BURNED BY NEEM OIL? say it ain't so!! wtf?!

I AM SO WORRIED!!!!

so i have 4 plants all 30 days old, 1 master kush, 2 blue mystics and 1 unknown indica. they are on a 22-2 light schedule because it works best with my light schedule. i topped the plants about a few days ago. i water my plants every couple of days and make sure they are completely dry before watering again.

well, i saw signs of spider mites and quickly acted with a neem oil treatment. i used a 10-1 ration with pure 100% organic neem oil from Dyna-grow. i used warm water in a spray bottle, shook it up thoroughly and completely drenched the leaves and stem head to toe and rubbed it in, and put them in the darnkess right after. the next day i noticed brown and black spots forming on my leaves, as if it were burning? well i get home from work 7 hours later and it has worsened. i'm very worried and completely and udderly confused on what is going on here??



SET UP::

FRONT LEFT MASTER KUSH

FRONT RIGHT UNKNOWN INDICA

BACK LEFT BLUE MYSTIC

BACK RIGHT BLUE MYSTIC

• box-40 inches tall, 30 inches back, 25 inches wide.
  
• four 1845 lumen daylight resembling CFL bulbs.
  
• inside is lined with aluminum foil.
  
• back has 21 half inch holes in the back for ventilation from my little fan inside and 7 one and a half inch holes on the door where my big fan is blowing in fresh air.
  
• foxfarm organic potting soil.
  
• 3 gallon pots.

PLEASE ALL CONNOISSEURS HELP ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! will my babies be okay? =/

THESE ARE THE REST OF THE PICTURES OF THE SPOTS. CLOSE UPS OF ALL PLANTS.

THESE ARE THE LAST OF THE MANY PICTURES I TOOK OF THE TERRIBLE SPOTS =[

i wouldnt say it was the neem. if you didnt have the lights running when you sprayed them down. i dont think it was from the neem i would think it would have done alot more damage and i know some guys who really over did neem. i would say its from the bugs and the marks didnt show cuz you had got them early sure it was just mites. i could be wrong but im saaying its not the neem.:thumbsup:

If it was the neem oil I I would assume the spots would be more uniform. Its looks like its just spread out. Could've been the last of the spider mites no?

my guess was that the neem oil is eating away the part of the leaves that were infested with the mites?? it's worse on some leaves. new growth seems to be alright.. is there anything i should do? or should i just keep on keepin on and let my babies thrive?

The little white dots are from the spider mites where they have sucked out of a vein on the underside of the leaf. You found them quick, usually, I see the spots first.

No, it is not the Neem, tho you look like maybe you have a few light burns from a missed droplet of water.

The Neem will not kill the adult spider mites. It does prevent the hatchlings from eating and thus kills them off. I forget the life span of a mite, but only a few days, I think.

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Originally Posted by WashougalWonder

The little white dots are from the spider mites where they have sucked out of a vein on the underside of the leaf. You found them quick, usually, I see the spots first.

No, it is not the Neem, tho you look like maybe you have a few light burns from a missed droplet of water.

The Neem will not kill the adult spider mites. It does prevent the hatchlings from eating and thus kills them off. I forget the life span of a mite, but only a few days, I think.

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Neem oil will not hurt your plant. It can be absorbed into the plant, thus stopping leaf eating bugs like locusts. So not the Neem!

I read all about mites over the last few weeks while I too killed off an infestation. Neem oil doesn't actually kill mites! What it does is makes them idiots at ALL STAGES! Being a sap sucker however, makes getting the mites to ingest the stuff slightly difficult. But coating them in it works too!

Once inside the mite(or any plant eating bug). It works like a complex hormone. It goes straight to the nervous system then makes the little vamp to stupid to continue doing what it does.

Adults forget to eat, breed, lay eggs or build webs!(Adults have a limited lifespan. Most die after about 36 total days since hatching)

Immature, forget to eat, build webs or molt into adults.(immature molt into adults 8 days after molting from larva)

Larva fail to eat or molt to immature.(larva molt to immature 8 days after hatching)

Eggs fail to hatch (if some Neem can soak into the egg). (hatch time depends on room temp)

It DOES NOT kill them! It simply makes them to stupid and stoned to be an effective mite. Hence why it's suggested you retreat with Neem after a week. Because some eggs will likely hatch in that time. You want them to die before they reach breeding adult.

Female adult mites breed once, then can lay eggs for the remainder of their lives without a male. 20% of the eggs are male, 80% are female.

you guys are telling me things i already know. the neem is the cause, somehow it's eating away my plant, cause my plants had maybe one minuscule spot on one leaf maybe on each plant. now they're on their way to death it seems. the leaves are falling off as we speak. wtf, neem is the worst idea to ever do, DONT DO NEEM.

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Originally Posted by BongsAway420

you guys are telling me things i already know. the neem is the cause, somehow it's eating away my plant, cause my plants had maybe one minuscule spot on one leaf maybe on each plant. now they're on their way to death it seems. the leaves are falling off as we speak. wtf, neem is the worst idea to ever do, DONT DO NEEM.

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HA HA HA! Something else is killing your plants, NOT the neem oil. People have been soaking MJ plants in Neem for MANY MANY years without issues.

Unless of course you didn't read the instructions, and soaked your plants in PURE Neem oil. THAT will kill your plants. But that's not the neems fault.

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you guys are telling me things i already know. the neem is the cause, somehow it's eating away my plant, cause my plants had maybe one minuscule spot on one leaf maybe on each plant. now they're on their way to death it seems. the leaves are falling off as we speak. wtf, neem is the worst idea to ever do, DONT DO NEEM.

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Neem is not the problem. The problem is that you're not using it correctly. 10:1 mixture is way too much!! Read the directions on the bottle. I think it's 2 TBSP per gallon! Also, did you use an emulsifier (dish soap)? If not your neem treatments are as good as worthless...

I do not and do not advise dish soap as an emulsifier. It contains high levels of phosphates...unless you use a type without.

You still have to survive the damage from the live bugs, the originals. It could be too late.

Look to other reasons besides NEEM. I use a tablespoon in a quart and only spray the bottom of the leaves....too much will plug the stoma's.

Hello, I had a local friend that OD'ed his plants with Neem Oil and it looked like your plants. It cleared up within 10 days and we took his Neem sprayer away so he would not do it again.
I attached some images of munched on indoor plants.

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THESE ARE THE LAST OF THE MANY PICTURES I TOOK OF THE TERRIBLE SPOTS =[

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Originally Posted by BongsAway420

you guys are telling me things i already know. the neem is the cause, somehow it's eating away my plant, cause my plants had maybe one minuscule spot on one leaf maybe on each plant. now they're on their way to death it seems. the leaves are falling off as we speak. wtf, neem is the worst idea to ever do, DONT DO NEEM.

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i use neem oil every couple weeks up threw transition. I have never had a bug problem. I vote. DO NEEM OIL. I also use it to clean my instruments and pot covers. I have used it as soap on my body...
By the way 1 to 10 ratio is a lot. I use about 5 to 10 ml per liter of water. That might be why you have bad luck with it.

plants are goodski, neem isn't so bad afterall. i will update soon. they're thriving!!! teheheh

I am a new member. I have been fighting the spider mites for about a month, saw them 3 weeks into bloom. I grow indoors. I have had them under control but they still exist. I cut them down yesterday and still have about 4 of the plants with a small amount of webbing and of course the mites.

My son tells me that the mites will "leave" as the plant "dies". I don't know about that and trying to see if this is true from this boards experience. Also, I am not to sure what to use as a miticide this close to smoking time.

Any thoughts?

I use neem oil along with protek as an emulsifier. The protech could be substituted by a lemon scented dish detergent. I use it all the way through the vegging cycle. Neem oil destroys the reproductive cycle of the mite and therefore iradicating the colony over time. I use none during flowering.. I would not put any chemical on the buds this far in the game. You will not even want to smoke the weed. I believe in preventive medicine. You can trust in neem oil if used properly! Hope this was some help to ya!

Peace!
Ga Grown!

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Originally Posted by Vancefish

Neem oil will not hurt your plant. It can be absorbed into the plant, thus stopping leaf eating bugs like locusts. So not the Neem!

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mmmmm...Nothing like turning my Lemon Skunk into Lemon Neem. (or would that be Skunky Soap?) I'm sure it's an interesting residue of flavor, though.
As with most products, if used incorrectly neem can kill. Likely that's why there's directions on the bottle.
Always raise lights until dry, for any foliar application wheteher a tea or pesticide.
Always rinse residue, or whatever you sprayed can dry and can clog the leaf's respritory pores. (stoma)
Never spray hard enough to do leaf cell damage. A hard-fine spray can cut right through a leaf.
I wonder what the ph of neem is at the correct dilution? (and by extension...what's the ph of imroperly mixed neem?)

Washougal: highly unlikely dishsoap's phosphate concentration would be more than the phosphoric acid I use to adjust my water ph. Matter of fact, my plants love the PO4. (phDown) Regardless, it's water soluable and easily flushed. This is a once or twice treatment, not a weekly scheduled application...but it's nice to see ya bringing the stoma into the discussion. It's role is rather important. :thumbsup: