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Ran into this article completely on accident, and in a odd way too. Was on a website that I just wanted to grab a link for a friend of mine for a documentary called "Ras Cuba". started looking at some pics they had on the site, saw some guy holding a sign that said "savetherich.com" went there, and found this article lol. enjoy!
Open Memo to Media: This is What Astroturf Looks Like | Save the Rich
that corporate and and partisan interests should become involved in such a movement isn't surprising. there is no way to stop their involvement and the funding they provide can only help to spread the message. this doesn't mean that there isn't a core of concerned individuals among those who merely wish to profit (try to remember that profit is not a sin). the concepts of smaller government and reduced taxation are of benefit to a majority of americans, including business and other conservative interests. it seems the only ones that really profit from demonizing the tea party folks are those who depend solely on the welfare state and the proponents of an intrusive federal government, most notably the liberal politicians themselves and their sycophantic minions.
no it isn't surprising in the least, what would be a surprise would be if the corporate and partisan interest groups allowed Government to be ran by the people that are represented by it.Quote:
Originally Posted by delusionsofNORMALity
corporations are made up of the people and those partisan groups are made up of the people. even lobbyists represent various interests that are a part of the people. why should their voice not be heard as well? why shouldn't america's most productive sector be represented along with the denizens of the welfare state?Quote:
Originally Posted by RedLocks
I thought the teabaggers were all redneck morons who cling to their god and guns? The New York Times runs an article on Sunday saying the tea party is actually made up of educated citizens, and Tuesday we are hearing its all about " Saving the Rich" and big buisness saving the rich people. These folks are DESPERATE to find a line of attack against the "tea party".......desperate.
wasn't it like 2 years ago we were listening to "Protest is Patriotic." Hilarious.
we know that it is the nature of the powerful to protect their power. the more power they have, the harder they will fight to preserve it. just as baby bush and company labeled their democratic opponents anti-american and nixon labeled the entire anti-war movement as criminal, the massive democratic majority now in power is attempting to vilify its opposition by any means possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Islandborn
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Aren't the Corporations already heavily represented? Republicans and republican interests are already heavily represented by.. the Republican party. Is it a movement to take America back "for the people" or to take congress back "for the Republicans and their corporate sponsors" or "for the 5%" Even though dems get called elitist by their opposition, does that mean the opposition isn't a bunch of millionaires?
As far as being "the most successful sector".. there is no success in Privilege, just Privilege and for the most part, I seriously doubt there is a CEO in a major corporation out there that wasn't born into Privilage, be it White Privilege or just Class Based
somewhat surprised that you would be defending Corporate interests under that avatar of yours bro ;)
2 years ago Republicans were the Nazis and Communists ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Islandborn
by the way, the people funding and manipulating the Tea Party aren't the Tea Party, just the puppet masters.
there is a large segment of the "republican" voters who have begun to feel alienated by that party. the republican party, like their counterparts across the aisle, have ceased to represent conservative concerns, many of them the very tenets this country was founded on. many people see this as the impetus for the creation of the tea party movement. if republicans are to return to their roots and regain any real power, it can only be by embracing the ideals of their conservative base or surrendering entirely to the waste and mediocrity of the democrats' socialistic stylings. of course business would align itself with the individualist concepts of conservatism. it would be foolhardy to believe that an economy controlled by the state could provide the necessary freedoms that business needs to thriveQuote:
Originally Posted by RedLocks
what i said was "productive". there is no doubt that the business community is far more productive than those who are served by the welfare state. being successful is a subjective determination, success meaning different things to different people. being productive is a simple matter of a person's effect on the community. can anyone deny that it is american business that has allowed the country as a whole to become a major power? similarly, can anyone deny that the acceptance of an expanding welfare state is detrimental to the nation's financial and even ethical well-being? the handouts and entitlements, the endless nanny-state regulations and do-nothing social programs are little more than an attempt to penalize productivity for the sake of mediocrity. the use of government's threat of violence cannot replace the charitable intentions that reside within us all.Quote:
As far as being "the most successful sector".. there is no success in Privilege, just Privilege and for the most part, I seriously doubt there is a CEO in a major corporation out there that wasn't born into Privilege, be it White Privilege or just Class Based
it appears as if you subscribe to the notion that privilege is evil. is it wrong that the father should wish to pass down to his son what he has earned? the privilege of wealth is an earned privilege and demonizing its recipients is base envy, an envy that is played upon by the unscrupulous in their quest for power. divisions of race, religion, class and the myriad other concepts that separate us are also the product of that struggle for power combined with our own ignorance. each time we surrender to that ignorance we strengthen the divisions and chip away at our own right to self-determination. bias certainly exists and it should be stamped out where it interferes with the rights of others, but claiming it as an excuse for failure or the sole reason for success only plays into the hands of those who wish to keep us divided.
what i defend is the right of the individual, every individual, to own himself and the fruits of his labor. corporations may be legal entities, but they were created by individuals and are the outcome of their labors. i abhor their evil when they do evil and i praise their charity when they do good works, but i do not paint them all with the broad brush of villainy simply because of their wealth. there is no sin in wealth, only in the concentration on the material to the detriment of all else.Quote:
somewhat surprised that you would be defending Corporate interests under that avatar of yours bro
Holy fragmented post delusions, shit going to kill mi! haha, be back later on when I got some free time to deal wit... :D
ok one fragment at a time here..Quote:
Originally Posted by delusionsofNORMALity
Agreed. Heard some talk from former Republican Politicians that feel the party is not what it once was and no longer associate themselves with the party. Now there are the Politicians that are still active with the party, and they are desperately trying to jump on the Tea boat to be one of the cool kids, but is that going to redirect the Republicans back to their... roots, or is it just a way to weasel their way back into ... Power. Meanwhile the Tea Party is comprised of every political walk of life, all displeased with the direction the Government is heading for so long but is being spearheaded by Conservative media and special interest.
No, Privilege by itself is not evil, it is the effect it has on Eurocentric minds that I object with. People who are born into Privilege tend to view the world through Privilege colored glasses, and look at the adversity of another and say, yeah well I had to wait on a long line at the shopping center because I had one item too many for the Express Line so get over it. I just can't shake the feeling, it breeds bigotry under the guise of equality and tolerance. This is by far not the only problem with privilege, but I have no idea where this thread is going so I'm gonna stop this reply... NowQuote:
Originally Posted by delusionsofNORMALity
okay, now I gotta ask, who is that? I've always thought that was Janis Joplin. ??Quote:
Originally Posted by RedLocks
voting on young ozzy or could be janis, either way, something that exists apart from the mainstream. Cept for Ozzy going on tv with his own show and all.. pretty sure he didn't realize he was on tv tho ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by boaz
The Tea Party is backed by Ronny Raygun leftovers and if you liked the Raygun years with double digit inflation then go for it.I would love the Green party and Libertarian party to merge with Dennis Kucinich and Ron Paul running as President and VP.:thumbsup:
:D yeah, Ozz my second guess, but no glasses, tho. but, yeah, your right, could be a young Oz :smokin: off topic? but :rastasmoke: did you guys know Tony Iommy, the guitarist for Sabbath, was born with out fingertips. he glued leather tips to his fingers. :smokin: I think that's why he such a unique sound, nothing sounds quite like the original sabbath. :pimp:Quote:
Originally Posted by RedLocks
corporations are made up of people/citizens. each citizen has a vote. you shouldn't need/be allowed, to have another vote, just because you're part of the internal workings of a major corporation. it's "we the people," not "we the people, and the people that make up major corporations." we all have a voice, individually, not as a group that makes tremendous monetary contributions to parties. when the supreme court allowed corporations the right to make those huge contributions, they fucked up, and fucked u.s.! and the tea party, what a joke! for the most part, a bunch of gun toting hillbillies. people are still under the wrong impression that obama is gonna take away guns. any group that claims palin as part of their inner workings, is a JOKE!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by delusionsofNORMALity
of course it's janis!!! but then, i suppose it's time for a change.Quote:
Originally Posted by boaz
oops, i forgot i'm not on my own computer. guess i'll have to wait til i get home to make the switch.
i just want to point out that both reps and dems are representing corporate america. The amount of campaign contributions is one of the biggest factors in being elected. The majority of contributions come from big business. Its not reasonable for anyone to expect that wouldn't impact decisions. If you run enough commercials, get your message repeated enough times, ppl start to believe. The american system is now setup with two powerful well funded parties fighting it out, why would the media ,who's profits are made from ratings and commercials, spend much of their political coverage on anything other than that fight? IMO changing how politics is financed is the only way for americans to regain the influence that has been slowly slipping away since the industrial revolution.
Mystery solved! lol, Boaz got mi think bout it, started to morph into Ozzy..Quote:
Originally Posted by delusionsofNORMALity
and Boaz that no finger tip thing, that is bugged out...:D
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Originally Posted by delusionsofNORMALity
Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose.
The Tea Party movement is actually made up of a wide cross of Republicans, Democrats, and Libertarians who are pissed off that the elected leaders of this country are ignoring the will of the people, the out of control spending that takes place whenever the left controls the legislature and the executive branch at the same time, and the attack upon personal liberties, rights, and law based upon our fundamental law of the land. (President Bush was no better by the way). The only danger is that it might draw votes from the right in the next election if it presents is a third party candidate and that it will eliminate any possible second term by a communist President.Quote:
Originally Posted by Washedout
Double digit inflation was rampant under the Carter Administration, not President Reagan. Economic expansion was greatest ever under that President and during the Clinton administration when the Republicans held the Senate and forced by party line to limit the power of the executive branch at the time.
It was the policies enacted by Ronald Reagan that helped the US avoid a major depression due among other things taxes being raised, no controlled spending, and high fed funding rates during the Carters years, resulting in severe inflation.
Ronald Reagan is one of a only a few Presidents who actually came from a life other than privilege; raised in poverty by a largely absent alcoholic father, he went on to become the spokeman for many generations as he is credited with becoming one of the very first color commentators in sports ever, worked his way through college, earning a degree in economics, and among many other achievements, he was the only governor of California during the last half of the century to operate the state of California in the black after eliminating a huge, huge, insolvency due to the former leaders of that state. And yes, I actually read his biography, researched his policies in contrast with Carters, lived through those years, and have written several published papers regarding that specific economic time period.
(for the record, I'm not a nuthugger to anyone, however when I see inaccuracy stated when the facts are clear, I have to speak up. I also included exctensive research regarding this specific period of our history in the textbook I am currently writing/editing on economics)
Many of the same economic theories and thoughts that defined the Carter administration as the worst in history are being applied in even greater zeal by a current administration.
President Reagan was the antidote for those mistakes made by the Carter admin, not the result.
The biggest mistake people on this board and so many other places regarding politics and economics is letting personal thought and feelings rewrite history. Facts do not change, and regardless of political ideology, stupidity, ignorance, and reluctance to admit fault will ALWAYS result in those facts becoming revisited with a much greater consequence. The current administration is a great example of this statement.
I do like Ron Paul however, Dennis Kucinich is no longer a political player and pretty much irrelevant.
I believe Paul Krugman would have a field day with that logic it was Raygun's deregulation that sarted what we see today.Carter was dealimg with alot of issues like a bloated military budget that is worse today and Barry rampimg up the war is insane.But the darling of the tea party Mrs.Palin loves to get her war on so you figure.I personally like to keep the troops out of an unjust war gives us more MMJ(no PTSD or other injuries)plus we have no right to kill people for their resources.