Californiaâ??s Prop 19: A Word-for-Word Analysis

Californiaâ??s Prop 19: A Word-for-Word Analysis

July 19th, 2010 By: Russ Belville,
NORML Outreach Coordinator

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Iâ??ve spent the weekend reading various blogs that have sprouted up in opposition to Proposition 19, Californiaâ??s effort to legalize marijuana this November. These â??Stoners Against Legalizationâ?� blogs confound me; they remind me of Sam Kinisonâ??s line comparing â??Rock Against Drugsâ?� to â??Christians Against Christâ?�.

Some of these blogs are based on the notion that legalization would be worse than â??what we have nowâ?�. The assumption there is that if you smoke marijuana in California, you must already have your Prop 215 recommendation from a doctor, and youâ??d be losing your rights under Prop 19.

Most marijuana smokers, believe it or not, are healthy and arenâ??t comfortable spending money for a doctor to give them permission to use cannabis. Currently we face a ticket, fine, and misdemeanor drug conviction record for possession an ounce or less of cannabis. That record prevents us from getting student aid and can cost us our jobs, child custody, and housing, or if weâ??re on probation, our freedom. (Even if California succeeds at downgrading possession to an infraction from a misdemeanor, a $100 ticket is a lot of money to some people!) We face a felony charge if we grow even one plant at home. For us, Prop 19 is much better than â??what we have nowâ?�.

Another thing that appears in some of these blogs is outright misinformation, such as talk of a $50/ounce state tax (itâ??s not in the initiative; that was Ammianoâ??s bill) or that it would supersede Prop 215 (it wouldnâ??t, and Prop 19 even references Prop 215 in its language, so it couldnâ??t). Others play up the â??millionairesâ?�, â??big corporationsâ?�, and â??monopoliesâ?� that would be created and the earnest Emerald Triangle family growers whoâ??d be put out of business (which amuses me: Prop 19 allows localities to regulate sales, so why wouldnâ??t Humboldt, Trinity, and Mendocino county residents whose economy depends on pot sales lobby really hard to get legalized pot sales OKâ??d in those counties and cities within, and regulated in a way that protects the small grower?)

Two notable sticking points have to do with minors below 21: Prop 19 creates a new crime in being an adult over 21 who gives marijuana to adults aged 18-20 and Prop 19 forbids adults over 21 from smoking where minors are present. Prop 19â??s penalties in the first situation mirror the penalties for giving alcohol to 18-20-year-olds; but, yes, it is disturbing to create a new statute that calls for jail time over marijuana. Itâ??s also questionable whether an adult should be punished for smoking pot if their child can see them â?? we donâ??t even require that of alcohol and tobacco.

But are these reason enough to continue ruining the lives of people 21 and older? Besides, if youâ??re over 21 smoking with some 18-year-olds or in front of some minors, and youâ??re doing it inside your home, who is to know? And if youâ??re 18-20, wouldnâ??t you love being legal in 1 to 3 years?

Because the biggest thing Prop 19 does, the forest that these blogs are missing for the trees, is LEGALIZE ADULT MARIJUANA CULTIVATION AND POSSESSION.

Even under Prop 215, the adult cannabis consumer is guilty of being a criminal unless proven innocent as a patient. When Prop 19 passes, the adult cannabis consumer is considered innocent until proven guilty. It is a complete game changer for law enforcement, because:

â?¢the smell of marijuana on your person is no longer probable cause to search you;

â?¢that joint in your pocket means nothing;

â?¢the seizure of stems, leaves, and seeds from your trash is irrelevant;

â?¢a couple of baggies with weed residue in them are just garbage;

â?¢the sight of that bong on your table visible through the kitchen window isnâ??t a â??welcomeâ?� mat for a police search;

â?¢your utility bills raising a bit for water and lights donâ??t matter;

â?¢your neighbors smelling skunky plants is just a nuisance, not the source for an â??anonymous tipâ?�;

â?¢receipts for lights, soil, fertilizer, ballasts, trimmers, and stuff are meaningless;

â?¢infrared signatures of your home arenâ??t evidence of anything;

â?¢marijuana sniffing K-9 units are out of a job; and

â?¢pre-employment drug testing programs become harder for businesses to maintain for cannabis.

Basically, one of the simplest tools law enforcement has for harassing cannabis consumers â?? the sight and smell of cannabis and paraphernalia â?? is no longer in the tool belt. As long as youâ??re an adult, keep your grow in a 5′x5′ area, donâ??t smoke in front of kids, and donâ??t leave the house with over an ounce, you are free from police harassment.

And even if you donâ??t follow the law perfectly, whoâ??s to know? :rastasmoke: If youâ??re pulled over and thereâ??s an ounce and a half in your backpack, how does that cop know? Does it â??smell heavyâ?� in your car? So long as you refuse a search, how will he know? The smell of pot isnâ??t cause for a search; youâ??re allowed to have an ounce of it.

If you have a 10′x10′ garden, whoâ??s to know? Is the electric bill that much higher? Does the garden smell more (probably not at all if you build a good grow room)? Plus donâ??t forget that youâ??re allowed to have more than one ounce, namely, any amount that you grow within your 5′x5′ garden, at the location of the garden. I think by the time law enforcement came back with a warrant to investigate how big my garden is, three-fourths of it would be cut down and I would suddenly have my 5′x5′ garden and my hanging plants from the last 5′x5′ area I harvested.

Suppose there is four pounds of marijuana at my house. Why, officer, thatâ??s the results from my last legal 5′x5′ personal garden harvest. What, you donâ??t see any 5′x5′ growing space? Well, I used to grow, but I took down my garden and sold my equipment after my last harvest. Why, yes, they were some pretty big plants. No, I didnâ??t take any pictures, because what I was doing was perfectly legal. (Prop 19 also has a nice affirmative defense to claim the marijuana in your home was for your personal use. These blogs never seem to notice that.)

So on The NORML Stash Blog Iâ??ve decided to write a word-for-word analysis of Prop 19, mainly because it seems like many of the people against it have never read it. Standard disclaimer: I am no lawyerâ?¦ hell, Iâ??m not even a college graduate. Click here to read my Word-for-Word Analysis of Prop 19.

Californiaâ??s Prop 19: A Word-for-Word Analysis | NORML Blog, Marijuana Law Reform

another point is any firearm you may have at your LEGAL grow site is nothing more than your constitutionally guaranteed right to protect yourself and can no longer become additional felony charges that will add years to your sentence. :thumbsup: that would be a bonus, too.

I've seen this other places, its a good read...

If you're not a lawyer and not a college grad, you have no business making any kind of word for word analysis of Prop 19. Only someone truly versed in the law is qualified to do so. Your position at NORML doesn't impress me, and I find you to be a fool!

Calm down now... I generally don't deal with negativity like that. I'm always down for a conversation but that tones looking for an argument. I'm good on that....

Keep it Ez....

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Originally Posted by Claude9

Calm down now... ....

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:D no shit.

Wooord. ^^^

You would think people would be chill on a weed board... guess its time to re-up... lol...

J/K...

It seems obvious that greedy corporations, rich growers, etc., would try to take advantage of a legalized market. What can you do?

Who's taking advantage of the current illegal market? Drug cartels? Gray-area medical growers? Plain old folks just trying to make a buck?

The prop won't be perfect, and will have to be considered by local communities, but a fair process will result in at least a few cities that recognize the benefits of legalization, and work to make it profitable.

Another aspect is tourism. $80-something billion last year in Cali. It was 90-something billion a year before. How many college students would rather go to spring break where they don't have to worry about getting busted for weed any more than getting busted for alcohol? People vacation in Amsterdam just so they can toke up without worrying. How many more will come here?

Think about N. Cal wine-and-weed tours! The skiers, surfers, and visitors to Disneyland who can chill at the end of the day with a few tokes and not worry about getting busted and all those hassles.

Yes, there will no doubt be giant, greedy corporations trying all kinds of tricks to control the new market. We can regulate that. There will be more laws coming down the road. This is just the first step.

i know it is difficult to VISULIZE THIS BUT TRY TO THINK OF BOOZE AND HOW IT IS REGULATED AND sold.This will be the same type of drug.And you can't drive stoned just like you can't drive drunk.You can't give pot to a minor and minors can't buy it.You can't stand on the street and smoke pot just like its against the law to drink on the street:hippy:
There will be big and small size growers and there will so much pot it's gunna be fun

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...There will be big and small size growers and there will so much pot it's gunna be fun

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:D yeah, I agree with mikey and willy you have to free yourself from your own pre-prop 19 mind set and visualize what could be. :smokin:

i am one of said touristo's who will, without a doubt, be road tripping in a few weeks to join my brothers and sisters in California for the victory fiestas. :rasta: weed tourism could be f'n huge in Oaksterdam if this prop passes and the new Governor doesn't f with them and Barry stays cool.

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Originally Posted by boaz

Californiaâ??s Prop 19: A Word-for-Word Analysis

July 19th, 2010 By: Russ Belville,
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Two notable sticking points have to do with minors below 21: Prop 19 creates a new crime in being an adult over 21 who gives marijuana to adults aged 18-20 and Prop 19 forbids adults over 21 from smoking where minors are present. Prop 19â??s penalties in the first situation mirror the penalties for giving alcohol to 18-20-year-olds; but, yes, it is disturbing to create a new statute that calls for jail time over marijuana. Itâ??s also questionable whether an adult should be punished for smoking pot if their child can see them â?? we donâ??t even require that of alcohol and tobacco.
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point of info, I think that section about "Prop 19 forbids adults over 21 from smoking where minors are present." is not correct. Prop 19 says that any law that ALREADY EXISTS on the books right now about smoking in front of a minor would not be nullified by Prop 19. I checked the current codes and I didn't find any current State laws about smoking in front of a minor. It may be a reference to local county and city statutes, but nothing new just saying whatever exists now will still be there Nov. 3rd regarding that. So, I think that part amounts to nothing.

I would challenge anyone to prove me wrong in the actual law. I have it all posted on here somewhere.

The only actual new law prop 19 creates is it would become illegal to give herb to anyone under 21, just like alcohol laws are now. (unless for its for medical reasons under a doctor's rec which I believe has no pre defined age limits)

^ actually, if you think about it, it is already illegal to give herb to anyone under 21 because its already illegal to give herb to ANYONE right now. So that is not a new law either. NO NEW LAWS AT ALL. just saying current laws about minors will not be nullified by a Yes vote, thats all. How could anyone vote no on this???

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It seems obvious that greedy corporations, rich growers, etc., would try to take advantage of a legalized market. What can you do?

Who's taking advantage of the current illegal market? Drug cartels? Gray-area medical growers? Plain old folks just trying to make a buck?

The prop won't be perfect, and will have to be considered by local communities, but a fair process will result in at least a few cities that recognize the benefits of legalization, and work to make it profitable.

Another aspect is tourism. $80-something billion last year in Cali. It was 90-something billion a year before. How many college students would rather go to spring break where they don't have to worry about getting busted for weed any more than getting busted for alcohol? People vacation in Amsterdam just so they can toke up without worrying. How many more will come here?

Think about N. Cal wine-and-weed tours! The skiers, surfers, and visitors to Disneyland who can chill at the end of the day with a few tokes and not worry about getting busted and all those hassles.

Yes, there will no doubt be giant, greedy corporations trying all kinds of tricks to control the new market. We can regulate that. There will be more laws coming down the road. This is just the first step.

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:greenthumb: true. we will continue to regulate greedy corps the same way we do now. a tuff slog, no doubt, but that will continue long after prop 19's vote either way it turns out. :twocents:

vote yes for herb tourism and prepare to the flood of tourist. $$$ :rastasmoke:

This could be good :jointsmile:

I hear that it is close. Like 49% pro and 51% con.

I hope to god some of these lethargic stoners get out and vote this time around.

^ here is the latest intrade chart. looking better all the time, about 50/50 right now. some polls are still showing 10% undecided. they will decide the vote.

Yes.on.19.Nov

The voters of California did 14 years ago I am confident they can do it again. :)

well i here that the tables have turned and we are ahead in the polls now...watch the news:stoned:
as far as tax money helping the state of califonia..lol...they never will have enough money

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Originally Posted by WillieD

I hear that it is close. Like 49% pro and 51% con.

I hope to god some of these lethargic stoners get out and vote this time around.

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they will vote and perhaps i predict the election could be significant turnout dont sweat on hoping

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Originally Posted by bluesteve

If you're not a lawyer and not a college grad, you have no business making any kind of word for word analysis of Prop 19. Only someone truly versed in the law is qualified to do so. Your position at NORML doesn't impress me, and I find you to be a fool!

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Agreed What this guy seems not to realize is you also WONT be able to smaoke outside your home, this to me is more offending than anything else. Your not upset about that? Its like the state LOVES making money off you but is ashamed you do it, so shhhh only do it inside. Thats bs treat this for what it truely is. Medication, there is no such thing as a "recreational" smoker. Even if you think you don't have anything medically wrong with you.Well do you smoke because it helps with stress? You still smoke medically, for Mental Stress. So according to prop 19 , shouldn't people only be able to pop asprin in their homes? Can't take Cough syrup in public, ull get thrown in jail! Thats how they are treating Marijuana , but guess you didnt think of that right? If you dont want to pay $45-$50 dollars to smoke legaly , maybe you shouldn't do it. I'd rather not be confined to smoking only in my house, I like blazing and going surfing, it helps me calm down. And guess what I'm not ashamed nor do I get fines or jailed. I have even been cuffed, 10 min later after checking my script,he stood me up appologized and said "Nice surf today huh?, be safe, have a good one". Try that with Prop 19 passed. Your gonna be in for a totaly different time. I just believe maybe we should wait till a better Prop is written up.
One Love
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Every day we wait more people get busted.

Hell, I've been treated like a whore for so long it doesn't even particularly bother me anymoe.

There are many other issues with this prop and I'm noticing that its going to be a very close Ballot either way it goes. So I guess if you all want more issues because you feel this prop is going to make it "legal" and free for all 21+ adault's to access go ahead. Its not going to be what you all think and you will regret it, to bad it will be to late by then... Re- read the prop, actually read it instead of looking at these posts and you will start to see its not all sunshine and giggles...
One Love
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Zero, you sign off your post "one love".

How about voting "yes" and signing off "a thousand loves" indicative of the lives that won't get screwed over by continuing this "drug war" upon the passing of 19; at least as it relates to cannabis users!!!

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Agreed What this guy seems not to realize is you also WONT be able to smaoke outside your home, this to me is more offending than anything else. Your not upset about that? ...

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Prop 19 says that any laws that EXIST NOW about smoking in front of minors will NOT BECOME NULLIFIED by Prop 19. NO NEW LAWS. existing laws, if there are any in your town, would not be nullified. no offense but its really not that complicated. do people not understand that?

all this stuff about "new laws" for smoking outside etc., is just plain and simple bullshit. either peoples misunderstanding of the written word or their outright lies trying to mislead voters.

i dont know about you guys here,but this prop 19 thing is startring to get rediculous,the profit growers are in fear ad say vote no,people say jack didnt want prop 19,me persoanlly i dont care if he did/didnt want it he/us want it 100% free but that will never ever ever ever happen, if something makes money and the people want it the goverment always gets something out of it,.i dont think prop 215 was perfect when if first happend but the people worked together to make it better.....and with prop 19 you/we vote yes get it in action then move towards and correct the things that are wrong...

if you people are so against voting yes i recomend you find another source of income like a job.....

one month away so we will see what happens,california has millions of people compared to the very few people here....


VOTE YES

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i dont know about you guys here,but this prop 19 thing is startring to get rediculous,the profit growers are in fear ad say vote no,people say jack didnt want prop 19,me persoanlly i dont care if he did/didnt want it he/us want it 100% free but that will never ever ever ever happen, if something makes money and the people want it the goverment always gets something out of it,.i dont think prop 215 was perfect when if first happend but the people worked together to make it better.....and with prop 19 you/we vote yes get it in action then move towards and correct the things that are wrong...

if you people are so against voting yes i recomend you find another source of income like a job.....

one month away so we will see what happens,california has millions of people compared to the very few people here....


VOTE YES

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:greenthumb: I could not agree more. Case in point, California's Senate Bill 420 :stoned: :D was how the people of California were able to make appropriate changes to Prop 215, such as allowing "not for profit" ;) coops, etc.

And when the local communities tried to force artificial limits on medical gardens the California Supreme Court acted swiftly to correct them and nullified all those laws. They will do it again if needed. They understand that medical use is a voter given right, it can not be taken away by local gov't. and will not be affected in any way by Prop 19. Its fairly straigtforward if you know how to read legal code.

Everyone should read the California Constitution. I love reading it, it is so simple so direct and so powerful. people complain about it being out of control but look what the voters of that State were able to do for medical users in 1996. :greenthumb: I'm sure it has been a tuff slog and will continue to be but the voters of California have all the tools they need to keep pruning and perfecting their own State laws.

But the first step is voting Yes on Prop 19 and germinating the peoples' mandate. Read california's current cannabis laws and visualize nearly all of them being nullified. striked out of existance. that is what Cali Voters can do in few weeks. :smokin:

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:greenthumb: I could not agree more. Case in point, California's Senate Bill 420 :stoned: :D was how the people of California were able to make appropriate changes to Prop 215, such as allowing "not for profit" ;) coops, etc.

And when the local communities tried to force artificial limits on medical gardens the California Supreme Court acted swiftly to correct them and nullified all those laws. They will do it again if needed. They understand that medical use is a voter given right, it can not be taken away by local gov't. and will not be affected in any way by Prop 19. Its fairly straigtforward if you know how to read legal code.

Everyone should read the California Constitution. I love reading it, it is so simple so direct and so powerful. people complain about it being out of control but look what the voters of that State were able to do for medical users in 1996. :greenthumb: I'm sure it has been a tuff slog and will continue to be but the voters of California have all the tools they need to keep pruning and perfecting their own State laws.

But the first step is voting Yes on Prop 19 and germinating the peoples' mandate. Read california's current cannabis laws and visualize nearly all of them being nullified. striked out of existance. that is what Cali Voters can do in few weeks. :smokin:

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Cali Voters can severely mess things up for all medical users and current medical providers. Go read my new post and actually read it. It will address all your so called "yes" counter arguments and hopefully you will start to realize that this isn't just as simple as its legal and no more harassment. There will be EVEN MORE. Now anyone doing grow op can potentially go to jail every time they have a plant outside a 5X5 area, Every time they smoke outside, every time there is a person under 21 present, every time they happen to have a little even 0.1 over an ounce on them, every time they give any medicine to anyone over the age of 21 and is caught (as this is a direct violation and is considered a "sale" that was not taxed and subject to fines to persons involved), Anytime a person under the age of 21 is in possession of marijuana, whether or not you gave it to them (a kid now could blame his dad and get him jailed for not buying him that videogame last week. Yea, that could and probably will happen. Now your 20 year old ex can say you supplied her and guess who the cops are going to believe? Think people...)... To me this isn't freedom, this isn't fair Taxing medication? what is that? And the sad thing is all you are happy as hell about it. Blind leading more blind to the slaughter. Go read and educate yourself and after if you still want yes, I feel so very sorry for your ignorance.
One Love...
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Cali Voters can severely mess things up for all medical users and current medical providers. Go read my new post and actually read it. It will address all your so called "yes" counter arguments and hopefully you will start to realize that this isn't just as simple as its legal and no more harassment. There will be EVEN MORE. Now anyone doing grow op can potentially go to jail every time they have a plant outside a 5X5 area, Every time they smoke outside, every time there is a person under 21 present, every time they happen to have a little even 0.1 over an ounce on them, every time they give any medicine to anyone over the age of 21 and is caught (as this is a direct violation and is considered a "sale" that was not taxed and subject to fines to persons involved), Anytime a person under the age of 21 is in possession of marijuana, whether or not you gave it to them (a kid now could blame his dad and get him jailed for not buying him that videogame last week. Yea, that could and probably will happen. Now your 20 year old ex can say you supplied her and guess who the cops are going to believe? Think people...)... To me this isn't freedom, this isn't fair Taxing medication? what is that? And the sad thing is all you are happy as hell about it. Blind leading more blind to the slaughter. Go read and educate yourself and after if you still want yes, I feel so very sorry for your ignorance.
One Love...
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:wtf: do you really think you are "honoring" Jack and Dennis by attaching their names to your lies and mistatements? Do you think the readers of this forum are so stupid that they will believe your lies if you keep telling them over and over and over and try to imply that you are honoring these good men? good luck with this strategy. :jointsmile:

I hate to burst your bubble, sunshine, but you've miscalculated.

I did go re-read this wonderful magical fact filled text that you are referring to and guess what ... its the same old bullshit you've posted before. I was going to give you positive rep anyways for your spirit but then you call me ignorant?? :wtf:

I am not going to debate with you anymore about this issue. continue if you want and try to convice yourself its working. :rastasmoke:

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Originally Posted by ZeroWingX

Cali Voters can severely mess things up for all medical users and current medical providers. Go read my new post and actually read it. It will address all your so called "yes" counter arguments and hopefully you will start to realize that this isn't just as simple as its legal and no more harassment. There will be EVEN MORE. Now anyone doing grow op can potentially go to jail every time they have a plant outside a 5X5 area, Every time they smoke outside, every time there is a person under 21 present, every time they happen to have a little even 0.1 over an ounce on them, every time they give any medicine to anyone over the age of 21 and is caught (as this is a direct violation and is considered a "sale" that was not taxed and subject to fines to persons involved), Anytime a person under the age of 21 is in possession of marijuana, whether or not you gave it to them (a kid now could blame his dad and get him jailed for not buying him that videogame last week. Yea, that could and probably will happen. Now your 20 year old ex can say you supplied her and guess who the cops are going to believe? Think people...)... To me this isn't freedom, this isn't fair Taxing medication? what is that? And the sad thing is all you are happy as hell about it. Blind leading more blind to the slaughter. Go read and educate yourself and after if you still want yes, I feel so very sorry for your ignorance.
One Love...
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lmao, all medications have taxes doofus,pull your head out of your ass and start at least trying to show the world you have some logic,also prop.19 has nothin to do with if your a med license holder or not.215 is totally seperate.wanna talk about blind you should actually try having facts you can prove ;) No wonder the world hates ganja,morons like you are the only types folks see.

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... Go read and educate yourself and after if you still want yes, I feel so very sorry for your ignorance.
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ZeroWing, I thought you were still talking to me in that post but I guess you were just referring to anyone who would vote yes. I did not read that correctly the first time, my mistake. sorry about that. carry on.

but, still we have pointed out many flaws in that text. I won't say that the author is purposely lieing but it is riddled with mistakes and mistatements. a lot of people have pointed that out before.

but I don't even live in California so you guys do what want. :jointsmile: and I guess I can't give you any more positive rep anyway until I spead some around. :)

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lmao, all medications have taxes doofus,pull your head out of your ass and start at least trying to show the world you have some logic,also prop.19 has nothin to do with if your a med license holder or not.215 is totally seperate.wanna talk about blind you should actually try having facts you can prove ;) No wonder the world hates ganja,morons like you are the only types folks see.

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Oh it does? Because it Cancel's out many of Prop 215's Laws, thus why people like Dennis Peron OPPOSE it to begin with. But good try on sounding smart you almost achieved your goal. Almost.
Go vote yes and screw everything that Activist Fought to obtain all these years, thats a wonderful idea. Let the Government control yet another Aspect of our life, because thats a great idea!
:thumbsup: Goodjob buddy gooood Job

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Oh it does? Because it Cancel's out many of Prop 215's Laws, thus why people like Dennis Peron OPPOSE it to begin with. But good try on sounding smart you almost achieved your goal. Almost.
Go vote yes and screw everything that Activist Fought to obtain all these years, thats a wonderful idea. Let the Government control yet another Aspect of our life, because thats a great idea!
:thumbsup: Goodjob buddy gooood Job

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its cool, im not the one with small weiner syndrome :D

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its cool, im not the one with small weiner syndrome :D

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hahaha oh wow now who's being childish...
Ok if you want to go School yard tactics your a poopy face.
lol
Come on man least keep this 18+ no need for the dumb shit if you can't defend your Debate stance don't start it.
You have your Opinion, I have mine hopefully you make the right decision. You're Yes and I'm No, so we instantly cancel eachother out. There are others on the Boards who are in the exact same positions. This is going to be close I only hope my patients Can still afford this ridiculas Tax they are implementing. Of course you wouldnt care about that, cuz hey its legal for you right?
Oh btw name one place in the prop where the word "Legal" is used? =)
I'm going to go smoke a bit out in the sun while I still can...excuse me
One love...
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lmao dude,cant you see people are just messin with you because you continue to reply ;)

ok, so how does the bill Ahnold signed yesterday change anything for prop 19?

it doesnt,mainly because you still gotta pay the fine.its not law till Jan. so means nothing right now anyhow.his last grasp(or first)on trying to be useful,to bad the other 2 folks running for his office are complete morons too.

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it doesnt,mainly because you still gotta pay the fine.its not law till Jan. so means nothing right now anyhow.his last grasp(or first)on trying to be useful,to bad the other 2 folks running for his office are complete morons too.

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First thing we agree on lol
Wait im starting to wonder if u miss-understood my reply for this post...

lol:jointsmile::jointsmile:

Its all good though, I guess I'm going to have to start thinking of a way to still opperate on a 5X5 square, man I wish this law didnt over ride my current No space limitation. But since 215 doesnt have a space restriction they will force even medical providers like me into a 5X5...*sigh* The one freedom I finally get to enjoy and now they want to take it... figures....

Zero, prop 19 cancels NOTHING about 215. And as it stands now, you can't grow in a ONE INCH by ONE INCH area let alone five foot by five foot area if you're non-medical! You don't know what the heck you're talking about.

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Its all good though, I guess I'm going to have to start thinking of a way to still opperate on a 5X5 square, man I wish this law didnt over ride my current No space limitation. But since 215 doesnt have a space restriction they will force even medical providers like me into a 5X5...*sigh* The one freedom I finally get to enjoy and now they want to take it... figures....

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Zero, prop 19 cancels NOTHING about 215. And as it stands now, you can't grow in a ONE INCH by ONE INCH area let alone five foot by five foot area if you're non-medical! You don't know what the heck you're talking about.

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Zero knows what their saying bro....they are current medical marijuana card holder...they dont have any size limits as proposed by 215

Current card holder will be down sized in space LEGALLY...that doesnt mean all will comply

My current legal space of 12x18 goes down to 5x5.... if 215 passes

Medical Marijuana patients should not have to ater to the same marijuana laws as recreational users....patients need...others want

Just as I belive thast medical should get better prices than recreational users