Can an acupuncturist serve as a board member for a growers application?

Does anyone know if a DOM (Doctor of Oriental medicine--acupuncture physician) can serve on a board as the required doctor for the grower/producer application?

Also can a person working in a growing operation qualify as one of the medical marijuana card holders on the board?

Thanks!

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Originally Posted by sylvan

Does anyone know if a DOM (Doctor of Oriental medicine--acupuncture physician) can serve on a board as the required doctor for the grower/producer application?

Also can a person working in a growing operation qualify as one of the medical marijuana card holders on the board?

Thanks!

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Any MD or PA that is certified to prescribe medication in NM can recommend MMJ.

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Originally Posted by coolslayer

Any MD or PA that is certified to prescribe medication in NM can recommend MMJ.

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... also nurse practitioners have prescriptive authority, and can recommend patients to the program. :thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by sylvan

Does anyone know if a DOM (Doctor of Oriental medicine--acupuncture physician) can serve on a board as the required doctor for the grower/producer application?

Also can a person working in a growing operation qualify as one of the medical marijuana card holders on the board?

Thanks!

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Unfortunately No.

Uncool! any medical professional should be all that is required

Nope - Only those who can prescribe meds can be the all-important medical person on the board- i.e. no acupuncturists, aroma therapists, etc... I see the DOH's point; they had to draw the line somewhere.:cool:

Be aware you do not have to prescribe drugs as a Chiropractor does not and can sit on the board.

GREAT! way to through down the race card, This type of nonsense is why people frown on the medical cannabis program, the medicinal use of cannabis has ZERO to do with race,you sir are foolish to interject this subject into the medical cannabis community.

I thought the name of the site was Cannibis.com not MMJ.com

Here's what the regulation states:

TITLE 7 HEALTH CHAPTER 34 MEDICAL USE OF MARIJUANA
PART 4 LICENSING REQUIREMENTS FOR PRODUCERS, PRODUCTION FACILTIES AND DISTRIBUTION

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(D)(4)...verification that the board of the non-profit includes, at a minimum, one (1) physician, a nurse or other health care provider, and three (3) patients currently qualified under the Lynn and Erin Compassionate Use Act;

I guess it all depends on the legal definition of "Health Care Provider,: there is a list of Definitions in the Act, above the other language, but it doesn't define "health care provider." They really should add this to their definitions, I just assumed it had to be someone who can prescribe meds, now I have no idea.....?!:(

The regulations state "other health care provider"

Jeff Marshall
Medical Cannabis Program
1190 St. Francis Dr Suite S-1306
Santa Fe, NM 87505
Medical Cannabis Program - Infectious Disease Bureau

I asked that specific question as I had a Chiropractor willing to be the medical person on the board. That is the reply from the Head Honcho himself.

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Originally Posted by personified

I thought the name of the site was Cannibis.com not MMJ.com

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It is,but you are currently posting in the NM MMJ section.

As usual you are correct.

However I think this is related to the question.

Cool or Not Cool?

I appreciate the info. I got from everyones responses. Thank you!

I do feel that it would only be fitting for doctors with herbal training to be allowed on the boards (naturopathic docs, acupuncutists, homeopathists etc.) MD's aren't trained in herbs, but since marijuana is harmless they won't be causing damage by thier lack of knowledge at least. It's good to hear that a chiropractor has been approved-- there is hope that other holistic docs may also get approval:thumbsup:. It may take work to break ground for it though.

I have a group of business men I ride with (Harleys and one communist that rides a Gold Wing) One owns 4 Health Centers in Tucson which sell vitamins and organic foods a retired Chiropractor he is in favor.

One of his ex-partners is a Chiropractor and a Naturopath MD (which is really rare) he does agree their is medicinal benefits. He does lectures around the world and anyone that keeps their Naturopath license once a year has to submit a study which he decides if it is a pass or go.

Unfortunately he says he would not recommend it for anyone he would go with other holistic methods. In his clinic there is an acupuncturist which I have used for a dislocated shoulder I believe he is in favor.

My Chiropractor which I referred to as my board member is in total favor and the reason he was willing to be a board member.

So not all natural healers are in favor just like any other profession it will depend on personal experiences until the stigma goes away.

So the question becomes: does the State of New Mexico Dept. of Health consider an accupuncturist a "health care provider?" :wtf:

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Originally Posted by ScaredasHell

So the question becomes: does the State of New Mexico Dept. of Health consider an accupuncturist a "health care provider?" :wtf:

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In my mind it would depend on if they are an MD as not all acupuncturists are. The one I used was however that is not always the case.

When in doubt do not rely on the bar stool lawyers in the forum that think they know how to interpret the law. Send NMDOH an email to 1) Dominick V. Zurlo [email protected] or 2) Jeff Marshall, [email protected]

I suggest the [email protected] to follow the chain of command before going to the top. Personal experience it takes longer to get the director to answer I am sure he is very busy.

Some days they get back within hours some times within days. You must realize your dealing with a overwhelmed government agency so patience is a virtue.

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Originally Posted by personified

In my mind it would depend on if they are an MD as not all acupuncturists are. The one I used was however that is not always the case.

When in doubt do not rely on the bar stool lawyers in the forum that think they know how to interpret the law. Send NMDOH an email to 1) Dominick V. Zurlo [email protected] or 2) Jeff Marshall, [email protected]

I suggest the [email protected] to follow the chain of command before going to the top. Personal experience it takes longer to get the director to answer I am sure he is very busy.

Some days they get back within hours some times within days. You must realize your dealing with a overwhelmed government agency so patience is a virtue.

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The answer is no, unless the Dr. is licensed to prescribe narcotic medications. Chiropractors are can not prescribe narcotic medications, unless they happen to be a doctor who is also a chiropractor.

Also, Jeff Marshall no longer works at the DOH

Cool!

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Originally Posted by medicalPatient

The answer is no, unless the Dr. is licensed to prescribe narcotic medications. Chiropractors are can not prescribe narcotic medications, unless they happen to be a doctor who is also a chiropractor.

Also, Jeff Marshall no longer works at the DOH

Cool!

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Is a Chiropractor a licensed MD? WOW Yes he is you can tell by his initials. D.C. DOCTOR of CHIROPRACTICS.

Here is my email to them and then the response.

Hello again,

First let me say thank you for your quick response. Second I have some additional questions as I read through the requirements to establish economic feasibility, and license privilege vs revocation.



1) Are public dispensers allowed or is the product to be delivered directly to the patient?

2) Is it wise to have a dispensary if it is allowed? I am afraid the Federal Government may construe this as blatant disregard or flaunting.

3) If a dispensary is allowed (wise) can the production and distribution be at different locations for additional security?

4) Can a producer sell product to other producers/dispensaries?

5) Can a producer also sell supplies for home growth such as light and hydroponics equipment?

6) Can a producer give classes on growing for those who whish to be self-sufficient?

7) Can a home growth supplier sell seeds and seedlings to Medical Marijuana Patients for home growth?

8) Does the physician on the board (not one that prescribes or recommends) have to be registered and active in NM?

9) Can Chiropractors, also known as doctors of chiropractic or chiropractic physicians qualify as a â??physicianâ?� on the non-profit board?

10) Is there a set ratio of producers to patients?

11) What is the current number of registered patients in NM?

12) What is the number of Producers in NM

13) Are the applications of currently approved producerâ??s public record that can be viewed with confidential information blacked out? The purpose is to use the methods as an accepted and successful model not for gathering information on the producer.

14) If a personal loan is necessary from a bank, private entity or individual for start up costs are they considered an interest that needs to be listed?

15) If the site location is leased does the landlord have to be listed as a business interest that needs to be listed?

16) Is an on-site finger print identification vending machine an acceptable means of distribution? Assuming prior documentation has been verified and documented in association with the finger print of the patient?

17) Does the state dictate pricing for product?

18) What is the current state tax rate on product?



Dear Mr. Anderson,
I will again answer the questions in the order presented:
1. it is up to the non-profit to propose safe methods of dispensing
2. you would need to consult with legal experts regarding this issue.
3. again, it is up tot eh non-profit to propose safe methods/facilities.
4. No
5. the regulations do not mention this.
6. the regulations specifically require information on how the producer will educate patients.
7. the regulations state nothing about seeds
8. the regulations do not specify.
9. the regulations state "other health care provider"
10. No
11. it is almost 1200
12. 5 are currently licensed
13. Yes, redacted copies are available for $.25 a page. there are currently 33 applications in process or licensed.
14. Yes
15. yes
16. The non-profit must propose methods, and evaluating them is a part of the review process.
17. No
18. it varies from county and city...please refer to local authorities for those rates.

The above are the answers number 9 was the answer. SO... I will go with the answer I received from them. Only because they are the licensing decision maker.

Yes I know DCs cannot prescribe drugs that has nothing to do with it. There are many "other health care providers" that cannot prescribe. If you still admittedly believe this then please quote it from the compassionate act.

With your reasoning if a prescription was necessary we in Az have already passed MMJ twice unfortuantely the wording was a doctor had to prescribe MMJ.

That is what stopped it from taking affect the last time as the DEA is the licensing body that gives doctors the right to prescribe. The DEA stated immediately that if you prescribe a schedule 1 substance and you will lose your license.

Thank you for sharing.
I think the question is misleading and your answer is both correct and incorrect at the same time... depending on the chiropractor.

"Health care provider" is a loose term the DOH likes to use. Don't be fooled by the use of this word.
If you submit a recommendation from a straight Chiropractor, it will be declined. Chiropractors can NOT write prescriptions for narcotic medications.

If you submit the same recommendation from a Chiropractor who is ALSO a doctor or health care professional that CAN prescribe narcotics, your application could be granted (depending on all other factors).

Again not picking bones, just trying to help.
I know because I submitted a recommendation from my Chiropractor two years ago, and it was denied.

That was the response on 2-17-10 again from Jeff Marshall the head honco at the time if he is no longer there.

I have not been in touch since March as I have been to slammed with my computer business to even worry about it.

you guys appear to be talking about two different things.

Any health care provider can sit on the board of the nonprofit producer, but only practitioners with prescriptive authority can write the recommendation to use medical cannabis.

apples and oranges, dudes... :stoned:

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Originally Posted by deserthealer

you guys appear to be talking about two different things.

Any health care provider can sit on the board of the nonprofit producer, but only practitioners with prescriptive authority can write the recommendation to use medical cannabis.

apples and oranges, dudes... :stoned:

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I am talking about board members,

1) Are public dispensers allowed or is the product to be delivered directly to the patient? Directly,no dispensers.

2) Is it wise to have a dispensary if it is allowed? I am afraid the Federal Government may construe this as blatant disregard or flaunting.
It's not allowed in NM.

3) If a dispensary is allowed (wise) can the production and distribution be at different locations for additional security?Not allowed,but the Producers can have an office separate from the grow op-----I recommend that.

4) Can a producer sell product to other producers/dispensaries?
I don't think so,at this time.

5) Can a producer also sell supplies for home growth such as light and hydroponics equipment? Not sure about that.

6) Can a producer give classes on growing for those who whish to be self-sufficient? Yes

7) Can a home growth supplier sell seeds and seedlings to Medical Marijuana Patients for home growth? Not at this time.

8) Does the physician on the board (not one that prescribes or recommends) have to be registered and active in NM? Not sure,but I would think so.

9) Can Chiropractors, also known as doctors of chiropractic or chiropractic physicians qualify as a â??physicianâ?� on the non-profit board? I would think so.

10) Is there a set ratio of producers to patients? No,but a conservative estimate is that each Producer can serve 100 patients.

11) What is the current number of registered patients in NM? About 2000,I think.

12) What is the number of Producers in NM? 5 currently operating, 6 new approvals that are not up and running yet. Total of 11 approved Producers.

13) Are the applications of currently approved producerâ??s public record that can be viewed with confidential information blacked out? The purpose is to use the methods as an accepted and successful model not for gathering information on the producer. Yes,do you want copies of them?

14) If a personal loan is necessary from a bank, private entity or individual for start up costs are they considered an interest that needs to be listed? I would think so.

15) If the site location is leased does the landlord have to be listed as a business interest that needs to be listed? I would think so.

16) Is an on-site finger print identification vending machine an acceptable means of distribution? Assuming prior documentation has been verified and documented in association with the finger print of the patient? No.

17) Does the state dictate pricing for product? No,but the pricing must not be too low,as they are scared patients will resell the product at a profit.

18) What is the current state tax rate on product? Not sure.