The Runaway General - Rolling Stone

The Runaway General

Stanley McChrystal, Obama's top commander in Afghanistan, has seized control of the war by never taking his eye off the real enemy: The wimps in the White House

By Michael Hastings
Jun 22, 2010 10:00 AM EDT


"How'd I get screwed into going to this dinner?" demands Gen. Stanley McChrystal. It's a Thursday night in mid-April, and the commander of all U.S. and NATO forces in Afghanistan is sitting in a four-star suite at the Hôtel Westminster in Paris. He's in France to sell his new war strategy to our NATO allies â?? to keep up the fiction, in essence, that we actually have allies. Since McChrystal took over a year ago, the Afghan war has become the exclusive property of the United States. Opposition to the war has already toppled the Dutch government, forced the resignation of Germany's president and sparked both Canada and the Netherlands to announce the withdrawal of their 4,500 troops. McChrystal is in Paris to keep the French, who have lost more than 40 soldiers in Afghanistan, from going all wobbly on him.

"The dinner comes with the position, sir," says his chief of staff, Col. Charlie Flynn.

McChrystal turns sharply in his chair.

"Hey, Charlie," he asks, "does this come with the position?"

McChrystal gives him the middle finger.

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McChrystal and his whole staff should be shit canned and forced to retire. Then let the Marines take over command and get the fucking job done. Semper Fi. :thumbsup:

can't we just shit can Obama instead? its all true.

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can't we just shit can Obama instead? its all true.

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The shit can is what Bush left for Obama. A government undermined to near collapse is a tricky thing to repair and stabilize. Nearly done in from within by Jr and the Dick. Gotta give Obama a break with the shit he's been handed by the under miners. And McChrystal appears to be an under miner. :wtf:

Be careful not to swallow the bait. :jointsmile:

Nope, Obama will not be getting any breaks from me on how he has handled this war. He has fucked it up and our soldiers and marines are killed by the dozens every single fucking week. Obama is the commander in chief, he is responsible for every single soldier in combat. He is not up the task. :twocents:

a general talking to Rolling Stone mag?..."everybody, must get stoned"-Bob Dylan...:silly:

^ :D yeah, I read it last night, pretty good read. I really didn't think it was too critical of the white house but I've never been in the military. except for maybe the Biden remarks but they were pretty funny. :rastasmoke: he actually had some kind things to say about the Sec of State, I guess she has been supportive of our efforts there.

Personally, I don't like the way this is being ran, from the 3 month delay as the annointed one pondered the surge, to the mounting casualties every single day after nine years there. This is a quagmire that Obama has allowed us to continue down. It is becoming the classic vietman clusterfuck that our clueless politicians and war profiteers seem to love so much. :twocents:

option A- pure war for 50 years...they have the boneyards to prove it

option B- cut your losses & run

personally...:pimp:I say fuck it...and go back to hitting from a distance, if needed, we're good at that..:thumbsup:...we're hi-teck

I agree, a General speaking like this is way outta line and doesnt follow his chain of command....However.....this was TOTALLY planned ahead of time and the general approved the article before hand......so what does that mean? He did the EXACT same thing with the troop levels in Afghanistan if people remember that in his interview in Germany. He planned this 100%. West Point Grad, special forces member, very smart guy.....this was totally planned. Or Obama's Afghan strategy is a loser and McChrystal wants nothing to do with it.

Its also amusing that when generals left during the Bush years they were celebrated as heroes amongst the loony left for bashing him....now the shoes on the other foot and McChrystal thinks Obama's rules for engagement are a joke and they were watered down as they went up the chain of command.

He shouldn't have said what he said, especially to a biased out of date Rolling Stone...;..but what he said was 100% TRUE about Obama's administration and their man-made disasters.

If I was Obama, I'd be scared McChrystal was gonna resign and RUN AGAINST Me....

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Nope, Obama will not be getting any breaks from me on how he has handled this war. He has fucked it up and our soldiers and marines are killed by the dozens every single fucking week. Obama is the commander in chief, he is responsible for every single soldier in combat. He is not up the task. :twocents:

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Just like Bush, Obama was never involved in the tactical mission. They leave that up to the experts. Any failures rest with McChrystal. Again, Obama is cleaning up a Bush/Cheney mess. :mad:

Was that a joke....Obama appointed McChrystal, who he now replacing with David Patreus (awsome)........

Patreus destroyed the jihadis in Iraq....and pulled one out of his hat for Bush. Obama decided and campaigned that Afghanistan was "the war of neccecity" for over a year......now he's in charge and not doing well in Afghanistan and the actual warriors over there say so cause they are getting shot up and cant return fire.

Bush, Bush, Bush, is all ya'll got nowadays.....its so humorous......its the dailykossies mantra......blame bush, blame bush. Its doing wonders for you guys. This is all Obama now.......ALL OBAMA. I hope you guys run for the mid-terms with a blame bush strategy.....PLEASE.

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option A- pure war for 50 years...they have the boneyards to prove it

option B- cut your losses & run

personally...:pimp:I say fuck it...and go back to hitting from a distance, if needed, we're good at that..:thumbsup:...we're hi-teck

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yeah, I agree. I think that was the Biden plan. :jointsmile: but anyways, Stan the Man of Chaostan is gone now. replaced with Patraeous. good luck General. :)

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Just like Bush, Obama was never involved in the tactical mission. They leave that up to the experts. Any failures rest with McChrystal. Again, Obama is cleaning up a Bush/Cheney mess. :mad:

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gypski, I am not trying to argue or anything with you about this :jointsmile: but I guess I just see it different. I hold the President responsible for war casulties beginning the moment he takes the oath. From that moment on no one but he is responsible for all aspects of it, tactical, strategic, logistically, etc... all of it. as long as we are engaged in combat, he owns it. Maybe its because I've never been in the military but that is just how I see it.

But, I do agree that Shrub was no military genious either. :( This is exactly the reason I voted for John McCain. I thought he would make a good Commander in Chief with his experience. :twocents:

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gypski, I am not trying to argue or anything with you about this :jointsmile: but I guess I just see it different. I hold the President responsible for war casulties beginning the moment he takes the oath. From that moment on no one but he is responsible for all aspects of it, tactical, strategic, logistically, etc... all of it. as long as we are engaged in combat, he owns it. Maybe its because I've never been in the military but that is just how I see it.

But, I do agree that Shrub was no military genious either. :( This is exactly the reason I voted for John McCain. I thought he would make a good Commander in Chief with his experience. :twocents:

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I'm not arguing either, but if you have never served (don't take that as a rebuke if you haven't), you do what your immediate command general demands without question. Not the White House, look at what Nixon did in Vietnam, Peach with honor my ass. I served during that time. The guy sitting in the Oval office has only been a military man twice. George Washington and Dwight D. Eisenhower and we know what their comments were. Eisenhower warned us that we would see this day, and we cannot blame it on Obama after 23 years of Republican administrations and only 17 years of Democrat administrations since 1960. Neither is blameless, but who has had more time to undermine and attempt to dismantle the government in the favor if industrialist or multi-nationals as they have morphed into in recent memory? Who brought the greatest deficits in favor of corporations rather then the people? But I digress...........

Back to McChrystal. The orders come from the guy running the show, and are expected to be executed by the guy running the show in the war zone. Apparently, McChrystal was going out on his own and not following orders from headquarters.

I agree troops are needlessly dying. That is a command issue and the execution of the mission. And the killing of civilians by trigger happy troops (because of poor leadership at the command level on the ground) needs to cease to gain the true trust of the Afghan people. If I lived in Afghanistan right now, I'd be fucked up on "O" too, or kicking some religious nut cases ass under the influence of "O" or hashish. And I'd be damned sure to take a few with me if I was to die. And the opium epidemic got worse after we took over in 2005 under Bush. How about an accusation that the Bush Cabal is a narco-gang also since the increase happened on his watch? Tangent. :D

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The shit can is what Bush left for Obama. A government undermined to near collapse is a tricky thing to repair and stabilize. Nearly done in from within by Jr and the Dick. Gotta give Obama a break with the shit he's been handed by the under miners. And McChrystal appears to be an under miner. :wtf:

Be careful not to swallow the bait. :jointsmile:

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"It undermines the civilian control of the military that's at the core of our democratic system," Obama said.

You heard it first here!!! :rastasmoke::S2:

things getting more weird everyday...:wtf:..http://boards.cannabis.com/southern-...s-undoing.html

I can see his point...been there, done that..:thumbsup:

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things getting more weird everyday...:wtf:..http://boards.cannabis.com/southern-...s-undoing.html

I can see his point...been there, done that..:thumbsup:

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I gotta see the actual report to believe this. But, we'd make more friends with the people if we burned some of that primo hashish with them. Time to lighten up a little and fraternize with the Afghan Troops daily @ 4:20. :D

the days of being conquistadors is over...nobody will give up their homeland...I wouldn't...:pimp:

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I gotta see the actual report to believe this. But, we'd make more friends with the people if we burned some of that primo hashish with them. Time to lighten up a little and fraternize with the Afghan Troops daily @ 4:20. :D

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Wouldn't we make better friends if we used some of that PRIMO Heroin in Afghanistan? Forget the Hash......thats Bush league.

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things getting more weird everyday...:wtf:..http://boards.cannabis.com/southern-...s-undoing.html

I can see his point...been there, done that..:thumbsup:

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:jointsmile: from what I've heard on the news so far I guess they were stuck in Paris because of the volcano and someone said . . . "hey, you know what? maybe we should find a good pub get loaded." :D

Obama's being a little girl about tho, I mean c'mon, lightin up already your highness. :rastasmoke:

Even more about McChrystal: now it can be told. The story about him voting for Obama is not contrived. He is a political liberal. He is a social liberal. He banned Fox News from the television sets in his headquarters. Yes, really. This puts to rest another false rumor: that McChrystal deliberately precipitated his firing because he wants to run for President.

Who'd a thunk it? He really must have pissed in the wrong helmet. :rastasmoke:

The lefts former mortal enemy Patreaus or as they like to call him "General Betrayus" already has his first order of buisness......he is gonna change the rules of engagement allowing our troops to start busting heads!!!

FOXNews.com - Petraeus to Modify Afghanistan Rules of Engagement, Source Says

Thought this might make Boaz a little happier.

maybe he will authorize free-fire zones?....Free-fire zone - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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The lefts former mortal enemy Patreaus or as they like to call him "General Betrayus" already has his first order of buisness......he is gonna change the rules of engagement allowing our troops to start busting heads!!!

FOXNews.com - Petraeus to Modify Afghanistan Rules of Engagement, Source Says

Thought this might make Boaz a little happier.

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:thumbsup: yes it did! thanks, bro. My first thought when I first heard that was mission accomplished General McChrystal. :cool: I wonder if that's why he did it, to take one for the team, get Obama and the congress' attention and get some needed changes over there?

I hope this helps. I just hate seeing all these casulties week after week after nine years of this. I can remember when it was a REALLY big deal when one of our service men was killed over seas. Now its the norm.

I don't mean to keep hammering on Obama but he just strikes me as really arrogant towards the military. I did not expect that from him. I really had hope :rastasmoke: that he would be better than that and that he would take this war more seriously. It seems like he really couldn't care less about our troops. :twocents:

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maybe he will authorize free-fire zones?....Free-fire zone - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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If I had a platoon over there, I tell my guys to feel free to fire up with their brother warriors on the Afghan side at 4:20 everyday. But, keep it down, and don't go out on ambush or mission stoned. No Bunny's needed in the war zone. :jointsmile:

Thats a HUGE IF......and if you were in charge the Taliban would be eagerly chopping off kids arms in Kabul for getting vaccinated by a round eye American....with like minded liberals making some excuse for it....."oh well, its just their culture, They dont mean it......lets just smoke pot."

New Rules of Engagement are being drafted RIGHT now reports BreitBart.......no more waiting until your stabbed to shoot back in Afghanistan.