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Good thing they were all lawyered up.
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Agents Raid Purported Medical Marijuana 'Club 420'
Posted: 10:47 am PDT May 11, 2010
Updated: 11:28 am PDT May 11, 2010
PORT ORCHARD, Wash. -- Narcotics agents raided three locations in Pierce and Thurston counties early Tuesday as part of an investigation into a club purporting to distribute medical marijuana, officials with the West Sound Narcotics Enforcement Team said.
Detectives said people in a group called North End Club 420 were making and selling pot for financial gain, in violation of the state's Medical Marijuana Act.
The act allows someone to grow and provide marijuana for one person at any one time, and it forbids the sales of marijuana.
A police operative with no authorization from a doctor bought marijuana from club members "in a manner that clearly indicates the organization is selling marijuana to multiple persons at a price which is even higher than it would cost to purchase on the street," the agency said in a news release.
Detectives have surveillance video and audio recordings of the transactions during the investigation, the agency said.
Copyright 2010 by KIROTV.com. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
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any word from NEC on what happened, and how they are doing now?
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Law enforcement team busts Tacoma medical marijuana dispensary | MORE TOP STORIES - The News Tribune
Law enforcement team busts Tacoma medical marijuana dispensary
South Sound law enforcement officers served three warrants this morning in connection with an investigation in a Tacoma-based medical marijuana dispensary.
The warrants were served at two Tacoma addresses (a home and an office building) and an Olalla home this morning, the West End Narcotics Enforcement Team reported.
Law enforcement served the warrants as part of an investigation into North End Club 420, a Tacoma exchange for medical marijuana patients. The club is one of three new exchanges in the city, The News Tribune reported in February.
Investigators suspect the founders of the clubs and others "are involved with the illegal manufacture and distribution of marijuana for the purpose of financial gain," a press release stated.
"Although the club appears to purport that they accept 'donations' for providing marijuana to people with valid medical marijuana authorizations, the investigation has led detectives to believe that the group's primary incentive is financial greed," the press release stated.
During the investigation, a police operative made several controlled purchases of marijuana from club members. The operative did not have a doctor's authorization for medical marijuana, law enforcement reports.
Investigators said the buys were conducted in "a manner that clearly indicates the organization is selling marijuana to multiple persons at a price which is even higher than it would cost to purchase on the street," the press release stated.
"The Club appears to be making thousands of dollars in unreported tax-free income from selling drugs to persons who may not qualify and profiting from taking advantage of those who have a legitimate and authorized medical need to use marijuana," the press release states.
Washington's medical marijuana law, which voters approved by initiative in 1998, allows for people with certain "debilitating or terminal illnesses" to have a limited amount of marijuana for medical purposes. The law, however, left unclear how the patients were supposed to obtain it. Buying and selling marijuana remained illegal.
It was not immediately clear whether any arrests were made as a result of this morning's police actions. In Tacoma, warrants were served at a home in the 3100 block of South Seventh Street and an office building on Oregon Avenue.
We'll update this post as more information becomes available.
UPDATE: The investigation into North End Club 420 began in January when a confidential informant came forward with information, Pierce County sheriff's detective Lynelle Anderson said.
"The informant said this is where they were able to buy from," she said of the West Sound Narcotics Enforcement Team. "They've been working it pretty hot and heavy since that time."
The team is comprised of investigators from Poulsbo police, Bremerton police, Kitsap County sheriff's, Port Orchard police, Shelton police, Mason County sheriff's and Pierce County sheriff's departments as well as the Washington State Patrol and the Naval Criminal Investigative Service.
The team is funded by the U.S. Department of Justice and its main area of responsibility is Kitsap and Mason counties.
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Originally Posted by killerweed420
Good thing they were all lawyered up.
C/P
Agents Raid Purported Medical Marijuana 'Club 420'
Posted: 10:47 am PDT May 11, 2010
Updated: 11:28 am PDT May 11, 2010
PORT ORCHARD, Wash. -- Narcotics agents raided three locations in Pierce and Thurston counties early Tuesday as part of an investigation into a club purporting to distribute medical marijuana, officials with the West Sound Narcotics Enforcement Team said.
Detectives said people in a group called North End Club 420 were making and selling pot for financial gain, in violation of the state's Medical Marijuana Act.
The act allows someone to grow and provide marijuana for one person at any one time, and it forbids the sales of marijuana.
A police operative with no authorization from a doctor bought marijuana from club members "in a manner that clearly indicates the organization is selling marijuana to multiple persons at a price which is even higher than it would cost to purchase on the street," the agency said in a news release.
Detectives have surveillance video and audio recordings of the transactions during the investigation, the agency said.
Copyright 2010 by KIROTV.com. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
Yet another reason WE ARE NOT OPEN TO THE PUBLIC!!!!... and we only accept "DONATIONS" for $10 a gram!! AND EVERY patient is screened to have their PROPER MMJ paperwork......sounds like they were way overcharging patients and trying to get rich!! this may not be the case as we all know the news to not give the correct truth in their stories...but it sure looks like leo got a case on them...
This is why i run a NOT FOR PROFIT PRIVATE network!!! we do make some $ but it is very little and only covers our expenses as a true not for profit should be!!! We just want to survive and provide patients with their medication at a REASONABLE price!!:rasta::rasta:
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I am a valid WA MMJ patient and a Club420 patient, and I thank god for their service, without which I'd be royally screwed and still trying to get into one of our state's "exclusive" underground dispensary compassionate coop outfits that wouldn't even answer the phone or respond to my emails....for months.... when I was looking for a safe, reliable, high quality supply for my meds...which i need just to stay a productive and contributing member of society.
....and, by the way, there's NOTHING overpriced or profiteering taking place at club420....far from it. Its a simple, humble group of loving and generous medical marijuana patients, with a simple shared mission: we help each other and make our spare meds available to those without resources or ability to provide for themselves....and do it out in the open, without FEAR.
Street "weed" is much more expensive, much lower quality, and always an unreliable source..... ....so, those of you who are speculating....STOP IT!
We're all in this TOGETHER...and what they do to one of us, they do to each and all of us.
[align=center]free the patients, free the plant, free the prisoners, free the planet.
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ion magic :hippy: (a sick old lady getting pretty fed up with the people of Washington state's idea of "compassion"!)
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Originally Posted by ionmagic
Street "weed" is much more expensive, much lower quality, and always an unreliable source..... ....so, those of you who are speculating....STOP IT!
I dunno about that. Funny.
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first off let me say, ive never been to club 420, so i realy cant talk or will i say anything about them, and i wish them the best and hope they recover from this. BUT stories LIKE this(wether the media got it 100% correct or not) is why i do not GO to dispenceries for my medicine. im not bashing or "hating" on anyone, just worried about my own safety, because if i dont who will. i WILL NOT help any dispencery that i know is only in it for the money, cause if patients that cant afford medication as it is why should they be screwed over by some greedy legal wanabe drug dealer only making a quick buck(dont take this the wrong way as being aimed at anyone, this is just how i feel). i am all for dispenceries but the fact that you dont know whats going on behind your back is what bothers me. again goodluck to C420 and hope you recover(for the PATIENTS who need you)
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Originally Posted by ionmagic
I am a valid WA MMJ patient and a Club420 patient, and I thank god for their service, without which I'd be royally screwed and still trying to get into one of our state's "exclusive" underground dispensary compassionate coop outfits that wouldn't even answer the phone or respond to my emails....for months.... when I was looking for a safe, reliable, high quality supply for my meds...which i need just to stay a productive and contributing member of society.
....and, by the way, there's NOTHING overpriced or profiteering taking place at club420....far from it. Its a simple, humble group of loving and generous medical marijuana patients, with a simple shared mission: we help each other and make our spare meds available to those without resources or ability to provide for themselves....and do it out in the open, without FEAR.
Street "weed" is much more expensive, much lower quality, and always an unreliable source..... ....so, those of you who are speculating....STOP IT!
We're all in this TOGETHER...and what they do to one of us, they do to each and all of us.
[align=center]free the patients, free the plant, free the prisoners, free the planet.
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ion magic :hippy: (a sick old lady getting pretty fed up with the people of Washington state's idea of "compassion"!)
DUDE seriously... they sent in a cop to " BUY " weed several times over several months WITHOUT a medical recommendation!!!!!! THATS ILLEGAL!!! you cant "Donate" weed to non patients and they were clearly "selling" to anyone or they wouldnt have been RAIDED!!!!!!
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Originally Posted by bestmedicine
DUDE seriously... they sent in a cop to " BUY " weed several times over several months WITHOUT a medical recommendation!!!!!! THATS ILLEGAL!!! you cant "Donate" weed to non patients and they were clearly "selling" to anyone or they wouldnt have been RAIDED!!!!!!
i will agree with this, if it is true and a cop had gone in multiple times and bought weed, well then they got what was coming....no disrespect to anyone, i have no right to talk about anyone i dont know, just my own oppinions.
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Originally Posted by G13budsmoker
i will agree with this, if it is true and a cop had gone in multiple times and bought weed, well then they got what was coming....no disrespect to anyone, i have no right to talk about anyone i dont know, just my own oppinions.
Except that according to the story the CI/cop(s) bought from club members, not club or club principals. They may or may not have sold to those without medical authorization at the club, but I do know that I was asked for mine before I got any medicine. As far as 'donating' or 'selling', neither one is legal in the State of Washington. Period. You cannot _legally_ transfer cannabis to another person except that when you're a caregiver caring for one patient.
There is no affirmative defense or exception except for whatever the current DEA research approval process is. WA mmj law does NOT provide for dispensaries, clubs, non-profits or any other ways to transfer cannabis without criminal liability. All it does is provide affirmative defense for those arrested with cannabis while WA state residents with a legitimate recommendation for cannabis from their doctor and provides for one patient/one caregiver setups.
So it would be nice if people pulled together and stopped jumping to conclusions and making accusations without having all the facts. My personal experience as a NEC420 member is that the people running it did their best to help _legitimate_ patients.
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Originally Posted by Weezing
Except that according to the story the CI/cop(s) bought from club members, not club or club principals. They may or may not have sold to those without medical authorization at the club, but I do know that I was asked for mine before I got any medicine. As far as 'donating' or 'selling', neither one is legal in the State of Washington. Period. You cannot _legally_ transfer cannabis to another person except that when you're a caregiver caring for one patient.
There is no affirmative defense or exception except for whatever the current DEA research approval process is. WA mmj law does NOT provide for dispensaries, clubs, non-profits or any other ways to transfer cannabis without criminal liability. All it does is provide affirmative defense for those arrested with cannabis while WA state residents with a legitimate recommendation for cannabis from their doctor and provides for one patient/one caregiver setups.
So it would be nice if people pulled together and stopped jumping to conclusions and making accusations without having all the facts. My personal experience as a NEC420 member is that the people running it did their best to help _legitimate_ patients.
i should of known someone would take what i said the wrong way, thats why i almost said nothing at all. read my first post, i stated i am not even talkin about C420 in perticular. just dispenceries period. and i was only agreeing that if a dispencery was caught selling to a non patient that they got what was right. if they are saying that the cop bought from a patient outside of the club well then that should be the patients fault, not C420's....like i said, i dont know the truth, or the full story so im not passing jugement or trying to drag someone down.
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Originally Posted by G13budsmoker
i should of known someone would take what i said the wrong way, thats why i almost said nothing at all. read my first post, i stated i am not even talkin about C420 in perticular. just dispenceries period. and i was only agreeing that if a dispencery was caught selling to a non patient that they got what was right. if they are saying that the cop bought from a patient outside of the club well then that should be the patients fault, not C420's....like i said, i dont know the truth, or the full story so im not passing jugement or trying to drag someone down.
I wasn't trying to attack what you said... I was trying to point out that the information so far is rather limited, and tried to clarify the apparent misperception of many mmj patients/clinics. Just because some prosecutors are not prosecuting some mmj clinics does not make them legal in WA. Sadly, that's the simple truth until the law changes.
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Originally Posted by Weezing
I wasn't trying to attack what you said... I was trying to point out that the information so far is rather limited, and tried to clarify the apparent misperception of many mmj patients/clinics. Just because some prosecutors are not prosecuting some mmj clinics does not make them legal in WA. Sadly, that's the simple truth until the law changes.
we cool :) .....honestly i didnt think ANY dispenceries were completely legal in wa anyways, but i dont know much about the politics and legalities of em in wa state...
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thank you. as we all know, law enforcement releases info to the press that substantiates their actions, and the press has little energy these days for digging for the truth, or withholding judgment and presenting just facts...they want to sensationalize....to spread fear, domination, and control. It is our responsiblity to understand this and not pretend otherwise.
the facts of the bust are unknown, and, frankly and unfortunately, will probably remain so. But, rather than dismiss this tragedy with smug "...if/ then they got what they deserved" flips of the disinterested hand, based on what some cub reporter spewed as a mouthpiece for the government, we must PRESUME their innocence, and rally for the larger cause.... medical marijuana's safe, sane and secure availability, and an end to the terror.
Here's what I do know: the two guys arrested at Club420 are human....kind, loving, compassionate humans who are dedicated to helping people like me, sick people who no longer want to rub elbows with unsavory street dealers so we/I can have my daily, life sustaining meds. If they slipped up and helped out some poor snitch roll playing like he was in agonizing desperation so he could entrap them...then the problem is with leo's tactics.
It is amazing to me how the various "compassion" players on the "pro mmj" side of the equation here in WA are such vultures....swooping down to pick the bones of a fallen comrade....almost reveling in their troubles....and with glee.
We all got to be thinking....who's next? That's what i mean by terror.
It just isn't right.
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Originally Posted by ionmagic
thank you. as we all know, law enforcement releases info to the press that substantiates their actions, and the press has little energy these days for digging for the truth, or withholding judgment and presenting just facts...they want to sensationalize....to spread fear, domination, and control. It is our responsiblity to understand this and not pretend otherwise.
the facts of the bust are unknown, and, frankly and unfortunately, will probably remain so. But, rather than dismiss this tragedy with smug "...if/ then they got what they deserved" flips of the disinterested hand, based on what some cub reporter spewed as a mouthpiece for the government, we must PRESUME their innocence, and rally for the larger cause.... medical marijuana's safe, sane and secure availability, and an end to the terror.
Here's what I do know: the two guys arrested at Club420 are human....kind, loving, compassionate humans who are dedicated to helping people like me, sick people who no longer want to rub elbows with unsavory street dealers so we/I can have my daily, life sustaining meds. If they slipped up and helped out some poor snitch roll playing like he was in agonizing desperation so he could entrap them...then the problem is with leo's tactics.
It is amazing to me how the various "compassion" players on the "pro mmj" side of the equation here in WA are such vultures....swooping down to pick the bones of a fallen comrade....almost reveling in their troubles....and with glee.
We all got to be thinking....who's next? That's what i mean by terror.
It just isn't right.
just so you know i wasnt even meaning it towards C420 when i said "...if/ then they got what they deserved", and only meant that if any dishonest place did this what would you expect. but i agree, with you fully on the fact that we need to not look down on a fellow mmj and pick bones. thats why i said i was never meaning to aim or pass jugement towards anyone, cause frankly if i dont know you then i wont talk about you. and yes if we could all rise together to be stronger then the people who are making these stupid laws and show them that it is all just a stupid game that they are playing with mj. it IS safe and it SHOULD be legal. dont take me the wrong way, any patient is a friend of mine. im not one to be jugemental or ASSUME anything, we are all together in this and everyone needs to support one another, not for themselves, but for EVERY patient and EVERYONE. we all know that mjane is the answer to peace, but the government doesnt want peace because it likes control WAY to much.
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We still have a lot of work to do. No reason dispensaries shouldn't be legal and we need to keep pushing for that. Never believe what leo releases to media, its usually bullshit but every dispensary operating in Washington knows they are illegal, there is no way to make it legal till we get the laws changed.
A couple of opinions. There is no such thing a s a not for profit business. Every nonprofit pays administration costs and some are receive huge paychecks from these organizations.
Any dispensary selling MMJ for more than $10 a gram is not trying to be a nonprofit. Wholesale prices are pretty low depending on quality and quantity of product bought. You can buy high quality MMJ wholesale for $200 an ounce all day long and even for less if you buy larger quantities. So as usual just try to be an informed consumer.
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Ever wonder if nec420 was just a ruse to gather patients, i.e.club members.?
Did anyone read what legal stuff I was posting on their site and then just got banned over some silly excuse of I disrespected a member? Which never happened...
The club members are not corp. members like weez notes...
Also note the task force contracts I posted and the memo from king county prosecutor.....
Sounds awfully fishy to me....we will find out if the raids had anything to do with the raid done on steve sarichs place.....time will show that one...and we will get the info....just a matter of time. Equal protections of the laws claim....so steve can't say well what about them guy's there...like he did with fat paul stanford, it's in the papers all about it.
ion dear, nec420 was pushing the envelope a bit...just my personal view of coarse....60 bucks an 8th was a bit over the top for compassion....30 would be compassion....again just my personal view....
Regardless of what fictitious name you fly by, exchanging cannabis sativa L for consideration is selling weed for a profit outside what the cost to grow it is...tis the theory leo uses......compassion or not...
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All dispensary owners know they are operating illegally. The smart ones stay low profile.
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I can't believe a fellow pot smoker would say such idiotic stuff about a group of guys that were trying to help us get our smoke that the state said we could have. Good guys that hung their ass on the line for alot of people in need. That's all that matters and should be end of the conversation.
As for the whining about pricing. Anybody that was there knows that you had several options when purchasing your meds...good,better and best. Like anything else, best quality costs more...period! How did you figure that they would pay for the easy-to-get-to location, a comfortable office and put food on the table without making a profit? How many bags do you think it took just to pay the rent?? Were these guys supposed to donate their time, their smoke, and pay all the expenses involved in running a dispensary designed to help others? Alot of you tight ass losers would have liked it that way, but it's not reality. P.S....if it was too much for you, DON"T BUY IT, LEAVE!!
I am extremely thankful to anybody that worked with the club, and look forward to further dealings after this cleans itself up.
Peace.
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Originally Posted by jamessr
Ever wonder if nec420 was just a ruse to gather patients, i.e.club members.?
Did anyone read what legal stuff I was posting on their site and then just got banned over some silly excuse of I disrespected a member? Which never happened...
The club members are not corp. members like weez notes...
Also note the task force contracts I posted and the memo from king county prosecutor.....
Sounds awfully fishy to me....we will find out if the raids had anything to do with the raid done on steve sarichs place.....time will show that one...and we will get the info....just a matter of time. Equal protections of the laws claim....so steve can't say well what about them guy's there...like he did with fat paul stanford, it's in the papers all about it.
ion dear, nec420 was pushing the envelope a bit...just my personal view of coarse....60 bucks an 8th was a bit over the top for compassion....30 would be compassion....again just my personal view....
Regardless of what fictitious name you fly by, exchanging cannabis sativa L for consideration is selling weed for a profit outside what the cost to grow it is...tis the theory leo uses......compassion or not...
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They will continue to raid because of the way the law is structured.....no way to collect revenue like other states.People will continue to pay court fees and fines so the state get's their money.I say place the blame on the original authors of the referendum they are the ones to not offer the state their cut.It's time to start from scratch and write another one,but throw the state a bone a big bone 1.$25 fee for ID card,7%sales tax,and a yearly$500 for producer permit.:cool:
What's that old saying again?
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.
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Originally Posted by thankfulKY
I can't believe a fellow pot smoker would say such idiotic stuff about a group of guys that were trying to help us get our smoke that the state said we could have. Good guys that hung their ass on the line for alot of people in need. That's all that matters and should be end of the conversation.
As for the whining about pricing. Anybody that was there knows that you had several options when purchasing your meds...good,better and best. Like anything else, best quality costs more...period! How did you figure that they would pay for the easy-to-get-to location, a comfortable office and put food on the table without making a profit? How many bags do you think it took just to pay the rent?? Were these guys supposed to donate their time, their smoke, and pay all the expenses involved in running a dispensary designed to help others? Alot of you tight ass losers would have liked it that way, but it's not reality. P.S....if it was too much for you, DON"T BUY IT, LEAVE!!
I am extremely thankful to anybody that worked with the club, and look forward to further dealings after this cleans itself up.
Peace.
It is truly sad that patients become accustomed to paying high prices...$10 a gram pays the bills!!! anything more is not compassionate to the patient period!!! even when running an illegal dispensary $10 a gram pays the bills..esp when wholesale is $200 an oz!!!!!! thats $80 an oz expense $..quite sufficent to pay the bills in even in the best location!! how much does it equate to when you charge $60 an 1/8th???? $480 an oz!!! my god so they make $280 off of each oz!!! and you call that "Expense money"!!!! I call BULLSHIT!!! if they charge that much truly then you guys have been getting taken advantage of and brain washed into thinking these "HIGH
ASS" prices are ok!!! like i say it is truly SAD... $10 a gram PERIOD no matter what kind of weed it is!!!!! go to seattle medical marijuana or go to elevated medical treatment or come up here and we are ALL $10 a gram!!!:rasta::rasta:
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Originally Posted by bestmedicine
It is truly sad that patients become accustomed to paying high prices...$10 a gram pays the bills!!! anything more is not compassionate to the patient period!!! even when running an illegal dispensary $10 a gram pays the bills..esp when wholesale is $200 an oz!!!!!! thats $80 an oz expense $..quite sufficent to pay the bills in even in the best location!! how much does it equate to when you charge $60 an 1/8th???? $480 an oz!!! my god so they make $280 off of each oz!!! and you call that "Expense money"!!!! I call BULLSHIT!!! if they charge that much truly then you guys have been getting taken advantage of and brain washed into thinking these "HIGH
ASS" prices are ok!!! like i say it is truly SAD... $10 a gram PERIOD no matter what kind of weed it is!!!!! go to seattle medical marijuana or go to elevated medical treatment or come up here and we are ALL $10 a gram!!!:rasta::rasta:
I suggest that unless you're intimately familiar with each business and their expenses, you refrain from jumping to conclusions. Fact is that each place has expenses other than cost of medicine, and all of those expenses vary. I doubt you know what those expenses are. For example, NEC420 provided amenities such as a patient lounge with television and entertainment console for patient use. Your website mentions that you have two available strains and no storefront, yet you think that it is reasonable for someone who pays rent to charge the same as you? You have no idea how much medicine any provider other than you gives away or provides below cost to patients who cannot afford it. You're just making a whole lot of inflammatory statements about people you know only through news stories. I am absolutely in no way shape or form involved with NEC420 or any other dispensary as a principal. I have benefitted from NEC420 as a patient and I have patronized at least one other provider. Trust me, brainwashing was not involved.
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Originally Posted by bestmedicine
It is truly sad that patients become accustomed to paying high prices...$10 a gram pays the bills!!! anything more is not compassionate to the patient period!!! even when running an illegal dispensary $10 a gram pays the bills..esp when wholesale is $200 an oz!!!!!! thats $80 an oz expense $..quite sufficent to pay the bills in even in the best location!! how much does it equate to when you charge $60 an 1/8th???? $480 an oz!!! my god so they make $280 off of each oz!!! and you call that "Expense money"!!!! I call BULLSHIT!!! if they charge that much truly then you guys have been getting taken advantage of and brain washed into thinking these "HIGH
ASS" prices are ok!!! like i say it is truly SAD... $10 a gram PERIOD no matter what kind of weed it is!!!!! go to seattle medical marijuana or go to elevated medical treatment or come up here and we are ALL $10 a gram!!!:rasta::rasta:
Seattle is a different market and different law officials.
As you can see from the events of today, it is allot more riskier to deal with any MJ issues in Pierce County.
With risk comes elevated price.
You are comparing apples to oranges, or should I say, sativa to indica to keep in the theme of things.
If the risks are considerably lower where you live to be busted, the price naturally drops.
it doesnt matter what the commodity be it bear gall bladder, coffee, tobacco, or cannabis.
It all works under the same principle.
Heck, back when the feds were eradicating pot and growers and grow shops were harrassed, and you could barely find a fresh halide bulb,. the prices shot up to over 500.00 an ounce in Seattle. This was back in the early and mid 80's.
Its all about supply and demand and as long as LEO makes the supply harder to come by in Pierce county, the prices will reflect this.
Btw Mr. Bestmedicine...any fed busts in Seattle lately?
I bet if/when they come down in your neighborhood, the grams wont be 10 bucks anymore...wanna bet?????
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Originally Posted by Weezing
I suggest that unless you're intimately familiar with each business and their expenses, you refrain from jumping to conclusions. Fact is that each place has expenses other than cost of medicine, and all of those expenses vary. I doubt you know what those expenses are. For example, NEC420 provided amenities such as a patient lounge with television and entertainment console for patient use. Your website mentions that you have two available strains and no storefront, yet you think that it is reasonable for someone who pays rent to charge the same as you? You have no idea how much medicine any provider other than you gives away or provides below cost to patients who cannot afford it. You're just making a whole lot of inflammatory statements about people you know only through news stories. I am absolutely in no way shape or form involved with NEC420 or any other dispensary as a principal. I have benefitted from NEC420 as a patient and I have patronized at least one other provider. Trust me, brainwashing was not involved.
I jumped to no conclusion other than the stated fact of what they charge an 1/8th... we have more than 2 strains.. just 2 featured...entertainment is NOT an expense im sorry..just becase i do not hve a storefront (which i will NEVER be open to the public) does not mean there is no expenses!! to make that statement is absolutely absurd...just like making over 100% profit on an oz selling $60 1/8ths
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Originally Posted by Lemonhoko
Seattle is a different market and different law officials.
As you can see from the events of today, it is allot more riskier to deal with any MJ issues in Pierce County.
With risk comes elevated price.
You are comparing apples to oranges, or should I say, sativa to indica to keep in the theme of things.
If the risks are considerably lower where you live to be busted, the price naturally drops.
it doesnt matter what the commodity be it bear gall bladder, coffee, tobacco, or cannabis.
It all works under the same principle.
Heck, back when the feds were eradicating pot and growers and grow shops were harrassed, and you could barely find a fresh halide bulb,. the prices shot up to over 500.00 an ounce in Seattle. This was back in the early and mid 80's.
Its all about supply and demand and as long as LEO makes the supply harder to come by in Pierce county, the prices will reflect this.
Btw Mr. Bestmedicine...any fed busts in Seattle lately?
I bet if/when they come down in your neighborhood, the grams wont be 10 bucks anymore...wanna bet?????
I agree there is more risk in the city but the risk does not out weigh the patients need for AFFORDABLE medication... and no raids have been done up in seattle... and just becaue the feds come down (we all have lawyers on retainer incurred initial operating expense) does not mean the price of a patients medication goes up... any court fees/fines a provider should expect to absorb not the PATIENT!! this is merely my point i am not bashing on the club i am bashing on the prices and the excuses for them.... The Patients have the right to affordable meds.. regardless where they live in the state...:rasta::rasta:
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North End Club 420 Raided
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Originally Posted by bestmedicine
I jumped to no conclusion other than the stated fact of what they charge an 1/8th... we have more than 2 strains.. just 2 featured...entertainment is NOT an expense im sorry..just becase i do not hve a storefront (which i will NEVER be open to the public) does not mean there is no expenses!! to make that statement is absolutely absurd...just like making over 100% profit on an oz selling $60 1/8ths
Amenities are an expense. That's one of the reasons you pay more for a burger at Metropolitan Grill than you do at Applebees. I didn't say that you have no expenses, I merely pointed out that you have no idea about actual expenses for other providers. Patients are perfectly capable of selecting their providers, and if some of them choose those providers with higher suggested donations, it isn't because the patients are brainwashed or stupid. Stop bitching about people who aren't even your competition and mouthing stupid slogans like "patients have a right to affordable medicine" and perhaps you'll be taken seriously.
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I will be so happy once I move to New Mexico where there are sane grown ups that use common sense.
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Originally Posted by Weezing
Amenities are an expense. That's one of the reasons you pay more for a burger at Metropolitan Grill than you do at Applebees. I didn't say that you have no expenses, I merely pointed out that you have no idea about actual expenses for other providers. Patients are perfectly capable of selecting their providers, and if some of them choose those providers with higher suggested donations, it isn't because the patients are brainwashed or stupid. Stop bitching about people who aren't even your competition and mouthing stupid slogans like "patients have a right to affordable medicine" and perhaps you'll be taken seriously.
Patients having a right to affordable medication is stupid??? cmon seriously??? if we overcharge patients then we are no better than the big pharmaceutical company that charges $30 for a pill that costs 3 cents to produce..... and no i do not know anybodies particular expenses but i do know those expenses can be kept to a bare minimum to keep prices low.. all i am saying is that prices are high and ppl wanna trip out over it cuz its their profit....sign of the unfortunate times to come...wont be long before the really sick people who cant work wont be able to get their meds.... its going to be big pharma real soon
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North End Club 420 Raided
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Originally Posted by bestmedicine
I agree there is more risk in the city but the risk does not out weigh the patients need for AFFORDABLE medication......:rasta::rasta:
I guess you dont get it.
If the risk is HIGH, patients wont get AFFORDABLE medicine...thats why you can gloat on your 10 dollar gram price, the risk is LOW in King County...right now.
Apples to Oranges again.
If and when the Feds show up in your county and do a few stings until they find a slip up, the supply will dry up like the mojave desert and you will talk about the days of the 10 dollar gram.
Btw, Im not a dispensary or have any business with any. This is JUST my opinion and nothing else.
I do like the people at the 420 club, they are ALL patients too.
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I would like to point out here about leo claiming profit and how they can say that.
I have read some caselaw and some legal sites which leo claims that any price over what it cost to produce the drug is profit....some states allow for reimbursement for growing as a provider/caregiver...
It is this theory in which they are using here...so please stop with all the my prices are cheaper and patients deserve better than you stuff...cost of my enterprise over yours guilty statements it is very non-productive to say the least...
The key is to locate the documents in the search warrant and I.D. the infiltrator(s). Just as we did in steves raid.....get the evidence that these fools are full of meat sausage.
We have been collecting info. on the task forces since they started...1996 is a lot of years to witness them commit extortion and violate the federal hobbs act...one day the head will come about into what these folks really do...
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Originally Posted by bestmedicine
Patients having a right to affordable medication is stupid??? cmon seriously??? if we overcharge patients then we are no better than the big pharmaceutical company that charges $30 for a pill that costs 3 cents to produce..... and no i do not know anybodies particular expenses but i do know those expenses can be kept to a bare minimum to keep prices low.. all i am saying is that prices are high and ppl wanna trip out over it cuz its their profit....sign of the unfortunate times to come...wont be long before the really sick people who cant work wont be able to get their meds.... its going to be big pharma real soon
Those '3 cent' pills don't appear out of thin air. A lot of money has been spent on research, approval, lawsuit expenses, marketing... Same deal with pot. Some providers spend money on comfortable and safe place for patients, some give away a lot of medicine, some do both, some do neither. Some get the cheapest available pot, others go for locally grown indoor lower yield varieties. I'd like to think that people can determine what constitutes good value.
I am sorry if I came off overly harsh, but you appear to not have thought out all of the factors involved. And yes, "right to affordable medication" is stupid. What's affordable? Ditch weed? Humboldt guerilla farmed weed, hydroponic weed? BC bud? Mexican? Nobody has a 'right' to others' labor at a discount. Some choose to provide charity, but access to charity isn't a right, it is a privilege. Some choose to profit, but as long as they don't force people to buy from them, that choice is between them and their god. Now, I have absolutely no idea whether NEC420 even made a net profit or if they were still offsetting initial investment, but clearly their expenses were greater than people advertising for meetings on craigslist. You seem like a reasonably nice guy with good intentions. Think about everything involved before you make accusations and insinuate things... it'll be better for everyone in the long run.
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Originally Posted by Lemonhoko
I guess you dont get it.
If the risk is HIGH, patients wont get AFFORDABLE medicine...thats why you can gloat on your 10 dollar gram price, the risk is LOW in King County...right now.
Apples to Oranges again....... explain why you feel that high risk (street dealers dont raise their prices) should equal high prices?? high risk means to me "illegal" .... I will always fight for a patient to get affordable meds..
If and when the Feds show up in your county and do a few stings until they find a slip up, the supply will dry up like the mojave desert and you will talk about the days of the 10 dollar gram......
The feds are already here and our documents are in order...(we do not break the law) Therefore there is no reason to bust us.... but im sure there is people that do not have their documents in order but them getting popped will not make me raise my prices!! imo we should be helping patients.... not helping our wallets.... you can add expenses all day easily to "justify" price... you know and i know it is all just a justification knowing that expenses can be taken way as easily as added... like i say i dont much care if ppl want to pay it i just find it apalling!!! I am sure the nec420 is a great club.. just high priced imo
Btw, Im not a dispensary or have any business with any. This is JUST my opinion and nothing else.
I do like the people at the 420 club, they are ALL patients too.
:rasta::rasta::rasta: wow didnt know i could type inside the quote....look up..lol
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Originally Posted by bestmedicine
(we do not break the law)
Im sorry to say if you are representing yourself as a dispesary, you are breaking the law just as much as the 420 club is.
I think the real subject of the issue is not the pricing but the fact...are dispensaries legal?
I dont see pharmacies being busted because they charge higher than any one else for their pills.
So if you are operating as a dispensary, you are breaking the law as much as the 420 club was....
Its time to stick together and not fight about these damn prices...just like any other market, if people dont buy the meds because they are over priced, then they will go out of business. But if they meet a need, then they deserve a place in the market just as much as the 5 or 10 dollar a gram sellers.
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I challenge you to find the word dispensary on my website... we are a private network of patients.it is not illegal for a patient to help another patient.. but whatever.... you guys are the ones who are (violently in some cases) Defensive about your prices....like i said imo its too much!!! i did NOT say they had no place in the market... but once again whatever!!! only ones fighting is you guys.. pissed off that someone else said your prices are too high....once again whatever i dont care if you like my opinion or not ... puff puff pass
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Wow, what a surprise. Now you folks are all arguing about prices and dispensaries and coops, and all.
I first of all, hope things work out for those folks up there. Never met them. I assume the web site is down too, not looked yet.
The first concern should be for the folks that got in trouble. Regardless of the reason. 10/gram = $283 per oz. What is street price? $300? I don't know, I follow the law and grow well within the quantity of plants for myself and my patient, I haven't bought weed since 1993. Then it was $40 a quarter and only fair.
The law specifically states dispensaries are illegal... and Club420 said they were a dispensary.
This State needs a way for folks to get their medicine without the risk of buying street drugs that do not have the attention to growth that is necessary to provide really good medicine.
This whole thing is a big mess, I feel for the folks up there. Bummer
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North End Club 420 Raided
I had to clean up a piss fest in here this morning and it wasn't appreciated! I'd advise that EVERYBODY that reads this go to the link and look it over hard and heavy because from here on out infractions WILL be issued.
http://boards.cannabis.com/introduce...ard-rules.html
-- Asking for a hookup or a request for Mail Order Marijuana or anything of the related will result in an IMMEDIATE PERMANENT BAN this includes selling/asking/offering ANYTHING, including seeds, hydro,lights, grow equipment, etc etc, these are all a NO-NO
-- No Racism, No Personal Attacks on Others and or Co-Ops/Dispensaries, No threats of violence and/or the Like
-- No Vendor Requests, No Making business dealings with Co-Ops/Dispensaries
-- No Posts containing email addresses and/or the like
Likewise, if the only reason you joined this site was to be a troll and dish out insults think of this; How much time did it take you to join and post? It took me less than a minute to delete a recent trolls posts along with a permanent ban on that member. Waste your time if it's really that meaningless.
On a personal note, if some of you are so pissed off about pricing, etc. then why don't ya try to go back to living in an inbred state like I live in. There are no co-ops and if you try to do it on your own you can end up like myself with a felony on your record, jail time served, and all the fines that go along with it. If people in need don't grow their own they end up paying $400/oz on the street for "nugs" or $160/oz. for brick weed.
I'll be checking out ALL the threads/posts in the Medical Marijuana States forums on a daily basis and if this happens again don't be shocked with the results. This thread is now CLOSED!
Have a good one!:thumbsup:
