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What are the populace (us) going to do for future election's etc.....
is it too early to get our voices heard and when does any info for future voting have to get started on...
with 100,000 medical card holders in the state we DO have a lot of voting power and I don't think it's too early to start making plans.
I would be very interested to get involved as a patient and card holder and am not afraid to knock on doors.
Our website This Web site coming soon should be up by the end of the week, and this is exactly what we want to do. Support those who support us and Target those who don't!:thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by denverbear
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Originally Posted by denverbear
I would like to see more people speaking out for the very sick people who can't afford to take away their pain anymore, it was hard enough before. I haven't heard much concern for them and I think they need our support.
I would be willing to help out here anyway I can, I just need direction.
If the mmj community does not take fast action the vast majority of Colorado will be void of legal access to medical cannabis. The banning of dispensaries, grow-ops and infused product mfgers from townships, cities and counties has begun and the mmj community isn't doing anything about it.
Worse than not doing anything . . . Aurora, one of CO's largest communities, is preparing a mmj ban and members of the mmj community are spearheading an all-out fight in Aurora against (drum roll please) wait for it -- a fashion statement! ug
The Municipal League of CO Cities is meeting next week and the hot topic for councilmen is going to be, it's on their schedule, "what's the best way to ban mmj - should our council ban it, or should the voters?"
There could be a hundred or more bans on the November ballot in CO and there is NO means available to campaign against them all. We don't have the man-power or the cash to throw into even a small number of these political campaigns.
The press in the past 9 months, together with the Gold-domers (the General Assembly,) have ravaged and destroyed the reputation of the mmj community. They changed the face of medical cannabis from the images of AIDS patients and grandmothers with crippling arthritis to cartoon-like money-hungry dispensary owners, with flashing neon green pot leaves, who are supplying the neighborhood kids with pot, stocking up for their weekend ski trips - ug.
Voters, who intellectually support the seriously ill and dying using cannabis with their doctors recommendation, will now be far less inclined to also support allowing dispensaries and can be easily influenced with well organized and financed local campaigns to ban dispensaries. Not In My Back Yard!
If a ban gets on a ballot it will be extremely difficult to defeat. . . unless
There are 100K + mmj patients in CO multiplied by their families and friends. Estimates suggest upwards of 20% of CO residents used pot recreationally in the past year = 1,000,000 (one million.) Together, their purchasing power is in the billions.
Imagine councilmen at next week's meeting sharing emails they received; thousands of ill mmj patients, shut-ins, unable to work but are right now working the www with messages to boycott (name of your city goes here.) Don't buy eggs, milk, bread, gasoline, autos, real estate, etc. in (name of your community goes here.) Instead, spend those funds in the neighboring mmj friendly community of (name of city goes here.)
Because of the economy, these communities are already hemorrhaging red ink, laying of employees, cutting back programs, closing rec centers, etc. They can't afford even a slight fraction of a % in further tax revenue loses.
Viral boycott emails sent to local businesses in the targeted communities will be forwarded to councilmen with dire warnings not to do anything that could cause their business to be boycotted.
As the www goes world-wide, if a community derives a portion of their income from tourism, like Vail, a boycott could cause mmj friendly tourists in NJ to book a ski resort in Utah instead.
A well orchestrated boycott of communities that elect to ban dispensaries, hell even the threat of a boycott on this scale, should be enough to cause councilmen to not only think twice when the issue comes before them, it should be enough to roll out the red carpet for dispensaries.
The time to contact mayors and councilmen is NOW. Tell them about the rumored boycotts and how badly that could impact their community if they ban dispensaries.
Talk to your friends in the mmj community, urge them to contact councilmen and mayors in communities contemplating bans and tell them about the up-coming boycotts.
Urge mmj community leaders to issue public statements in support of boycotts of communities that support bans.
Just don't do something, talk about it - a lot - don't spend your money in communities that ban dispensaries.
You failed to mention the growers, or caregivers. The patients are losing big time because they can't get the meds direct anymore. They could boycott the dispensaries and show the state how much their losing in taxes, maybe then they would find a way to tax the caregivers instead of trying to put them out of business. I guess they'll make more money busting the caregivers that are just trying to make a living than they would taxing them. Money is almost always the motive so it wouldn't surprise me if thats the angle their taking.
Information- CML On the issues
Check this out - on schedule - for next week's CML meeting - not for the faint of heart.
This is real - this is the future of MMJ in CO - the CML is teaching councilmen how to ban dispensaries - time for action is NOW ! ! !
We must spread the word - BOYCOTT - communities that ban mmj.
First, people only care about themselves. Showing images of sick people won't change anyone's mind.
It's our job to make sure that bad drug busts, shooting pets, the cost of prisons, courts and police, etc. are publicized.
It's our job to make sure the public has to make an A or B choice:
A. Give the tax revenue to the State of Colorado and the profits to local business people.
B. Give the money to drug cartels.
And these are the only two options. This decision needs to be hammered home, over and over and over. We need to start pointing the finger at THEM for endangering OUR society, highlighting the violence, border wars and gun trade associated with illegal drugs.
Explain how taxes on pot and money saved from not imprisoning pot smokers can be spent putting violent criminals away, and not releasing them early due to "over crowding".
Each person should have a list of reasons, ready to recite whenever needed.
These topics should be blogged about, tweeted, etc. Press releases can be written and published online for free. Every story and event that that benefits our position needs to be publisized as much as possible. Local news medias must be notified each time.
People need to fear the crime. They need to feel the financial loss during this recession. They need to be reminded of friends and family that have had their lives ruined by the courts, simply because someone had a bad of weed in the car.
Second...We don't fight these bills with a hope of compromise. This is politics and business. You set the line way beyond what we have now. We go for full legalization. The compromise will be legalization with regulations similar to alcohol.
Third...I'm not sure the dispensary model is really the best for most smokers. It keeps prices way to high. MJ isn't meant to be grown indoors. It's too expensive and takes way too much energy.
Fourth...You understand that Chris Romer honestly feels he's right. You're making a big mistake if you feel he thinks the way he does because he's been bribed or for political reasons. The biggest mistake one can make when fighting a war is not understand the true motives of a person.
Chris Romer's job is not to protect MMJ patient rights, it is to do what he feels is the best for all Coloradans, with respect to our state constitution.
We may disagree with him, even strongly. But the only way you will change his mind is if you can convince him it's in the best interest of Colorado, and not just your own.
What Romer sees is a bunch of people pretending to be sick, when the law says it's only for sick people. We need to change the law so anyone over 21 can smoke weed, and I think you'll see a change in Romer.
The thing is, he's right. He feels people are trying to "get over". There are a lot of people with prescriptions that aren't really sick.
I say this because I know him, we went to school together as kids. Don't misunderstand your opponent. Chris Romer is one of the smartest people around.
The truth is, I really believe we can do whatever we want, if we get everyone to vote. I believe most Coloradans support legalization. But young adults just don't vote.
Can all pot smokers unite? Will there be a divide between dispensaries and smokers and are they're interests the same? Will dispensaries and caretakers support legislation legalizing pot if it will put them out of business?
Me personally, I don't want weed legal just for patients. I want it legal for anyone over 21. Do we even agree on this point?
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Originally Posted by TurboALLWD
A patient can still get their meds from primary caregivers. The problem--caregivers are now limited to 5 patients. But, if you can find one that is willing to grow for you--then list him/her as your caregiver--as a patient you can save a lot of money.
Good start on the info...
now I am not that computer savoy but is it possible to start a web site for Colorado MMJ....something real easy for everyone to use like
savecommj.com....this is a name I found that no-one had taken on the web so it could be used as a rally point.
is this possible we could start a campain under that type of name where it is real easy for EVERYONE to remember and use as a gathering place for battle plans....
just a thought here....... and if anyone is computer literate to do something like this it in my opinion would be a good rallying place to post e-mail addresses, etc. so our e-mail campain could be organized by us for us and it would also be a place for the legal eagles to get involved with us to spur us in the right direction to get this done....
Banning these bricks-and-mortar businesses isn't the same as banning medical marijuana. Patients can have their marijuana delivered from a dispensary in another town, they can purchase from a caregiver, (who is limited to five patients, for the moment) or of course they can grow their own.Quote:
Originally Posted by michaelnights
EDIT: Interesting analysis, Hizeman.
excellent points especially about Romer...probably a lot of truth there.Quote:
Originally Posted by hizeman
but if MMJ is made legal that would make for easier for dispensary's to vend to everyone over 21 and I just don't see them closing so the fear you have there might just be a bad feeling that would not come true...but hey anything can happen for sure...
is it still possible for a vote to legalize mmj in 2010 november or is it too late for a vote which I realize mean's petitions with signitures. I think we could get 50,000 names fairly easy to get it on the ballot.
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Originally Posted by denverbear
Setting up a web page is easy, they have lots of web building sites to choose from. I could do it, I would just need everything you want on site. Like contact info, etc. If you want me to set it up e-mail me with details, [email protected]. Of-course if you want something real nice you can hire someone, I don't think prices are that bad. Just some ideas...
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Originally Posted by rightwinger
The problem is caregivers are limited to selling only to 5 patients, and at cost, if we were just talking about plant counts this wouldn't be a big deal, but it is. Patients can't get their meds right from the grower anymore, legally that is.
I'm a caregiver, I don't need a primary caregiver as I am my own. LOL It's the patients I had to drop and the patients other caregivers had to drop, those are the ones that will not be able to buy legally from ANY caregiver unless their one of the lucky 5. I hope the patients lucky enough to have a primary caregiver help out the other patients or their stuck paying dispensary prices(double).
Last but not least, I do not believe theres even the slightest chance Romer believes in this Bill being good for the patients. If his view is that the patients are full of shit, he needs to keep that to himself and simply listen to what the people want, not what he wants and his buddies want. It's truely sad that he can disregard the publics opinion and go with his own personally fucked up opinion.
I'm with grateful meds on voting Romer out of office and I personally think he's a piece of shit. I'll tell everyone I possibly can to do the same.
Isn't Romer leaving anyway?
no ritter is it's his last term.unless i missed something.Quote:
Originally Posted by donnadanko
sosdd,i think the only way to win in a non violent way is not to just fight these pricks.but to do a quick crash course in what the state is doing to mmj patients and how those patients really need these meds.we need to take this to the people and wake them up.i will say it yet again WE NEED TO LEASE BILLBOARDS.it is the quickest way to get the truth out.put them up on all major highways.we need to put this out there for all to see.i say get 50,75,100k mmj cardholder sigs supporting the signs we put up. that way when they say this is just a few that are angry we can prove it is all of us.let it be known that romer is a liar and he is not the voice of the people.when he says things like i am putting mmj back into the hands of the mmj voters. we can call him out as a whole and let it be known this is so far from the truth.
let it be known that there has never been another bill that has been pushed through with such force. so quickly with the time frames they have put in place to comply with.
Billboards are really expensive...I was involved with one last year for football and it cost like 5500.00 dol for 1 and it was a reduced fee...Quote:
Originally Posted by throatstick
You are right we have to fight them at their own game. The only way can win or at least have hope is to put someone in state office that is on our side. I do not mean someone that says...yes I am on your side....I mean someone thats actions shows their on our side...I have the prefect person but it cost tons to get someone into a state office. OK sit down for this one....He is a former LEO but has family in the mmj business, and also a mother with cancer. He knows how to play their games and would support us 101%...he is the type of person that would have looked a Romer in the face and on TV and told Romer he knows nothing and need needs to support Colorado residence and not his own bs. I do not think you could find a better person.............this is how we will win and the only way we will win is to get our people into officeQuote:
Originally Posted by throatstick
Quickly? 1284 was introduced at the beginning of the session and not passed until hours before the session ended. It was among the slowest passages of any bill this legislative session.Quote:
Originally Posted by throatstick
Here Here!Quote:
Originally Posted by hizeman
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Lets end this Police State mentality. :mad: