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07-26-2010, 08:14 PM
OhNoYaDont

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I'm kind of a newb at growing. At least outside like I am now. I live in North Redding, kind of rural, but I have a couple of neighbors that, if they tresspassed, would be able to see what's up. I have a couple of questions that maybe someone with a little more experience can answer. Ready?

1) What are the odds that I will be ripped off? I mean, is it all THAT common?

2) What kinds of security measures can I take to discover an intruder early - before they do damage?

Advice and input are appreciated.
08-03-2010, 05:58 AM
Lanietheberner

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1. get rid of all firearms (no gun powder), and buy a really good pellet rifle.

If the LE crowd comes up wants to be a pain, they can send you to jail for 5-10 years for just having the firearm (5 years), if you pull it out (7 years) and if you use it (10 years).

2. Think if you were a crook, how would you get in and what can you do to protect your crop.

3. Set up a tent and put a sleeping bag in it.

4. Check with any of the local dog rescue groups and see if they are looking for foster homes for any of their dogs. If so you might look for a very noisy dog and at night secure the dog in the middle of your garden, within a ear shout of yourself. After your done, maybe you'll do the dog, and yourself a good thing and you'll make a permanent home for the furry friend for his/her good service! If not, typically you can return the dog.

You area has become a vacation spot for theives, good luck and be safe!
08-08-2010, 07:50 PM
420goodfu

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Reading an Oregon case where a judge ruled a mj patient can posses a firearm and obtain a concealed weapon after the sheriff denied a patients concealed weapon application. This could set a precedent if a California law enforcement agency attempted to deny a person right to posses a firearm or obtain a ccw based on being an mj patient.

Snip it of the case below

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FILED: June 16, 2010

IN THE COURT OF APPEALS OF THE STATE OF OREGON

CYNTHIA TOWNSLEY WILLIS,

Petitioner-Respondent,

v.

MICHAEL WINTERS,
in his official capacity as Sheriff of Jackson County,

Respondent-Appellant.

Jackson County Circuit Court
072755Z7
A139875

Mark S. Schiveley, Judge.

Argued and submitted on November 04, 2009.

Elmer M. Dickens, Jr., argued the cause for appellant. On the briefs were Benjamin M. Bloom, and Hornecker, Cowling, Hassen & Heysell, L.L.P.

Leland R. Berger argued the cause for respondent. With him on the brief was John C. Lucy, IV.

Before Wollheim, Presiding Judge, and Brewer, Chief Judge, and Sercombe, Judge.*

WOLLHEIM, P. J.

Affirmed.

*Brewer, C. J., vice Edmonds, P. J.

WOLLHEIM, P. J.

Respondent, the Jackson County Sheriff, appeals a judgment of the circuit court that ordered him to renew a concealed handgun license issued to petitioner, a medical marijuana user. The sheriff concedes that petitioner met the requirements for issuance of a concealed handgun license set forth in ORS 166.291. He nevertheless asserts that Oregon's concealed handgun licensing statutes are preempted by federal law in this instance, because "an unlawful user * * * of any controlled substance" cannot lawfully possess a firearm under 18 USC section 922(g) of the federal Gun Control Act.(1) The circuit court rejected the sheriff's preemption argument and ordered him to issue a renewal of petitioner's concealed handgun license. We agree with the circuit court's conclusion that federal law does not preempt this state's concealed handgun licensing statutes, and we therefore affirm.

The relevant facts are few and undisputed. In May 2007, petitioner applied to renew her expired concealed handgun license. The criteria for renewal of a concealed handgun license are, with the exception of submitting fingerprints and character references, the same as those for issuance of the license in the first instance under ORS 166.291. ORS 166.295(1)(a) ("A concealed handgun license is renewable by repeating the procedures set out in ORS 166.291 and 166.292, except for the requirement to submit fingerprints and provide character references."). ORS 166.291, in turn, provides that the sheriff of a county, "upon a person's application for an Oregon concealed handgun license, [and] upon receipt of the appropriate fees and after compliance with the procedures set out in this section, shall issue the person a concealed handgun license" if the person meets certain enumerated criteria.(2) (Emphasis added.)
08-08-2010, 10:16 PM
420goodfu

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One thing to add..because of the Oregon ruling does not mean every county will be forced to issue ccw's. Counties are split by some calling themselves shall issue and may issue. This ruling could only effect the shall issue counties if they choose to not issue a ccw because a person is a mj patient.

Beyond ccw's the ruling could impact everyone who wishes to exercise their 2nd amendment right by owning firearms and putting ccw aside, because by the judges ruling that a person could be issued a ccw means the persons right to own firearms while being a mj patient can not be revoked.

Not saying firearms are the only way to protect your medication from being stolen since other ways have been discussed here..dont want everyone to think I am saying that.
08-11-2010, 08:22 PM
OhNoYaDont

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 420goodfu

Not saying firearms are the only way to protect your medication from being stolen since other ways have been discussed here..dont want everyone to think I am saying that.

I've always been taught that this is the very last resort. When NOTHING else is working. In my state (California) deadly force can ONLY be used to protect your life, or life of a family member. It can NOT be used to protect property. The person under attack is DUTY BOUND to attempt retreat and less deadly forms of self defense first (pepper spray, stun gun, a club ...). Anyone who uses deadly force to protect property is in big, big trouble here.

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08-13-2010, 09:19 PM
420goodfu

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Quote:

Originally Posted by OhNoYaDont

I've always been taught that this is the very last resort. When NOTHING else is working. In my state (California) deadly force can ONLY be used to protect your life, or life of a family member. It can NOT be used to protect property. The person under attack is DUTY BOUND to attempt retreat and less deadly forms of self defense first (pepper spray, stun gun, a club ...). Anyone who uses deadly force to protect property is in big, big trouble here.

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Very true on the above statements. A firearm is not ment to protect property in California, as with many court cases people use a firearm to protect property and end up in major trouble. Most times if a person retreats or separates his or herself from the property being stolen the situation is de escalated.

Protection of yourself a 3rd party from deadly force if retreat is not possible is the main reason for deadly force. Most states say protection of a person from rape or kidnapping is grounds for deadly force against the attacker, even if the attacker is not armed.

Some states allow deadly force to be used for criminal trespass even if the suspect is not armed in a victims home after giving the person 2 warnings to leave, also during a car jacking.. California is not one of those states.
08-13-2010, 11:52 PM
boaz

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here in Oklahoma we have what they call the "make my day" law. :jointsmile: if anyone gets on your property its pretty much open season on 'em. :D

unless your growing weed, then your pretty much an enemy of the state with no rights. :wtf:
08-14-2010, 11:21 PM
McLuvin

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Never underestimate the power of a good dog....
08-15-2010, 09:17 AM
stormin94

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Booby traps can be fun. Non deadly, of course. Not such a good idea at all if you have pets/children though. Electric fence and perimeter alarm are a good idea though. Electric fence will keep deer out too.
08-16-2010, 05:33 PM
johard59

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First of all you arrange small garden with fench around it so that no one cancrush your plants and after that you arrange good watering and sunlight and good nutrients that will be enough for plants to grow.
08-20-2010, 08:22 PM
womacxx1

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Quote:

Originally Posted by OhNoYaDont

I'm kind of a newb at growing. At least outside like I am now. I live in North Redding, kind of rural, but I have a couple of neighbors that, if they tresspassed, would be able to see what's up. I have a couple of questions that maybe someone with a little more experience can answer. Ready?

1) What are the odds that I will be ripped off? I mean, is it all THAT common?

2) What kinds of security measures can I take to discover an intruder early - before they do damage?

Advice and input are appreciated.

If you could afford it, I would suggest high-resolution IP cameras with analytics. The high-resolution allows for easy identification, the IP camera allows for networking including long-distance access points. And the analytics is a form of camera intelligence that can identify certain human activity and then notify you or your security instantaneously via smart phone with an actual picture in real time. A regular dumb analog camera system will only show you videos of people with masks on as they rob you after the fact.

I am a security consultant specializing in cameras. I works with medical marijuana growers concerning their special security needs.

Shannon -- Maui customs surveillance
08-20-2010, 08:53 PM
womacxx1

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Lanietheberner

1. get rid of all firearms (no gun powder), and buy a really good pellet rifle.

If the LE crowd comes up wants to be a pain, they can send you to jail for 5-10 years for just having the firearm (5 years), if you pull it out (7 years) and if you use it (10 years).

2. Think if you were a crook, how would you get in and what can you do to protect your crop.

3. Set up a tent and put a sleeping bag in it.

4. Check with any of the local dog rescue groups and see if they are looking for foster homes for any of their dogs. If so you might look for a very noisy dog and at night secure the dog in the middle of your garden, within a ear shout of yourself. After your done, maybe you'll do the dog, and yourself a good thing and you'll make a permanent home for the furry friend for his/her good service! If not, typically you can return the dog.

You area has become a vacation spot for theives, good luck and be safe!

As a security consultant who works with growers, I would not advise sleeping in a tent. If you are sleeping in a tent, there is not much standing between you and the bad guys. And if you're counting on your dog waking you up, is just too easy to kill a dog silently, silencing a dog is not difficult.

I would advise against getting a dog, particularly a noisy dog. Not only will this attract the attention of your irate neighbors, it will attract the attention of would-be robbers who actually case neighborhoods listening for barking dogs to lead them to the growers!

And the irate neighbor could be more of a threat to your business security, who may not object personally to medical marijuana but would object to any business being run in his neighborhood that would pollute or create noise or draw traffic and devalue his property. It's impossible nowadays to get so far back into the boonies that your neighbor could not hear your dog.

Trying to make your neighbors your friends, and do not ever draw attention to yourself or your business.

Shannon -- Maui Custom Surveillance
08-20-2010, 09:06 PM
womacxx1

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Quote:

Originally Posted by OhNoYaDont

I've always been taught that this is the very last resort. When NOTHING else is working. In my state (California) deadly force can ONLY be used to protect your life, or life of a family member. It can NOT be used to protect property. The person under attack is DUTY BOUND to attempt retreat and less deadly forms of self defense first (pepper spray, stun gun, a club ...). Anyone who uses deadly force to protect property is in big, big trouble here.

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I feel lucky I live in Arizona, you don't dare break into somebody's house in Arizona unless you have a death wish. Not only that, a new Arizona law allows anyone who is not a felon or restricted otherwise to conceal and carry a handgun. Now, if Arizona will only decriminalize marijuana this November elections :-)

Shannon -- Maui Custom Surveillance
08-20-2010, 09:09 PM
womacxx1

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Quote:

Originally Posted by stormin94

Booby traps can be fun. Non deadly, of course. Not such a good idea at all if you have pets/children though. Electric fence and perimeter alarm are a good idea though. Electric fence will keep deer out too.

Any booby-trap on your property is a set up for lawsuit by the criminal, particularly in states like California and Oregon.

Shannon -- Maui Custom Surveillance
08-20-2010, 09:12 PM
oldhaole

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Fence your property. Do a good job. Go down to the pound and get a big dog. or two, or three, Keep them outside and let them roam. Soon your yard will be their territory.

Forget the guns, traps, cameras and other junk. One day some rip will make a grab for your girls. Dogs will catch him, and maul him. Make an example of him.

Now your property has a reputation. You are now the crazy SOB that let so and so get mauled. People talk. Then they leave you alone.