your dispensary could be next

how will dispensaries provide 70% of their own stock, and not have 100 plants?

Romer has set you up!


HIGHLANDS RANCH MAN, CHRISTOPHER BARTKOWICZ, INDICTED FOR MARIJUANA DISTRIBUTION OPERATION
DENVER -- Christopher Bartkowicz, of Highlands Ranch, Colorado, was indicted by a federal grand jury late yesterday on charges of distribution and possession with intent to distribute 100 or more marijuana plants, regardless of weight, maintaining a drug-involved premises, and distribution or manufacturing near a school, United States Attorney David Gaouette and Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) Special Agent in Charge Jeffrey Sweetin announced. The defendant is free on a $10,000 secured property bond

Bartkowicz was first charged by Criminal Complaint on February 16, 2010 after the DEA conducted a consensual search at Bartkowicz's residence. Barkowicz later waived his right to indictment, and was charged by Information on March 5, 2010. At a change of plea hearing on April 16, 2010, scheduled at the request of the defendant, Bartkowicz announced his intention to go to trial on the charges. The grand jury then returned the 3 count indictment yesterday.

According to the indictment, on February 12, 2010, Bartkowicz knowingly and intentionally manufactured, distributed, dispensed, and possessed with intent to distribute 100 or more marijuana plants, regardless of weight. Also, between December 12, 2009, and February 12, 2010, Bartkowicz knowingly leased, rented, used and maintained a place, whether permanently or temporarily, for the purpose of manufacturing, distributing, and using any controlled substance, which in this case was marijuana. Lastly, on February 12, 2010, the defendant knowingly and intentionally manufactured, distributed, dispensed, and possessed with intent to distribute a quantity of 100 or more marijuana plants, regardless of weight, within 1000 feet of a school, namely Sand Creek Elementary.

The indictment also includes a forfeiture allegation, which states in part that Bartkowicz shall forfeit to the United States any and all property, real or personal, constituting or derived from any proceeds the defendant obtained directly or indirectly as a result of the crime alleged, and any and all property used in any manner or part to commit and to facilitate the commission of the violations alleged in the indictment.

If convicted of distribution and possession with intent to distribute 100 or more marijuana plants, regardless of weight, the defendant faces not less than 5 years, and not more than 40 years in federal prison, as well as a fine of not more than $2,000,000. Regarding this count, if the defendant has prior convictions for separate felony drug offenses, then he faces not less than 10 years, and up to life in prison, as well as a $4,000,000 fine. If convicted of maintaining a drug-involved premises, the defendant faces not more than 20 years in federal prison, and up to a $500,000 fine. If convicted of distribution or manufacturing in or near schools, and the defendant has at least one prior felony drug conviction, then he faces three times the maximum punishment, which in this case is 60 years imprisonment.

This case was investigated by the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA).

The defendant is being prosecuted by Assistant U.S. Attorneys M.J. Menendez and Robert Mydans.

The charges contained in the indictment are only allegations and the defendant is presumed innocent unless and until proven guilty.

Lots of air conditioners and vertical lights I suppose.

Catch 22 to the fawking max right here. Now supply is going to be much lower than demand and prices will raise significantly. Patients access affordable meds are obliterated with this bill.

Mike

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Originally Posted by Feijao

Lots of air conditioners and vertical lights I suppose.

Catch 22 to the fawking max right here. Now supply is going to be much lower than demand and prices will raise significantly. Patients access affordable meds are obliterated with this bill.

Mike

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yup,i remember when everyone was making fun of the guy i don't think they had a clue how it would end up effecting them.this will be a case where it backs leo and they can use it to hurt others.maybe not so funny anymore huh people???

Greenhouse w/ 98 plants yielding 3-5 lbs each.

Summer and winter runs with winter augmented with HIDs.

A dispensary could grow over 500 lbs / year that way.

Is that enough?

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Greenhouse w/ 98 plants yielding 3-5 lbs each.

Summer and winter runs with winter augmented with HIDs.

A dispensary could grow over 500 lbs / year that way.

Is that enough?

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You've got it all figured out, sounds easy, plenty of variety and top notch quality too, I bet. :wtf:

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You've got it all figured out, sounds easy, plenty of variety and top notch quality too, I bet. :wtf:

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I'll take greenhouse herb over indoor any day if they were both grown properly. This would actually be a competitive advantage in the market.

I never said it has to be a monoculture. Growing in a greenhouse doesn't mean you can't grow different strains. There's plenty of strains to choose from that can grow and yield big, including Sativas that wouldn't do as well indoor and/or take a long time to mature. Again:competitive advantage to the greenhouse grower, IMO.

I can't think of a better solution for disps to meet 70%. Natural sunlight is the answer to growing enough without going over 100. Do you have a better idea?

Some of the best herb I've seen has been od or greenhouse. A vast majority of indoor can't compare.

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Do you have a better idea?
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I've seen and smoked the cali outdoor, colorado outdoor, and the top shelf you see at disp's is all indoor, theres a reason. Anyways, I do have a better idea. It's not an idea really, its more like whats going to happen. It's called a patient network. And I suggest that everyone start getting connected, because one this passes its only a matter of time before you'll be paying $60 for an 8th of outdoor with 8% THC.

when there are 5 people growing on every block, they'll be wishing there were dispensaries again.

I'm ready to help some people get set up. I guess we wait till this is done, then when the game changes - THE GAME CHANGES!

Let's teach some classes and give some clones away.

and the market, it will continue to get bigger & I guarantee the black market will be cheaper and better!

Michigan has the same 5 patient / caregiver rule. They are forming collectives, loosely based upon traditional farm collectives and it works well for them.

The new CO law that prohibits "joining together," and as I understand that's specifically for cultivation purposes. But, the traditional farmer collective model might work well here in CO. Although it's not specifically addressed in the new law and likely a gray area, it's worth exploring.

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when there are 5 people growing on every block, they'll be wishing there were dispensaries again.

I'm ready to help some people get set up. I guess we wait till this is done, then when the game changes - THE GAME CHANGES!

Let's teach some classes and give some clones away.

and the market, it will continue to get bigger & I guarantee the black market will be cheaper and better!

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With a patient network, affordable, quality meds will be available if you know the right people. I agree with you on helping others grow. I don't know about you guys but I'd rather see 20,000 independent caregivers making a MODEST living, providing good quality meds at a reasonable price than a few greedy bastards controlling the market and forcing patients to buy inferior meds at outrageous prices.

I'm fine with staying small, I hate seeing big caregivers trying to get rich off the patients as it gives us all a bad name. I do have the patients best interest at heart and there are plenty of other caregivers with me on all of this. I know for a fact we are better off providing the medicine for ourselves than to let the government take over it. I'll never support them with my money.

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Originally Posted by copobo

when there are 5 people growing on every block, they'll be wishing there were dispensaries again.

I'm ready to help some people get set up. I guess we wait till this is done, then when the game changes - THE GAME CHANGES!

Let's teach some classes and give some clones away.

and the market, it will continue to get bigger & I guarantee the black market will be cheaper and better!

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THAT is THE ticket. Overgrow the Government!

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Originally Posted by copobo

when there are 5 people growing on every block, they'll be wishing there were dispensaries again.

I'm ready to help some people get set up. I guess we wait till this is done, then when the game changes - THE GAME CHANGES!

Let's teach some classes and give some clones away.

and the market, it will continue to get bigger & I guarantee the black market will be cheaper and better!

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i think it's just what they want.this puts it back on the people and opens the door to leo in a big way.lets not forget feds here either.

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I'll take greenhouse herb over indoor any day if they were both grown properly. This would actually be a competitive advantage in the market.

I never said it has to be a monoculture. Growing in a greenhouse doesn't mean you can't grow different strains. There's plenty of strains to choose from that can grow and yield big, including Sativas that wouldn't do as well indoor and/or take a long time to mature. Again:competitive advantage to the greenhouse grower, IMO.

I can't think of a better solution for disps to meet 70%. Natural sunlight is the answer to growing enough without going over 100. Do you have a better idea?

Some of the best herb I've seen has been od or greenhouse. A vast majority of indoor can't compare.

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for 1 that would be hard to do how many green houses you know that are that big?theft? winter?it's 10k for every offsite grow anyways couple that with the cost of finding 1 on top of building it and so on.besides all of that with only being able to run 100 plants as a big shop the diffrent strains would be very low compared to whats out there now.im not against greenhouses or outdoor for that matter but to say it's the best and indoor can't compare is laughable.hell i wish i could have a green house on top of an indoor.but the danger is to great in your own yard unless you lived in bfe.

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With a patient network, affordable, quality meds will be available if you know the right people. I agree with you on helping others grow. I don't know about you guys but I'd rather see 20,000 independent caregivers making a MODEST living, providing good quality meds at a reasonable price than a few greedy bastards controlling the market and forcing patients to buy inferior meds at outrageous prices.

I'm fine with staying small, I hate seeing big caregivers trying to get rich off the patients as it gives us all a bad name. I do have the patients best interest at heart and there are plenty of other caregivers with me on all of this. I know for a fact we are better off providing the medicine for ourselves than to let the government take over it. I'll never support them with my money.

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i agree but the 5 patient limit is no good well it all is no good.and these lil shops depend on us small guys more than people know.for 1 it keeps things fresh and new diffrent product coming in.i do know that alot of places carry whatever they can get it and quality can and does suffer for that.thats the fly by nite never grown shit types tho.that also comes down to the shops which case in point only goes to shop even as it sits now.there is so much demand for product that the shops will in most cases take what they can instead of having dry shelfs.

I hope I didn't post this already and I forgot the link to the article, but I read that the CO prison population is dropping rapidly over the last year! They hypothesized to come up with every explanation that they could and nobody suggested that it was possibly due to recent decriminalization in a few cities and progress on MMJ!! Huh...

Seems like a win-win as we have ridiculously overpopulated prisons.

There are people trying to blow up American cities, the threat from Leo is small. The REAL weapon they have is fear. They KNOW we're not a threat. At one time, I'm telling you, people REALLY thought that MJ was awful and that it lead to a LOT of evil. THEY REALLY BELIEVED THIS FOLKS!! So if you believe something, and dedicate your life, and put your life on the line to enforce the rules, then yeah, it's going to be hard to let go.

But science and logic and plain old "proof is in the pudding" reality have shown that MJ is NOT what the overwhelming majority of Americans believed, even just 20 or so years ago. Leo is not interested in us. A lot of times when you read about a bust, they either later win in court, on appeal, or else there was something else going on. REALLY. I have a friend who researches this stuff as a scientist would, case by case. The odds of ANYONE who is staying within our state constitution and not doing dirt somewhere else, is slim to none. Really.

And even at that, I will die on my feet before I live on my knees again. but that is something for each man to decide for himself. Unless they are a girl, in which case she can decide for herself. Unless you are a transgender, and then I don't know what the fuck you do, but you can still have courage. :jointsmile:

peace.

Gotta add that a LOT of people are in the pen just for being dumb. If you've ever spent any time hanging in general pop, and God knows I have, you come to understand this. Leo will ALWAYS be interested in idiots. Some morons NEED locked up before they hurt somebody.

Survival of the Fittest.

peace.

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for 1 that would be hard to do how many green houses you know that are that big?theft? winter?it's 10k for every offsite grow anyways couple that with the cost of finding 1 on top of building it and so on.besides all of that with only being able to run 100 plants as a big shop the diffrent strains would be very low compared to whats out there now.im not against greenhouses or outdoor for that matter but to say it's the best and indoor can't compare is laughable.hell i wish i could have a green house on top of an indoor.but the danger is to great in your own yard unless you lived in bfe.

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50 ft^2 / plant * 100 = 5000 square feet. Thats actually a VERY SMALL greenhouse as far as greenhouses go.

Theft is always an issue. I wouldn't advertise where you grow. Hire a security company and get insured.

For me to say indoor can't compete is laughable? Well, what's best is only personal opinion, but that statement makes me think you've never been involved with growing in a greenhouse before... which makes the fact that you've expressed an opinion in this matter laughable.

The different strains would be lower? Well, you are limited to just under 100 strains I guess. You'd be able to grow strains that are too long or difficult indoors. Have you ever seen pure Sativas in a greenhouse? Probably not or you wouldn't be showing your ignorance here either.

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50 ft^2 / plant * 100 = 5000 square feet. Thats actually a VERY SMALL greenhouse as far as greenhouses go.

Theft is always an issue. I wouldn't advertise where you grow. Hire a security company and get insured.

For me to say indoor can't compete is laughable? Well, what's best is only personal opinion, but that statement makes me think you've never been involved with growing in a greenhouse before... which makes the fact that you've expressed an opinion in this matter laughable.

The different strains would be lower? Well, you are limited to just under 100 strains I guess. You'd be able to grow strains that are too long or difficult indoors. Have you ever seen pure Sativas in a greenhouse? Probably not or you wouldn't be showing your ignorance here either.

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Wow you really have a strong opinion on greenhouse meds. Can they really simulate a perfect enviroment like a closed grow enviroment with no ventilation? Forget about, the point is you don't have to work in a greenhouse to decide whether you prefer outdoor or organic indoor. My celings are high enough to grow 8ft sativas, if you know know when to put them into flower you can grow any strain indoors. I'd chill out on calling people ignorant bro ham.

can't you have different grow houses/warehouses etc. for each owner/manager attatched to the dispensary? so you could have 99 plants per each owner? as long as they were seperated?

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can't you have different grow houses/warehouses etc. for each owner/manager attatched to the dispensary? so you could have 99 plants per each owner? as long as they were seperated?

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I do believe they can but it would take each location having a license. The added cost could make it prohibitive but we do not know exactly what that might be.

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50 ft^2 / plant * 100 = 5000 square feet. Thats actually a VERY SMALL greenhouse as far as greenhouses go.

Theft is always an issue. I wouldn't advertise where you grow. Hire a security company and get insured.

For me to say indoor can't compete is laughable? Well, what's best is only personal opinion, but that statement makes me think you've never been involved with growing in a greenhouse before... which makes the fact that you've expressed an opinion in this matter laughable.

The different strains would be lower? Well, you are limited to just under 100 strains I guess. You'd be able to grow strains that are too long or difficult indoors. Have you ever seen pure Sativas in a greenhouse? Probably not or you wouldn't be showing your ignorance here either.

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really? you expect someone to grow 100 diffrent strains at once all under same conditions? on top of that only 1 plant per strain?really? then you have the nerve to pretty much call me a moron? now thats laughable. yes i have seen pure sats in a green house enviroment also pure indy's to. you suggest to throw them all in the same room and get great better than anything on earth results"greenhouse style"? lmao ok dude keep on keeping on i guess......

on top of all that a shop is going to be able to have enough on hand growing this way to supply all of their patients/random walk in's? im speechless here lmao...

The 70/30 is laughable. The law doesn't distinguish various forms of MMJ. If you have 10 lbs of trim, that counts towards your whole % number, so you could resell a few lbs of high grade MMJ without any problem. It just means patient acquisition will be key so dispensaries can justify the amt of trim/etc they have around.

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really? you expect someone to grow 100 diffrent strains at once all under same conditions? on top of that only 1 plant per strain?really? then you have the nerve to pretty much call me a moron? now thats laughable. yes i have seen pure sats in a green house enviroment also pure indy's to. you suggest to throw them all in the same room and get great better than anything on earth results"greenhouse style"? lmao ok dude keep on keeping on i guess......

on top of all that a shop is going to be able to have enough on hand growing this way to supply all of their patients/random walk in's? im speechless here lmao...

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Yes, there is a happy medium where most types of mj will do well. If this doesn't work as well as you'd like you could subdivide it and have separate environmental controls. I didn't say you HAVE to have so many different strains either, but that being "limited" isn't a problem.

I didn't call you a moron, but you calling what I said "laughable" in your first reply to me is condescending and rude. And yes, you are ignorant. It's not an insult, just a fact. You don't know as much as you think you do. Your ego is so big when someone says another growing method might work better you get defensive and insulting. Grow up.

This thread was about how to be able to produce as much as needed with under 100 plants. It's a difficult problem and a worth discussion, but who wants to talk to people who act like you?

And turboawd admitted he hasn't any experience and still thinks a carefully controlled indoor environment is so good? Ha! Dude, I've grown both plants and shrooms indoor and out. Indoor grown stuff is great, but it doesn't have the strength, energy, yield and overall quality of outdoor crops. Greenhouse is the best of both worlds, IMO. Environmental control with natural sunlight. HIDs just can't compete.

While its true you can grow much larger plants in greenhouses to say the quality is much better is complete BS and if anything could produce inferior product. HID lights add more than enough light for a plants potency to reach its full potential they just do not penetrate to the lower portion of the plant like sunlight does. Temperatures are also much harder to control in greenhouses wich could reduce potency not to mention cloudy days.

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Michigan has the same 5 patient / caregiver rule. They are forming collectives, loosely based upon traditional farm collectives and it works well for them.

The new CO law that prohibits "joining together," and as I understand that's specifically for cultivation purposes. But, the traditional farmer collective model might work well here in CO. Although it's not specifically addressed in the new law and likely a gray area, it's worth exploring.

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Ahhh good ol home!! Gawd I wish I were there to see them in their infincy!!! I can't wait to go back home to see friends and see what's up with our brothers and sisters in the in the left hand state!

Peace and Props to Michiganders!
JaB