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in your opinion...what will happen?
will everyone really grow 25sq ft of pot? will the state steal the profit from the growers? will growers exist?
if it does become law to posses an ounce of weed...grow 25 sq ft of pot and you must be 21 to do it...what do you think will happen
i think it will pass with a majority vote clean and simple. also, IMHO, it WILLput illegal growers out to dry. why would anyone want to pay $300 an ounce when they could either grow it themselves or get it from someone they know, or even buy it at the liquor or pot store? ive read online where the illegal growers are already pissin and moanin about legalization, and how much they are going to loose profit wise if its legalized. WHAH! WHAH!...tough tit i say, and thats one of the reasons WHY its gonna happen in november. the state knows people are gonna do it illegal or not, and if made legal, its gonna knock out illegal profits and growers, mexican importers and others that profit from the illegal cultivation and sale, which is gonna free up millions in law enforcement funds to put them where they NEED to be. furthermore, the cities and counties are going to be able to legally grow, sell the product and use the money locally ( i firmly believe that that specific clause in the laws the reason that these dispensaries have been hammered so damn hard by the cities. it has nothing to do with the fact that they dont want them there, it has to do with the fact that when legalization passes, they dont want the competition! it only makes sense. when the law to legalize was on the board awhile back, soon as word got around, in comes these city counsels,ect putting "moratoriums" up. HMMMMM....the dr's say legalization to their patients, but believe me, there sweating it as much as the illegal growers. if you can buy an ounce of weed for ,say 100 bucks, and smoke it legally, why would you pay a dr $180 bucks, and then $150 for a renewal?
I'm a bit worried actually. Having a medical card I already feel that it's legal "enough", nevermind the fact that even if it becomes legal in the state that still isn't going to do anything for federal laws.
Main reason I'm worried is because for a lot of people they will see the whole thing as nothing but a cookie jar to keep reaching in and taking more money. I'm afraid it will be like cigarettes in New York. I think they pay nearly $5 just in tax per pack. It's an easy sell to pass additional taxes on something the majority of people don't use. Everyone loves passing taxes that other people have to pay and unless we get to the point where the majority of the people in this state smoke I think we are going to slip into a black hole of increasing taxes.
And of course that won't just have the effect of driving up prices but the quality will also go down. The government might step in and regulate just how much THC can be in stuff sold in stores, etc. We might end up paying $20 for a 2 or 3-pack of schwag joints. Whereas right now I can get an 8th of schwag for $10-15.
so let them. the act allows for users to cultivate their OWN shit without buying it from someone else..heres the summery :
The Regulate, Control and Tax Cannabis Act of 2010
Title and Summary:
Changes California Law to Legalize Marijuana and Allow It to Be Regulated and Taxed. Initiative Statute.
Allows people 21 years old or older to possess, cultivate, or transport marijuana for personal use. Permits local governments to regulate and tax commercial production and sale of marijuana to people 21 years old or older. Prohibits people from possessing marijuana on school grounds, using it in public, smoking it while minors are present, or providing it to anyone under 21 years old. Maintains current prohibitions against driving while impaired. Summary of estimate by Legislative Analyst and Director of Finance of fiscal impact on state and local governments: Savings of up to several tens of millions of dollars annually to state and local governments on the costs of incarcerating and supervising certain marijuana offenders. Unknown but potentially major tax, fee, and benefit assessment revenues to state and local government related to the production and sale of marijuana products.
Section 1: Name
This Act shall be known as the ??Regulate, Control and Tax Cannabis Act of 2010.?
Section 2: Findings, Intent and Purposes
This Act, adopted by the People of the State of California, makes the following Findings and Statement of Intent and Purpose:
A. Findings
1. California??s laws criminalizing cannabis (marijuana) have failed and need to be reformed. Despite spending decades arresting millions of non-violent cannabis consumers, we have failed to control cannabis or reduce its availability.
2. According to surveys, roughly 100 million Americans (around 1/3 of the country??s population) acknowledge that they have used cannabis, 15 million of those Americans having consumed cannabis in the last month. Cannabis consumption is simply a fact of life for a large percentage of Americans.
3. Despite having some of the strictest cannabis laws in the world, the United States has the largest number of cannabis consumers. The percentage of our citizens who consume cannabis is double that of the percentage of people who consume cannabis in the Netherlands, a country where the selling and adult possession of cannabis is allowed.
4. According to The National Research Council??s recent study of the 11 U.S. states where cannabis is currently decriminalized, there is little apparent relationship between severity of sanctions and the rate of consumption.
5. Cannabis has fewer harmful effects than either alcohol or cigarettes, which are both legal for adult consumption. Cannabis is not physically addictive, does not have long term toxic effects on the body, and does not cause its consumers to become violent.
6. There is an estimated $15 billion in illegal cannabis transactions in California each year. Taxing and regulating cannabis, like we do with alcohol and cigarettes, will generate billions of dollars in annual revenues for California to fund what matters most to Californians: jobs, health care, schools and libraries, roads, and more.
7. California wastes millions of dollars a year targeting, arresting, trying, convicting, and imprisoning non-violent citizens for cannabis related offenses. This money would be better used to combat violent crimes and gangs.
8. The illegality of cannabis enables for the continuation of an out-of-control criminal market, which in turn spawns other illegal and often violent activities. Establishing legal, regulated sales outlets would put dangerous street dealers out of business.
B. Purposes
1. Reform California??s cannabis laws in a way that will benefit our state.
2. Regulate cannabis like we do alcohol: Allow adults to possess and consume small amounts of cannabis.
3. Implement a legal regulatory framework to give California more control over the cultivation, processing, transportation, distribution, and sales of cannabis.
4. Implement a legal regulatory framework to better police and prevent access to and consumption of cannabis by minors in California.
5. Put dangerous, underground street dealers out of business, so their influence in our communities will fade.
6. Provide easier, safer access for patients who need cannabis for medical purposes.
7. Ensure that if a city decides not to tax and regulate the sale of cannabis, that buying and selling cannabis within that city??s limits remain illegal, but that the city??s citizens still have the right to possess and consume small amounts, except as permitted under Health and Safety Sections 11362.5 and 11362.7 through 11362.9.
8. Ensure that if a city decides it does want to tax and regulate the buying and selling of cannabis (to and from adults only), that a strictly controlled legal system is implemented to oversee and regulate cultivation, distribution, and sales, and that the city will have control over how and how much cannabis can be bought and sold, except as permitted under Health and Safety Sections 11362.5 and 11362.7 through 11362.9.
9. Tax and regulate cannabis to generate billions of dollars for our state and local governments to fund what matters most: jobs, healthcare, schools and libraries, parks, roads, transportation, and more.
10. Stop arresting thousands of non-violent cannabis consumers, freeing up police resources and saving millions of dollars each year, which could be used for apprehending truly dangerous criminals and keeping them locked up, and for other essential state needs that lack funding.
11. Allow the Legislature to adopt a statewide regulatory system for a commercial cannabis industry.
12. Make cannabis available for scientific, medical, industrial, and research purposes.
13. Permit California to fulfill the state??s obligations under the United States Constitution to enact laws concerning health, morals, public welfare and safety within the State.
14. Permit the cultivation of small amounts of cannabis for personal consumption.
C. Intent
1. This Act is intended to limit the application and enforcement of state and local laws relating to possession, transportation, cultivation, consumption and sale of cannabis, including but not limited to the following, whether now existing or adopted in the future: Health and Safety Code sections 11014.5 and 11364.5 [relating to drug paraphernalia]; 11054 [relating to cannabis or tetrahydrocannabinols]; 11357 [relating to possession]; 11358 [relating to cultivation]; 11359 [possession for sale]; 11360 [relating to transportation and sales]; 11366 [relating to maintenance of places]; 11366.5 [relating to use of property]; 11370 [relating to punishment]; 11470 [relating to forfeiture]; 11479 [relating to seizure and destruction]; 11703 [relating to definitions regarding illegal substances]; 11705 [actions for use of illegal controlled substance]; Vehicle Code sections 23222 and 40000.15 [relating to possession].
2. This Act is not intended to affect the application or enforcement of the following state laws relating to public health and safety or protection of children and others: Health and Safety Code sections 11357 [relating to possession on school grounds]; 11361 [relating to minors as amended herein]; 11379.6 [relating to chemical production]; 11532 [relating to loitering to commit a crime or acts not authorized by law]; Vehicle Code section 23152 [relating to driving while under the influence]; Penal Code section 272 [relating to contributing to the delinquency of a minor]; nor any law prohibiting use of controlled substances in the workplace or by specific persons whose jobs involve public safety.
Section 3: Lawful Activities
Article 5 of Chapter 5 of Division 10 of the Health and Safety Code, commencing with section 11300 is added to read:
Section 11300: Personal Regulation and Controls
(a) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, it is lawful and shall not be a public offense under California law for any person 21 years of age or older to:
(i) Personally possess, process, share, or transport not more than one ounce of cannabis, solely for that individual??s personal consumption, and not for sale.
(ii) Cultivate, on private property by the owner, lawful occupant, or other lawful resident or guest of the private property owner or lawful occupant, cannabis plants for personal consumption only, in an area of not more than twenty-five square feet per private residence or, in the absence of any residence, the parcel. Cultivation on leased or rented property may be subject to approval from the owner of the property. Provided that, nothing in this section shall permit unlawful or unlicensed cultivation of cannabis on any public lands.
(iii) Possess on the premises where grown the living and harvested plants and results of any harvest and processing of plants lawfully cultivated pursuant to section 11300(a)(ii), for personal consumption.
(iv) Possess objects, items, tools, equipment, products and materials associated with activities permitted under this subsection.
(b) ??Personal consumption? shall include but is not limited to possession and consumption, in any form, of cannabis in a residence or other non-public place, and shall include licensed premises open to the public authorized to permit on-premises consumption of cannabis by a local government pursuant to section 11301.
(c) ??Personal consumption? shall not include, and nothing in this Act shall permit cannabis:
(i) possession for sale regardless of amount, except by a person who is licensed or permitted to do so under the terms of an ordinance adopted pursuant to section 11301;
(ii) consumption in public or in a public place;
(iii) consumption by the operator of any vehicle, boat or aircraft while it is being operated, or that impairs the operator;
(iv) smoking cannabis in any space while minors are present.
Section 11301: Commercial Regulations and Controls
Notwithstanding any other provision of state or local law, a local government may adopt ordinances, regulations, or other acts having the force of law to control, license, regulate, permit or otherwise authorize, with conditions, the following:
(a) cultivation, processing, distribution, the safe and secure transportation, sale and possession for sale of cannabis, but only by persons and in amounts lawfully authorized;
(b) retail sale of not more than one ounce per transaction, in licensed premises, to persons 21 years or older, for personal consumption and not for resale;
(c) appropriate controls on cultivation, transportation, sales, and consumption of cannabis to strictly prohibit access to cannabis by persons under the age of 21;
(d) age limits and controls to ensure that all persons present in, employed by, or in any way involved in the operation of, any such licensed premises are 21 or older;
(e) consumption of cannabis within licensed premises;
(f) safe and secure transportation of cannabis from a licensed premises for cultivation or processing, to a licensed premises for sale or on-premises consumption of cannabis;
(g) prohibit and punish through civil fines or other remedies the possession, sale, possession for sale, cultivation, processing, or transportation of cannabis that was not obtained lawfully from a person pursuant to this section or section 11300;
(h) appropriate controls on licensed premises for sale, cultivation, processing, or sale and on-premises consumption, of cannabis, including limits on zoning and land use, locations, size, hours of operation, occupancy, protection of adjoining and nearby properties and persons from unwanted exposure, advertising, signs and displays, and other controls necessary for protection of the public health and welfare;
(i) appropriate environmental and public health controls to ensure that any licensed premises minimizes any harm to the environment, adjoining and nearby landowners, and persons passing by;
(j) appropriate controls to restrict public displays, or public consumption of cannabis;
(k) appropriate taxes or fees pursuant to section 11302;
(l) such larger amounts as the local authority deems appropriate and proper under local circumstances, than those established under section 11300(a) for personal possession and cultivation, or under this section for commercial cultivation, processing, transportation and sale by persons authorized to do so under this section;
(m) any other appropriate controls necessary for protection of the public health and welfare.
Section 11302: Imposition and Collection of Taxes and Fees
(a) Any ordinance, regulation or other act adopted pursuant to section 11301 may include imposition of appropriate general, special or excise, transfer or transaction taxes, benefit assessments, or fees, on any activity authorized pursuant to such enactment, in order to permit the local government to raise revenue, or to recoup any direct or indirect costs associated with the authorized activity, or the permitting or licensing scheme, including without limitation: administration; applications and issuance of licenses or permits; inspection of licensed premises and other enforcement of ordinances adopted under section 11301, including enforcement against unauthorized activities.
(b) Any licensed premises shall be responsible for paying all federal, state and local taxes, fees, fines, penalties or other financial responsibility imposed on all or similarly situated businesses, facilities or premises, including without limitation income taxes, business taxes, license fees, and property taxes, without regard to or identification of the business or items or services sold.
Section 11303: Seizure
(a) Notwithstanding sections 11470 and 11479 of the Health and Safety Code or any other provision of law, no state or local law enforcement agency or official shall attempt to, threaten to, or in fact seize or destroy any cannabis plant, cannabis seeds or cannabis that is lawfully cultivated, processed, transported, possessed, possessed for sale, sold or used in compliance with this Act or any local government ordinance, law or regulation adopted pursuant to this Act.
Section 11304: Effect of Act and Definitions
(a) This Act shall not be construed to affect, limit or amend any statute that forbids impairment while engaging in dangerous activities such as driving, or that penalizes bringing cannabis to a school enrolling pupils in any grade from kindergarten through 12, inclusive.
(b) Nothing in this Act shall be construed or interpreted to permit interstate or international transportation of cannabis. This Act shall be construed to permit a person to transport cannabis in a safe and secure manner from a licensed premises in one city or county to a licensed premises in another city or county pursuant to any ordinances adopted in such cities or counties, notwithstanding any other state law or the lack of any such ordinance in the intervening cities or counties.
(c) No person shall be punished, fined, discriminated against, or be denied any right or privilege for lawfully engaging in any conduct permitted by this Act or authorized pursuant to Section 11301 of this Act. Provided however, that the existing right of an employer to address consumption that actually impairs job performance by an employee shall not be affected.
(d) Definitions
For purposes of this Act:
(i) ??Marijuana? and ??cannabis? are interchangeable terms that mean all parts of the plant Genus Cannabis, whether growing or not; the resin extracted from any part of the plant; concentrated cannabis; edible products containing same; and every active compound, manufacture, derivative, or preparation of the plant, or resin.
(ii) ??One ounce? means 28.5 grams.
(iii) For purposes of section 11300(a)(ii) ??cannabis plant? means all parts of a living Cannabis plant.
(iv) In determining whether an amount of cannabis is or is not in excess of the amounts permitted by this Act, the following shall apply:
(a) only the active amount of the cannabis in an edible cannabis product shall be included;
(b) living and harvested cannabis plants shall be assessed by square footage, not by weight in determining the amounts set forth in section 11300(a);
(c) in a criminal proceeding a person accused of violating a limitation in this Act shall have the right to an affirmative defense that the cannabis was reasonably related to his or her personal consumption.
(v) ??residence? means a dwelling or structure, whether permanent or temporary, on private or public property, intended for occupation by a person or persons for residential purposes, and includes that portion of any structure intended for both commercial and residential purposes.
(vi) ??local government? means a city, county, or city and county.
(vii) ??licensed premises? is any commercial business, facility, building, land or area that has a license, permit or is otherwise authorized to cultivate, process, transport, sell, or permit on-premises consumption, of cannabis pursuant to any ordinance or regulation adopted by a local government pursuant to section 11301, or any subsequently enacted state statute or regulation.
Section 4: Prohibition on Furnishing Marijuana to Minors
Section 11361 of the Health and Safety Code is amended to read:
Prohibition on Furnishing Marijuana to Minors
(a) Every person 18 years of age or over who hires, employs, or uses a minor in transporting, carrying, selling, giving away, preparing for sale, or peddling any marijuana, who unlawfully sells, or offers to sell, any marijuana to a minor, or who furnishes, administers, or gives, or offers to furnish, administer, or give any marijuana to a minor under 14 years of age, or who induces a minor to use marijuana in violation of law shall be punished by imprisonment in the state prison for a period of three, five, or seven years.
(b) Every person 18 years of age or over who furnishes, administers, or gives, or offers to furnish, administer, or give, any marijuana to a minor 14 years of age or older shall be punished by imprisonment in the state prison for a period of three, four, or five years.
(c) Every person 21 years of age or over who knowingly furnishes, administers, or gives, or offers to furnish, administer or give, any marijuana to a person aged 18 years or older, but younger than 21 years of age, shall be punished by imprisonment in the county jail for a period of up to six months and be fined up to $1,000 for each offense.
(d) In addition to the penalties above, any person who is licensed, permitted or authorized to perform any act pursuant to Section 11301, who while so licensed, permitted or authorized, negligently furnishes, administers, gives or sells, or offers to furnish, administer, give or sell, any marijuana to any person younger than 21 years of age shall not be permitted to own, operate, be employed by, assist or enter any licensed premises authorized under Section 11301 for a period of one year.
Section 5: Amendment
Pursuant to Article 2, section 10(c) of the California Constitution, this Act may be amended either by a subsequent measure submitted to a vote of the People at a statewide election; or by statute validly passed by the Legislature and signed by the Governor, but only to further the purposes of the Act. Such permitted amendments include but are not limited to:
(a) Amendments to the limitations in section 11300, which limitations are minimum thresholds and the Legislature may adopt less restrictive limitations.
(b) Statutes and authorize regulations to further the purposes of the Act to establish a statewide regulatory system for a commercial cannabis industry that addresses some or all of the items referenced in Sections 11301 and 11302.
(c) Laws to authorize the production of hemp or non-active cannabis for horticultural and industrial purposes.
Section 6: Severability
If any provision of this measure or the application thereof to any person or circumstance is held invalid, that invalidity shall not affect other provisions or applications of the measure that can be given effect without the invalid provision or application, and to this end the provisions of this measure are severable.
the way i see it it will do several things
it will:
redirect law enforcement and monies used for the arrest,harrassment and conviction of so-called "illegal marijuana users/cultivators" into areas where we need them the most, violent crime ect on the streets. millions are wasted each year in california to bust and convict marijuana users and cultivators. this money should be being used to chase down real crime and do some good.
provide the cities and/or counties monies they need to survive in this recession. it will allow cities and counties not only to tax marijuana sales, but also cultivate and distribute themselves,pocketing the money and using it where needed.
run illegal cultivators and distributors out of business.millions are spent each year just for helicopters to fly around the golden state and look for pot being illegally grown on public and private lands. how many MILLIONS do organizations like C.A.M.P spend each and every year just on helicopter trips and fuel, not to mention paying the salaries of those on board?
the bill makes ALOT of good points. i truly believe 100% that come this november, it will pass. i also believe that this is exactly why the counties and cities in california are screwing with the dispensaries. if you remeber, back a couple months ago there was an initiative to legalize come up. it was all over the news,ect. if i remeber correctly ( which i may not,but who knows) that bills content and context were virtually identical to the upcomming bills text and content. at that time, there was also talk of counties being able to regulate, grow,distribute and tax marijuana. that left the dispensaries and co-ops their oposition, so why not blow them out, or at least make it as hard on them as possible?...if legalized, the cities and counties can take their places ( so they think...LOL)...id also bet ( after talking with my local pharmacist when i picked up my pills this month) that once legalized within the state, youd be able to get a REAL script from your dr, and get it directly from the local rite-aid or walgreens.....wouldnt that be cool....
anyway, legalization will happen in california this november.
if urge everyone for legalization to donate to the cause
this will allow California farmers to grow and benefit from industrial hemp..the USA is the largest consumer of hemp products in the world and none is legally grown here..everything is imported from Asia and European nations sending jobs and dollars overseas...lets strengthen our economy and put California's farm land to good use....this alone could change the national scene from setting an example just by the economic impact to our state! :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup: :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by ShastaCoMan
:smokin:
here here!Quote:
Originally Posted by stra8outtaWeed
hemp was grown along the sacramento river way before are time. if you drive around down off the side roads along the sloughs with your head outts the window when the sun starts going down, youll find it to. ive seen hemp plants along the river sloughs down there years ago that would astound you.
I got one thing to say.
STONER'S DON'T GROW WEED.
COMERCIAL GROWER'S DON'T KNOW HOW.
Why do cops like to chase stoners ? They don't run and they don't have a gun.
Cali leagle. Watch out they got a couple million peeps headed thier way.
Remember all the gold in California was not found in the mines. Most found it in the pockets of miners. Much easier to dig for.
Oh, I get it if everyone runs off to Cali leagle then I will be in high demand here in Bumfuck. LOL.
great thread. :cool:
Thank you, Shasta for posting the prop. I didn't know that this also allows the counties to have commercial grows for their retail sales. I guess that makes sense, though. You have to have a supply to meet, what I would imagine, would be a hellava demand. At least at first.
But I gotta believe there will always be a demand for the best, you know that one secret Nor Cal strain or bubba's big ass tree he grew out here in Baumfauk. :rastasmoke:
and as Weed mentioned, this also allows hemp farming to return to Cali. :greenthumb: that alone would get my vote. :thumbsup:
The prohibs will no doubt hit hard and heavy this summer. I look for an October suprise of some sorts. :stoned: good luck.
Below is the section the prohibs are already attacking. I completely agree with this section, but I think they are planning on organizing resistance to the prop using this section.
(c) No person shall be punished, fined, discriminated against, or be denied any right or privilege for lawfully engaging in any conduct permitted by this Act or authorized pursuant to Section 11301 of this Act. Provided however, that the existing right of an employer to address consumption that actually impairs job performance by an employee shall not be affected.
what i find hilarious is stories like these:
a quote fron a story on indybat.com
"Another segment of the marijuana industry that is strongly against the legalization initiative is the thousands of marijuana growers and distributes that earn a living off the huge price markup on marijuana??s illegal status. With consumers able to grow their own marijuana and the impending gold rush of commercial businesses that will be looking to capitalize on the new market, prices are surely to drop as supply will overtake demand, forcing many industry outlaws out of business.
Fear of legalization is strong enough in Humboldt County, a self-proclaimed marijuana mecca of California, that civic leaders, activists and growers all came together for a town-hall style meeting to brainstorm ideas to stay relevant (and keep bringing in county revenue) in a legalized market. It??s not only the pot farmers of Humboldt that fear legalization, the entire county which has been the focus of several documentaries, rely on marijuana to drive it??s entire economy. One of the ideas made at the meeting was to make Humboldt a ??Napa Valley of weed?, turning the vast marijuana fields into a destination for marijuana aficionados, with tours, tastings and events. It??s too early to tell if any of the ideas might save Humboldt??s economy but most in the county would prefer to just keep marijuana illegal. Stickers with the saying ??Save Humboldt County ?? keep pot illegal? have been appearing across local businesses in the area."
all ive got to say is TOUGH SHIT. fact is, maybe they should have based their counties economy on something other than growing ILLEGALLY.......now when its legalized, and they start to snivel, the governments going to say tough shit.
I really like the idea of making humbolt like the napa valley for bud tourists. :pimp: Can you imagine visting each herb shop and trying a small sample and picking up a bud or two of the ones you really like. :stoned: I'd be on the first flight.
they fear change...you can't save the dinosaurs....as world changes we all need to change with it and GROW with it...not fight it....they will figure out how to survive economically and i believe it will be for the better:jointsmile:
what a joke. Lets call "legalization" what it really is..."control and regulation of Medical Marijuana."
If this bill passes it is going to make a mockery of what we have been doing for over 15 years in California. It is not about recreational use, its about helping those who need it.
The people pushing this bill are the ones who will profit from it initially...the big dispensaries. So read the bill completely...and think about who this really benefits. It even clearly states that localities that do not want distribution centers...will not have it...thus, driving business to Oakland...RICHARD LEE...and the big dispensaries.
Follow the dollar people. Follow the dollar.:jointsmile:
This also need to be said...WHEN CALIFORNIA PASSES THIS BILL, the Federal government is going to fuck with ALL GROWERS...even the ones who are growing for medical purposes. It is going to bring all the fire and brimstone that Washington D.C. can throw at us.
And, like others have said...it does nothing to change the federal laws. People will still be too afraid to grow hemp commercially...and it will all still be very underground (if not more so than now).
i think that if cali passes an i hope to have my vote count it will force change in the federal level how are you going to police the 31 million people in the state with a laws that are legal in the state the dea doesn't have the man power to do so nor the fbi then we should expect the domino effect to take place with the rest of the states any court case brought up in them will have the sentence
"but it's legal in california how can you hold me accountable by law when the federal gov. allows it to be legal in cali by what right oes this state have to pass judgment on me"
if it were just a mere ticket for being caught say 50-100 dollars i'd be fine
with that even
but we all ways go back to
IT'S MY BODY WHO ARE YOU TO TELL ME WHAT I CAN AND CAN NOT DO TO IT!
i feel this should be the end of the conversation
i eat,sleep,shit,fuck how i want and it has nothing to do with you so leave me to myself and you worry about yourself
thing you need to remeber is no matter whats said and what the laws are, the states pretty much do WTF they want, and 99% of the time, the federal gvernment doesnt say shit...
example:
in the state of california, there are quite a few firearms that are deemed as and listed as "assault weapons" and are illegal here, even though they are FULLY legal on the federal level.
full auto firearms are illegal within several states, including calfornia, but are 100% LEGAL at the federal level, and easily transferable.
the US supreme court has ruled in favor of the second amendment on several occasions ( most recent being heller vs district of columbia),but yet the STATES pretty much decide what THEY are going to permit to be legal and what their NOT going to permit to be legal. there shouldnt be any legal federally but not at state level, and vise verse. another example, several states now have as much as told the federal government to go get screwed in asmuch as they have deemed that if i firearms manufactured in that specific state and isnt going to be removed from the state, it shouldnt have to be registered or declared to the federal government because it was purchased within the state by a state resident ,and manufactured within the state, leaving the federal government completely out of the equation. i thi nk what will happen is as always, california will pass it and legalize it, and we will be sort of the guinea pig state as always. once its worked here for awhile, other states ( especially the pro-MMJ states) will also pass similar laws, and when that happens, the feds will have to eventually consider legalization....do you realize that there are a bunch of states that can legally WITHDRAWL from the united states at anytime they wish? check it out. several states had withdrawl clauses added when they joined the union ( such as texas,montana,ect).
personally, i think that if somethings legal o n the state level and not legal on the federal level ( or vise verse) it sould be considered discrimination. hell, its like 75 miles from me they can own and do all sorts of stuff legally that i cant, just because i live in this shithole of a state. somehow that just isnt right.
i cant WAIT until the people vote it in. you know humbolt county is already sniveling and crying because their economies going to collapse if its made legal for everyone in the state because humbolt counties main source of ncome is illegal pot growers....BOO HOO!
i dont think so bro. i think that while it may ruffle their feathers, i dont think they will slam like that. they would have to move the fucking army into the state and arrest millions! that aint gonna happenQuote:
Originally Posted by martyrprojekt
plus the feds do recognize that California w/o the rest of the 49 states is the 6th largest economy in the world on its own so we pay our fair share of taxes which is all the feds really want and if they are garnering tax money from MJ sales through legal stores then it is game over...no one is gonna fuck with the money train!:thumbsup:
my thoughts exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by stra8outtaWeed
PLUS, its not only the actual profits ganed by TAXING, but also the literally HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of people that will literally pack teir shit and move TO california literally overnight. theres money there, more income for the state.
although that could be a double edged sword. we would have to put them to work growing weed cause there wont be any JOBS for them!
Miscog...Quote:
Originally Posted by Micsog
The Federal Government will never back down. The Demo-rats could barely pass health care without sweetheart deals cut in the back room for the blue dogs. Obama has increased funding for the war on drugs...with the lionshare of those appropriations being spent on Schedule 1 "DRUGS"...which marijuana is still Federally classified as (schedule 1). The Republi-cant's simply won't change anything...and would prefer to put us all in prison...or in Guantanamo Bay!
They may not have the manpower to combat 35 million potential users...but, they have virtually unlimited funds to raid and preosecute the shit out of people like you and me, without increasing their current budgets levels. They will take everything we own to make an example of us through the media and our court system. These kinds of Law Enforcement tactics have worked for hundreds of years in eliminating the opposition. Gestepo...CIA...KGB...California Highway Patrol...etc.etc. Would you risk using (even though legal) for recreational purposes, if the DEA could slam down your front door, and throw you in jail?
This law has the potential of fucking us all, and killing an industry before it gets off the ground...whether its commercial hemp farming, or dispensaries for medical and recreational use...there is way too much to take into consideration.
For example: How are they supposed to enforce DWI laws. There is no breathalizer for marijuana DWI cases. They have to rely on a blood or urine specimen collected at their processing centers. Those tests will of course test positive for people like me. Even though I only smoke at night.
We are not ready for this law yet. Not at all.
Shasta----you said something previously about the cost of bud going down when its available everywhere. In the legal language of this bill, your locality can outlaw dispensaries and distribution. The counties also can open their own COUNTY-RUN dispensaries (controlling the pricing and the market). Thus, creating a micro-market. This will keep prices sky high. Not to mention...government will never let a private citizen make money on something they can make money with. They hate competition, and will use their local law enforcement goons to keep you in check.
Not to mention the fact that California's products will continue to be shipped, and distributed, around the country...where smart individuals can get up to $500-600 per ounce of AAA quality buds, when they only paid a grower $200 per ounce.
If the law passes...there will be a huge increase in demand...and every illegal and legal grower will make a fucking fortune. The issue at hand is not the growers losing money...it is about the over-stretching hand of Government being put into place to regulate, distribute, and collect taxes from all of us. That is the issue at hand.
Look at how well they have handled Medicare, Social Security, Department of Education, Homeland Security, DEA, FBI, local law enforcement, prisons...etc.etc.etc. This is why our country (and states) are broke...too much regulation and taxation, with the governments hand in every cookie jar.
A yes vote for this bill will kill what we have all worked so hard for. We need to keep our eye on the prize. We need to reschedule marijuana federally as a Class 2, or Class 3, drug. Then we can focus on decriminalization. Put the pressure on your Representatives in Congress, The Senate...and the President to do the right thing. This whole bill is backwards dealings by the dispensaries.
You fail to realize that it is not about arresting and prosecuting millions. Thousands is easier...and that will keep people away. Hell, all 4 governor candidates here in California claim to have never smoked Marijuana...out of the fear tactics and propaganda machine that started with Anslinger's Pot Stamp.Quote:
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in the state of california, there are quite a few firearms that are deemed as and listed as "assault weapons" and are illegal here, even though they are FULLY legal on the federal level.[/QUOTE]
Bad example. California Gun laws do not prohibit selling assault weapons. I can get one here in 30 minutes. It is the sale of NEW Assault rifles. Even though the majority of assault rifles bought and sold in the US market were made by Norinco, Soviet, or Czech. Fuck an AK-47 stock is removed and a synthetic one is put in place...now they call it a MAK-90 which is completely legal...although, fully automatic out of the crate.
For fucks sake look at what New Jersey is doing...Then government is growing, distributing, and taxing their product. The patient and caregiver can't grow.
Check this link to the article!
When has Government regulation and oversight ever fixed, or solved, anything?
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Originally Posted by martyrprojekt
actually bro, your WRONG. to buy and/or sell any listed assault weapon in california is a felony. its also a felony to attempt to buy, and a felony to attempt to sell a listed assault weapon. i was a firearms dealer for 20 years and had a storefront shop, and believe it or not, im "the guy" that the california DOJ firearms division (not to mention butte county sheriffs deputies,oroville PD,gridley PD,chico PD and others) and their field agents called to clarify the laws. why?...because i spent literally YEARS studying the laws, just to keep my OWN ass out of the fire (plus i sold alot of guns to law enforcement) there are only very VERY limted circumstances an assault type weapon can be sold in california.
lets take the AR-15 as an example. as im sure you are aware, californias had an assault weapons law in place for quite some time making buttloads of "assault "style weapons illegal, including the AR-15,AK and several of their variants.a few years ago, the california supreme court ruled that under certain circumstances assault style weapons NOT listed specifically by make and model/manufactuer are indeed legal in california (under specific circumstances, and if they are not listed specifically on the ban list), but NOT any of the receivers/weapons listed on the california assault weapons list,and only under the following circumstances:
featured build/fixed magazine
under a featured build, you can have all of the "EVIL" features you like on a semi-automatic weapon,BUT it must have a non-removable magazine that can hold no more than 10 rounds. the magazine must be fixed and only removable by either disassembling the gun OR with the use of a tool. a bullet is considered a tool nder the law
featureless build
a featureless build would be any NON LISTED weapon/receiver build with NO evil features and a REMOVABLE magazine. this means you can build any "assault" style semi-automatic , as long as it has NO evil features , and as long as the specific receiver its built on isnt listed by name and make/manufacture on the assault weapos list.
MAK90 is a complete and udder NO-NO as it is listed by make and manufacture on the list and is COMPLETELY illegal under california law.any gun marked MAK90 is illegal. there are non-listed AK variants , such as the saiga that are legal, and also some pump style variants.
and YES, in california, the law DOES PROHIBIT selling any assault style weapon named on the california ban list. to sell an assault style/type weapon on the list within california is A CLASS A FELONY. while you can legally use and own high cap mags that would come with most assault weapons ( if you legally owned them BEFORE the high cap magazine ban went into effect) , but its illegal to give away,sell or distribute a high cap magazine in california.its even illegal (felony) to sell or attempt to sell a listed assault weapon, even if it REGISTERED with california DOJ. you can only dispose of it to either law enforcement or out of state. its even illegal to buy an assault style weapon out of state if you live within california.
you might check out Calguns.net, theres tons of info on the laws within california on guns and assault weapons. also, they have the actual list of illegal assault style weapons listed there.
my point was (and maybe i should have clarified myself if you want to split hairs) california has banned several assault style/type weapons. these same exact guns can be purchased not 75 miles from me by their states residents ( nevada and oregon) and owned legally, but yet here in california we cant buy,sell,transfer or give away ANY listed assault style weapons. why is it OK for them to be able to own them, but not us? that should be considered discrimination.
before buying an assault type weapon bro, best make sure you kknow the laws real good as if you dont, youd be looking at prison time.
honestly?....i dont believe they "never smoked pot"....HAHA!...statistics show that the majority of the population has at least TRIED marijuana at one time or another.Quote:
Originally Posted by martyrprojekt
also, recent polls in california show that the MAJORITY of adults HAVE smoked pot, and over 50% of adult who have smoked marijuana smoked within the last month ( i got that from CNN, i dont know how reliiable that is, ut at least CNN is on our side, they have been talking about it in the PRO context now since the bill came up)...were commin out!....guns blazin!
i think whats going to happen is californias going to pass the bill ( id literally bet money on it) and someone will try to repeal it, but that isnt ging to work. afterwards, i thi nk the government will turn a blind eye to it like they do alot of state level shit, and i also think that these anti-marijuana politicians will modify the penalties to much more severe levels and appy them to people who break the law in regards to the new law (I.E., do something stupid like give someone 10 years in prison for having 26ft square foot of canopy instead of 25 like thats listed in the bill)
HONESTLY, i dont think the law will affect us guys who are medical when it is legalized ,or even if it isnt.
the is the specific california assault weapons list of banned weapons. if you look under norinco, youll see the MAK90 is specifically listed:
California Department of Justice
AK Series Weapons
American Arms
AK-Y 39
AK-F 39
AK-C 47
AK-F 47
Arsenal
SLR (all)
SLG (all)
B-West
AK-47 (all)
Hesse Arms
Model 47 (all)
Wieger STG 940 Rifle
Inter Ordnance - Monroe, NC
RPK
M-97
AK-47 (all)
Kalashnikov USA
Hunter Rifle / Saiga
MAADI CO
* AK 47
* ARM
MISR (all)
MISTR (all)
Made in China
* 84S
* AKM
* 86S
* AKS
* 56
* AK
* 56S
* AK47
MARS
Pistol
Mitchell Arms, Inc.
M-90
AK-47 (all)
AK-47 Cal .308 (all)
M-76
RPK
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* Specifically named in the Robert-Roos Assault Weapons Control Act of 1989
and required to be registered by March 31, 1992
Norinco
* 86 S
86 (all)
* 84 S
81 S (all)
* 56
RPK Rifle
NHM 90, 90-2, 91 Sport
AK-47 (all)
MAK 90 <------------------------------------MAK90 SPECIFICALLY LISTED
* 56 S
Hunter Rifle
Ohio Ordnance Works (o.o.w.)
ROMAK 991
AK-74
Poly technologies
* AKS
* AK47
Valmet
Hunter Rifle
76 S
WUM
WUM (all)
AR-15 Series Weapons
American Spirit
USA Model
Armalite
AR 10 (all)
M15 (all)
Golden Eagle
Bushmaster
XM15 (all)
Colt
Law Enforcement (6920)
Match Target (all)
* AR-15 (all)
Sporter (all)
Dalphon
B.F.D.
DPMS
Panther (all)
Eagle Arms
M15 (all)
EA-15 A2 H-BAR
EA-15 E1
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* Specifically named in the Robert-Roos Assault Weapons Control Act of 1989
and required to be registered by March 31, 1992
Frankford Arsenal
AR-15 (all)
Hesse Arms
HAR 15A2 (all)
Knights
SR-15 (all)
SR-25 (all)
RAS (all)
Les Baer
Ultimate AR (all)
Olympic Arms
AR-15
Car-97
PCR (all)
Ordnance, Inc.
AR-15
Palmetto
SGA (all)
Professional Ordnance, Inc.
Carbon 15 Rifle
Carbon 15 Pistol
PWA
All Models
Rock River Arms, Inc.
Standard A-2
Car A2
Standard A-4 Flattop
Car A4 Flattop
NM A2 - DCM Legal
LE Tactical Carbine
Wilson Combat
AR-15
Total Records: 84
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ANY FIREARMS SPECIFICALLY LISTED ON THIS LIST IS ILLEGAL TO OWN, UNLESS YOU HAD IT REGISTERED WITH DOJ. IF YOU OWN ONE OF THESE LISTED GUNS IT IS A FELONY TO BUY,SELL,TRANSFER,GIVE AWAY OR DISPOSE OF WITHIN THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA.I CAN POST THE DIRECT NUMBER TO CALIFORNIA DOJ FIREARMS DIVISION IF YOU LIKE , IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THEM ON THE SUBJECT
The point is...obviously they keep changing the names to get around the rules. I can get one...and so can you. From Federally liscensed dealers on Shotgun news. The large clips are the hardest to get. Especially since the AK has been in production since 1947.
The point is that they will continue to change their names to be able to sell the product. I could care less how many years of experience you have. I can get an AK style weapon here in 30 minutes...if I wanted one. even if it was against federal law.
But, if california started allowing the sales and distribution of RPG's...you better beleive the ATF and FBI would have a joint task force bring down as many distributors as possible. They cant find them all...but that has never been the point...the point is to get their cash, get their guns, and get into jail(where the prison union gets its money).
Everywhere you go is big business with its hands in the cookie jar. Especially in Shasta County.
sure you can get one (a MAK90) anytime, ILLEGALLY..I CAN TOO!...hell, i could BUILD one if i had the parts in aout an hour. then, you chance it being a cop you buy it from, or the guy youve known for 15 years that you swear wouldnt say shit if he had a mouthful gets busted for something stupid and they start offering to let him walk if he gives them some info, and all o the sudden you have the feds, DOJ and BATFE knocking on your doors. i was referencing legality. if you can buy AK47s in the back of shotgun news, and they will ship them to a licensed dealer and the dealer will transfer them to you legally, more power to ya. id LOVE to have the name of that dealer, id order 3 cases of them. now, if they are shipping them directly to ya, be prepared to spend several years as cellies with that dealer in the penitentiary.
of course a person can buy those things illegally all day long on the street if you know where to get them, ut who is stupid enough to even screw around like that and face felony charges?....not me my friend.
my whole original point was that the feds see what they want to see, and things that will benefit them. all guns should be legal everywere. if "joe" in oregon can own a specific gun, and "ted" in nevada can own the same gun, and "bob" in washington can own it too, all legally purchased thru their gunshops, WE should be ale to own the same damn gun without issues!...
yea, your right on the big business end too....they all got their fingers in the batter!
The topic is legalizing cannabis not guns.
Besides anyone who smokes is usually non-violent cant imagine anyone smoking a blunt and shooting someone. More like raiding the fridge and hogging the remote.
ACE
This ain't politically correct and I would certainly never admit this in public but it's fun to shoot bottles and cans while a little stoned and after sipping a little moonshine or some such.
And yes I'm non-violent.
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Yes, bottles are inanimate objects which don't shoot back. Your point?Quote:
Originally Posted by aceofbase
back to legal cannabis before the thred got hijacked on a tangent.
all i know is i will grow and sell at the current price for the area i live in.i will use the allowed space what ever the state says i can use to its fullest,probably chronic strain.
and screw all this speculation going on in this thred.
if it does become legal, I will definitely start growing and would love to have a cannabis job :)
You are absolutely right! It's just puttin; the money somewhere else. Thieves I say!Quote:
Originally Posted by martyrprojekt
Didn??t gay marriage use to be legal in California? Yes? until the religious right came out with their purse string wide open, and their political hack ads blazing.
If you think we aren??t going to get a last minute smear campaign by the same groups that brought down gay marriage, you??ve smoked to much? put down the bong!
In the meantime stay legal, get your MMJ card, and follow the rules of S.B. 420.
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The discussion of guns or gun laws does not belong here.
So. If the legalization passes muster, there will be a good deal of restrictions on it's distribution and sales and that seems to be concern to growers?
I don't read anything in it that will change in any way manner or form medical marijuana. Currently CA breathes a sigh of relief from Obama's mandate to justice, but no grower is totally free of paranoia concerning the feds. Furthermore, I highly doubt many people with the capability and wherewithal to successfully grow MJ are being held back by the current environment of medical marijuana card accessibility. I see a large increase in demand.
What's of more concern from my perspective of a small grower is the overall national move towards acceptance of MJ. Am honest economic analysis of the situation would have to admit that some percentage of product produced in CA makes it's way to other states. As other states implement programs and laws that increase local populations abilities to grow supply will increase.
Until such time as the federal governments complete decriminalization there will always be a hefty enough risk involved to somewhat deter the casual potential grower.
Wouldn't it be great once pot is legalized in November, the government uses some of those newly acquired tax dollars to develop an accurate test for drivers who are under the influence of bud.Quote:
Originally Posted by martyrprojekt
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Originally Posted by C420online
What? Are you suggesting that the GOVERNMENT use tax money for a useful and constructive purpose? ARE YOU HIGH?
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