30 days sans smoke, but failed at home test tonight

Hello all, first time poster, long time lurker

I've been clean for exactly 30 days now, but as the title mentions, I failed an at home drug test tonight. I actually took 2 from different companies. One had a ghostly faint little line and the other was an outright fail.

Basically, my pre employment drug test is coming in 1 week. I'll have 37 days clean by then, but based on the fact that I'm not clean yet, I'd hate to put all my eggs in that one basket. Further compounding the situation, I understand there to be a physical as well, so substitution probably isn't an option. Personally, I'm about 6'0 175lbs..somewhat active and an average diet. When I was smoking, it was to the tune of several gravities a day of decent weed to straight schwag.

What can I do in the next week to help clean myself out? I bought some 500mg niacin tablets. Other than that and eating lean, I'm at a loss.

This job is of dire importance, which is why I stopped smoking so long ago. I had no idea this would still be an issue 30 days later. Sighhhh..

Ideas?

You need to exercise when you take that niacin. While your metabolism is boosted up, exercise and start burning that fat out of your system.

Drink fluids to help your kidneys flush out the metabolized lipids. 37 days should be fine, most urinalysis tests aren't that accurate, anyways.

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Originally Posted by khyberkitsune

You need to exercise when you take that niacin. While your metabolism is boosted up, exercise and start burning that fat out of your system.

Drink fluids to help your kidneys flush out the metabolized lipids. 37 days should be fine, most urinalysis tests aren't that accurate, anyways.

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The dinky ones bought at Wal-Mart or the actual ones done by the medical office?

Thanks for the reply, by the way!

The niacin I have are 500mg tablets..It says to take one a day. I've heard that overdosing on niacin happens around 1500-2000mg. I'm fine with burning a little bit, but should it be kosher to take 2 of these a day? Maybe one in the morning and one at night?

Niacin is an old myth. It does nothing to rid the body of THC.

There is no product that can rid the body of THC. Only time and exercise can do this.

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You need to exercise when you take that niacin. While your metabolism is boosted up, exercise and start burning that fat out of your system.

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Anytime you burn fat cells, the stored THC metabolites are released back into the bloodstream. The kidneys filter the THC metabolites from the bloodstream and deposits them in the bladder. THC does not burn away with the fat cells.
For this reason, all exercise should be avoided 3 days before the U/A. Youd want to go into "storage mode" - be lazy as possible to prevent a bunch of THC metabolites from being released, which will end up in the urine to be detected.

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Drink fluids to help your kidneys flush out the metabolized lipids.

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Drinking fluids only dilutes the THCA concentration thats present in the bladder. The idea is to "thin out" the THCA concentration just enough for the urine sample to register below the cutoff thresholds of the drug screen. This action is only temporary. Once the fluids ingested had been voided out, the dirty donor will resume testing positive for THC. Drinking fluids has no effect on GFR (the rate of which THCA is filtered from the bloodstream by the kidneys), so therefore drinking fluids days before the U/A is of no help.


Home tests are only accurate if the first urination of the day is being used. The assays used at the lab are no more accurate than the home testing kits, since they function on the same principle.

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Originally Posted by Burnt Toast

Niacin is an old myth. It does nothing to rid the body of THC.

There is no product that can rid the body of THC. Only time and exercise can do this.


Anytime you burn fat cells, the stored THC metabolites are released back into the bloodstream. The kidneys filter the THC metabolites from the bloodstream and deposits them in the bladder. THC does not burn away with the fat cells.
For this reason, all exercise should be avoided 3 days before the U/A. Youd want to go into "storage mode" - be lazy as possible to prevent a bunch of THC metabolites from being released, which will end up in the urine to be detected.

Drinking fluids only dilutes the THCA concentration thats present in the bladder. The idea is to "thin out" the THCA concentration just enough for the urine sample to register below the cutoff thresholds of the drug screen. This action is only temporary. Once the fluids ingested had been voided out, the dirty donor will resume testing positive for THC. Drinking fluids has no effect on GFR (the rate of which THCA is filtered from the bloodstream by the kidneys), so therefore drinking fluids days before the U/A is of no help.


Home tests are only accurate if the first urination of the day is being used. The assays used at the lab are no more accurate than the home testing kits, since they function on the same principle.

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BZZT! your system. That means exercise, otherwise those metabolites interfere with other processes, mainly vitamin absorption, and that will destroy your chances of passing a drug test.

5 years probation, never stopped smoking. Tested CONSTANTLY since my probation was an out of state transfer.

Take the niacin, exercise, drink water, boost your metabolism, and burn lipids out and thus remove THC from your system (otherwise it's just a slow release as your body slowly metabolizes it, and you'll be left with a constantly-detectable level of drugs in your system,) and eat plenty of soluble fiber. This is how you detox your body.

The joys of having dated a doctor.

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Originally Posted by khyberkitsune

BZZT! your system. That means exercise, otherwise those metabolites interfere with other processes, mainly vitamin absorption, and that will destroy your chances of passing a drug test.

5 years probation, never stopped smoking. Tested CONSTANTLY since my probation was an out of state transfer.

Take the niacin, exercise, drink water, boost your metabolism, and burn lipids out and thus remove THC from your system (otherwise it's just a slow release as your body slowly metabolizes it, and you'll be left with a constantly-detectable level of drugs in your system,) and eat plenty of soluble fiber. This is how you detox your body.

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BZZT! Do your research! Because if you had done your research on how the human body processes THC, youd understand that having your metabolism in high gear so close to test time (as the OP is experiencing) will do more harm than good.

Again, whenever fat cells are burned, the stored THC metabolites are released back into the bloodstream. They are only "removed" from the body via excretion thru the urine, the bowels, and to a very miniscule extent, sweat.

Its very irresponsible of you to advise someone (particularly with a job riding on the outcome of a U/A) to kick their metabolism in high gear when their scheduled U/A is just right around the corner. Again, do your research before giving advice that can cause someone to lose their job, or worse, end up in jail.

So what would you suggest I do Burnt Toast? Eat fatty and be lazy for the next week? I know if you "starve" yourself, as in eating inconsistent and far apart meals, your body tends to go into "storage mode."

This has just taken me by such surprise..I figured 30 days would be plenty of time for a young person (I'm 24)

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Originally Posted by OldManNoPants

So what would you suggest I do Burnt Toast? Eat fatty and be lazy for the next week?

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Do this step at least 3-5 days before your scheduled U/A. And seriously consider subbing, even though you may be taking a physical. Theres many posts in the forums of persons pulling off a successful sub while undergoing a physical. Utilize N2's Dilution recipe (the "Sticky" thread) as a backup in case for some reason you cannot obtain a clean substituted sample. Just be sure when utilizing any dilution techniques, you start your creatine-loading 3 days before the U/A to allow time for the body to metabolize the creatine into creatinine (the end waste product found in urine in which the labs check in determining an overdiluted sample).

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This has just taken me by such surprise..I figured 30 days would be plenty of time for a young person (I'm 24)

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The 30-day rule does not apply to everyone. In fact, its not all uncommon for frequent users to take longer than 30 days to finally test negative naturally. The longest ever reported was 105 days. Of course this person was a longtime heavy user, weighed in on the wrong side of 350 pounds, and indulged in zero physical activity.

Hey Burnt,

I see where FBR is very adamant about drinking lots of fluids before in the days before a test being a waste of time IF one was already properly hydrated, but I got to thinking.

I have never been one to drink adequate amounts of water in a given day. Normally, it's either sweet tea or coke for me. There's not a doubt in my mind that I haven't been properly hydrated in a long time. In my instance of being 31 days clean now but failed a home test last night, would it be beneficial in my case to chug water and cranberry juice due to my consistent lack of hydration?

Anyone else knowledge, please feel free to chime in.

Oh yeah, I've been searching the forums using the search function and trying different combination of words and such, but I'm having trouble finding anyone who has commented on substituting while also having a physical done.

For your own health benefit, it would be wise to increase your fluids, but I've been told ( By Burnt Toast) that a signifigant increase in fluids before a test will seriously dilute your urine...which labs consider an automatic fail.

Not sure if that helps, but that's what I was told.:)

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Originally Posted by khyberkitsune

Take the niacin, exercise, drink water, boost your metabolism, and burn lipids out and thus remove THC from your system (otherwise it's just a slow release as your body slowly metabolizes it, and you'll be left with a constantly-detectable level of drugs in your system,) and eat plenty of soluble fiber. This is how you detox your body.

The joys of having dated a doctor.

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To be blunt (no pun intended) most doctors don't know shit when it comes to THC and how to rid the body of it, I know, I am a PA for one. The only ones who know any factual information are the ones who have or still smoke themselves. Niacin does't do a thing in helping expedite the unloading of THC from your system. You are better off taking up smoking cigarettes if you want a sedentary boost to your metabolism but I am not suggesting anyone do that :) Exercise will trump any secondary metabolism boosting tricks tenfold so there is really no benefit in taking niacin if you aren't already taking it.

Yep, I'm definitely planning to increasing overall hydration for general quality of life, but it's just a thought I had. I realize all of this is just a shot in the dark, but now I realllly wish I had been working out these past 30 days.

Again, anyone have successful stories of substituting urine with a physical involved?

Compounding the situation, I don't really know what's going to happen next Tuesday..All I've been told is that i'll show up at 8, get me in the classroom to go through this couple hour long training session, then send me to the doctor "at some point" to get a physical and a drug test. Sigh.

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Originally Posted by Burnt Toast

BZZT! Do your research! Because if you had done your research on how the human body processes THC, youd understand that having your metabolism in high gear so close to test time (as the OP is experiencing) will do more harm than good.

Again, whenever fat cells are burned, the stored THC metabolites are released back into the bloodstream. They are only "removed" from the body via excretion thru the urine, the bowels, and to a very miniscule extent, sweat.

Its very irresponsible of you to advise someone (particularly with a job riding on the outcome of a U/A) to kick their metabolism in high gear when their scheduled U/A is just right around the corner. Again, do your research before giving advice that can cause someone to lose their job, or worse, end up in jail.

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Yea, I did my research. That's exactly why I passed my UA every single time for FIVE YEARS STRAIGHT.

Want the TOMIS number to check with the Tennessee and Mississippi databases? #10000363700. They have all records of all tests. Call for probation officer John White or Otis Thomas at the Memphis Tennessee Department of Probation and Parole.

Enjoy.

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Originally Posted by khyberkitsune

Yea, I did my research. That's exactly why I passed my UA every single time for FIVE YEARS STRAIGHT.

Want the TOMIS number to check with the Tennessee and Mississippi databases? #10000363700. They have all records of all tests. Call for probation officer John White or Otis Thomas at the Memphis Tennessee Department of Probation and Parole.

Enjoy.

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Oh please. Like your test results and your POs are going to state how youve passed your test.:rolleyes:

Your anecdotal account in no way, shape, or form adds up to scientific fact. If everything in the world were to be based upon "personal experience", it would be a pretty sad existence.

In drug testing forum, we tend to stick with factual info. Non-facts can quickly land an uninformed reader (that would assume what youre passing off as "fact") in the unemployment line or jail. If you dont like the idea that the poster is held to such a high standard of fact, well thats too bad. Thats how it is here and shall remain. And if that idea is somehow not your cup of tea, then perhaps the drug testing forum is not for you.
The drug testing forum is not a playground. Drug testing is a serious issue because careers, families, and freedoms are hinging on the outcome and factual info is vital.

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Originally Posted by khyberkitsune

Yea, I did my research. That's exactly why I passed my UA every single time for FIVE YEARS STRAIGHT.

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Like BT said, the last thing you want to do the day or two before you piss is to burn a bunch of fat. You want shut your metabolism down as much as you can and eat a high fat diet to help your body go into THC hoarding mode.

Ok guys, update time:

I have managed to weasel my way into roughly a 1 week extension. Sooo, instead of the test being this coming Tuesday (the 27th) it will a week later on the 3rd or so. So that gives me roughly 12-13 days from now. I understand about the not working out right before a UA, but given this increase in time, shouldn't I be trying to burn off what I can?

By test day it will have been well over 40 days...geez, hurry up body. I'm tired of being stressed.

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Originally Posted by OldManNoPants

Ok guys, update time:

I have managed to weasel my way into roughly a 1 week extension. Sooo, instead of the test being this coming Tuesday (the 27th) it will a week later on the 3rd or so. So that gives me roughly 12-13 days from now. I understand about the not working out right before a UA, but given this increase in time, shouldn't I be trying to burn off what I can?

By test day it will have been well over 40 days...geez, hurry up body. I'm tired of being stressed.

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You can go ahead and diet/exercise, but stop on the 30th and check your efforts with a THC test kit (be sure to use the first urination of the day). If youre still testing positive, stop all fat-burning activities and go ahead and utilize the remaining days to start loading on creatine and make other preparations for the Dilution method to be used on the day of the scheduled U/A.
Still, make an effort to acquire a clean urine sample for subbing.

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Originally Posted by webdox

Like BT said, the last thing you want to do the day or two before you piss is to burn a bunch of fat. You want shut your metabolism down as much as you can and eat a high fat diet to help your body go into THC hoarding mode.

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Show me your medical license, please.

When your metabolism isn't in gear, your body is unable to rid itself of the THC stored in lipids IN THE BLOODSTREAM.

You'll fail the test anyways.

I'll trust my doctors that saved my life over anything all of you say. Maybe if you bothered talking to a doctor (and a Physician's ASSISTANT doesn't even have the extra 8 years of education required for a PhD so that opinion doesn't count either.)

I'll bet you just didn't follow proper instructions for detoxification. It is a fairly common thing to have happen.

Also, since you apparently know nothing about me, let me give you a hint: with my ectomorphic body type, niacin is the PERFECT solution for UA passing. Why? Because we have very little body fat in the first place in which to store THC.

You may continue talking when you have the same education as my doctors, the very same people that rebuilt my skeleton.

To call them fools shows your absolute lack of education on the subject.

Can we please stop turning this into a pissing match (no pun intended) about who's doctor knows more about what??

Christ, effing 80% of this thread is eaten up with bickering.

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Yea, I did my research.

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Also, since you apparently know nothing about me, let me give you a hint: with my ectomorphic body type, niacin is the PERFECT solution for UA passing. Why? Because we have very little body fat in the first place in which to store THC.

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ALL humans have fat cells for THC to be stored in regardless if they show body fat or not.

I challenge you to provide proof in the form of linked sources that specifically state that niacin has an effect on the metabolization of THC. I wish you luck on that because youre damn sure going to need it.

wow, this is my first post but i've been a lurker for quite some time and it seems that some people don't want opposing ideas without getting all preachy and shit about how serious this is freedom,job ,and all that crap. sometimes the good info gets lost in the bicthin. feel like i am reading excerpts of the VIEW. dont know about niacin but i just got a call today stating i passed piss test with dilution,creatine and metamucil. all i know is it worked for me. dont know if it will work for you and THATS THE FACT JACK

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Originally Posted by khyberkitsune

Show me your medical license, please.

When your metabolism isn't in gear, your body is unable to rid itself of the THC stored in lipids IN THE BLOODSTREAM.

You'll fail the test anyways.

I'll trust my doctors that saved my life over anything all of you say. Maybe if you bothered talking to a doctor (and a Physician's ASSISTANT doesn't even have the extra 8 years of education required for a PhD so that opinion doesn't count either.)

I'll bet you just didn't follow proper instructions for detoxification. It is a fairly common thing to have happen.

Also, since you apparently know nothing about me, let me give you a hint: with my ectomorphic body type, niacin is the PERFECT solution for UA passing. Why? Because we have very little body fat in the first place in which to store THC.

You may continue talking when you have the same education as my doctors, the very same people that rebuilt my skeleton.

To call them fools shows your absolute lack of education on the subject.

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You have completely marginalized yourself and are now summarily dismissed. Buh bye now and enjoy your woeful bliss.

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Originally Posted by lopokets

wow, this is my first post but i've been a lurker for quite some time and it seems that some people don't want opposing ideas without getting all preachy and shit about how serious this is freedom,job ,and all that crap. sometimes the good info gets lost in the bicthin. feel like i am reading excerpts of the VIEW. dont know about niacin but i just got a call today stating i passed piss test with dilution,creatine and metamucil. all i know is it worked for me. dont know if it will work for you and THATS THE FACT JACK

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Exactly right. Would you please go into detail about what you did specifically? Theories aside, it's presently my ass on the line right now. :)

well it helps knowing when the test is. the test was @ 3pm on the 21. i woke up @ 7am pissed and promptly chugged 1 liter of water with 2 tblsp of mucil and i think 2tblsp of creatine powder. i dropped my first piss at around 7:45 followed by another 16 oz of water and 2 slices of whole grain bread(to give the mucil something to work with). i pissed again at 8:20 and notice it was getting clearer. i proceeded to piss on a regular but each time i did i followed with 10 to 16 oz of water. (be careful with the water. too much of anything is dangerous) around 2pm i popped 2 b12(to yellow up the piss) and was on my way to test. after stopping at a Mcd's to piss i arrived at 2:40 and dropped some mid strean piss in the cup. they called me today and asked if i could start mon. mind you i didnt smoke for 2 days prior but b4 that i was a daily user( and i hated those 2 days)as i stated this worked for me, but the only sure way of passing is substitution or complete abstinance. damn what everybody else is saying.

Thanks for the info, lopokets!

I'm like 35 days clean as of now. Haven't piss tested myself since monday night (which was a fail), though. I was gonna take it easy this weekend and test myself maybe on monday and see if I did any good.

I'll keep you guys posted.

Update...

Tested myself again today. It's been one week since I last tested and approximately 37 days without smoking.

Big fat failure.

For what it's worth..there was the SLIGHTEST oh so faint shadow that appeared next to the T on the testing strip, but I can't see it in a photograph.

You be the judge.

Man oh man..I hope this next week cleans me out..44 effing days by then..5'11 175..gimme a break.

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Originally Posted by OldManNoPants

For what it's worth..there was the SLIGHTEST oh so faint shadow that appeared next to the T on the testing strip, but I can't see it in a photograph.

You be the judge.

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Hi, I'm a new member and after reading lots on the internet, reading many posts, and currently testing at home too in prep for a test. It appears to me you are testing for a "natural" clean reading?

I was clean 3 years, got an 8th, then smoked almost every day for 17 days (but only 2-3 tokes, albeit good stuff). Stopped 5 days ago. Yes, currently my first piss of day - fail. But if I dilute (just water/gatorade/vitamins) for just a few hours, I get negative (pass) readings on the home dip test.

My point is have you tried a diluted test? If you dilute well then you should see at least see a negative (pass) result. At least you will be able to tell the difference. The extended directions on my home kit tests say "*NOTE: The shade of red in the test line region (T) will vary, but it should be considered negative when there is even a Faint pink line."

And heck, it seems to me that if all the lab is doing is the same thing (I will have to go to Quest) you are doing, then start practicing for just some dilution and quit sweating it. You might still be hovering naturally just above the 50 cutoff, but it shouldn't take but a little internal liquids to overcome that last hurdle?

Just a thought...

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Originally Posted by redleader

Hi, I'm a new member and after reading lots on the internet, reading many posts, and currently testing at home too in prep for a test. It appears to me you are testing for a "natural" clean reading?

I was clean 3 years, got an 8th, then smoked almost every day for 17 days (but only 2-3 tokes, albeit good stuff). Stopped 5 days ago. Yes, currently my first piss of day - fail. But if I dilute (just water/gatorade/vitamins) for just a few hours, I get negative (pass) readings on the home dip test.

My point is have you tried a diluted test? If you dilute well then you should see at least see a negative (pass) result. At least you will be able to tell the difference. The extended directions on my home kit tests say "*NOTE: The shade of red in the test line region (T) will vary, but it should be considered negative when there is even a Faint pink line."

And heck, it seems to me that if all the lab is doing is the same thing (I will have to go to Quest) you are doing, then start practicing for just some dilution and quit sweating it. You might still be hovering naturally just above the 50 cutoff, but it shouldn't take but a little internal liquids to overcome that last hurdle?

Just a thought...

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Excellent points and you're right, I've just been testing myself naturally with limited water intake. The next test I take in a few days I was planning on drinking a couple of glasses of water..not enough to be considered true "dilution" like N2's thread, but hopefully enough to spread out the concentration of metabolites without throwing the specific gravity and creatinine levels out of whack.

Is this what you're talking about? A semi-dilution type scenario? I think it was Burnt Toast or FakeBoobsRule that was talking about a given amount of water reduces a metabolite count in a given parts per million or whatever of a urine sample.

What are your thoughts on the synthetic urine being tested for other ailments? As in, during the physical, I assume some pee will be used for drug testing and the rest will be used for protein counts etc. I'm assuming since people have used QuickFix for insurance physicals to hide preexisting conditions that it will work for me in an employment physical.

SO are you saying a few hours I should drink water,gatorade, and b-12? I need to take a test also. I've been clean since may 6th, 2010. I took the same test ans a line appears faintly and the right side is light red but it says that any line and faint color is considered a week negative but a passing negative. So what should I do? I'm 5'8, 208 lbs and have stoped working out but eat a lot of salads, teas, fish, chicken?

Yes OldMan, exactly, practice how much you need to dilute to pass right now, even if you have a little more time to clean out. Just give you more peace of mind. And it would be far better to be labeled "inconclusive" then "fail". The first void of the day is always the worst, although I know that's why you're testing it - to check the worst case scenario. But it's also not what you will submit, right?

etmrktgbrandon - I am 98% certain you are good to go if you have abstained for 80+ days. But flushing a few healthy doses of Gatorade during the 2 or so hours leading up to the test would be a little extra insurance and doubtful to be flagged as too weak a sample.

All of the tests I have seen myself plus training videos, the (T) line is never as dark as the (C) line.

I recommend general to mild dilution to anyone anytime - no harm in it. Although it certainly doesn't always mean it's the cure-all if you smoked yesterday. I prefer afternoon test samples rather than morning samples to be as far from the morning startup as possible. But whatever time period is best for you to control your intake I suppose.

Sorry, I don't know enough about QuickFix to comment on that scenario.

goodluck :) I shall be watching for the results.
Im in a similar situation, smoked for years daily then gave up just a week ago... so the hard..er part is over.. now im getting into THC extraction mode :P My docter/physical medical test for employment is in 5 weeks so by then ill be 6 weeks clean.. hopefully... maybe... :)
I have to get a urinalysis or however its spelt. Im not sure if thats the normal drug test thing ? Im going to start exercising heaps for the next month and eat fruit and lots of cranberry juice. then do the diluting and see how it goes. I was thinking about the subbing method... sounds to risky seems
I dont realy no how they do the testing or what they are looking for specificly. Lots of info for ppl in USA, not so much for us in AUS :(

Theres like 1000 threads on this sort of thing and noone ever ends up saying what happens in the end. I assume that means it didnt go well :P
But yeah if you could let us know your results that would be great.

And again goodluck :)

Ok well I used to smoke like 3 to 4 times a day. So I've been clean as of may 6th or 7th. I had to quit smoking for my new born because we almost lost him and made a pat wih god to quit. So please what do you think I should do? I took another test this morning and the same results.SO if the line appears faint is that a negative? I need this job times are hard and I need to support my family. Thank you all for your input.

Hello everyone,


First time I post, just joined. I was searching the web because I might be screened for THC soon. I haven't smoked for three weeks now, and the home tests that I've done show a really really really faint red line... which I assume would count as positive, since it's almost invisible compared to the control line. However - my upcoming UA would be pre employment. It's in the UK. I've never done this before and just assume it might be done. However, I haven't been notified, since I haven't had the last interview yet. I do believe I will get an offer onsite. So, my question is, are there any praxis with regards to notifying the candidate for pre employment THC tests?

To sum it up: I've got my last interview soon, which will most likely render an offer, in which case I guess they want me to start work a.s.a.p (perhaps even within a few days). So, if they'd do any tests, I guess they might as well do them there and then, since I have to travel very far to get to the offices, and that they wont get any more opportunities to do this test until I start, if I get an offer an accept. And I think it would be strange to let me do a test like that after I've moved to a new city, just for this job.

So, I guess my question is how probable you guys think it is that I have to do a test after the interviews (I kind of perhaps naively hope that the general policy is to notify the subject at least a week in advance etc).


Thanks for a good thread.

Update:

Monday Night (08/02) I drank roughly 20-25 ounces of water, peed once, then gave myself an at home drug test. Urine was extremely clear. I dunno if it would have passed dilution standards, BUT I was somewhat relieved that I could pass in some capacity. This was 44 days clean.

Tuesday Morning (08/03) I took a second drug test with my second void of the morning. Very yellow, first of the morning pee. Failed for THC at 45 days clean.

Pot is extremely overrated given the stress I've had to endure. The real deal is tomorrow.

Good luck, OldMan. All digits crossed for ya! :thumbsup:

Howd ya go OldMan ?

In similar situ so verrrry eager to find out.

hopefully it was all good for ya :)