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I was asked by a dispensary that wants to team up with my grow operation if I would accept $140 and oz.!! He tried to convince me that the larger groups in this vertical structure will drive prices down real low.
Any other growers getting this kind of lowball offer for meds???
ALL GROWERS PLEASE;Quote:
Originally Posted by ShadySadie
It is time we tell them to f off, this is insane, 250.00 is a fair price for quality aA bud, anyone disagreeing with that can kiss my ass, most are now only paying 200, and that is a joke as they sell it for way more, and do not give me the overhead bullshit, we all have it and we all work hard, at a 140 oz I can not even grow.
GIVE IT BACK TO THE PEOPLE AND THE MOM AND POP SHOPS, SCREW THE BIG DISP. ROLE MODEL
I feel that this is just the beginning, I am not a grower, just a concerned patient that is worried that so many of us will not be able to afford our medicine. I wish you growers well in the coming times, but I think it will get quite a bit worse before/if it gets better. Thanks for your hard work and good luckQuote:
Originally Posted by Klonzinc
LOL who told you that??Quote:
Originally Posted by ShadySadie
Obviously a shop run by businessmen not growers...
so many of these shops, they lobbied for the bill, cause they think it is oh so easy to grow good meds.
No self-respecting grower will associate with a place that already assumes they know how this will all turn out in practice to such an extant they already want to rape their grower. And electricity prices go up next month.
Do you get a percentage of the dispensary? I might go 200$ if they kept legal with a %.
Do NOT do it!! Part of this new bill that is killing the mom and pop places was back by big dispencaries and with big money backing trying to control and own the market "push mom and pop out". They are trying to do what wal-mart did to all the little people.
You should be concerned because if this actually does go into effect that is exactly what will happen, the price of Medicine will skyrocket.:wtf:Quote:
Originally Posted by Colodonmed
I agree, if all growers and patients went back to the underground it would force changes, I would rather give my meds to patients for the wholesale price I give it to disp's. for, anyone wanting that feel free to hit me up just check the contact page at klonzinc.com, my site will only be there for 30 more days then I am going to be forced to shut down. I will not contribute my time, money, or meds to a government, only patients from now on!!!!!!!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by cowgirl1
I have a few friends who have been told that the going rate is no more than 200 dollars a zip here. This is a beautiful medication that takes time, money, and effort to make, not machine made SHIT that destroys your liver. I work at a hydroponics store, and this hobby has become unreal in popularity. Unfortunately, just like everything else, it is an industry. I hate to say it, but most of the people in this industry are money-driven. Where I grow 6 little gals in a tent as a hobby, they have warehouses full of plants to make money. With the rapid popularity jump in growing, I give it 5 years before wal-mart has their own section with ballasts, nutrients, and hoods. They know where the money is.
I know every node on my girls, and truly appreciate the plant. Must be hard to do with 100+ plants in a warehouse.
With a mass of plants it's also easier to sell it cheaper. This probably isn't going to change. Sell to your patients or friends and leave the dispensaries to mass-growers. Only way you'll make anything close to what you want.
Guess I need to kiss your ass, I disagree...Quote:
Originally Posted by Klonzinc
250/oz might be ok for some people and for some strains but for sativas that seem to take like 6 months or more to finish (accounting for the cure time too) - 250 isn't even going to come close to covering my incurred cost & overhead!
So true. I've seen other say it but I think there is a curve of quantity grown vs. quality of herb. And at a certain point... when you get above a certain number of plants/size of operation the quality takes a hit. I think when you're growing a smaller number of plants you can really give the individual attention to each plant and get a better result.Quote:
Originally Posted by mouthmeetsoap
I think this is misunderstood a lot. I even saw a dispensary post on here something about their excitement for the warehouse grows and the big money's ability to use new technology to create "high-tech" grows...:wtf: Herb has been growing for 1000s of years. High-tech?
I'm really looking forward to this bill being shutdown by the courts Funk. You deserve to be able to continue what you are doing. I think we can find a way to keep the fingers funky. I wish I could grow my own, just don't have the room. :jointsmile:Quote:
Originally Posted by funkfingers
Exactly, did not think I needed to point out every small detail, just as good but hermied weed around 200.00 would be fair, I will make sure I include the complete breakdown of cost for each strain, my bad...............ROFLMA:rastasmoke:Quote:
Originally Posted by ThaiBuddhaMan
agreed 110% i offer it to them for 250 to 275 per bottom line.if one offers below that i laugh at em.sounds like whoever told you that shady does'nt plan to stay around and is trying to low ball everywhere they can to get as much money as possible b4 they skip town....Quote:
Originally Posted by Klonzinc
this is true also i stick to mostly heavy inddy's or hybrid with inddy doms.but i do know what ya mean with the pure to heavy sats.Quote:
Originally Posted by ThaiBuddhaMan
i'd be happy with 32 plants total really.the 5 patient deal i don't mind all that much cause im happy with 30 or so plants the problem i do have is not allowing us to work together or atleast service each others patients as needed i e "between harvests"type of thing.the thing is i think they have us in a catch 22 cause they know a real grower that knows what they are doing is going to produce more than what 5 patients will use in a month.they know most are setup on an atleast 2 month cycle few people on a small scale have a 3 room setup to go to 1 month cycles,Quote:
Originally Posted by lampost
so on a 2 month cycle to keep that cycle running on par you will have to cut all of your crop down sure you can let some go a week or more over but that stops new plants from going 12/12"plant count rules".so really if you go by the law that would mean you would be having to throw away alot of your harvest 5 x 2oz per= 10 oz at any given time here.but if we go by the law there would be no way to stay on track and stay within dry limits per patient.which would then leave your patients high and dry the next 2 months waiting on the crop again.see what they have done here???? bottom line there is no way to stay legal and keep your patients supplied with meds here.
being that the patient is only allowed to have 2 oz's at a time there is no way for them to be able to stock up meds in any way even if they wanted to by all you had for that crop.i believe they know this and leo is foaming at the mouth knowing this and knowing there is no way to keep a patient supplied with this bs law.think about it......
yes i know the whole leave the meds on the plant and chop as needed thing.but 1 you can only do that for so long b4 quality starts to suffer,2 you run it so long that at the end somewhere there will be a 2 month gap to thwere no one has any meds.
the only way i could see doing it would be a perpetual but alot of people don't have that kind of space for 1 and 2 it would be a pain in the ass to try to know exactly how many plants to do at a time to keep patients happy and to not waste any.it's like being handed a stick with crap at both ends here it's bs.
Pretty sure as soon as you chop it down it's then considered usable medicine..
So the real kicker is what defines usable, because I know when most grows get raided and they add up the #'s to get weight, they will weigh plants whole/wet/with rootballs/count leaves and stems as herb..Hey look another Grey area:thumbsup: I really worry for these large ops as they are opening themselves up for the dea to raid these 100+ plant grows (that they know exactly where they are BTW)
If something cannot be done to stop this bill in it's tracks, I'm all for some kind of a patient/caregiver network..Still trying to figure out what the hell you're supposed to do if you yield more than your allowed amount..throw it away? can it be donated to people who cannot afford their meds? I guess you could just turn it in super concentrates, man 2oz of oil would last me a long time..
In relation to what this thread is really about:D your herb is worth whatever someone will pay for it.end of story, just like any other goods. If it's worth what you think it is then someone will buy it..if not might want to think about repricing your goods. anywhere in the 225-250 range is fair for quality.. If you didn't take the time to dry/cure properly, please do not come and try to pass your laziness on to others..If your product is something that you would be happy to purchase yourself , you will have no problems whatsoever finding people, that are eager to take it off your hands
sorry for the long winded rant..
fUnK:rastasmoke:
Pretty sure if all the rumors of stanley are true he'll get his on his own..
Karma works in mysterious ways..
Might be time to hold on to your prized genetics folks..Last thing I want is these clowns flooding the market with watered down P.M. infested versions of strains, that many of us have risked our freedom to obtain, and maintain the genetics.
Many I know who are being forced to go back underground, are the ones who have the potential to do the most good..At least I won't ever have to step foot in one of these huge MMJ centers, I feel terrible for those that will have to.. God is it possible for our government to not fuck something up!! ( trick question at this day in age I know)
I was advised by our lawyer that we should only caregive for 5 or less, the thing here is we have additional plants for 3 of those 5, and according to him; under 5 patients and you will not be on radar, also if a patient has a reccomendation for more on the original app then grow those plus your normal 30, and trust me I have had tremndous response from other patients who have no caregiver and or removing thier caregiver and already looking for places other than dispensaries to buy, if we network together we can put all of this back into a lot of patients hands. We trade product list and possibly product for product to keep everyone in stock and happy. Just a thought, shit I remember getting my first license in 01 and had no trouble finding patients to sell to, lol, of course that was when overgrow.com was around and the board was a little easier to use with pm and all.Quote:
Originally Posted by funkfingers
yup but only thing is if we got caught working together what would we be looking at law wise? i would'nt doubt the leo's to send 1 of their own in to get a card only to pose as one of us.no need to think they would go by the law now cause they never have. thats the bad part is they are making us group into 5's and we cannot deal with anyone else that part is total bs.that would really leave alot of people left out there that will have no choice but to make the dispensaries their caregiver.what a racket they have created....Quote:
Originally Posted by Klonzinc
The reason I didn't get a card until last year was that I knew no caregivers knew no way to contact any. Now I'm scuffling trying to find space in my tiny apt to set up a mom/clone grow. It was hard enough finding room for my small tent, I'd planned on meeting my needs from clone grows. Now I feel totally screwed. We need some sort of contact method for caregivers/patients to hook up but they've made that illegal, haven't they?Quote:
Originally Posted by Klonzinc
...is sometimes hard to take, but I'd rather the government-issued fig-leaf than no protection at all. I kind of look at my Health Canada card the same way that John Cleese in A Fish Called Wanda was instructed to look at the bobbies in the cell of his new client...
It's my "Pigs fuck off, please" card. I sorely wish that I didn't need such a thing.
I am a great believer in the Powers of the Free Market, though. Were it full and truly legalized, I know that in that free (or mostly free) market, there will be room for the w4ll-M4rtz, as well as the mom-n-pops who turn out connoisseur stuph (like mesef).
The Last Thing I want is MORE godd'mn gub'mint reg'lashion.
Some people are happy with Micky'Dees. Some want Filet Mignon.
And some sum'sabiches want FM @ Md's prices...
Sigh :) Let the Free Market sort it out.
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Originally Posted by CovertCarpenter
Great idea, Klonzinc! Everybody seems to like Craig's list, but I fear it is too public. We need an underground website that can be found by word of mouth only.
Does the bill say anything about Caregivers being able to deliver? If not, then we can set up a bonded delivery service for Caregiver product to be delivered to patients.
I do know the bill prevents actual "co-ops". Two Caregivers cannot team up to share the same patients.
Any of you ever mail grows to patients?
I just cleaned up some bullshit on the DEA here and let me inform ya all just once; ANY more comments about turning ANYBODY in will result in an immediate and possibly permanent ban!!! I just got done with my bullshit after being busted so these type of comments REALLY bite me in the ass right now.:mad:
Have a good one!:thumbsup:
I'm confused as to why my comment was mod'd ..:rastasmoke:
Me too, my whole post was deleted. :rasta:Quote:
Originally Posted by funkfingers
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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud
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Originally Posted by funkfingers
My position on the subject was made quite clear. I will say that both of your responses completely condemned such actions but there was still mention of the post besides links the post in question. Since I'm unable to edit posts, I did the next best thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by TurboALLWD
I was busted do to an anonymous letter so I hope ya all understand; ANY mention of turning somebody or organization in for growing kind of burns my ass at this time and I'm sure that feeling won't fade anytime to soon.:mad:
Have a good one!:thumbsup:
My grow totals down to about $20-30/oz of AA-quality, that's for most indica and sativa strains (that includes electricity for the air pump and air circulation and timers as well.) I'd have to wonder what equipment you're using.Quote:
Originally Posted by ThaiBuddhaMan
I completely understand, I just to recently went through a bunch of bullshit, because of a narc...cowards.:rastasmoke:
Def. depends on system and nutes, I've seen people spend incredible amounts of $$ on organic hydro systems and other odd growing methods.Quote:
Originally Posted by khyberkitsune
I just put 'em in dirt, re-use the dirt (this is a secret to high quality and yields out of dirt), feed them guanos, worm castings and not so much on the expensive liquid nutes. I'm figuring around $10 / oz, NOT INCLUDING LABOR. Labor is a big part of it, and is worth far more than co2, electricity, and nutes combined.
Labor is a large expense, especially if you have a small system. Mine is tiny, just 3 plants, so labor for me comes out to maybe $75-$100 / oz if I want to be reasonably compensated. So, lets just call it $100/oz for parts and labor. Going by general rules of business, I need to double the cost of production, so I need at least $200 / oz wholesale.
$200 / oz wholesale is just my number, and I've been gardening since '94. I don't need to spend very much time or money relative to most growers with less experience and/or more complicated systems. So, those who think this is easy money need to think again. It's not as lucrative as some might think, and not everyone is capable of coming up with product worth selling for top dollar. This makes top end ganja more like fine wine, and we should expect to be paid more for it, but we do not. Certainly not in proportion to it's quality. I think there needs to be even more differential in price, I see a lot of lower quality stuff that should be a lot cheaper in dispensaries...
My personal time is where the majority of the costs are incurred. I look at it as a part-time job, not just a hobby. My regular full-time job pays me a hourly wage and I use that hourly wage to calculate my labor costs, since I could choose to work more at my full-time job instead. Fertilizer, electricity, water, equipment and real property overhead are just the start of costs incurred. But you're right a hobbist should only be spending approximately what you posted.Quote:
Originally Posted by khyberkitsune
Ah, but I'm not a hobbyist. Labor, etc included, I spend practically nil time on my systems. No automated stuff, just well-set systems that pretty much run themselves. The only times I need to pay attention are during my weekly res changes (some plants drink so slowly and eat so little that I go two weeks for those) where I check my airstones and then refill with nutes. Twenty minutes tops for 12 plants in varying stages.Quote:
Originally Posted by ThaiBuddhaMan
But I do see what you mean by labor costs. Doing DWC means heavy lugging!
Sorry to be the one to tell ya, but the price of medicine is dropping and will continue to drop. The more legal it becomes the lower the price becomes. Collectives alone do not set the price of marijuana. Collectives, Growers, Patients & the government set the price. You can complain all you want about businessman type collectives but growers are also trying to make a buck for themselves. If you want good quality low cost medicine, grow it yourself. Growers, you want a better price for your hard work, open up your own collective. :rasta:
yea cfl style i could see it but not using 1k's,indoors that is. say you go small,2 1k setups,2 4ft t5's,bulbs,hps,mh,hoods,most people don't know shit about electric so to do it proper they would have to call someone in.timers,pumps,stones,nutes,hangers,clamps,panda film,maylar,ducting,fans,carbon filters,light controller,room or tent,sealing the room,on and on.Quote:
Originally Posted by ThaiBuddhaMan
all the talk about i grow in soil so i have no costs is misleading at best,go try buying the soil it takes to grow it's not cheap either,then you still have to add diffrent nutes to that it's not just throw some seeds in soil walk away and months later there ya go.ya have bone/blood meal,fish,worm castings,guano's the list goes on far from free.and if you are indoors like most have to be the whole i grow in soil so i have very lil cost can take a hike.just for the basics i listed above start up cost if you do it at home and don't have to go somewhere else would be around 5 to 6 k.thats just to start up.
to me soil is more work and alot more of a mess to deal with.anyone that says other wise is crazy in their minds.having to tote soil back and forth tracking shit in and out so on. then lets not forget labor which i have to say thai that not to just base it off of your wage at work. cause as you should know or anyone that has been in the world at allyou know any high risk job pay quite a bit more than alot of wages out there.not only do we have the labor part but it is a very high risk.feds still have it out for us and robbers too both are equal in that dept of risk.
b4 i was hurt on my job "sub contractor" i was bringing home anywhere from 1500 to 2k per wk. im used to making close to 8k per month. that was a low to mid risk type of job.i did'nt risk getting robbed or my door knocked down by feds.
besides all that tho hey khyberkitsune i'll drop all im doing and make you my caregiver for 20 an oz of top aa buds.when can we meet up?i need around 4 to 6 oz per wk cause i only cook with it tho.im sure with how cheap you can grow it tho you should be able to supply that lil bit no prob right?let me know...:jointsmile:
You can spend a lot more than $5-6k, too. I'd consider that a minimum.Quote:
Originally Posted by throatstick
My soil system is easier and less work, and less mess than any hydro. system I've ever seen. It also produces better quality and yields. Wow, better call my shrink. :(
Why do you "tote" soil anywhere? Once it's in place, leave it there. It only needs to be moved once and never again... Like a fine Port wine, it gets better with time... :)
well when you add on or add rooms you would need more.+ i don't care to keep compost in my room.sun is a good thing:thumbsup::thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dorje113
i still don't see how you could say it's alot cleaner than hydro? dirt cleaner than water? how?
since people want to start hating on me for no reason then go ahead and hate on this...so anyways
alil side project,flipped to 12/12 2 weeks after clone.2 weeks into 12/12 now.alittle training too..done with the extra plants i had cause the way i grow they get big so i did'nt have enough room to run these so i did this instead to mess around.start the mumbo jumbo talk kk?:stoned:
gunna be nothing but solid bud throughout.nice tight packed noding going on...
Beautiful.Quote:
Originally Posted by throatstick
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I feel exactly the opposite. I will stay underground until weed is like tomatoes. One needs no fig leaf if one never leaves the basement. $250 per oz. for all my customers, regardless of quantity, or legality. I have "patients," but I'm ultimately out there on my own, and don't give a shit.
as popeye said im not a doctor but i sure am loosing me patients....:jointsmile:Quote:
Originally Posted by senorx12562