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Hello Everyone,
I was told that it's allowed to have '15 mature plants' and that starters under a certain height don't count.
It seems this would make common sense, but I can't find anywhere that is says for example having 20 starters would be OK as long as you weed out 5 or more weak ones before they get to 12"
Is this true?
Does anybody have a link to where this is specifically written in law?
I don't have quick access to RCW law on this subject, but if I recall from my last review, but I believe a plant with roots is a plant. A seedling may be a plant too. My explanation is probably lacking in clarity, but I'm pretty sure height is not in the equation. I'm sure others will be johnny-on-the-spot with a better answer.
What he said ^^^
Anything with a root is a plant. However, in most cases, law enforcement will merely take plants they feel are over the limit without charging the patient... in most cases.
Ours is a pretty vague law. 15 is the guideline of any size plant. You can have more but you have to be able to prove a medical neccesity for it.
We have many cases in law which states anything with any roots is a plant. I will search for the specific one in Oregon back in the beginning days of the medical cannabis laws that I know exists. This may be a few days as I am really pressed for time on my appeal.
There is no size limit in Washington, just an end product number of 24 oz. of usable cannabis limit. This means cured and dried for consumption.
All these #'s can be ignored by any patient if their doctor authorizes above these #'s but, if caught going above, one must prove by a presumption that it is a necessity in a court of law as you will be arrested and charged by any overzealous prosecutor....
In other words, if ya got the funds to fight them, go for it.
The law is 15 plants per person. I checked and even clones without roots qualify as a plant, I forget the exact clause in the law.
WAC 246-75-010: Medical marijuana.
"(b) "Plant" means any marijuana plant in any stage of growth."
Love it when lawmakers can't follow their own laws. In RCW 69.51a.080 it says "(1) By July 1, 2008, the department of health shall adopt rules defining the quantity of marijuana that could reasonably be presumed to be a sixty-day supply for qualifying patients; this presumption may be overcome with evidence of a qualifying patient's necessary medical use."
I didn't find that info
Dennis in Montana
ACLU's site (ACLU of Washington | A Guide to Washington's Medical Marijuana Law) gives a link to the Department of Health (Medical Marijuana Frequently Asked Questions - Washington State Dept of Health) site's FAQ, It says:
"A qualifying patient or designated provider may have a 60-day supply of medical marijuana. A 60-day supply is defined as 24 ounces and 15 plants (WAC 246-75-010). The law says that a patient may exceed these limits if he or she can prove medical need." (about half way down the page)
I guess different states resident's need different amounts! Montana is 6 plants and one ounce.
Dennis, blurry eyed in Montana :hippy:
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Originally Posted by DankDragon
69.51A.080
Adoption of rules by the department of health â?? Sixty-day supply for qualifying patients.
(1) By July 1, 2008, the department of health shall adopt rules defining the quantity of marijuana that could reasonably be presumed to be a sixty-day supply for qualifying patients; this presumption may be overcome with evidence of a qualifying patient's necessary medical use.
(2) As used in this chapter, "sixty-day supply" means that amount of marijuana that qualifying patients would reasonably be expected to need over a period of sixty days for their personal medical use. During the rule-making process, the department shall make a good faith effort to include all stakeholders identified in the rule-making analysis as being impacted by the rule.
(3) The department of health shall gather information from medical and scientific literature, consulting with experts and the public, and reviewing the best practices of other states regarding access to an adequate, safe, consistent, and secure source, including alternative distribution systems, of medical marijuana for qualifying patients. The department shall report its findings to the legislature by July 1, 2008.
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Originally Posted by seattlegreens
Look at this 1990 9th cir. case discussing plants must have roots to be able to survive on their own outside the propagation unit. So no roots =no plant.
United States of America, Plaintiff-Appellee, v. Bruce M. Carlisle, Defendant-Appellant
No. 89-30097
UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS FOR THE NINTH CIRCUIT
907 F.2d 94; 1990 U.S. App. LEXIS 10553
March 9, 1990, Seattle, Washington, Argued and Submitted
June 28, 1990, Filed
PRIOR HISTORY: [**1] Appeal from the United States District Court for the Western District of Washington; D.C. No. CR-88-386-JCC; John C. Coughenour, District Judge, Presiding.
CASE SUMMARY
PROCEDURAL POSTURE: Defendant appealed the judgment of the United States District Court for the Western District of Washington imposing a sentence following his guilty plea to charges of manufacturing marijuana by propagation.
OVERVIEW: Defendant appealed the judgment imposing a sentence following his guilty plea to charges of manufacturing marijuana by propagation. He challenged the district court's inclusion of marijuana cuttings in calculating his base offense level under the Sentencing Guidelines and its application of the acceptance of responsibility provision. The court on appeal held that although some of the cuttings were small, the district court's conclusion that they were plants was not clearly erroneous because an agent testified that each individual cutting was in its own propagating unit and had the possibility of surviving outside the unit. The court also held that, because the district court neither made specific findings nor expressly adopted the conclusions in the presentence report, the court was unable to determine whether the district court considered defendant's objections to his probation officer's refusal to reduce his sentence for acceptance of responsibility. The court remanded for more specific findings.
OUTCOME: The court remanded because the district court failed to make specific findings for the court to determine whether the district court had considered defendant's objections to his probation officer's refusal to reduce his sentence for acceptance of responsibility.
CORE TERMS: plant, guideline, cutting, marijuana, presentence report, sentencing, probation, marijuana plants, recommended, equivalency, reduction, kilogram, mature, sentence, manufacturing, propagation, propagating, sentenced, packaged, quantity, disputed, calculating
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COUNSEL: Peter K. Mair, Mair, Abercrombie, Camiel & Rummonds, Seattle, Washington, for the Defendant-Appellant.
Richard A. Jones, Assistant United States Attorney, Seattle, Washington, for the Plaintiff-Appellee.
JUDGES: Eugene A. Wright, Stephen Reinhardt and Diarmuid F. O'Scannlain, Circuit Judges.
OPINION BY: PER CURIAM
OPINION
[*95] Bruce Carlisle pleaded guilty to charges of manufacturing marijuana by propagation and appeals his sentence. He challenges the court's inclusion of marijuana cuttings in calculating his base offense level under the Sentencing Guidelines, and its application of the acceptance of responsibility provision.
BACKGROUND
An agent from the Drug Enforcement Agency searched Carlisle's home and discovered an indoor marijuana cultivation operation that included a security system, lighting and a venting system. He found 182 mature marijuana plants, 384 cuttings from marijuana plants and approximately three kilograms of packaged marijuana.
Carlisle was charged with manufacturing marijuana by propagation. [**2] Following a guilty plea, the probation office prepared a presentence report. It recommended a base offense level of 20 based on the amount of marijuana discovered in his home. United States Sentencing Commission, Guidelines Manual, § 2D1.1(c) (June 1988) (hereinafter "1988 Guidelines"). Although Carlisle submitted a written statement admitting his actions, the report recommended that no departure be made from the guidelines based on acceptance of responsibility. The district court accepted the recommendations in the presentence report, and sentenced Carlisle at the bottom of the guideline range, to 33 months.
ANALYSIS
Carlisle appeals his sentence on two grounds. First, he challenges the use of the 384 cuttings in calculating his base offense. Second, he argues that the district court erred in applying the guideline provision which allows a two level decrease from his base offense level for acceptance of responsibility.
I. Calculation of Base Offense Level
The court sentenced Carlisle under Guidelines § 2D1.1 which establishes the base offense level for drug crimes. In [*96] § 2D1.1(c), a drug equivalency table provides the base offense level for quantities [**3] of drugs measured according to weight or number of plants. 1 The presentence report recommended a base offense level of 20 based on 596 plants. 2
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1 The guidelines were amended effective November 1989. The drug equivalency table no longer measures drug quantity according to the number of plants. It now provides that, when the offense involves 50 or more plants, each plant is treated as the equivalent of one kilogram of marijuana. Guidelines Manual § 2D1.1(c), at 2.45 (Nov. 1989).2 The agent found 182 mature plants, as well as 384 cuttings which were counted as separate plants. In addition, the three kilograms of packaged marijuana converted to 30 plants. See 1988 Guidelines § 2D1.1, application note 10 (indicating that 100 grams of marijuana equals one plant). This totals 596 plants.
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Carlisle argues that the 384 cuttings should not be considered plants when determining the base offense level under § 2D1.1's drug equivalency table. A cutting is a portion of the stem. The guidelines do not define [**4] "marijuana plant" and do not distinguish between cuttings and mature plants.
Although some of the cuttings were small, the court's conclusion that they were plants was not clearly erroneous. The district judge heard testimony from the DEA agent that each individual cutting was in its own propagating unit. Each had varying degrees of root formation. Each had the possibility of surviving outside of its propagating unit. Cf. United States v. Graham, 710 F. Supp. 1290, 1291 (N.D.Cal. 1989) (finding that a defendant should not benefit by being arrested in the early stages of plant growth). We find no clear error in the court's decision to count the 384 cuttings as plants in sentencing.
II. Acceptance of Responsibility
Carlisle next asserts that the district court made insufficient findings in applying Guidelines § 3E1.1(a), which allows the court to reduce the base offense by two levels for acceptance of responsibility.
We said recently that HN1Go to this Headnote in the case."the district court should make clear on the record its resolution of all disputed matters, and . . . specific findings of fact are to be encouraged." United States v. Rigby, 896 F.2d 392, 394 (9th Cir. 1990) [**5] (citing United States v. Sanchez-Lopez, 879 F.2d 541, 557-58 (9th Cir. 1989)). In Rigby, the judge did not make specific findings regarding the adjustment under Guidelines § 3B1.2 for the defendant's role in the offense. Rigby, 896 F.2d at 394. Nevertheless, he clearly stated that he found the position as stated in the Probation Officer's addendum to be correct, and we found that this finding was sufficient under the guidelines. Id.
The district court in this case neither made specific findings nor expressly adopted the conclusions in the presentence report. Although Carlisle objected to the Probation Officer's refusal to grant him a reduction for acceptance of responsibility prior to the sentencing hearing, the resolution of this disputed matter was not articulated by the court. It said:
All right -- I'll find, and this portion of the transcript will be attached to the presentence investigation and constitute the Court's findings under the guidelines -- I find that the smaller plants were in fact plants and that the appropriate guideline range is 33 to 44 months.
We are unable to determine from this statement whether [**6] the court considered Carlisle's objections to the Probation Officer's refusal to reduce his sentence for acceptance of responsibility.
We remand for more specific findings. 3 If the district court finds that Carlisle is entitled to the acceptance of responsibility reduction, it shall resentence him. This [*97] panel will retain jurisdiction over any future appeals.
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3 Because we remand for more specific findings regarding acceptance of responsibility, we need not reach Carlisle's argument that the presentence report forced him to implicate himself in other crimes in violation of the Fifth Amendment. We note, however, that our recent decision in United States v. Gonzalez, 897 F.2d 1018, 1021 (9th Cir. 1990), characterized the acceptance of responsibility reduction as "merely a benefit which may be accorded to a defendant if he is able to make the necessary showing." See also United States v. Smith, 905 F.2d 1296, 1302 (9th Cir. 1990).
I have more if need be but, I think this should settle anyone's misguided thought's in their own mind...put the pipe down and learn please.
I would just love to be able not to count my clones, as that is the only place I have excess, more than 50% get thrown out to keep me within my numbers.Quote:
Originally Posted by dennisjill
BUT the law is very specific, and may have been modified to compensate for James's historical info. I will stay with what this State says until it gets clarified.
So this is the most recent 9th cir. case on the issue of what a plant is...so it would be presumed that our legislature knows about this case and has conformed too it's merits.
A PLANT TO BE LEGALLY CONSIDERED A PLANT MUST HAVE ROOTS, OR IT'S NOT A PLANT IT IS A PART OF ANOTHER PLANT.
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, Plaintiff-Appellee, v. WYNN LEWIS ROBINSON, Defendant-Appellant.
No. 93-50730
UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS FOR THE NINTH CIRCUIT
35 F.3d 442; 1994 U.S. App. LEXIS 24920; 94 Cal. Daily Op. Service 7055; 94 Daily Journal DAR 12920
June 8, 1994, * Submitted, Pasadena, California
* The panel unanimously finds this case suitable for decision without oral argument. Fed. R. App. P. 34(a); 9th Cir. R. 34-4.
September 13, 1994, Filed
SUBSEQUENT HISTORY: [**1] Certiorari Denied February 27, 1995, Reported at: 1995 U.S. LEXIS 1785.
PRIOR HISTORY: Appeal from the United States District Court for the Southern District of California. D.C. No. CR-91-1182-01-B. Rudi M. Brewster, District Judge, Presiding.
DISPOSITION: AFFIRMED; FOR CORRECTION OF RECORDS; REMANDED.
CASE SUMMARY
PROCEDURAL POSTURE: Defendant appealed his sentence by the United States District Court for the Southern District of California based on his plea of guilty to manufacturing marijuana with intent to distribute under 21 U.S.C.S. § 841(a)(1).
OVERVIEW: Law enforcement officers found over 100 marijuana plants on defendant's property. Some plants, however, were lost, although defendant's expert and a law enforcement officer counted all of the plants before some were lost. Defendant pleaded guilty to manufacturing marijuana with intent to distribute under 21 U.S.C.S. § 841(a)(1), but appealed his sentence because too many plants were counted. The court affirmed the sentence, but remanded the cause to correct the record. Each root cutting should not have been counted as a plant, but this did not change the sentence. Each marijuana stalk with its own root system did count as a separate plant, regardless of the proximity of other plants or that the root systems were intertwined. There was a preponderance of evidence to support the number of plants seized, even though some were missing. As a result, an evidentiary hearing was unnecessary.
OUTCOME: The court affirmed the sentence on defendant's guilty plea for manufacturing marijuana with intent to distribute, but remanded the cause to correct the record so as not to count rootless marijuana cuttings as plants. There was sufficient evidence to support how many plants defendant possessed.
CORE TERMS: plant, cutting, marijuana, root, sentencing, counted, root systems, sentence, marijuana plants, mature, stalk, guidelines, preponderance, seized, stem, evidentiary hearing, kilogram, box, intertwined, greenhouse, protruding, formation, rootless, missing, pot, manufacturing, counting, distribute, observable, sentenced
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HN1Go to the description of this Headnote. What counts as a marijuana plant under 21 U.S.C.S. § 841(a)(1) for sentencing purposes is a question of law, to be reviewed de novo.
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HN2Go to the description of this Headnote. Marijuana plants have three characteristic structures, readily apparent to the unaided layperson's eye: roots, stems, and leaves. Until a cutting develops roots of its own, it is not a plant itself but a mere piece of some other plant. Therefore, cuttings are not "plants" under 21 U.S.C.S. § 841(a)(1) unless there is readily observable evidence of root formation.
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HN3Go to the description of this Headnote. Whether individual marijuana stalks protruding from common root systems should be treated as separate plants at sentencing for a violation of 21 U.S.C.S. § 841(a)(1) is a legal determination which the appellate court reviews de novo.
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HN4Go to the description of this Headnote. Each marijuana stalk protruding from the ground and supported by its own root system should be considered one plant under 21 U.S.C.S. § 841(a)(1), no matter how close to other plants it is and no matter how intertwined are their root systems.
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HN5Go to the description of this Headnote. Under 21 U.S.C.S. § 841(a)(1), whether each marijuana stalk protruding from the ground and supported by its own root system should be considered one plant is a rebuttable presumption. Thus, the rare plant that truly has two stems growing from a single (not intertwined) root system should not be counted as two plants. Nor should a single plant with multiple stalks be counted as multiple plants just because the point at which the stalks diverge happens to have been buried below the ground surface.
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HN7Go to the description of this Headnote. Whether the district court erred in denying a motion for an evidentiary hearing concerning the discrepancy between the number of marijuana plants that should be counted is to be determined by an abuse of discretion standard.
COUNSEL: William J. Genego, Santa Monica, California, for the defendant-appellant.
Judith S. Feigin, Assistant United States Attorney, San Diego, California, for the plaintiff-appellee.
JUDGES: Before: Betty B. Fletcher, William C. Canby, Jr., and Cynthia Holcomb Hall, Circuit Judges. Opinion by Judge Fletcher.
OPINION BY: BETTY B. FLETCHER
OPINION
[*444] OPINION
FLETCHER, Circuit Judge:
Defendant Wynn Lewis Robinson appeals his sentence of 63 months, pursuant to his plea of guilty to manufacturing marijuana with intent to distribute, a violation of 21 U.S.C. § 841(a)(1). Robinson's appeal presents a number of challenges to the district court's finding that Robinson, at the time of his arrest, was cultivating 156 marijuana plants. He argues that the district court erred in counting as "plants" forty-eight rootless marijuana cuttings, that it erred in counting individual stalks growing from intertwined root systems as separate plants, that its finding that there were 108 mature plants is not [**2] supported by a preponderance of the evidence, and that it should have held an evidentiary hearing concerning the possibility that some of those 108 plants were no longer (or never had been) in the government's possession.
We reverse the district court's determination that rootless cuttings are to be counted as plants for sentencing purposes, and affirm in all other respects. Although the length of Robinson's sentence is not affected, we remand so that the record can be corrected to reflect a sentence based on 108 rather than 156 marijuana plants.
I.
On December 11, 1991, state police and federal Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) agents executed a search warrant at Robinson's home and adjoining cucumber and tomato business, Crest Hydroponics. They discovered that in some of Crest's greenhouses Robinson was growing a less edible, more lucrative crop: marijuana.
Deputy Sheriff Dan Jopes of the San Diego Sheriff's Office supervised the search. According to his testimony, agents found marijuana plants in three rooms. In the first room plants three to five feet tall were growing in rubber pots. Most of these pots contained more than one growing stalk; Jopes counted a total of forty-one [**3] stalks. In the second room plants four to seven feet tall were growing in pits dug into the ground. Again, most of the pits contained more than one stalk; Jopes counted sixty-seven stalks. In the third room agents found forty-eight small cubes which each contained one rootless marijuana cutting. After Jopes made his count, agents took the cuttings, pulled out some of the smaller plants, and cut down the rest near the bases of their stems. The cuttings and plants were subsequently held as evidence by the DEA.
An indictment was filed on December 18, 1991, charging Robinson (along with his wife and one of their alleged dealers) with conspiracy to manufacture marijuana with intent to distribute, and manufacturing marijuana with intent to distribute. At the stipulation of the parties, a series of evidentiary hearings [*445] were held prior to the entry of Robinson's plea, in order to determine the number of marijuana plants seized. On April 20, 1993, the district court found that Robinson's sentence should be based on 108 mature plants and forty-eight cuttings (which, it held, counted as plants for sentencing purposes), for a total of 156 plants. On April 29, 1993, Robinson pled guilty to the [**4] charge of manufacturing marijuana with intent to distribute.
At a sentencing hearing held on August 10, 1993, the district court denied Robinson's requests to redetermine the number of marijuana plants and to conduct an evidentiary inquiry into the alleged discrepancy between Jopes' count and the number of plants currently in the DEA's possession. The court then based Robinson's sentence on 156 plants, as it had previously indicated it would. Under the sentencing guidelines, 156 plants are counted as the equivalent of 156 kilograms of marijuana. U.S.S.G. § 2D1.1©, note following Drug Quantity Table (stating that if more than 50 plants are involved, one plant equals one kilogram of marijuana).
The district court's finding that Robinson had been cultivating more than 100 plants had a weighty effect on his sentence. Under 21 U.S.C. § 841(B)(1)(B)(vii), persons convicted of manufacturing more than 100 kilograms of marijuana face a mandatory minimum sentence of five years. And under the guidelines, persons convicted of manufacturing 100-400 kilograms of marijuana receive an offense level of 26. U.S.S.G. § 2D1.1©(9). 1 In Robinson's case, these provisions [**5] led to a guidelines range of 63-78 months. The district court sentenced him to 63 months.
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1 The level decreases to 24 for 80-100 kilograms, and to 22 for 60-80 kilograms. Id. Had the district court adopted Robinson's favored method of counting plants, it would have had the option of giving him a sentence one to two years shorter.
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Robinson first challenges the district court's determination that the forty-eight rootless cuttings seized from Robinson's greenhouse counted as plants for sentencing purposes. 2 HN1Go to this Headnote in the case.What counts as a plant for sentencing purposes is a question of law, to be reviewed de novo. United States v. McConney, 728 F.2d 1195, 1200-01 (9th Cir.), cert. denied, 469 U.S. 824, 83 L. Ed. 2d 46, 105 S. Ct. 101 (1984). Unfortunately, "the guidelines do not define 'marijuana plant' and do not distinguish between cuttings and mature plants." United States v. Carlisle, 907 F.2d 94, 96 (9th Cir. 1990) [**6] (per curiam).
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2 The government now concedes that rootless cuttings should not be counted as plants at sentencing, but asks the panel not to reach this issue because even if the 48 cuttings are not counted, there are still more than 100 mature plants on which to base Robinson's 63 month sentence.
However, the ultimate issue in this case is whether a preponderance of the evidence supports the district court's finding that Robinson cultivated 156 plants. This necessarily involves inquiring whether the cuttings and the mature plants were correctly counted. Moreover, although the length of Robinson's sentence would not change were he responsible for 108 instead of 156 plants, he might face other negative consequences in the future if his sentence is left unchanged. In any case, he has a right to have his record correctly reflect the number of plants for which he was sentenced.
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We have not previously considered whether rootless cuttings constitute plants for sentencing purposes. In Carlisle, however, we upheld the [**7] district court's determination that certain cuttings with roots counted as plants. We reasoned,
. . . each individual cutting was in its own propagating unit. Each had varying degrees of root formation. Each had the possibility of surviving outside of its propagating unit.
Id. (emphasis added). Our holding there thus depended in part upon a finding that, for guidelines purposes, roots are an important characteristic of marijuana plants.
Other circuits have unanimously decided that marijuana cuttings must have root formations to be considered plants for sentencing purposes. United States v. Burke, 999 F.2d 596, 601 (1st Cir. 1993) ("at the first sign of roots, a plant exists for sentencing purposes"); United States v. Edge, 989 F.2d 871, 877 (6th Cir. 1993) (plant exists if there is "some readily observable evidence of root [*446] formation"); United States v. Curtis, 965 F.2d 610, 616 (8th Cir. 1992). These courts have found that Congress intended to create a clear, easily-implemented standard rather than one requiring extensive litigation and expert botanical testimony. E.g., [**8] Edge, 989 F.2d at 878 (quoting United States v. Eves, 932 F.2d 856, 860 (10th Cir.), cert. denied, 116 L. Ed. 2d 192, 112 S. Ct. 236 (1991)).
Today we join these circuits. HN2Go to this Headnote in the case.Marijuana plants have three characteristic structures, readily apparent to the unaided layperson's eye: roots, stems, and leaves. Until a cutting develops roots of its own, it is not a plant itself but a mere piece of some other plant. We therefore adopt the rule that cuttings are not "plants" unless there is "readily observable evidence of root formation." Burke, 999 F.2d at 601; Edge, 989 F.2d at 879. We think that requiring readily observable evidence of root formation is a common-sense approach that will prevent the costly and confusing "battle of botanical experts which occurred in this case." Appellee's Brief at 13.
Forty-seven of the cuttings seized from Robinson's greenhouse had no root formations. The district court therefore erred in counting them as plants for sentencing purposes. With regard to the forty-eighth cutting, however, we must [**9] resolve a borderline issue under the new rule announced above. Specifically, that cutting had a structure which the government's expert characterized as "root primitiae." This structure was undisputedly no more than a swelling of the cambial cells underneath the cutting's outer layer of plant tissue. It was therefore a structure from "which roots will come," Edge, 989 F.2d at 879, not a root structure itself. Since this cutting, like the others, has not yet produced readily observable roots or root hairs, the district court erred in treating it as a plant for sentencing purposes. See id. (rejecting the argument that a "swollen area" or "callus" from which roots would eventually come qualified the cutting as a plant).
III.
Robinson next challenges the district court's holding that HN3Go to this Headnote in the case.individual stalks protruding from common root systems should be treated as separate plants at sentencing. Again, this is a legal determination which we review de novo. McConney, 728 F.2d at 1200-01. It, too, is a question not previously ruled upon by this circuit.
According to the testimony of Deputy Jopes and of the defense expert, Dr. [**10] Sances, quite a few of Robinson's mature marijuana plants were growing in close proximity to one another. Many of the pots or dirt pits in which the plants were growing contained more than one stalk. Robinson maintained before the district court that because these plants shared a common root system they should be counted as one plant for sentencing purposes. The district court initially agreed, but ultimately reversed course and held that each stem or stalk protruding from the dirt should be counted as a separate plant.
The record is clear on at least some of the botanical background. The experts agree that marijuana is a single stem plant, in that one seed, when germinated, will typically produce one stem. Moreover, when two or more marijuana plants grow in close proximity, their roots do not fuse but rather intertwine and intermingle. Over time, these roots may become so tangled that the two plants cannot be separated without damaging one or both sets of roots. Plants with such intertwined root systems share a common root environment in that they receive the same amount of water, fertilizer, and nutrients. The defense expert found that almost half of Robinson's plants shared common [**11] root systems with one or two other plants.
Robinson argues that a common root system should be counted as one plant for sentencing purposes whether it has one, two, or more stalks protruding from it. He argues that this approach would be consistent with horticultural practice as well as common sense. As for horticultural practice, Robinson cites only to his own expert's testimony:
there's lots of plants that . . . are sold as a single plant and have multiple stems within that same plant; it's more desirable, it produces a more bushy specimen. So, I [*447] would consider it the same plant; it's treated as one.
Transcript of Apr. 16, 1993, at 134. This is unpersuasive; whether the multiple-stem plants are "sold as" one plant has no bearing on whether horticultural science really so characterizes them. Moreover, when tested for common sense Robinson's argument fares no better. He would apparently have us consider two petunias growing with intertwined roots in a single pot to be "one plant" even though the flowers of one are red and those of the other, blue.
Horticultural metaphysics aside, Robinson's remaining argument is functional: "since each 'plant' under the Sentencing Guidelines [**12] is treated as the equivalent of one kilogram of marijuana, the definition of what constitutes a plant should take into account the factors that affect the yield of a plant." Appellant's Brief at 23-24. He claims that "the primary factor in determining the yield of a marijuana plant is root growing space, not number of stems or trunks." Id. (emphasis supplied). He thus concludes that because two or three plants sharing a common root system will not produce as much marijuana as two or three plants growing separately, they should only be counted as a single plant.
There are several problems with Robinson's reasoning. First, if "root growing space" is really the primary factor in determining what counts as a plant for sentencing purposes, Congress would no doubt have specified that plants growing in small pots are to be penalized less harshly than those growing in open fields; needless to say, it has not. Second, and more importantly, Robinson fails to recognize that the guidelines' "one plant equals one kilogram" formula is a legislative fiction rather than an accurate statement of the actual yield of particular marijuana plants. See United States v. Jordan, 964 F.2d 944, 947 [**13] (9th Cir.) (guidelines' "treatment of marihuana plants does not purport accurately to translate the amount of marihuana harvestable from a given plant. . . .[but rather to assign] a higher level of culpability for marijuana growers compared to those who merely possess the harvested product.") (emphasis supplied; quotations omitted), cert. denied, 121 L. Ed. 2d 384, 113 S. Ct. 478 (1992). The government rightly points to United States v. Barton, 995 F.2d 931 (9th Cir.), cert. denied, 114. S. Ct. 413 (1993), and United States v. Traynor, 990 F.2d 1153 (9th Cir. 1993), to establish that the guidelines formulation is not dependent on yield. In those cases, we held that the sentencing guidelines did not violate the Due Process Clause in penalizing male and female plants alike, despite the fact that male plants have very little THC content - and thus a much lower yield of smokable marijuana. The Traynor court said pointedly that the "direction of authority is not to consider a particular plant's [yield] when applying the straightforward language of 21 U.S.C. § 841 [**14] (B)(1)(D)." 990 F.2d at 1160; see also United States v. Beaver, 984 F.2d 989, 991 (9th Cir. 1993) (rejecting argument that weight or potential yield of marijuana plants is relevant under 21 U.S.C. § 841(B)(1)).
Moreover, Robinson's proposed rule would create perverse incentives. If any and all plants with intertwined root systems were to count as only one plant for sentencing purposes, growers would be encouraged to grow four, five, ten or more plants in large, root-bound clusters. 3 While such arrangements might not produce quite as much marijuana as would the same number of plants growing independently, growers would undoubtedly view the loss in total yield to be more than compensated for by the dramatic decrease in the length of their expected sentence, were they to be apprehended.
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3 Robinson implies that when plants share a common root system, they automatically only produce the yield of one plant. Surely, however, five plants growing in a ring, with a common root system, would produce more marijuana than one individual plant. Dr. Sance's own testimony indicates as much. Tr. of Apr. 16, 1993, at 134 (growing multiple plants close together "produces a more bushy specimen").
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[**15] We find the district court's rule eminently sensible, and therefore adopt it. HN4Go to this Headnote in the case.Each stalk protruding from the ground and supported by its own root system should be considered one plant, no matter how close to [*448] other plants it is and no matter how intertwined are their root systems. 4 This rule best effectuates the intentions of Congress and the Sentencing Commission that marijuana growers be sentenced in accord with the number of individual plants they have cultivated. Moreover, like the rule for marijuana cuttings adopted above, it is a clear rule and one that is unlikely to lead to excessive botanical litigation. See Edge, 989 F.2d at 878.
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4 We adopt HN5Go to this Headnote in the case.this rule as a rebuttable presumption. Thus, the rare plant that truly has two stems growing from a single (not intertwined) root system should not be counted as two plants. Nor should a single plant with multiple stalks be counted as multiple plants just because the point at which the stalks diverge happens to have been buried below the ground surface.
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[**16] IV.
Apart from the forty-eight cuttings, the district court found that agents had seized 108 mature plants at Robinson's property. Robinson challenges this finding in two ways. First, he argues that the government should have been bound by the testimony of its own expert, Dr. Johnson, who reported seeing fifty-four plants in the DEA's evidence storage facility, five months after Robinson's arrest. Second, he argues more generally that the district court clearly erred in finding, under the preponderance of the evidence standard, 5 that 108 plants had been seized. Both arguments require some additional factual background.
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Deputy Jopes credibly testified that in executing the search warrant on December 11, 1991, he counted forty-one mature [**17] plants in one room and sixty-seven in another, for a total of 108 plants. Dr. Sances, the defense expert, testified that on January 23, 1992, he visited Robinson's greenhouse and made an inspection. Some of the smaller plants had been pulled out of the ground, roots and all, and were not counted by Dr. Sances. He testified that he saw twenty-seven "root systems" in one room and forty-eight root systems in the other, for a total of seventy-five root systems. He noted that thirty-six of these seventy-five root systems had two, three, or four trunks protruding from them. Thus, conservatively assuming that these thirty-six multiple root systems were only "doubles," the total number of actual plants indicated by Dr. Sance's observations would be seventy-five plus thirty-six, or 111. Dr. Sances admitted as much; indeed, he admitted that if one counted each stalk rather than each root system, the total number of mature plants was "closer to 130." Transcript of Apr. 20, 1993, at 38-39.
In May, 1992, five months after the marijuana plants were seized, and about four months after Dr. Sances's inspection, Drs. Sances and Johnson examined the marijuana plants at the DEA evidence storage facility. [**18] They were shown two boxes which, they agreed, contained fifty-four stems. Dr. Sances testified that he asked the DEA worker who had retrieved the boxes for them if there were any more boxes (since he expected there to be 108 plants, as Deputy Jopes had reported). She replied that there were no more boxes of evidence in this case. Dr. Johnson, on the other hand, testified that "we were told by the person in the examination room that the key to the vault where the plants were located was held by another person, and that person was absent that day due to illness." Id. at 40.
The defense attempted to subpoena the "missing box," but was unsuccessful. The government stood by its missing box theory until the sentencing hearing, at which point it conceded that there had never been a third box of mature plants. It offered no explanation for the missing evidence. Before us, the government once again advances the missing box theory.
The district court inquired into the discrepancy between Jopes's and Sances's original plant counts and the amount of marijuana actually in the DEA's possession, but got no solid answers from counsel. The court then [*449] said, based on the testimony of Jopes and Sances,
[**19] I'm satisfied, not only by a preponderance, but by a clear and convincing showing that the Government seized at least 108 [mature] plants, probably more.
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I don't care if they only found five stalks five months later in the DEA office, for all I know the DEA is smoking it to keep happy down there. . . .
I don't care how many plants were preserved for five months for Defense Counsel to examine. . . .
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This is not a case trying the DEA for their administrative preservation policies.
Transcript of Aug. 30, 1993, at 20-21. Because the court also considered the forty-eight cuttings to be plants, it based Robinson's sentence on the cuttings along with the 108 mature plants, for a total of 156 plants.
B.
Citing Fed. R. Evid. 607, Robinson argues that the government should not have been permitted to abandon Dr. Johnson's testimony that he saw only fifty-four plants in the DEA's possession. This argument is meritless. The government accepted Dr. Johnson's testimony as a true report of his observations at the DEA in May, 1992. It argued, however, that he had not seen all the marijuana seized on December 11, 1991. In this regard, the government relied [**20] on the testimony of Deputy Jopes, also a government witness, who testified that he had counted 108 plants, and on that of Dr. Sances, a defense witness, who testified that he had seen evidence of more than 100 plants during his inspection in January, 1992.
The government rightly points out that if anybody should be bound by their expert's testimony, it is Robinson. His expert, Dr. Sances, actually visited the greenhouse and investigated the remaining roots and stumps, and found seventy-five root systems with at least 111 stems protruding. Based on Dr. Sances's report, Robinson's own initial position in the district court was that the indictment should be altered to charge only seventy-five plants.
C.
We next consider whether a preponderance of the evidence supports the district court's finding of 108 mature plants. HN6Go to this Headnote in the case."The preponderance of the evidence standard is a meaningful one that requires the judge to be convinced 'by a preponderance of the evidence that the fact in question exists.'" Restrepo, 946 F.2d at 661 (citation omitted). Here, the testimony of Deputy Jopes alone would have been sufficient to establish the existence of 108 plants. See [**21] United States v. Belden, 957 F.2d 671, 673-74 (9th Cir.) (conviction based on testimony of officers who made the initial plant counts; a number of the plants were subsequently mangled or destroyed), cert. denied, 121 L. Ed. 2d 169, 113 S. Ct. 234 (1992); United States v. Cody, 7 F.3d 1523, 1527 (10th Cir. 1993) (conviction based on officer's recollection of number of plants); United States v. Scalia, 993 F.2d 984, 988 (1st Cir. 1993) (same); United States v. Allen, 954 F.2d 1160, 1168-69 (6th Cir. 1992). Jopes's testimony did not stand alone, however: it was strongly corroborated by the testimony of Dr. Sances, who investigated Robinson's greenhouses one month after the arrest, and concluded that more than 100 plants had been growing there. See United States v. Lennick, 18 F.3d 814, 820 (9th Cir. 1994) (permissible to estimate number of plants based on circumstantial evidence such as the amount of harvested marijuana, number of pots, and size of utility bills).
The sole question, then, [**22] is whether the testimony of Jopes and Sances is sufficiently undermined by the fact that Johnson and Sances, five months later, counted only fifty-four plants in the DEA's possession. We think not. The missing plants are unquestionably troubling, as is the government's inability consistently to explain their absence. However, when both the officer on the scene and the defense expert himself credibly testify to more than 100 plants, the logical inference is not that only fifty-four plants were seized, as Robinson would have us believe, but rather that only fifty-four [*450] have been preserved - with the balance being lost or destroyed. We thus follow the course we took in Belden, where we were presented with a similar "lost plants" claim and we declined to exclude evidence and reverse a conviction. Belden, 957 F.2d at 674. 6 The district court's finding of 108 plants is supported by a preponderance of the evidence.
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[**23] V.
Robinson also argues that HN7Go to this Headnote in the case.the district court erred in denying his motion for an evidentiary hearing concerning the discrepancy between Jopes's and Sances's testimony that there were more than 100 plants, and the DEA's alleged possession of only fifty-four plants. We review for an abuse of discretion. United States v. Upshaw, 918 F.2d 789, 791 (9th Cir. 1990), cert. denied, 499 U.S. 930, 113 L. Ed. 2d 266, 111 S. Ct. 1335 (1991).
The district court denied Robinson's request for an evidentiary hearing, basing its ruling on the following assessment of witness testimony and the arguments of counsel: "I'm satisfied [the missing plants] existed, and that they were seen repeatedly early on, but later on they aren't there." Transcript of Aug. 30, 1993, at 21. We first note that this finding was not clearly erroneous. See Hunt v. National Broadcasting Co., Inc., 872 F.2d 289, 292 (9th Cir. 1989) (district court abuses its discretion if it rests decision on clearly erroneous finding of fact). Indeed, the district court's interpretation seems to us the best way to [**24] harmonize the testimony of Jopes, Sances, and Johnson. Secondly, the denial of an evidentiary hearing was not a clear error in judgment because an evidentiary hearing would have had little value. See United States v. Plainbull, 957 F.2d 724, 725 (9th Cir. 1992) (reviewing court should not find abuse of discretion unless it has firm conviction that district court committed a clear error of judgment). On the one hand, if the plants had indeed vanished, an additional evidentiary hearing would have turned up no new evidence whatsoever. On the other hand, if the additional plants were discovered somewhere at the DEA facility, they would only support a conclusion which the district court had already properly reached - that more than 100 plants had been seized.
While the district court surely would have been within its discretion in inquiring into why the evidence was lost, it was not required to do so because that was not a dispositive issue in the case before it. See Transcript of Aug. 30, 1993, at 21-22 (district court stated, "this is not a case of trying the DEA for their administrative preservation policies. This is a case of growing marijuana. . [**25] ."). We conclude that the court did not abuse its discretion in denying Robinson's request for an evidentiary hearing.
VI.
The district court erred in counting the 48 cuttings as marijuana plants. A preponderance of the evidence, however, supports the court's finding that there were 108 countable mature plants, and it did not otherwise err in conducting Robinson's sentencing. Because Robinson is still liable for more than 100 plants, his guidelines range will remain 63-78 months. And because the district court already sentenced him to the bottom of the guidelines range (63 months), reduction from 156 to 108 plants will have no effect on the length of his sentence. We therefore affirm the sentence, but remand the matter to the district court to correct the record to reflect that the sentence was based on the lower number of plants.
Typical feds....a kilo per plant. Man those suckers would have to be 12 feet tall to come close.
BUT, to have rulings that state roots, are good, and this has been filed in my save it folder.
Got any tests in the State of Wa?
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Originally Posted by WashougalWonder
This one adresses what " MANUFACTURING" IS IN WA.. THE 9TH CIR. ONE IS GOOD LAW FOR ALL STATES IN THE 9TH CIR. JURISDICTION, INCLUDING WASHINGTON..
The State of Washington, Respondent, v. Roy Kenneth Adams, Appellant
No. 7008-5-III
COURT OF APPEALS OF WASHINGTON, Division Three, Panel Four
46 Wn. App. 874; 733 P.2d 989; 1987 Wash. App. LEXIS 3265
February 24, 1987
SUBSEQUENT HISTORY: [***1] Petitions for Review Denied by Supreme Court May 5, 1987.
CASE SUMMARY
PROCEDURAL POSTURE: Defendant sought review of a judgment of the Superior Court for Grant County, Washington, which convicted him of possession of a controlled substance with intent to manufacture, a violation of Wash. Rev. Code § 69.50.401(a).
OVERVIEW: During a search of defendant's apartment, the police seized miscellaneous drug paraphernalia, growing plants, and found a self-concealed, foil-lined closet equipped with special lights. The trial court held that defendant possessed marijuana with an intent to manufacture. Defendant contended on appeal that the statutory definition of manufacture by Wash. Rev. Code § 69.50.101(m) did not include cultivation of marijuana for one's personal use. The court held that when read in light of the plain meaning and general purpose of the statute, it was evident that the legislature intended that "manufacture" could be accomplished either directly, or, in the alternative, indirectly or independently by extraction and/or synthesis. Thus, the court refused to find that it was the legislature's intent to limit the meaning of "manufacture" as contended by defendant. To hold otherwise precluded giving effect to the statutory definition of production under Wash. Rev. Code § 69.50.101(u), which spoke of cultivating, growing, or harvesting. Furthermore, the legislature intended to impose a higher penalty for the manufacture of even small quantities of controlled substances than for mere possession.
OUTCOME: The court affirmed the judgment of the trial court convicting defendant.
CORE TERMS: manufacture, controlled substance, extraction, personal use, synthesis, indirectly, marijuana, chemical, statutory definitions, independently, cultivation, unambiguous, preparation, compounding, accomplished, harvesting, cultivation of marijuana, plants
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HN1Go to the description of this Headnote. As used in Wash. Rev. Code § 69.50.401(a), manufacture, as defined by Wash. Rev. Code § 69.50.101(m) means: the production, preparation, propagation, compounding, conversion or processing of a controlled substance, either directly or indirectly by extraction or independently by means of chemical synthesis, or by a combination of extraction and chemical synthesis, except that this term does not include the preparation or compounding of a controlled substance by an individual for his own use. The term production includes the manufacture, planting, cultivation, growing, or harvesting of a controlled substance. Wash. Rev. Code § 69.50.101(u). When read in light of the plain meaning and general purpose of the statute, it is evident the legislature intends that "manufacture" may be accomplished either directly, or, in the alternative, indirectly or independently by extraction and/or synthesis. Substituting the terms cultivating, growing, or harvesting for "production" in Wash. Rev. Code § 69.50.101(m) makes it clear that the phrase "either directly or indirectly by extraction or independently by means of chemical synthesis, or by a combination of extraction and chemical synthesis" is an alternative way of manufacturing. One does not cultivate, grow or harvest marijuana "directly or indirectly by extraction."
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HN2Go to the description of this Headnote. The legislature's intent, in adopting the Uniform Controlled Substances Act, is to impose a higher penalty for the manufacture of even small quantities of controlled substances than for mere possession. Wash. Rev. Code § 69.50.101(m) states in part that manufacture does not include "preparation or compounding" a controlled substance for personal use. The four activities not excepted by the statute contemplate a significantly higher degree of activity involving the controlled substance. Thus, they are more appropriately made felonies without regard to whether the controlled substance so "manufactured" was for personal use or for distribution.
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HN3Go to the description of this Headnote. Where the statutory language is plain, concise, and unambiguous and, it is not subject to interpretation. When the language of a statute is plain and free from ambiguity, there is no room for construction because the meaning will be discovered from the wording of the statute itself.
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SUMMARY: Nature of Action: Prosecution for possession of a controlled substance with intent to manufacture. The police had found nine marijuana plants growing in the defendant's residence.
Superior Court: The Superior Court for Grant County, No. 84-1-00139-1, Evan E. Sperline, J., on February 15, 1985, entered a judgment of guilty.
Court of Appeals: Holding that the defendant's cultivation of marijuana for his own use constituted "manufacturing" within the statutory definition, the court affirms the judgment.
HEADNOTES
WASHINGTON OFFICIAL REPORTS HEADNOTES
WA[1][1] Controlled Substances â?? Manufacture â?? What Constitutes â?? Cultivation of Marijuana for Personal Use The cultivation of marijuana for personal use constitutes the "manufacture" of a controlled substance within the applicable statutory definitions (RCW 69.50.101(m), (u)).
WA[2][2] Statutes â?? Construction â?? Unambiguous Language â?? In General Statutory language which has a clear and unambiguous meaning is not subject to judicial construction.
COUNSEL: John D. Knodell, Attorney at Law, for appellant (appointed counsel for appeal).
Paul A. Klasen, Jr., Prosecuting Attorney, and Mary Ann Brady, Deputy, for respondent.
JUDGES: Green, J. McInturff, C.J., and Thompson, J., concur.
OPINION BY: GREEN
OPINION
[*874] [**989] Roy Adams appeals his conviction of possession of a controlled substance with intent to manufacture. We affirm.
It is undisputed that on August 8, 1984, two Grant County police officers, acting under a valid search warrant, entered and searched Mr. Adams' apartment. During the search, the officers seized miscellaneous [***2] drug paraphernalia and nine growing plants, later confirmed to bear 19.2 grams of marijuana. They also discovered what the trial court [*875] described as a "self-concealed", [**990] "foil-lined closet" equipped with special lights. The trial court found that Roy Adams, as sole occupant, possessed the marijuana with an intent to manufacture.
On appeal, Mr. Adams admits possession of the plants, but contends that the statutory definition of manufacture does not include cultivation of marijuana for one's personal use. Mr. Adams argues that by statute, manufacture of a controlled substance may be accomplished only by means of extraction and/or synthesis, and since neither term encompasses cultivation, he is not guilty of intent to manufacture. We disagree.
WA[1][1] Mr. Adams was charged with violating RCW 69.50.401(a). HN1Go to this Headnote in the case.As used in that statute, manufacture, as defined by RCW 69.50.101(m) means:
the production, preparation, propagation, compounding, conversion or processing of a controlled substance, either directly or indirectly by extraction . . . or independently by means of chemical synthesis, or by a combination of extraction and chemical synthesis . . . except that [***3] this term does not include the preparation or compounding of a controlled substance by an individual for his own use . . .
The term production "includes the manufacture, planting, cultivation, growing, or harvesting of a controlled substance." RCW 69.50.101(u). When read in light of the plain meaning and general purpose of the statute, it is evident the Legislature intended that "manufacture" may be accomplished either directly, or, in the alternative, indirectly or independently by extraction and/or synthesis. Thus, we do not find it was the Legislature's intent to limit the meaning of "manufacture" as contended by Mr. Adams. To hold otherwise would preclude giving effect to the statutory definition of production, i.e., cultivating, growing or harvesting. Substituting those terms for "production" in RCW 69.50.101(m) makes it clear that the phrase "either directly or indirectly by extraction . . . or independently by means of chemical synthesis, or by a combination of [*876] extraction and chemical synthesis . . ." is an alternative way of manufacturing. One does not cultivate, grow or harvest marijuana "directly or indirectly by extraction . . ." Thus, Mr. [***4] Adams' argument must fail.
Mr. Adams also argues that it is the Legislature's intent in RCW 69.50.101(m) to punish more severely those who traffic narcotics, rather than those who produce minimal amounts of contraband for personal use. To the contrary, we construe HN2Go to this Headnote in the case.the Legislature's intent, in adopting the Uniform Controlled Substances Act, was to impose a higher penalty for the manufacture of even small quantities of controlled substances than for mere possession. RCW 69.50.101(m) states in part that manufacture does not include "preparation or compounding" a controlled substance for personal use. The four activities not excepted by the statute contemplate a significantly higher degree of activity involving the controlled substance. Thus, they are more appropriately made felonies without regard to whether the controlled substance so "manufactured" was for personal use or for distribution. We find no merit to Mr. Adams' contention.
WA[2][2] Moreover, we find HN3Go to this Headnote in the case.the statutory language is plain, concise, and unambiguous and, therefore, not subject to interpretation. Kenworthy v. Bolin, 17 Wn. App. 650, 654, 564 P.2d 835 (1977). When the language of a statute is plain and [***5] free from ambiguity, there is no room for construction because the meaning will be discovered from the wording of the statute itself. Bavarian Properties, Ltd. v. Ross, 104 Wn.2d 73, 77, 700 P.2d 1161 (1985).
Affirmed.
James, sometimes it better to do a synopsis and then link to the law. Too much stuff to read through to get to the gist of what it all mean. :thumbsup:
Ok, I read the whole thing. Its from before 1998 and the Medical Marijuana Law passing. I wonder how it would be now with the affirmative defense. :cool:
In Washington State, a patient has to manufacture since the law doesn't give places or business to acquire medicine. They can't have it both ways. :D
I have tried to do the link thing but, It just comes up to the lexis nexis sign in screen...it won't allow you too see it unless you are a subscribed paying member....so all though I feel what your saying and agree...it is impossible to do.
Keep in mind that when charged under VCSA of Washington for marijuana, the AFF. DEF. does not negate probable cause meaning that one must defend against a crime...so this case does apply to the crime charged which is manufacturing...the act does nothing more than allow one too ask the court/jury to excuse one's conduct by way of a dr.'s authorization to negate one's conduct only....
If you miss this in your conclusions, then you don't truly understand our MMJ laws and will get flustered as many do....
To do just a synopsis may cause some too really miss out on leaning this stuff like a lawyer understands it, so one don't need to ask one if they truly understand this stuff....if you don't like reading the whole thing...the easiest way is too just read the overview of each case located generally in the first 2 paragraphs...then stop reading...this would be what your looking for....
I don't know how too do it otherwise, and if I stop, then no-on gets any of it at all....and we are all back too square one before I started posting this stuff...so I feel a compromise may be in order here gypski....
Also note that the other site we posted at is shut down...from what I can see...so here is our last stand since the other local site is like piranhas right now...it soon may be shut down with what's going on...time will tell.
All my info. I posted over the last 60 days is gone....
For now, I'll just assume it's 15 live, green things max.
A club owner told me about plants under a foot not counting. It's surprising that even the most informed of us still don't really know for sure.
I think your confusing max.>>>>> with 15 plants...it is written that 15 plants is the base line for "ALL" qualifying patients with valid documentation...if a patient needs more than 15 plants or 24 oz. then under the WAC code an authorizing licensed person under the new additions(once griegiore signs it)may sign for more than the 15 plants...this will cause 1 of 2 things to occur if leo finds more than 15 plants.Quote:
Originally Posted by seattlegreens
1) They arrest you and pull "ALL" ur plants and a judge/jury will decide ur fate with what evidence you produce in court. IF YOU WIN, THEY OWE YOU 3 X $4,800 PER PLANT UNDER THE TRESPASS LAWS OF WA.(see the legal section forum). This could be a huge payday for anyone willing to tough it out.
2) Leo will pull anything over 15, not arrest you, take a sample, send a completed investigation to the prosecutor and you must sue them for damages (trespass to chattels) with reckless disregard for your safety/health. Abuse of discretion if you produce your authorization and the officer doesn't contact your dr. if you give consent too. Then fight the charges if ou get charged.
Of course our courts have yet too interpret this part of the act( steve sarich is working on this one and so is john worthington), it is contained in other cases which show this to be true.
So as long as your doctor authorizes more than 15, ur in the clear for using your AFF. DEF. your going too need to use anyway....so grow what you need and tell ur doctor how much that is that you find being a necessity.. it's that simple...KISS..KEEP IT SIMPLE STUPID.
THCF is talking about oregon ONLY on the under a foot don't count..they don't count as adult mature plants for the 6 plant limit for mature plants. THIS DOES NOT APPLY TOO WASHINGTON STATE AT ALL.
"So as long as your doctor authorizes more than 15, ur in the clear for using your AFF. DEF. your going too need to use anyway....so grow what you need and tell ur doctor how much that is that you find being a necessity.. it's that simple...KISS..KEEP IT SIMPLE STUPID."
The problem is that a doctor can not legally write any such info on the MMJ authorization form because he can't legally prescribe MMJ. But he can certainly testify in court that he would recommend a higher than the guidelines quantity of medicine.
Some people don't understand that the reason they can't is because they are licensed by the state to practice medicine but they are licensed federally by the DEA for any prescritpions. Becuase MMJ is illegally federally the doctor leaves himself open to be prosecuted federally and could lose his precription priveleges plus risks jail plus then because that is a felony he will lose his right to practice medicine in Washington. There is a process to get his MD license back here in Washington but he will probably never be able to write prescription for anything any more.
A terrible catch 22 line of bullshit by our federal government.
If you come to a point medically that you feel you need more than the 15 plants or 24 ounce 60 day supply, talk to the doctor that geave you the authorization to let him know you need more so it can be added to his chart notes and be prepared to get lawyered up. It is perfectly legal in some situations to grow more but it will become an issue with your local gendarmes if they trump up some reason to serve a search warrant.Quote:
Originally Posted by seattlegreens
A doctor had a case in Spokane recently (last weekend?) where his patient was charged with growing, although they had a card.Quote:
Originally Posted by killerweed420
Since they were growing about 60plants however, they still got charged because the court believed there to be no medical necessity for the amount of plants.
This doctor specifically said that if you want to grow, please do not exceed 15 plants so that this does not happen again. He is willing to go to bat for anybody that does not exceed this (and probably will try for anybody not selling it).
I don't grow because I don't have the space for it, nor the balls to take the risk. I do plan to have a fellow patient become a caregiver though, and I'd like them to be as safe as possible. One thing I was thinking is getting a 2nd card for myself from a 2nd doctor. This way I would have 2 medical opinions, and could have 2 doctors come to court. It seems the court would be hard pressed to discredit the medical opinion of 2 completely unrelated doctors.
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Originally Posted by seattlegreens
In this weeks case in Shelton that is exactly one of the arguements the prosecutor made. The defendents had got 4 different MMJ authorizations from 4 different doctors in a 7 year period. He was trying to both smear the doctors name plus make the defendents look like they were trying to beat the system. Generally the best thing you can do is get the MMJ authorizations from a doctor not connected to these docs in a box. And also make sure the doctor wrtites in his chart notes how effective the medicine is being and whether more maybe required. These docs in a box are not very good at keeping good chart notes and those will be brought into a case as evidence.Quote:
Originally Posted by seattlegreens
That's good advice getting MMJ from a regular doctor.
Especially good if you could get it from your family doctor that you have been to for years.
I had not heard about the Shelton case. Did it seem that having 4 doctors write him MMJ recommendations was actually detrimental to his case, or just one of the facts?
Seems it would be more difficult to smear 4 doctors than to discredit only one... but if the judge says differently, it would be nice to know.
The prosecutor tried to make it look like it was nefarious but it wasn't. Mainly because the one defendent is terminal and was needing a lot of meds to help and they were both opiate intolerant. The problem was 2 of the docs in a box were either writing expirations dates or writing amounts of meds on there MMJ authorizations. Writing amounts on the authorization is illegal. They were just trying to be as cautiious as possible about covering there butts. The problem was that neither of them were very knowledgeable about the new law and unaware of how vague and convoluted it is. And so because they weren't attorneys they got hammered.Quote:
Originally Posted by seattlegreens
Its important for all you MMJ growers to try and read up as much as possible about your rights and try to cover your butts till this gets cleaned up.
Some hints:
Keep your doors locked
If possible grow in an outer building that is kept locked
Put a copy of your MMJ authorization in a dry place outside of the locked building for officers to look at.
Do not EVER open your door to talk to the police, remain inside and talk to them through the door or a window.
USE YOUR 5th AMENDMENT RIGHTS
And remember MJ is still not legal, it only allows for a defense arguement in court. If you go to court be prepared to subpeona your doctor because most don't want to be in court.
BEST THING TO DO IS NOT USE A DOC-IN-THE-BOX DOCTOR....:thumbsup: THESE FOLKS ARE CAUSING HUGE COURT PROBLEMS WITH PATIENTS CASES BECAUSE THEY DON'T OWN THE BUSINESS AND ARE IGNORANT OF THE LAWS BECAUSE OF SUCH. THEY RELY ON SOMEONE ELSE TO COVER LEGAL ISSUES, THE CONTRACT OWNER OF THE CLINIC...WHO IS NOT A DOCTOR, WHO ONLY CARES ABOUT PROFITS...
WAKE UP PEOPLE...
So far that hasn't caused any issues at all. Its mainly that doctors are nto educating themselves enough on the legal aspect of this on how to legally protect there patients. And a big factor too is patients not understanding the law enough to cover there butts.
If you're going to grow more than the guideline amount, talk to your doctor and tell them the MMJ is working but you need more than the 15 plant guideline. Have him document that in his chart notes not the MMJ authorization form. And as usual it may all be for nothing, the police may rip out your garden and confiscate everything, drag your ass in court,end up with a shitty jury and then you end up with a felony on your record all because you were frowing a perfectly natural plant for medicine. Its a very unfair system but nobody ever said life was going to be fair. All we can do is to keep putting political pressure on the thugs in control of our legislatures and congress. There's still a long fight left, its not over just because we have an affirmative defense option in court.
Can you list off every court case in washington and which Dr.'s have signed in those cases???? each one is a doc-in-the-box, namely THCF.....no others are on the books my friend....so yes, it is da doc-in-da-boxes fucking shit up for us here in washington....get rid of them and we solve a big huge patient problem here in wa.....anything less is just bullshit.Quote:
Originally Posted by killerweed420
The gove signed the new law so that PAC's and others can know sign MMJ authorizations. That should help. They can't legally write prescriptions so they don't have to worry about the DEA breathing down there necks.
But as I've said before, if LEO feels like targeting you they will.
So the analogy here is the more who sign the less get prosecuted? :wtf:Quote:
Originally Posted by killerweed420
I must say the more who sign makes more victims available for the wolves...look at cali. almost anyone can get an authorization...same theory...how many cases are on the books of cali?
Time will tell..and I don't see time changing much in a new created MMJ prosecution laws....it just keeps getting worse as far as the ridiculous ourt rulings and state claims.
Sick, Sad and abhorrent...