Give me your thoughts please

:pimp: alright heres the deal...ive been an almost daily smoker for about 2 years, with a couple little T breaks here and there, but not so recently...got a call last week from a bank for a job interview that I applied for a while back, after doing a lil research ive found that i'll most likely be asked to piss...i read the dilution sticky up top...i last smoked 7 days ago, stopped as soon as i found out about the interview....the interview is scheduled for thursday at 3 30, and i would assume that means i could have to pee someplace between thursday evening and monday sometime if im offered the job...im 22 years old, male, 5'9'' 185 lbs, i dont work out all that much, but i do walk a little bit with my girl...right now im plannin on trying to dilute to pass the test...ive been drinking cranberry juice like a mother fucker all week, and i just bought a bunch of b12 as well...i'll be eating a pile of red meet for the creatinine levels...

do you guys like my odds? would they go up at all if i invested in a detox drink to sup in with the dulution tips at the top? keep blazin! cant wait to get the test out of the way and hear results, cause win or loose im gonna be lightin up! :rasta:

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:pimp: alright heres the deal...ive been an almost daily smoker for about 2 years, with a couple little T breaks here and there, but not so recently...got a call last week from a bank for a job interview that I applied for a while back, after doing a lil research ive found that i'll most likely be asked to piss...i read the dilution sticky up top...i last smoked 7 days ago, stopped as soon as i found out about the interview....the interview is scheduled for thursday at 3 30, and i would assume that means i could have to pee someplace between thursday evening and monday sometime if im offered the job...im 22 years old, male, 5'9'' 185 lbs, i dont work out all that much, but i do walk a little bit with my girl...right now im plannin on trying to dilute to pass the test...ive been drinking cranberry juice like a mother fucker all week, and i just bought a bunch of b12 as well...i'll be eating a pile of red meet for the creatinine levels...

do you guys like my odds? would they go up at all if i invested in a detox drink to sup in with the dulution tips at the top? keep blazin! cant wait to get the test out of the way and hear results, cause win or loose im gonna be lightin up! :rasta:

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Drinking shitloads of Cranberry juice will do nothing to help you pass. You will also need B2 or B complex not B12. If your planning on following the Dilution method, then their no need wasting money on a detox drink. Detox drinks are nothing more than vitamins, water, and creatine. Creatine needs to be loaded days before the test, so drinking it the day of does you no good. The other two ingredients(vitamins and water) can be purchased for far less money than the detox drink.

The only way to know if your clean is to test yourself periodically. You'll want to use the first void of the day as it contains the highest concentrations of THCA.

Overall it would be alot easier for you to pick up some Quick Fix synthetic urine and substitute. Then you don't have to quit smoking.

Yeah I agree with Deige,only thing cranberry juice does is keep things from sticking on the walls of the bladder,Your better off drinking a bunch of water and taking vitamins with high concentrations of B vitamins,and Detox drinks do little to nothing,maybe they do if you rarely smoke but for a heavy toker they do nothing but waste money. go to your local smoke shops and see if you can get Quickfix its guaranteed to work. It'll be the best 30 bucks you ever spent.

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Drinking shitloads of Cranberry juice will do nothing to help you pass. You will also need B2 or B complex not B12. If your planning on following the Dilution method, then their no need wasting money on a detox drink. Detox drinks are nothing more than vitamins, water, and creatine. Creatine needs to be loaded days before the test, so drinking it the day of does you no good. The other two ingredients(vitamins and water) can be purchased for far less money than the detox drink.

The only way to know if your clean is to test yourself periodically. You'll want to use the first void of the day as it contains the highest concentrations of THCA.

Overall it would be alot easier for you to pick up some Quick Fix synthetic urine and substitute. Then you don't have to quit smoking.

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Deige, I appreciate your insight, ive done a ton of reading on this site over the past few days and I can tell that you are one of the best assets around here for information. Unfortunatly I went down to my local head shop and they're out of synthetic! they said they MIGHT have more in by this weekend, but its hard to say. Without enough time to count on anything arriving on time through them or by ordering something online my self, I do think that my only option is going to be diluting...While I do understand thats not a guarentee, it might be my best shot at the moment.

Obviously, with as freaquent a user as I am, its unlikely that I am naturally clean after 8 days, however from the reading Ive done it sounds like I have a pretty decent shot at fooling the test by getting my THCA levels low enough through dilution. I picked up a home test from Walgreens earlier today...I know you said earlier that I should test my first void of the day, but I'm wondering if it would be wiser to try and do a ''dry run'' dilution and test that...with my theory being that If i can beat it by diluting once, my metabolite levels should only go down a little further by the time I dilute for the real thing, meaning I should be able to beat that to (or atleast force a re test and buy my self some more time in the hopes that I can get some synthetic)...

Again, I understand theirs know way for you to know for sure, since everyones body chemistry and metabolism is different, but based on the information I have given, do you think 8 days will be enough to dilute my levels below 50 ng/ml? And what do you think about my testing my self dilute theory? Thanks for your advice, this is a great forum and I'm happy I found it, I'll be stickin around for a while.

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Cranberry doesnt keep THCA from "sticking on the walls of the bladder" because THCA doesnt stick to the bladder walls to begin with. Whoever gave you such ludicrous info needs to do some serious research on human biology and THC. Such info is not needed on these forums where people with careers, families, and freedoms hinging on the outcome of a U/A.

Cranberry juice does nothing different than any other fluid - it temporarily dilutes the THCA concentration that is present in the bladder to where the sample registers below the cutoff thresholds of the assay screen. Dilution actions are only temporary - once all the fluids ingested had been all urinated out, a "dirty" donor will resume testing postive for THC.

Burnt Toast, you seem to have a lot of good information as well. I appretiate you guy's dedication to reporting only whats known scientifically, and not just spewing a bunch of crap. Do you have an thoughts on what I wrote above?

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Deige, I appreciate your insight, ive done a ton of reading on this site over the past few days and I can tell that you are one of the best assets around here for information. Unfortunatly I went down to my local head shop and they're out of synthetic! they said they MIGHT have more in by this weekend, but its hard to say. Without enough time to count on anything arriving on time through them or by ordering something online my self, I do think that my only option is going to be diluting...While I do understand thats not a guarentee, it might be my best shot at the moment.

Obviously, with as freaquent a user as I am, its unlikely that I am naturally clean after 8 days, however from the reading Ive done it sounds like I have a pretty decent shot at fooling the test by getting my THCA levels low enough through dilution. I picked up a home test from Walgreens earlier today...I know you said earlier that I should test my first void of the day, but I'm wondering if it would be wiser to try and do a ''dry run'' dilution and test that...with my theory being that If i can beat it by diluting once, my metabolite levels should only go down a little further by the time I dilute for the real thing, meaning I should be able to beat that to (or atleast force a re test and buy my self some more time in the hopes that I can get some synthetic)...

Again, I understand theirs know way for you to know for sure, since everyones body chemistry and metabolism is different, but based on the information I have given, do you think 8 days will be enough to dilute my levels below 50 ng/ml? And what do you think about my testing my self dilute theory? Thanks for your advice, this is a great forum and I'm happy I found it, I'll be stickin around for a while.

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Buy two test kits and do one with the first void of the day. If you don't pass then use the other test after following the Dilution method and see where you stand. Just remember, you need to make sure you start loading creatine(whether you use the supplement or red meat), this needs to be done 2-3 days before your test.

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Cranberry doesnt keep THCA from "sticking on the walls of the bladder" because THCA doesnt stick to the bladder walls to begin with. Whoever gave you such ludicrous info needs to do some serious research on human biology and THC. Such info is not needed on these forums where people with careers, families, and freedoms hinging on the outcome of a U/A.

Cranberry juice does nothing different than any other fluid - it temporarily dilutes the THCA concentration that is present in the bladder to where the sample registers below the cutoff thresholds of the assay screen. Dilution actions are only temporary - once all the fluids ingested had been all urinated out, a "dirty" donor will resume testing postive for THC.

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I never said anything about THC now did I? ;)

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I never said anything about THC now did I?

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Well we are talking about THC here because only THC can be discussed in these forums. If you werent referring to THC, then what were you referring to when you spoke of "things" sticking to the walls of the bladder, and how does it have anything to do with THC drug testing?

The drug testing forum is not a playground. Drug testing is a serious issue because like I stated earlier, theres careers, freedoms, and families hinging on the outcome of a U/A. Factual info is vital here. If you dont like the idea that the poster is held to a high standard of fact, well thats too bad. Thats how it is here and shall remain. If you dont find that idea all too appealing, then perhaps the drug testing forum is not for you.

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Burnt Toast, you seem to have a lot of good information as well. I appretiate you guy's dedication to reporting only whats known scientifically, and not just spewing a bunch of crap. Do you have an thoughts on what I wrote above?

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Nothing that hasnt already been stated by Deige. ;)

But forget the idea of combining the magic detox elixir with N2s Dilution method. Doing so will only increase the chances of the sample being ruled overdiluted.

Had the interview thursday, so far nobodys mentioned a drug test, but she said they wouldnt officially offer me the job until next week when the HR lady is back from her Memorial Day vacation. So I should be getting called tuesday or wednesday, by that time i'll be a full 2 weeks clean...I ordered 5 MJ Tests off ebay that should also be showing up around tuesday. The one that I tried a few days ago still came back dirty on the first void of the day (but I expected that.) Every day that I put between my last smoke and the test makes me feel better and better.

when i do a morning self test, should i piss right away or do a mid stream sample as i would for the real thing

Midstream. I used to use those kokopelli&spike test'in pills with a ton of water. Maybe it was the water, the intense diarrhea, the magic scrubber pills, or they didn't even bother actually testing. You could try and contaminate the sample with a hair or two. It wouldn't pass you but might buy you some more time.

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Midstream. I used to use those kokopelli&spike test'in pills with a ton of water. Maybe it was the water, the intense diarrhea, the magic scrubber pills, or they didn't even bother actually testing. You could try and contaminate the sample with a hair or two. It wouldn't pass you but might buy you some more time.

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Please take time to read the question before responding. I understand that when I test for real that I want to go midstream every time. Also I have much doubt about some of the techniques you suggest, unless you have some science to back your self up, please refrain from posting here again, as this forums advice can have major implications in peoples lives.

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when i do a morning self test, should i piss right away or do a mid stream sample as i would for the real thing

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Question answered with Midstream?

You can doubt whatever you wish. I retain my honorable discharge.

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...please refrain from posting here again, as this forums advice can have major implications in peoples lives.

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I haven't seen any scientific evidence other than word of mouth in this thread. The only advice I see here is drink water and take vitamins. This is straight from the CA NORML website.

"WASH YOURSELF OUT: The general strategy for passing urine tests is to increase your fluid intake and urine flow so as to dilute the concentration of drugs in the sample below the threshold of detection. An hour or two before the test, you should fill your bladder with fluids - as much as you can drink. Water is fine - contrary to popular rumor, there is NO evidence that goldenseal, vinegar, niacin, or vitamin C help. However, high-dosage aspirin may reduce the sensitivity of the EMIT urine test for pot (only). Many people wash themselves out for several days in advance by drinking a lot and exercising, but there is no reason to think this is useful. In no case should you give your first urine of the morning, since drug metabolites tend to build up during your sleep.

While you're loading up on water before the test, you may also want to take a large dose (50-100 milligrams) of vitamin B-2, available in B-complex multivitamins. The purpose of this is to color your urine yellow, since otherwise you are likely to produce clear, watery urine, which makes some collectors suspicious (contrary to rumor, vitamin C won't help). In rare instances, some labs will reject a sample for being too watery; in this case, however, they will typically give you a second chance. Wait until your test results have been confirmed before indulging in compromising behavior.

You can boost your fluid output by taking diuretics, which stimulate urination. Weak diuretics include coffee, cranberry juice, certain health food products and over-the-counter pills for pre-menstrual water retention.

If you're taking the test on very short notice, you may wish to resort to more potent diuretics, which are widely prescribed to treat high blood pressure. Although strong diuretics, such as furosemide (Lasix®), are available only on prescription in the U.S., they can be had over-the-counter in Mexico and other foreign countries. Beware that they can be dangerous for certain persons, such as diabetics or pregnant women, and can cause problems if taken over extended periods. Diuretics can be detected in urine, but are rarely checked except for athletes. The following regime has been suggested by a former army drug testing officer (Robert Freeman, "How to 'Beat' a Drug Test," High Times, Aug. 1988): Take an 80-milligram dose of Lasix; take a hefty drink of water; piss two or three times, then take the test. If you're lucky and didn't smoke too much pot, a good washout may get you past a test on a couple days' notice. However, regular smokers should allow at least a week or two if at all possible. "
Drug Testing | California NORML

That NORML article about aspirin is outdated info. Aspirin was used in the old days as an interferant for only the first-generation EMIT. Since then, a second-gen EMIT (aka EMIT II) was brought into the fold to counter the interference issues caused by aspirin. The first-gen EMIT is seldom used anymore (if, at all).

Diuretics may cause frequent urination, but they have no effect on the filteration rate of THCA from the bloodstream by the kidneys.

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Question answered with Midstream?

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When taking a real piss test, you want to use your midstream.

When taking your own home test to see if you are still dirty or not, you use your first piss of the day and start collecting right from the get-go. It will be your absolute dirtiest urine of the day/night.

Alright guys its for real now, got a call back today an my drug test will be thursday afternoon. At that point I'll be 15 days clean. I'm getting a VERY faint line on the home tests right now without diluting my self. I'll be doing a diluted run tonight. I know that Deige has said repeatedly on this site that a line is a line...but i gotta tell you guys, this line im getting is soooo faint right now that I'm still a little nervous. Does the line get darker the cleaner you get? If I dilute and get a stronger line on the next test does that mean that that sample is cleaner than the last? I know these tests are nominal and not quantitative, just testing for under 50 ng/ml, but please reassure me or tell me what, if anything, I still have to be concerned about.

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No and No.

Even synthetic urine controls (which are completely drug-free) can produce faint lines on an assay kit. There is no meaning attributed to the intensity or width of a line. A faint line is still a line.

Picked up my form today, gonna be a 35105N SAP 5-50 W/NIT...It will be collected at a local clinic and sent off to Quest. Ive googled it and it sounds like this is basically the standard test...Down at my headshop they have a synthetic product called BC Entitites Field kit...havin a real hard time finding decent reviews for this product though, so Im probly gonna just go with diluting since ive passed 2/3 of the home tests ive taken with a super faint line, and the one i failed was my first void of the day.

Make that 3/4! and on this last one there was nothin faint about the line at all (Not that that matters) but it makes me feel good!

Granted, I diluted this afternoon a fair ammount to do a dry run dilution...drank a 20 oz gatorade at about noon (with a sandwich for lunch) and then when i got home I drank about 55 oz of water between about 2 30 and when i took the test at 5 30...Ive been eating red meat all week to keep my creatinine levels as high as i can...was this pass an overdilute pass? or is that pretty reasonable for a guy my size (5'9'' 185-190).

Also, N2's dilution thread doesnt really mention food the day of...I imagin that more food in your stomach absorbs more water as it passes through, but I'm not really sure on that...Anyone have any knowlege here?

Another thought that I had after talking with a chick I know who is a dietition major is that since THC is stored in fat, it could be beneficial to eat a candy bar or 2 tonight/tomorrow morning so that my body burns off of simple sugars instead of fat cells for the next 24 hours or so...Any thoughts on this?