buddies in you're parking lot. Dispensaries have been known to sell to kids, not caregivers. :rastasmoke:
i'm hoping that was sarcasm.
lot's of them, is maken' hash of grade a buds.
looks to me like it was a haha i will say im on your side but i'll stab ya in the back low blow to me....Quote:
Originally Posted by SoCoMMJ
You have a hard time recognizing sarcasm ?Quote:
Originally Posted by TurboALLWD
I'm pretty sure nobody is selling to kids for their milk money. But hey, if you think they might be, maybe you should drop a dime. I'll even loan you the dime if you think it's me.
Think about where you are at before you start slinging unfounded accusations. If you actually knew my true colors I think that you would have a different opinion. I too was a caregiver before the onslaught of HB10-1284.
Instead of dumping patients to the street, we stepped up to continue providing them service. So far we've cleared almost negative 100 grand to do so. lol We might make that back by next year if they don't pass a local dispensary ban, or get raided again, or get ripped off, or get robbed, or suffer a plague etc etc.... Risky business eh??
Oh, and you were bitching in one of your prior rants that the evil money grubbing, patient raping dispensaries can't touch your $225 an ounce bargain basement super caregiver meds ? You would be wrong. All day every day our meds are less than that. Well, I guess we do charge sales tax on top of that though... We don't advertise or even have a sign, and have a long waiting list. We can't be as evil as you think.
But hey, it's the internets... It is what it is. Anybody can be the best dispensary or caregiver in the world when hidden behind a router.
Peace
I realized you were trying to play it off as sarcasm, and yeah I've noticed you knockin the little caregivers before but who cares, we all know most disp's are against caregivers. Hope that business decision works out and you become mighty rich, but you're seriously going to play it off as helpin the patients? Come on now, I sense the sarcasm there. :D
Tell me what you REALLY think, lol :D You can't touch the $8/g, $28/8th, and $225 an oz on real quality meds. Call it whatever you want, I'd love for you to prove me wrong with that shitty wharehouse weed you grow, isn't that what everyone calls it these days?Quote:
bargain basement super caregiver meds
Yeah, you are right. All I grow is shitty warehouse weed. LoL How did we know that one was coming ? [Sarcasm in case you needed help there]Quote:
Originally Posted by TurboALLWD
And oh yeah, we give ALL of our patients a free 1/4 of this "warehouse shit" every single month. We have some patients that we give much much more than that for FREE.
So lets see, last year we GAVE AWAY $25k in Meds to our patients... how evil are we ? This year will be significantly more than that.
I don't knock the little caregivers... I have several that I help out with their grows. I do tend to knock arrogant caregivers that think only they can provide good service.
I think you can shut up now on your evil dispensary rant.
BTW, if it is really costing you $225 an OZ to grow this, you are not doing it right ;)
The latest run, S.A.G.E... I know, I know, it's shitty, but it's all I can do in a warehouse.
are you saying every oz in you center is 225 each?Quote:
Originally Posted by SoCoMMJ
It's sad to see where we've ended up on all of this. There are certainly pros and cons to both scenarios.(dispensary/caregivership)
But the bottom line to me is that as of now the dispensaries are the model at hand and as a result, they are THE entities that are being watched, both by the State and FED, and by the general public. Such is why, even though a form of sarcasm may have been there, comments about selling to kids and shit EVEN ON A POT BOARD are totally DAMAGING to this entire scene. You folks who have "stepped up" now hold this entire program's future in your hands and IMO, it's about time you started policing not only your own behaviors but also those of your peers. If you don't, I guarantee the voting public WILL.
blackhash
No, I was saying that every ounce in the center is LESS than the $225 Turbo said that no MMC could touch.Quote:
Originally Posted by dixierebel
On occasion we have low yielding strains for $225, but for the most part everything we grow is $200. Of course we need to charge tax on sales too.
There have been threads on here before talking about vendors. Like:Quote:
Originally Posted by TurboALLWD
http://boards.cannabis.com/colorado-...g-vendors.html
http://boards.cannabis.com/colorado-...le-vendor.html
http://boards.cannabis.com/colorado-...e-vendors.html
I was just wondering if the perception was you can no longer vend meds.
I'm still going to speak at the public hearing, but honestly, sometimes I wonder why. Another one of your tirades against one of my posts for no reason other than we're an MMC.
really folks, we need to stop this jibber jabbering at each other. it's counterproductive to perpetuate this caregivers vs. MMC bs. Because of the laws it is what it is for the time being. As a caregiver myself, while i despise what has happened because of the new regulations, i'm still grateful that we have a state that is dealing with MJ at all! It wasn't all that long ago that we were all underground trying to stay away from LEO and knowing that at any moment it could all come crashing down along with the front door! We're closer than we have ever been to having this all legal once and for all. Lets work towards that goal and be advocates for change and allies under the green umbrella!:thumbsup:
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Originally Posted by boulderbud5525
Good old fashion divide and conquer.
Aren't you in the springs?Quote:
Originally Posted by SoCoMMJ
Sounds like you are running out of meds? 70/30 rule becoming a wee bit of a problem? Anyway, do you have legal means to deal with vendors?Quote:
Originally Posted by TheReleafCenter
70/30 isn't the issue, it's patients coming on faster than the garden can catch up. We've been having to slow down the incoming patients so we don't run out. The 5 patient cap put a lot of people out of a caregiver, + many dispensaries closed up on 8/1.Quote:
Originally Posted by colagal
We only sell what we can grow. I want to know what's in the product we're selling to patients. Besides, I'm not so sure that anybody has legal means to deal with vendors at this point. I don't want to be the test case :)
I agree. We just all do what we do.Quote:
Originally Posted by boulderbud5525
In the end, it's really not about the caregivers or MMCs or which model is better. I've been on both sides of that coin and they are both about the patients and the plants...or should be anyways.
yes. Now though, as Centers are where the money flows - they have an extra responsibility to speak up for patients and non-profit caretakers.
Releaf- be sure and go speak at that hearing, it will not go unnoticed in the community.
It's not the 70/30, it's everyone closing their doors. Tons of new patients, just trying to keep the variety up.Quote:
Originally Posted by colagal
As far as we've been advised, it's legal to accept vendors until August 31st.
And, once again, I have NO problem with caregivers... they've helped us out and I'd like to be able to help anyone out thinking they're stuck with overage because they can't vend.
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Originally Posted by SoCoMMJ
So, if you have to turn down patients to keep within your license requirements/grow limitations, are you recommending caregivers for those who do not state your center as their provider?Quote:
It's not the 70/30, it's everyone closing their doors. Tons of new patients, just trying to keep the variety up.
As far as we've been advised, it's legal to accept vendors until August 31st.
And, once again, I have NO problem with caregivers... they've helped us out and I'd like to be able to help anyone out thinking they're stuck with overage because they can't vend.
I imagine most centers will not be able to boast of a variety of flavors unless centers trade flavors amongst themselves....but not the good ones, eh?
Also, is it possible for caregivers to meet their patients at your center, i.e., a neutral place (private room) out of site of the public rather than a parking lot, etc. if the patient is uncomfortable having their caregiver come to their home?
what range are you offering for vendors?
Patients are free to shop at any MMC that they want without making a designation of primary center. If they want to buy from us they have to wait a bit until we can take them on. We are only selling to our patients that have made the MMC designation until the garden catches up with demand.Quote:
Originally Posted by colagal
Soon we will catch up with demand. Then we'll be able to sell to patients regardless of their MMC designation status.
Hmmmm.... Hadn't really considered providing a meeting place for caregivers to deliver to their patients. Sounds like a good way to help out, but I wonder how the DOR will be with it regarding moving inventory in and out of the MMC ? I may have to ponder that one. I think there may be some other legal exposures to consider there as well.
sounds like hb1284 is working wonders for the "centers"now.i can see how you can drop the prices to around 200 per being that you get to now"legally"take everyones patients.sure you can say i did'nt want it this way honest i did'nt.lmao i wish i could get the gov to regulate any biz i owned so that all customers HAD to come my way too...Quote:
Originally Posted by SoCoMMJ
yea like the "caregiver to caregiver"rule? as in no caregiver can link up with other caregivers.Quote:
Originally Posted by SoCoMMJ
your right they did help out in a big way...by staying quite while the rug was being pulled out from under them.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheReleafCenter
I don't really believe that HB10-1284 is working wonders for anybody. Not for centers, not for caregivers, and not for patients. Our wonderful legislators dumped this same mess on everybody in the industry. Yes the industry needed some regulation, but not this mess.Quote:
Originally Posted by dixierebel
Somehow you twisted a good thing of selling to our patients at wholesale prices into a strange perversion of stealing patients from you. I look at it more as, why would I sell to my own patients at a higher price than I would sell to another dispensary for?
But I guess maybe I should change that and charge more ??? Or maybe not be in business so patients can pay more where the MMC has to pay growers wholesale before they mark it up? Not sure what you are looking for here.
We are well aware that 1284 sucks, but we're past that and dealing with it.
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Originally Posted by SoCoMMJ
I understand patients can buy from any center, but won't y'all have the same periodic supply/demand problem? For example, if your license says 300 patients who have designated your center as their provider, and you have, say, 1000 total customers, won't there always be a potential supply deficit? And that is assuming no problems with the grow. Also, since other centers will no doubt be in the same boat, no one will have anything extra to offer within that 30% range to make up the shortfall. So, unless centers decide to pay the larger license fees to have more grow potential, it seems that, at least for the next year, there will be a shortfall....to be made up...where? How long will these patients wait for their meds if the centers are temporarily out? Where will they go? It looks like centers will probably not suggest caregivers (former vendors) since that may not be in their best interests, plus it may be that most patients prefer to buy from centers than from caregivers?
I imagine that when it comes to audit time, the inspectors will check very closely to see that what you grow and what you sell matches. Even if your patients don't use their allotted 2 oz., the extra may not cover all your other customer needs, and again a shortage problem. That's my guess: there will be a shortage at most centers this next year. And, if so, that may translate into higher prices?
I would assume some of the Centers are positioning themselves to be wholesalers to other Centers, more than being dispensaries themselves.
I could be wrong, but I assume some volume players will emerge soon enough.
Yeah, i think there will be plenty of meds available. There are some 100 light grows going in down here. The patients will always have numerous MMCs to buy from. The MMCs should have plenty of options to buy an additional 30%.
There are well over 100 dispensaries here in Co Springs that paid the city app fees. Not sure how many of those ran the state application and stayed on after 8/1 though.
I believe that prices will come down once things settle in. Part of the reason for the high prices relates to contracted grower prices. If the dispensary pays +/- 200oz to the grower, the price goes up to retail from there.
As contracts get renegotiated, the prices will come down. But still there is the wholesale grower to dispensary price prior to retail mark up.
They are here and have grow spaces of over 50,000 sqft. And those are just the ones I know about. I spoke to one guy in Rino that said he was aligning with dispensaries and he had 150,000 sqft of space.Quote:
Originally Posted by copobo
There will be plenty of supply.
I think that many dispensaries are going to be a lot busier than they anticipated in the next few months. A 100 light set up will do a little more than a pound per day. There are MMCs selling 5lbs/day, currently.
I think a lot of centers will have a hard time with the 70% piece as patient numbers continue to increase and the number of centers remains static. It takes a huge operation to produce the numbers needed. Huge.
It will be interesting to see how it shakes out.
putting this thread back on track. I ask the above again.Quote:
Originally Posted by canaguy27
I bet that will be exquisite smoke (LOL)Quote:
Originally Posted by canaguy27
I wonder what the preventative regimen is in a grow that big.
serious chems!
Yep, it would take months just to discover you had mites, nothing a few gallons of Avid wouldnt fix though.Quote:
Originally Posted by copobo
that's what I'm saying. You could NEVER let it happen! you'd be down the shitter just on electricity bills. Out months of production - from ONE pm or mite infection! The only way to deal will be with preventative measures. employee shower-in. clean room standards. I doubt anyone is up to speed on this. perhaps a couple cali/bc implants. then again, there are some people that know their shit around here,
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Originally Posted by copobo
Yep, step one:
NO freaking cuts, clones, or plants brought in from outside of the center.
Everything I see lately has either mites, pm, or the latest fun, Gnats. Thank god they weren't RA. And this stuff comes from "professionals". WTF ?
I have been to a bunch of huge warehouses in the last 2 months yes there will be plenty of supply but the quality won't be where it was I spoke to a dispensery grower who is spending under 10 bucks an ounce indoor that's including rent electric mutes etc! I think that the quality of growers is better here then in Cali but it is nowhere near where it needs to be....can you grow aaa bud in a warehouse? Yes but it takes alot of work to do it rightQuote:
Originally Posted by canaguy27
btw Soco weed is bomb and cheap as hell!! I think that in the next year everyone will see prices go down as dispensery owners are going to start hacking away at prices to grab a bigger slice of the pie yes 1284 hurt alot of caregivers I for one had to shut down a barn that I had sunk over 50k into but you have to adapt to stay alive in this business
We haven't reached that point, but when we do, that's a possibility. Most of the caregivers we work with have maxed out, however. Trading might be more difficult than anyone thought, we're hearing whispers about how insanely regulated wholesaling may become.Quote:
Originally Posted by colagal
We can't allow distribution in our center unless it's by our center, but that is a great idea.
Up to 1000/4k for the right meds.Quote:
what range are you offering for vendors?
I've said time and time again it's unfortunate that caregivers couldn't unite and find a unified voice. We will be speaking up for them at the city council meeting.Quote:
your right they did help out in a big way...by staying quite while the rug was being pulled out from under them.
I think too many centers are banking on that. Also, if you're running a huge warehouse and supply is so high because so few centers are any good at growing, wouldn't you pick and choose which other centers you wholesale to?Quote:
I would assume some of the Centers are positioning themselves to be wholesalers to other Centers, more than being dispensaries themselves.
For example, say The Releaf Center had a massive crop failure. We may have a lot of crop, but not much of it is usable. Why would another shop want to keep us in business? Or why wouldn't they price gouge?