34 days and still not clean..

I did what I thought was impossible, I quit smoking. I did this at the end of may, now the end of june I'm still not clean. I started my new job last week, and have a drug test coming up this week so I bought a test and a VERY VERY faint line showed up so I know I'm close but I still feel uncomfortable using my own urine. Last week I bought some Dr greens Agent X, I have read good reviews about it but since I got it I've been keeping it warm everyday since I don't know the exact date the test will happen and it could be random. My main question, is the synthetic urine good after its been heated once or should I go try to find more? I'm extremely nervous about this because I moved hundreds of miles from everyone I know and signed a lease at a place I'll be unable to afford without this job and losing the position would be beyond catastrophic.

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Originally Posted by rolla91

I did what I thought was impossible, I quit smoking. I did this at the end of may, now the end of june I'm still not clean. I started my new job last week, and have a drug test coming up this week so I bought a test and a VERY VERY faint line showed up so I know I'm close but I still feel uncomfortable using my own urine. Last week I bought some Dr greens Agent X, I have read good reviews about it but since I got it I've been keeping it warm everyday since I don't know the exact date the test will happen and it could be random. My main question, is the synthetic urine good after its been heated once or should I go try to find more? I'm extremely nervous about this because I moved hundreds of miles from everyone I know and signed a lease at a place I'll be unable to afford without this job and losing the position would be beyond catastrophic.

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Why are you so worried about a faint line on your home test? Faint lines using the first void of the day are as good as passing a lab test. Synthetic is manufactured to be reheated as many times as possible. This way you can practice as much as you want. Test yourself with the first void of the day and if you pass(faint line or solid) you will be fine to pass the lab test.

I guess I'm mostly worried because if I fail I'm beyond f*ckd. The line was so faint that at first I didnt even notice it was there at all. It just seems like it could still be considered a fail if it is that faint couldn't it?

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Originally Posted by rolla91

I guess I'm mostly worried because if I fail I'm beyond f*ckd. The line was so faint that at first I didnt even notice it was there at all. It just seems like it could still be considered a fail if it is that faint couldn't it?

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Not necessarily, if you can photograph or photocopy it, and its still visible then your good. Did you use the first void of the day?

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It was the second of the day, the first was about 8 hours prior to taking the test. At first I couldn't even make out a line and i was pissed and just tossed it in the trash, then I dug it out later and noticed a faint line had appeared.

Hey rolla, two questions.

1) Were you an average everyday user?

2) Have you not done anything in the past 34 to try and get clean such as excersize and what not?

I was a pretty average to heavy everyday user, I drank a detox drink that people swore by. Other than that I just lived life normally thinking I would be fine in 20-30 days

Anyone look at the test picture? Every other test that I have taken and was clean for the line showed up very solid and easily visible where this one is not so visible. Like I said previously, if I can't pass this I'm beyond f*ckd and will go into some major debt and probably even legal troubles.

Its ironic that the best drug for you (health wise) is the longest to get out of your system.

Hey rolla, you just took away the butterflies that have been in my stomach for the past 22 hours. I got 30 days to get clean, but i'm on Metamucil and pissing like a freight train, so I guess I will definitely be good! THANKS!!!

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Hey rolla, you just took away the butterflies that have been in my stomach for the past 22 hours. I got 30 days to get clean, but i'm on Metamucil and pissing like a freight train, so I guess I will definitely be good! THANKS!!!

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So does that mean my test appears to be clean enough? I still have my butterflies. I probably won't feel relieved until I know I've passed the test and can get on with my life. I love smoking but love working and having a nice place to live even more.

Well I mean a faint line on your first void isn't really too bad, but you need to try on a 2nd or even 3rd void and see how it is then.

Like I said in my earlier post, that was the second of the day.

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Originally Posted by rolla91

Like I said in my earlier post, that was the second of the day.

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You need to do one using the first void of the day if you have time. If your still getting a faint line then your good to go. Have your read the dilution thread at the top of the drug testing forum?

yeah I've read it. Since I'm obviously pretty close to clean dilution would probably be better than substitution with a synthetic right? I've already been drinking a lot of water today because its really hot outside here.

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yeah I've read it. Since I'm obviously pretty close to clean dilution would probably be better than substitution with a synthetic right? I've already been drinking a lot of water today because its really hot outside here.

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Yea I think your going to be fine using the Dilution method, but you will want to remember to start loading Creatine(supplement or red meat)3-4 days before the test. This will get your validity levels up to par so that you don't produce a negative dilute test result.

Also, I'm off today so the test won't be today so I'll test myself again in the morning on my first void and see what happens, I don't need to be at work until 12:30 so if its positive at 7 will I have enough time to sufficiently dilute by 12:30 or so. If the test doesn't happen tomorrow then I'll probably be golden since nothing will happen over the holiday weekend I'm sure and some places may even be closed on monday

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Yea I think your going to be fine using the Dilution method, but you will want to remember to start loading Creatine(supplement or red meat)3-4 days before the test. This will get your validity levels up to par so that you don't produce a negative dilute test result.

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The test could be as early as tomorrow afternoon. I already have been eating a lot of beef over the past few days, its about normal for me to eat beef once or twice a day

Also, thanks for the help and reassurance, it has been much needed.

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Also, I'm off today so the test won't be today so I'll test myself again in the morning on my first void and see what happens, I don't need to be at work until 12:30 so if its positive at 7 will I have enough time to sufficiently dilute by 12:30 or so. If the test doesn't happen tomorrow then I'll probably be golden since nothing will happen over the holiday weekend I'm sure and some places may even be closed on monday

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Yes, the 4-5 hours will be enough time to get yourself diluted and I would say your Creatine levels should be good. Well, good luck and just make sure you follow the dilution to a T and you should be fine.

Also, It seems that Gatorade as a substitute for water has always worked better. It helps with specific gravity(another validity test they use).

I tested again this afternoon and have one more test for tomorrow. I believe it tested negative because it is a VERY faint line like there was before but from reading the instructions with the kit it says ANY line no matter how faint is a negative result.

Is this true for labs too?

I'm still just contemplating whether I should be trying to substitute the Dr. Greens Agent X or if I should just take the chance with my own urine. I notice the Agent X has good reviews from what I've read but I've never used a synthetic, before when I subbed I used real human urine but I don't have access to that right now.

I hate the stress from all of this, I wish it was easier. Of all the horrible drugs that are made and of course the one least damaging to you is the most easily detected.

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Originally Posted by rolla91

I tested again this afternoon and have one more test for tomorrow. I believe it tested negative because it is a VERY faint line like there was before but from reading the instructions with the kit it says ANY line no matter how faint is a negative result.

Is this true for labs too?

I'm still just contemplating whether I should be trying to substitute the Dr. Greens Agent X or if I should just take the chance with my own urine. I notice the Agent X has good reviews from what I've read but I've never used a synthetic, before when I subbed I used real human urine but I don't have access to that right now.

I hate the stress from all of this, I wish it was easier. Of all the horrible drugs that are made and of course the one least damaging to you is the most easily detected.

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Synthetic urine would leave you no doubt on passing the test. If you have access to it I would highly recommend it. Ive heard good and bad things about Dr. Greens Agent X, its not as popular as Quick Fix. This is what we recommend and if you can find it, I highly suggest using it.

Even if it may be going to a lab? Won't the lab be able to differentiate between the two? What bad have you heard about agent x?

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Originally Posted by rolla91

Even if it may be going to a lab? Won't the lab be able to differentiate between the two? What bad have you heard about agent x?

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I just read a post in last couple days of someone failing using it, that's why I'm not 100% sold. Quick Fix has never failed unless someone didn't get the temperature right.

Not sure what you mean about the lab seeing differences in the too? Can you explain this more?

At a lab wouldn't the synthetic urine test different under GC or however they test it? I would hope it would pass a dip test but I'm unsure about it going to the lab.

This is how my last smoking went, I quit for a week, burned a dime of some low grade, then about may 21st I quit totally and didn't touch it after that. It was about the most difficult thing I've ever done because I had smoked religiously for five years prior to this.

If I continue to show a faint line that means its negative right? It shows in the instructions that a faint line is a weak negative and requires no further testing. It says things like ibuprofen, naproxen sodium, and other over the counter drugs can cause a weak negative.

Would the people at the lab let me pass if it shows weak negative and I say I've been taking over the counter pain medicine?

This whole situation is just absolutely stressful, I thought for sure after 30 days I would be clean. I accepted the job of my dreams knowing I would eventually have a urine test but was unsure of the time, I figured I would be testing clean as a whistle by then. So I moved, signed a lease at an expensive apartment that I will never be able to afford without this job and now my urine is questionable. It just feels like one of the worst situations I've ever put myself into.

Contrary to popular belief, there is no meaning attributed to the intensity of a line. A faint line in the "T" region is still a negative.


Even if an untrained tech were to misinterpret a faint line as a "non-negative", and sent the sample to the GC/MS for confirmation, the sample would still come back as a negative.

Burnttoast

You seem fairly well educated on the subject


So even thought my line is faint, from my understanding of your reply, it will still come back negative and is probably a better option than substituting with the synthetic agent X?

I'm sorry if I seem like a moron but the stress I've been facing is just killing me so I'm trying to find the best possible solution to my current problem.

Yep. As I stated, a faint line is a negative.

When testing yourself, always use the first void of the day when THCA concentrations would normally be at their highest and had not been affected by any fluid consumption (which would skew the test result) occuring during the course of the day.

If youre consistently testing negative with the first void of the day (again faint or bold line) then youre good to go. No need for any dilution or substitution. Just drink only enough fluids to where youre able to produce a sufficient amount of urine sample at the collection facility on the day of the U/A.

both of my tests were done at my second void of the day because I didn't wanna run to the local walmart at 4am for a test and I didnt keep them on hand, I will test in the morning on my first void.

So you dont believe I should try to drink water and dilute it any?

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both of my tests were done at my second void of the day because I didn't wanna run to the local walmart at 4am for a test and I didnt keep them on hand, I will test in the morning on my first void.

So you dont believe I should try to drink water and dilute it any?

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If youre going to test yourself tomorrow morning, dont drink any fluids beforehand. Better yet, stop any fluid consumption before you go to bed tonight so your bladder will be well-concentrated for your home test when you wake up tomorrow morning.

I meant tomorrow after my first void but before my U/A.

Also, thanks for taking the time out to help me and for giving me advice. It has been much needed and appreciated.

If the test comes back positive on my first void, which I hope is unlikely, what is the next best option?

I have the agent X synthetic and may be able to get my hands on some real human urine, and then diluting is also an option.

The test using my first void of the day came back positive but none of the other two tests did from yesterday on void two and the day before that on void two. F*CK

Do they ever make you remove your shoes before testing?

I tried to put it on my inner thigh but it seemed noticeable to me.

I could tape it to some "tighty whities" but I'm afraid it would make noise when I'm removing it.


I'm not even positive the test will be today because of the upcoming holiday weekend and the fact I don't even go to work until after lunch but I'm gonna take a real human specimen just to be on the safe side.

Hopefully all goes well.

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Do they ever make you remove your shoes before testing?

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Nope.

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I could tape it to some "tighty whities" but I'm afraid it would make noise when I'm removing it.

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Forget the tape. Simply wedge it behind your scrotum, then keep it in place with the tightys.

From N2's Substitution guidelines:

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IMHO the best place/way to crotch and carry the 2oz shampoo bottle/condom is to place it between your scrotum and anus. If you have any question as to where this spot is, stand up with your feet shoulder width apart. Reach down with your hand and cup your testicals. Note where your bird and ring fingers are touching. That is where you want to carry the bottle.

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If wedging it proves to be uncomfortable, you can try "sandwiching" the bottle between 2 pair of tightys. Depending on ambient temperature, you may want to attach a heatpak to the bottle, since the sandwiched bottle will not be in direct contact with body temp.

I modified a pair of shoes for my first test when I subbed to hold my little bottle, it worked well, I think I will use those or an ace bandage holding it on my inner thigh with a head pack, I tried the tighty idea and it didnt seem to work well and I'll have to drive from my place of employment to a remote test site I'm sure so I doubt I'll leave it in all day.

Thanks for all the info, Hopefully all goes well for me

Well I'm wearing the tight undies and got my modified shoes with me, I'm keeping the sample cool until I need it to hopefully maintain the integrity of it longer. I figure I'll heat it with a cup of coffee or a couple of heat packs when I need to. I'm afraid keeping it on me or in my car at 90+ degrees will degrade the sample sooner.

Nervous is an understatement.

They rescheduled the test for tomorrow morning. I tested myself again this morning on my first void and still no solid line showing so I feel my best bet is to sub. I have a urine sample that had been frozen within 30 minutes of collection and was kept on ice for the 1.5 hour trip here. I assume once thawed it will be good.

I plan to tuck it in my underwear and I was wondering if I should put a heat pack on it to keep it warm? I feel like I could cool it down but I won't be able to easily warm it more.

My heat pack says heats to 100*, Before when I subbed I stuck the urine bottle in my shoe wrapped in a heat pack and I didn't have any problems, it was slightly too warm but I just dipped the closed bottle into the toilet until it cooled some.

Does my plan sound okay? I know it worked before but my first test was done by a radiologist so I'm not even sure she read the temperature correctly.

How did it go Rolla? I'm in a similar situation as you. I'd also love to hear about the modified shoe method, as I'm facing a physical on the same visit as my drug test.