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Where does this sense of entitlement come from?
I was just reading about how one of the dispensaries in WA who will have a booth at hempfest, is demanding that they be able to drive around their own "RV" with an internal combustion engine around hempfest.
They want to do this so they can, rofl, shuttle people to their booth who are members of their dispensary claiming that they are legally entitled under the, again ROFL, ADA.
on what planet would it be appropriate that they be the only non emergency internal combustion engine vehicle driving around in a crowd of 100,000+ just so they can shuttle people to their booth?
Seriously, where does this sense of, "gimme gimme gimme" come from?
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Where does this sense of entitlement come from?
Quit picking on Steve.lol
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Where does this sense of entitlement come from?
Obviously you have no clue of what steve is doing here do you? rolmao :thumbsup:
Steve don't want any gimme gimme gimme...steve is fighting the mmj seattle mafia so to speak and doing a great job at it...:cool:
This ain't steves 1st mmj advocate/political move rodeo..nor his last by far..the media will surely be covering the wa. mmj poster boy in full...rest assured of that...let's also not forget "D.PAUL STANFORD" is the hempfest's "SOLE" FINACIAL BACKER! When thcf put's on the portland fest, there is "electric" carts running all day and night back and forth in many areas transporting not only the "disabled" but, everyone and anyone who wants a ride.
So this ain't about no "combustion engine" but, is a great tool to make the clear point I would imagine from steve...since steve did work at thcf once upon a time and am sure he and paul don't get along...
This is gonna be good...hope he wins and they mark out clear people-less ave. for "electric" carts only...wouldn't take much to do either. paul knows how.:D
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Where does this sense of entitlement come from?
Electric scooters are what the hempfest people want and use out there.
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Where does this sense of entitlement come from?
Paul Stanford the sole sponser of hempfest rented these here: OBX Beach Buggies - Street-Legal Electric Golf Cart Rentals
The white ones are the same style he had in portland 2009 fest..i rode in one;)
The dang things went full speed down the trails zig-zagging around people and even made people move out the way that was on the trails thru the park..they even had parts which was specifically designated for the carts and not people..am sure a park the size of seattle's can handle specific cart lanes only with crosswalks for the non-disabled.
Let remember also that hempfest was not designed for the disabled nor is their business plan designed for it either...regardless of what they claim. 17 yrs ago, medical marijuana didn't exist...but, the push to "legalize" and spread the word world wide...in otherwords "POLITICALLY" motivated...and still is to this day.!!
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Where does this sense of entitlement come from?
I imagine given the large number of people that attend hempfest, they'd prefer the personal scooter model to the mutli person gold cart, even if electric.
but maybe im wrong.
the best way would be to contact hempfest with lots of lead time and get their input on what sort of help they are most open to.
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Where does this sense of entitlement come from?
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Originally Posted by justpics
I imagine given the large number of people that attend hempfest, they'd prefer the personal scooter model to the mutli person gold cart, even if electric.
but maybe im wrong.
the best way would be to contact hempfest with lots of lead time and get their input on what sort of help they are most open to.
Was last year enough lead time?? If not, care to set a date on the lead time..for common sense.:wtf:
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Where does this sense of entitlement come from?
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Originally Posted by jamessr
Was last year enough lead time?? If not, care to set a date on the lead time..for common sense.
we're a week from hempfest not a year, and the vehicle the dispensary wants to bring is not a single occupancy electric scooter.
but other than that!
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Where does this sense of entitlement come from?
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Originally Posted by justpics
we're a week from hempfest not a year, and the vehicle the dispensary wants to bring is not a single occupancy electric scooter.
but other than that!
Guess steve is making a point that he posed the question last year..and got back-burned this year again...my concern with the vehicle would be gas-combustion engine exhaust in the crowds...other than that, i guess they push the wrong button maybe??:D
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Where does this sense of entitlement come from?
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Originally Posted by jamessr
Guess steve is making a point that he posed the question last year..and got back-burned this year again...my concern with the vehicle would be gas-combustion engine exhaust in the crowds...other than that, i guess they push the wrong button maybe??:D
well posing the question is far from following the proper channels of the event organizers.
The people who throw hempfest have hundreds of thousands of people to deal with, if every person was allowed to bring in whatever equipment they wanted the event would be a disaster.
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Where does this sense of entitlement come from?
From what I've seen there just isn't room for the carts. Its such a mass of people there's no room on the walkways. I think its a good thought, but at this point not realistic.
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Where does this sense of entitlement come from?
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Originally Posted by justpics
well posing the question is far from following the proper channels of the event organizers.
The people who throw hempfest have hundreds of thousands of people to deal with, if every person was allowed to bring in whatever equipment they wanted the event would be a disaster.
So let me clarify then, he followed the channel to the organizer ceo john last year about these, so "complexed" issues that are now on the forefront again, only this year steve is not going to disallow us disabled by taking it on the chin again.
I agree with steve as far as his legal ada claims, the combustible engine vehicle i am sure is the tool into that arena...
I also believe in all honesty that if done right, they can make a section in that park in which electric transo carts as i posted can be utilized with care..i have seen it with my own eyes...remember also this is not a paid for "public" event such as safeco field and the like which requires a fee for entry.
I am also sure this issue has been kicked around enough with the organizer ceo,city of seattle, that we are the last to hear about it...par for the coarse.
Had someone done their "duty" for all inclusive instead of the 1-6 shut down(because hempfest organizers have "combustible engine vehicles, not electric".
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Where does this sense of entitlement come from?
I think it really is time for hempfest to look for a new venue. Its just getting too big for the park. Where I don't know.
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Where does this sense of entitlement come from?
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Originally Posted by killerweed420
I think it really is time for hempfest to look for a new venue. Its just getting too big for the park. Where I don't know.
Well if hempfest would be needed after 2011 jan. legislative session..due to fact it's only real function is about to end..i.e. legalizing cannabis use in wa..
We have no more need for their humble services..;)
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Where does this sense of entitlement come from?
ADA doesn't cover bringing your own vehicle anywhere you want, even rallies like hempfest. Nor does the ADA require hempfest to provide things like scooters, though I think it is a good idea for them to do it.
Things like scooters, wheel chairs etc are personal items.
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Where does this sense of entitlement come from?
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Originally Posted by justpics
ADA doesn't cover bringing your own vehicle anywhere you want, even rallies like hempfest. Nor does the ADA require hempfest to provide things like scooters, though I think it is a good idea for them to do it.
Things like scooters, wheel chairs etc are personal items.
golf carts like the one i posted and the exact same ones the sole sponger used at portland fest are not "personal" items as you think your referring to..they are "public" accommodation items. you should read the caselaw behind it, instead of listening to jargon from hempfest know it alls..they never researched it in the "Public accomodation" free speech section but, employment and paid entry establishments only...i follow along very closely with the caselaw on these types of legal quandaries.
I myself have filed ada claims before..so am familiar with it's civil action-ability...
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Where does this sense of entitlement come from?
hempfest is not required to provide golf carts to disabled attendees under the ADA.
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Where does this sense of entitlement come from?
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Originally Posted by jamessr
Well if hempfest would be needed after 2011 jan. legislative session..due to fact it's only real function is about to end..i.e. legalizing cannabis use in wa..
We have no more need for their humble services..;)
We still need to get hemp legalized nationwide. Amazing that we're getting cannabis legalized but a completely benign plant like hemp is still considered dangerous.lol
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Where does this sense of entitlement come from?
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Originally Posted by killerweed420
We still need to get hemp legalized nationwide. Amazing that we're getting cannabis legalized but a completely benign plant like hemp is still considered dangerous.lol
Don't know if you know this or not but, Cannabis .L Sativa is both hemp/marijuana as defined under both state & federal..once marijuana get's legalized, hemp automatically becomes legal because they are classified the same..regardless of thc content..
Hempfest even said this may be the last yr...their excuse was money, the real reason is who is going to go to a fest to legalize something already legal in the state it promotes from..not logical at all from a financial stand point..and hempfest is all about the dough..don't full yourself thinking the worlds # 1 "cash" crop isn't all about the dough...
Hempfest will move to another state or be non-existent..only 2 options.
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Where does this sense of entitlement come from?
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Originally Posted by justpics
hempfest is not required to provide golf carts to disabled attendees under the ADA.
Got any ammo in that knife of yours?? i.e. any caselaw to show this is true??;) I know i do,have some which says they do... and if i do..you can bet steve and his band of ada lawyers do..much more than i have access to...:D
Hope this don't turn into threads like before in which you find the need to have me prove my ass...cause this stuff is really, really long and complexed law..not sure anyone wants that..right?:D we would get this:mad::mad::mad:, not this:cool:
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Where does this sense of entitlement come from?
The Ada does not force henpfest to provide personal mobility items to the disabled. Their obligation encompasses making the use of those personal mobility items usable.
You can babble about caselaw all you want, those are the rules and that's what's going to play out here.
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Where does this sense of entitlement come from?
The fact of the matter is that Hempfest is ACCESSIBLE under the definition the ADA sets. Accessibility is defined as meetin certain criteria, the main one being that there must be an "accessible route" defined as;
Accessible Route.
A continuous unobstructed path connecting all accessible elements and spaces of a building or facility. Interior accessible routes may include corridors, floors, ramps, elevators, lifts, and clear floor space at fixtures. Exterior accessible routes may include parking access aisles, curb ramps, crosswalks at vehicular ways, walks, ramps, and lifts.
Accessible routes are not routes with golf carts.
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Where does this sense of entitlement come from?
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Originally Posted by justpics
The fact of the matter is that Hempfest is ACCESSIBLE under the definition the ADA sets. Accessibility is defined as meetin certain criteria, the main one being that there must be an "accessible route" defined as;
Accessible Route.
A continuous unobstructed path connecting all accessible elements and spaces of a building or facility. Interior accessible routes may include corridors, floors, ramps, elevators, lifts, and clear floor space at fixtures. Exterior accessible routes may include parking access aisles, curb ramps, crosswalks at vehicular ways, walks, ramps, and lifts.
Accessible routes are not routes with golf carts.
Notice your accessible route quotation speaks of buildings and facility's..i.e. interior..not in a public debate outdoors event. a park! and private property not public.
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Where does this sense of entitlement come from?
Feel free to quote the part of the ADA which would draw a distinction between what constitutes accessibility at a "facility", to include "roads or any property at a site", and whatever you wanna call hempfest.
Please show me where accessibility would include what you're claiming, I'd love to read it.
