Other sources of CO MMJ news and info. What's good?
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Other sources of CO MMJ news and info. What's good?
My quick links every morning:
MedicinalColorado.org - Basically a feed of everything
Denver News - The Latest Word - "Marijuana" Archives - Everything Westword and MMJ
Marijuana News - The Denver Post - Denver Post's MMJ coverage
Non Colorado
Toke of the Town - Cannabis news, rumor and humor
NORML Blog NORML's blog
Forum rules:
-- Asking for a hookup or a request for Mail Order Marijuana or anything of the related will result in an IMMEDIATE PERMANENT BAN this includes selling/asking/offering ANYTHING, including seeds, hydro,lights, grow equipment, etc etc, these are all a NO-NO
-- In relation to above, spamming of websites will also result in a IMMEDIATE PERMANENT BAN including in your signature
-- THIS IS NOT A SOCIAL MESSAGE BOARD. NO SOCIAL THREADS.
-- If you are deemed making immature, contentless posts, consider your account will also be be PERMANENT banned. (this is up to mods and admins)
-- No Racism, No Personal Attacks on Others and or Co-Ops/Dispensaries, No threats of violence and/or the Like
-- No Vendor Requests, No Making business dealings with Co-Ops/Dispensaries
-- No Posts containing email addresses and/or the like
Spamming of websites to me means something different than posting a few links. Sorry in advance to the Modfather if I got that wrong.
I don't see anything in there that says we aren't allowed to mention other websites.
I know there are other forums that are discussed, but I don't know what they are or where they are at.
There is some industry news on craigslist, but that place is just horrible.
You can stick to the websites like here, rollitup.org, etc. I don't know the content or quality of any other online communities, I am pretty new to the pot forum-ing.
There are magazines like Daily Buds, Kush, Urban Grower, etc. These mags have awesome info on gardening and pot. There is some current events. However, always know that these magazines like dailybud are for profit, not non-profit.
for retail locations is okay, but it's also profit driven, and if you don't pay the site, you don't get listed. I think that's wrong.
You can read westword for news and accurate current events, and there is a couple MMC reviewers who make regular reviews. There are also resources there in the classifieds. Westword also has a dispensary directory, but it sucks.
What sort of info are you looking for?
edit: funny to me that we're scared of posting links or other site info under the threat of the ban hammer. That's why I posted the rules like I did, because I totally agree that posting another website/forum could be considered spam by some people.
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Drug WarRant
I'm looking for info like jeff gard's site, and info like this site is trying to provide. I need to keep abreast of regulatory issues as they arise.
I think following a couple of local MMJ friendly industries would be your best bet. I think there is a good MMJ lawyer who blogs. You might troll blogspot or search 'colorado marijuana blog' or something.Quote:
Originally Posted by HarvestHouse
From the DoR website:Quote:
Originally Posted by HarvestHouse
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With the passage of House Bill 10-1284, the Department of Revenue has been deemed the agency to implement and regulate medical marijuana centers, optional premise grow facilities, medical marijuana infused product manufacturers, and all associated occupational licenses.
Following the statutory provisions contained in House Bill 10-1284, the Department, through the state licensing authority, will begin the process of setting up regulations to further define the rules under which the industry will operate. Rule-making will be conducted upon completion of a series of workshops with participation by people who
represent every segment of the industry. As the work groups are established, contact information will be posted and everyone is encourage to contact the person(s) who best represent your specific interests to coordinate your input through the workshops before the formal Rule-making hearing occurs. The Division??s website will be updated with current rule proposals created by the workgroups and any future dates and locations of the formal rule-making hearings as they become available.
Should you wish to be notified via electronic mail (e-mail) during the rule-making process, please submit your information in an e-mail message to: [email protected].
Include in your subject line and in the message text:
Your contact information via e-mail
Note that you wish to have your name entered into the information list for dissemination from the agency
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Originally Posted by TheReleafCenter
Well, ya don't walk into a Shopko and pass out Walmart advertisements but I'm giving a pass on this one. There was no promotion of sales nor was there a promotion of a site over this one.Quote:
Originally Posted by cologrower420
Have good one!:thumbsup:
MMJ News Alert; Aurora Sentinel 7/22 weekly edition; article and a map of Aurora growing locations. WTF?:eek:
Can you link the article? Scan it? lolQuote:
Originally Posted by luge469
I wish people didn't re-post fanatical stories without any evidence.Quote:
Originally Posted by luge469
Spending ten seconds on google doesn't have any results for marijuana related stories in their 7-22 edition.
Spending ten more seconds searching the sentinel's site doesn't have any results for that date either in the archives.
I call bullshit on this one until I see otherwise.
Aurora Sentinel > Search
Medical marijuana deluge: Number of Colorado MMJ patients passes 100,000 mark - Denver News - The Latest Word
100,000 patients, that's pretty cool.
Sorry folks It's NOt bullshit and I would link it If I could but I don't see it on the web site either. I am looking at the article right now and think it should be brought to everyone's attention. Any suggestions besides retyping the whole thing. Tell me how( I am a chef not a bot geek) and I will get this info out!
Thank You!
Don't kill the messenger!
I found this article, but did not see a map to go along with it.
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Aurora Sentinel > Archives > News > Aurora police detail dozens of pot operations across city
Aurora police detail dozens of pot operations across city
Municipal officials begin contemplating how to regulate medical marijuana growth, sales
By SARA CASTELLANOS
The Aurora Sentinel
Published: Friday, July 23, 2010 10:15 AM MD
AURORA | Residential medical marijuana grows have been cropping up around Aurora recently, causing city officials to contemplate the safety hazards associated with them and propose potential regulations.
City officials tackled the prospects of regulating the residential growing of medical marijuana at an Aurora City Council Neighborhood Services Policy Committee July 15, the first of a series of monthly meetings on the issue that will run through November.
A presentation on home grows in Aurora was made by Aurora Police Chief Dan Oates at the meeting. Committee members then discussed whether the city would be able to legally defend itself if they proposed their own rules governing home grows. They ultimately concluded that a more extensive look into the potential safety hazards of medical marijuana home-grows should be conducted before regulations were proposed.
Newly enacted Colorado legislation allows medical marijuana caregivers to have five patients and grow six plants per patient, but the law does not specify how many square feet is required for a home grow operation, or what safety precautions must be adopted.
As of July 1, the city??s police officers have identified 63 locations where medical marijuana was being grown in a residential home in Aurora, Oates said at the meeting.
That??s up from the 54 grows that were reported by the police department in early June.
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Residents in about 30 locations showed some sort of documentation that justified the existence of the marijuana plants, Oates said. The number of home grows increased by 217 percent in the past six months, he said.
Since home grows of medical marijuana have proliferated, Oates said his narcotics unit has devoted 40 percent of its time to identifying the home grows and determining whether they are legitimate.
He presented photographs of the dozens of electrical wires and heat lamps that police officials have encountered at residential marijuana growing operations, which cause serious health risks.
??The challenge we??re seeing is when there??s a volume of plants, these places feel inherently unsafe to us,? Oates said.
Weapons such as handguns are also found at many of the residential growing locations, he said, and are mainly used as a defense against potential thieves.
The city??s building inspectors now accompany police officials in all cases of residential grow investigations. In a recent venture to a Saddle Rock residence where a medical marijuana grow operation was being conducted, building inspectors noted there were more than 100 electrical code violations, including wires that could result in electrocution and death if they were touched.
??It wasn??t a matter of if the house was going to burn down, it was a matter of when,? said Scott Berg, the city??s chief building official. ??None of this is legal or even close to being legal.?
Chemicals from the grow operation in the Saddle Rock community were also being disposed of in the drainage system, causing concern over whether the water was contaminated, Berg said. Water officials found no contamination in the water in that instance, he said.
Tom Nicholas, chairman of the city??s newly created Medical Marijuana Task Force, suggested the committee members decide how extensive the regulations on home grows should be.
Aurora City Council members decided in mid-July that they will ask voters whether they want to ban medical marijuana dispensaries in the city, but regulations on medical marijuana home grows will be at the sole discretion of the city.
??We have to decide just how aggressive we want to become, and whether we??re pushing the risk factor of litigation,? said Nicholas, who is also deputy city manager.
Oates said that city officials should consider whether 30 marijuana plants in a home grow operation, as the state legislation stipulates, is an appropriate number.
??I think there??s still room for this city to address what we think is the proper number of plants to be grown in a home,? he said. ??I think we??d be conceding too much this early to say that someone can grow 30 plants in a home.?
One of the most disconcerting issues is speculation that home grow operations are being carried out by people who are using houses specifically for that purpose and not actually living in the homes, said Councilwoman Melissa Miller.
She asked Neighborhood Services officials to look into the legality of using a house solely for medical marijuana grows.
??I??m concerned about the safety and welfare of the people in that area,? Miller said.
City officials said at the committee meeting that any regulations that will be instituted would be for the sake of safety.
Councilwoman Barb Cleland said that if the city decreased the number of plants that would be allowed in a home, the city would definitely face lawsuits.
Lawsuits could still ensue no matter what kinds of regulations the city implements concerning home grow operations, said Councilwoman Molly Markert.
??I have a lot of constitutional questions and I hope we have a very big legal budget,? Markert said. ??The state law gives us some guidelines, and every step we take beyond that puts us at risk of a lawsuit. I am hoping the legal department has access to resources to defend the decisions we make.?
Miller asked the Medical Marijuana Task Force to come back to the committee next month with a report about what kinds of chemical waste products are being flushed down the city??s water system as a result of the home grow operations.
The task force is comprised of several city officials including Oates, Neighborhood Services Liaison Nancy Sheffield, and Jim Sayre, manager of zoning and development review.
You said you saw the article and a map, and now it seems apparent that there never was a map.Quote:
Originally Posted by luge469
Did you get your original info second hand? Why would you post that there was an article with a map if there was only an article?
I stand corrected on the article, but I still call bullshit on you saying they published a map of home grows. Good times.
The article raises interesting points. How much pot is "too much" to be grown in a residential setting? Who should make that determination? Should multi-unit dwellings have different rules than single family homes? Should caregivers who grow at home be required to pursue a zoning variance?
All good questions that need sorting. It will be interesting to see what answers different communities come up with.
I think it's interesting that cook made the rules so that he can still claim he's for patient advocacy, while ensuring the maximum amount of tax dollars for the state, which is his job. So in his capacity to create revenue for his agency and to create the authority to enforce making rules, he's doing a great job.Quote:
Originally Posted by HighPopalorum
Not exactly what I would like, but I am still a small scale patient, so this legislation doesn't really do anything for me personally. This legislation affects larger scale for profit grows, ones that might not have been paying taxes on their revenue. That's why we got 1284 and 109, because the state saw how much revenue it was losing out on.
edit: If I were a compliant patient or caregiver (6plants per patient, 5 cap) in Aurora, I wouldn't be concerned. If I were a single patient with 99 plants or a non compliant caregiver, I would be very concerned at the cops showing up to verify plant counts.
If the cops show up, do I have to let them in my grow or handle my plants? I would be very concerned with some random asshat coming into my room and pulling plants to check roots, etc.
This is a good question... If they dont have a warrant, technically you don't have to let them in. I would probably let them check if you are compliant to avoud the warrant, battering ram scenario that would be coming next.Quote:
Originally Posted by cologrower420
I would also worry about them bringing bugs from other grows they have visited. Hmmm I wonder if you could supply them with and make them wear tyvek suits. LOL
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Originally Posted by SprngsCaregiver
Terrible advice. Do not give consent for police to search your home, your car or your person. Under no circumstances should you waive any of your rights unless your attorney instructs you to do so. I believe I have posted this information several times before, but there is so much horrible information out there, it bears repeating:
Your rights:
- You have the right to remain silent. If you wish to exercise that right, say so out loud.
- You have the right to refuse to consent to a search of yourself, your car or your home.
- If you are not under arrest, you have the right to calmly leave.
- You have the right to a lawyer if you are arrested. Ask for one immediately.
- Regardless of your immigration or citizenship status, you have constitutional rights.
Your responsibilities:
- Do stay calm and be polite.
- Do not interfere with or obstruct the police.
- Do not lie or give false documents.
- Do prepare yourself and your family in case you are arrested.
- Do remember the details of the encounter.
- Do file a written complaint or call your local ACLU if you feel your rights have been violated.
If the police or immigration agents come to your home, you do not have to let them in unless they have certain kinds of warrants.
Ask the officer to slip the warrant under the door or hold it up to the window so you can inspect it. A search warrant allows police to enter the address listed on the warrant, but officers can only search the areas and for the items listed. An arrest warrant allows police to enter the home of the person listed on the warrant if they believe the person is inside. A warrant of removal/deportation (ICE warrant) does not allow officers to enter a home without consent.
Even if officers have a warrant, you have the right to remain silent. If you choose to speak to the officers, step outside and close the door.
-via the ACLU
There is absolutely no way you will benefit from allowing the cops to search your home without a warrant. There is no way you will benefit by giving them information about your patients and yourself. There is no way you will benefit from talking to the police.... period. Any criminal attorney will tell you the same thing.
Good advice, but let's take this example, of some regulator or auditor coming to your house. Since I am a compliant patient growing for myself, I don't think anyone would ever know, or care, what's being grown in my basement.Quote:
Originally Posted by HighPopalorum
I was at a friends house in Sheridan the other day, and looking out the back window over the fence, the grey haired hippy had 6 pot plants, 5 feet tall, in his back yard. Obviously no one had a problem with it, but if a neighbor complained, a police visit could easily be the result. Your advice applies then too, but many many people are intimidated by cops or people in positions of authority.
If there are reports of a marijuana grow, it's likely and safe to assume that grow is larger than one patient or whatever. I guess my point is, if the cops come knocking to check plant counts, there is probably some indication that whoever they are visiting is operating outside the law.
Or something.
NEVER NEVER NEVER talk to the police.
YouTube - Dont Talk to Police
If a cop comes to your door to ask questions about your grow, the last thing you should do is not speak to them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zedleppelin
Do you think they'd just go away if we follow your advice? Seriously? What do you think would happen if a cop asks to check a grow and they get a door shut on them?
edit: If it wasn't clear, I am using a specific example including a potential grow, not some random confrontation with an asshole cop. I feel there is a difference.
Thats exactly what you should do, or better yet don't open the door in the first place.Quote:
Originally Posted by cologrower420
Let them get a warrant. Let them in and you just waived your constitutional rights. Their job is to find a reason to arrest you, why in the world would you help them do that? ANYTHING you say can and will be twisted against you. Who do you think juries believe? You or a cop? Cops only knock and talk when they dont have enough cause for a warrant, if they did they wouldnt be knocking.Quote:
Originally Posted by cologrower420
You guys are absolutly right. I was responding emotionally I guess you could say after seeing this. I have dogs. I would gladly give up my rights if it meant saving my dogs life. Call me stupid.
http://boards.cannabis.com/current-e...marijuana.html
I guess I would assume they have a case if they are knocking.
I agree with you that opening the door would be a bad idea, but if you are at the point in a grow operation where the cops are there, and you are willing to not let them in, then I think that speaks to the legality of your operation, which was my point in stating that 'letting them in' would be the best course of action.
But if you are about to get busted with a illegal grow, then hell no don't let them in. I guess I am assuming everyone in this example is compliant with state law. Why would an auditor or inspector or whatever care to 'inspect' or show compliance? Aren't the feds busting MMC's and large scale private grows like barkowitz? I guess I am thinking, I don't have anything to hide, so I don't have a problem letting a cop come into my home if one shows up to check my plants. My that's me personally. If I had an illegal grow in the basement, I would probably answer differently.
Right now, I am state compliant, so if pressured, I would absolutely prove my compliance.
Has zero to do with being in compliance or not. A neighbor could report a smell, ex girlfriend causing trouble, whatever. So you just got done trimming one plant and someone reports the smell. Cops come and you let them in because you only have 2 plants and you're compliant. They weigh what you just harvested (including the trim you were going to throw away) and it weighs 10 ounces because its still wet. While they're doing this one cop (the nice one) asks you what your favorite dispensary is and you say 'The Wellness Center has some really good prices'. Next thing you know the cops are putting your 10 oz wet shit in a airtight bag and arrest you for felony possession with intent to distribute.
So you say screw this, I didnt do anything wrong so you hire an attorney to fight it. He tell you that he will either plea bargain it or you can take it to trial but he wants $15,000. At your trial the cop gets on the stand and testifies that you admitted The Wellness Center gives you really good prices. Now a jury has to decide who to believe, you - a guy growing weed, or a law enforcement officer, all because you let them in and talked.
That's a pretty extreme example. I'm small scale, but if a cop came knocking saying there were reports of marijuana being grown, I would probably present my ID and red card, and politely decline to answer that question.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zedleppelin
I'm not sure if they'd come back with a warrant or what. I imagine they wouldn't waste their time with someone super small scale like me, but someone approaching 36 plants or an apartment grow or someone noticing plants outside or something.
Although, matt cook has said something along the lines using root weight, dirt weight and water weight as going towards my 2 ounce limit. So basically, if I were busted harvesting even one plant, it's likely that I'm going over my 2 ounce posession limit. I guess I might be able to hedge my bets if I were a caregiver or something so I could increase my weight limit.
I think we agree.
Not an extreme example at all, plenty of innocent people in prison.
How do you think gun owners would react if the police started knocking on doors of registered gun owners asking if they could come in to make sure they didnt have to many guns? Think that would fly?
Absolutely not, but pot is unique. Guns aren't illegal at the federal level.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zedleppelin
Plus, the NRA is a little bigger than norml, so the 'complainers' would be much much louder than the small group of largescale growers who might be now illegal.
I completly see your point but, what if you have dogs or kids? At least at the first knock you have the chance to put them away.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zedleppelin
Where I'm from police serve warrants early in the morning before the sun comes up. I don't know about Colorado, or the cities in, because I havn't been here long enough I guess.
I dont know... My whole reason on moving out here to CO was to get away from the illegal crap. I am compliant so I have absolutly nothing to hide and to avoid the scenario in my post at the end of page 1, I will certainly consider just letting them in. I myself would rather do jail time on some bullshit charges than to watch my dogs get shot. My dogs will defend their territory.
Its not unique, one is protected by the Federal Constitution the other is protected under the State Constitution. Any local or state law enforcement takes an oath to uphold both.Quote:
Originally Posted by cologrower420
We are discussing caregivers, why do you keep throwing in 'large scale illegal growers'?Quote:
Originally Posted by cologrower420
I hear ya, the dog scenario has ran through my mind quite a few times. I've already decided if they killed my dog they are going to have to take me down too. Let them explain to the public why they shot and killed an unarmed cancer patient and his dog.Quote:
Originally Posted by SprngsCaregiver
In our example, we are discussing a medical marijuana issue with a gun issue. In my mind, since pot is still illegal at the federal level where guns are legal at a federal level, then the outrage at the 'auditors checking gun owners' doesn't quite fit. I'm not sure of a different analogy. That's where I was going when I said the 'auditors checking on gun owners' would be a larger crowd than the 'remove the 5 patient cap' crowd. Do you disagree?Quote:
Originally Posted by Zedleppelin
In my opinion, a legal caregiver is 5 patients or less, 36 plants. Give or take I guess. I don't think our example of 'cops checking plant counts' or 'dept. of revenue auditors checking paperwork' really applies to legal caregivers. I don't believe cops would bother busting a legal grow. Now, how that cop decides how that grow is legal or not is beside the point. I am simply saying cops will leave the small guys alone and concentrate on the bigger cases.
That might not be correct. If the cops wanted to bust your grow or arrest you or question you or whatever, they can. I think in reality, the 'cops checking plant counts' will be happening with large scale grows, which are illegal post 1284/109, not small compliant grows. But that's in general, specific cases could easily be different.
Do you see why I don't use caregiver when I am discussing large scale grows, anything more than 36 plants?
I apologize AGAIN for being a chef and unable to download the article. Thanks for finding it! I have the actual paper(it was a promo tossed on my front porch) and in the free copy the article starts on page 7 and continues to page 8 and above the rest of the article is a map of Aurora with red dot for 30 documented grows, a blue dot for 27 undocumented grows, and a geen dot showing the grows pending. It says it was Dan Oates:mad:map for presentation to the Neighborhood Services Committee this month!Quote:
Originally Posted by cologrower420
I again apologize that I was unable show it to you, but it is NOT bull and I was just trying to help. Maybe one of those dots is a cherised forum member. Sorry for trying to help.:weedpoke:
You are misunderstanding. You said there was a map of the home grows along with the story. That's the part I doubted, and that's the part of your post that is untrue. It appears the article contains a photo of a home grow, not a map of home grows.Quote:
Originally Posted by luge469
No worries, and there is nothing for you to apologize for.
Do you have a digital camera? You could always take a picture of it and post the picture.Quote:
Originally Posted by luge469
Thank you SpringsGrower! I have know taken and loaded the picture, it is not very clear, but at least it confirms my honesty. Just wanted you folks to know that the article and map were out there.
I think someone owes you an appology. :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by luge469
yessir :thumbsup::thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by SprngsCaregiver