Seeking advice for first outdoor
Whats up again guys. Im here to do an outdoor this time because I am no longer able to do indoor for the moment.
I want to do outdoor because of the bigger yields, I want enough so that I dont have to grow again for a few years. Now I smoke about 2 ounces a month give or take a few grams, so I figure Ill want 3-4 pounds and this is my setup.
So I want to do a total of 15 plants in 3 different areas, 5 per area. I have checked out a section I think will be nice, its a 2km hike from the pullout off the highway. The spot has 3 large water sources, no one lives within 10km of it, there's zero quad trails, dirt bike trails, zero footprints, no tape/markings along the road or in the bush. I live in an area of canada that isnt over populated and is very quiet, meaning police arent scowering the bushes for HA's grow ops lol.
Im starting all plants indoors for the first 2 weeks of there life then they will be outside end of April until october rolls around and its time to chop. I have chosen some decent (imo) outdoor strains that hold good resistance to mold and tempature fluctuations as Im farther north.Im dealing with 21 hours of light in a day at some points in the summer, I boarder alaska but still canadian. The strains I chose are, Mandala Kalichakra, Bigbud, and Mandala 8 miles high. Im also going to throw a few of my Hashberry crosses outdoors and see how they maintain, they got over 5 1/2 feet on me indoor!
Is 5 plants in 1 area too much? They will be growen the entire season May-Oct.
How do you deal with animal security without drawing attention? please people be realistic, Im not going to go find wolfs urine. :)
How much should I expect to get off 1 plant?
I know this question effects the one above so, I was planning on going out twice a week to tend to things, feed the plant and keep sufficient watering. How often should you go out to your crops to check up and do your things?
When planting should I plant in about 2 x 2 x 3' premixed soil and then let the roots continue into the natural soil, or for maximum yield would you just premix the entire soil beds?
Last one, is 3 feet between planting enough room?
Thanks guys&gals! sorry for the long read. I uploaded a photo of the intended area, also that is not a road going to the lake on the far left I have double checked!
Appreciate any information given on security, please if you notice I havent asked an important question that needs to be asked, please fill in the blanks, Thanks again! :hippy:
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you sound like you know what you are doing. My question is how busy is this road/highway. remeber you need to get soil there and the plants as well. I know people who got busted by being sited along a road with various growing items. If you can have someone drop you off. seeing a parked car during summer month at the same place. always makes me wonder if they have a grow going on.
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Originally Posted by krisk1227
you sound like you know what you are doing. My question is how busy is this road/highway. remeber you need to get soil there and the plants as well. I know people who got busted by being sited along a road with various growing items. If you can have someone drop you off. seeing a parked car during summer month at the same place. always makes me wonder if they have a grow going on.
The road is semi buisy, about 1-2 cars every 3-4 minutes. I intended on parking on the side of the road looking like I am broke down just fixing something, at that time Ill haul all the soil right into the trees when no ones around to see. Once Im done that Ill bring the materials into the site, setup beds and return home. Ill bring the plants out the next day but this time Ill be parking down a road off of the highway nearby. I planned on taking different routes everytime I enter the site.
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Aloha.
How big is an "area"? Outdoor plants will fill all the space given. Why plant 5 when 3 (or less) will produce the same amount? Two KM,s is not that far. Sounds like you will be visiting way too often. How will you minimize your trail? In my outdoor grows I will put them in a line of 2 or three plants with at least 100 ft seperation between patches. The more scattered they are if a rip off gets into your stuff he may miss a few.
Hawaii has very rich soil so when I go out, I take plants. Time release ferts. Digging tool. And a single crushed up water container. You don't have to prepare the soil much. But the more sun the better the plant grows. If you want to cover your bases go out before planting, pick your spots, check all your sight lines and sunlight. Get to know your area.
Three ft between plants is ok. Ten ft is better. You may have to tie a monster down.
Security is up to you. I work under the rule, if they can find them I screwed up and do not make the same mistake twice. Your best defence is not to leave any trail. Watch the mud on your boots. Don't step on branches or fallen trees. If possible make a hole and go under things in your way. If there are thorny plants around use them.
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your own urine will stop some animals,also try "liquid fence",we dont get it in the uk but if you look at old threads in this forum,you should find prices and retailers,hope this helps!
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Thanks for the information busybee.
Also thank you Oldhaole for generating the nice quality of information, much appreciated.
I ended up getting some information out of someone I know who works constantly with maintaining lawns, irrigations, etc. I asked him when the frost is usually over up here in ths time of here, and he said definatly the first week of may, but he did say something that got me thinking. He said that we can get frost as early as last week in august at nights. So Im going to have to rethink my strain selection I guess, Does anyone know of any good frost resistant strains? Also, how many nights of frost would take to kill my crops? It still gets fairly warm in day. Thanks again guys.
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How do you deal with animal security without drawing attention? please people be realistic, Im not going to go find wolfs urine.
What kind of animals are foraging in that area?. Early in the season, deer, elk, caribou etc will obviously feed on young plants. I use a heavy gauge fishing line at both a 3' and 5' height. It discourages them, and they make a trail around the area. The line is almost unnoticeable and can be removed once they establish a different pattern and begin feeding on berries etc..
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Originally Posted by sunbiz1
How do you deal with animal security without drawing attention? please people be realistic, Im not going to go find wolfs urine.
What kind of animals are foraging in that area?. Early in the season, deer, elk, caribou etc will obviously feed on young plants. I use a heavy gauge fishing line at both a 3' and 5' height. It discourages them, and they make a trail around the area. The line is almost unnoticeable and can be removed once they establish a different pattern and begin feeding on berries etc..
Nice man yea Ill definatly do the fishing line technique, I dont know why I didnt think about fishing line, I fish all the time! lol. The animals I got around are caribou,elk,deer,moose,wolfs,coyotes, and black/grizzly bears.
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Originally Posted by Joel
Nice man yea Ill definatly do the fishing line technique, I dont know why I didnt think about fishing line, I fish all the time! lol. The animals I got around are caribou,elk,deer,moose,wolfs,coyotes, and black/grizzly bears.
You do some very nice indoor work!, but your challenge won't be from animals up there in the wilderness of Northern Canada. More likely your short growing season and soil conditions will be a bigger obstacle.
I wouldn't worry too much about anyone finding your locations in the middle nowhere(lol!), nobody will unless you create a path AND someone gets extremely lucky.
I made multiple trips to extend a harvest here in the lower 48, twice daily at sunset and right after sunrise after covering plants last Fall during frost/freeze. Not recommended, but I'm sort of the risk taking type.:D
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the main problem ya might have is the long daylight hours.
what we have here is by the time daylight has gone under 13 hours a day
we have strong winds and cold nights plants dont always make it
unless ya can go out every day cover and uncover them so they have 12/12
thats why most ppl in ireland use autoflowering
another one is have them in pots then move them to shaded area that they get high sun but not early morning and late evening
works for some strains
cause them to flower
hollands hope/hoop and early girl
ya could always go for a couple of low strains lowberry, lowskunk, blue barrel 47 and so on
best of luck i cant find the link but i do remeber seeing on here or some where of drying, cureing and storing all outside never have to bring it into ur own home
cant beat a bit of ur own green :jointsmile:
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Originally Posted by loststix
the main problem ya might have is the long daylight hours.
what we have here is by the time daylight has gone under 13 hours a day
we have strong winds and cold nights plants dont always make it
unless ya can go out every day cover and uncover them so they have 12/12
thats why most ppl in ireland use autoflowering
another one is have them in pots then move them to shaded area that they get high sun but not early morning and late evening
works for some strains
cause them to flower
hollands hope/hoop and early girl
ya could always go for a couple of low strains lowberry, lowskunk, blue barrel 47 and so on
best of luck i cant find the link but i do remeber seeing on here or some where of drying, cureing and storing all outside never have to bring it into ur own home
cant beat a bit of ur own green :jointsmile:
Yo man thanks for chiming in and giving me a hand. We have high light schedules, the most we get is 20 hours in July I think, and even then, the 4 hours isnt completely black. I will not be able to go out and cover/uncover them to flower, I was intending on letting them go until end of october, but frost will have definatly set in 1/2 through october. You suggest Hollands hope, and early girl for such conditions? I might buy a pack of lowryder auto's just to give em a go, and if they work well then I guess Ill do 100 of them lol. You're right homegrowen is the best.
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Originally Posted by sunbiz1
You do some very nice indoor work!, but your challenge won't be from animals up there in the wilderness of Northern Canada. More likely your short growing season and soil conditions will be a bigger obstacle.
I wouldn't worry too much about anyone finding your locations in the middle nowhere(lol!), nobody will unless you create a path AND someone gets extremely lucky.
I made multiple trips to extend a harvest here in the lower 48, twice daily at sunset and right after sunrise after covering plants last Fall during frost/freeze. Not recommended, but I'm sort of the risk taking type.:D
Thanks sunbiz. I intend on bringing in my own premixed soil to the site, after I dig out 2 feet where I intend to lay them and see if theres more soil down there, If there is, I will let them grow into it, if not Im diggin 5 5foot holes lol.
Yea Im pretty sure no one will find my crop as I am in the middle of nowhere. (Knocks on wood). Last year I remember our greens being frosted in late september, we get frost in august if we're having a bad summer.
So will the frost 100% kill my hashberry cross? She has purple genetics in her so I think she'd be able to deal with a tempature fluxuation, just not sure how the plant its self reacts to frost because Ive never done outdoor.
Thanks guys, appreciate you giving me all the info I need! :jointsmile: :hippy:
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Joel,
I mentioned in my thread about having 1 plant out in the woods last summer and one day when I went to check it, the field around the treeline where the plant was, wasn't mowed came back another time later on in flowering and the field was mowed, and there was a path where you could see the driver avoided hitting the plant. :)) Probably just got lucky on my part, but just so you know, some people have a heart and will not steal your crop.
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Frost will hurt the younger plants more then the older ones. So, by getting them started inside will help, also with the animals. Damn rabbit ate a small plant and chewed down another last year, so im using chicken wire this year. I have a nice place to grow which helps. Insects are something you better be ready for as there are more of them then big animals for sure. Last year all my plants served up a meal to bugs, but that doesnt mean it killed them, just scared them. Neim oil will help. Spelling is wrong on the niem oil? Someone will help me out here with it.
Good luck bro :weedpoke::rasta:
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I just scoped out a terrific area to have my outdoor grow.. probably 20 feet by 20 feet on somewhat of a hillside. Im extremely new to this whole process of growing outdoors, im learning more and more everyday just from reading all these posts on here!:thumbsup: The seeds i used were just out of some dank ass bud i had here over the winter. right now they are all approximately 3 or 4 inches tall, and i plan on keeping them inside for another week maybe?? also im not entirely sure on the number of plants i want to grow in the area. ive got plenty of little babies started.. (35 to be exact.. what doesnt go outside will be given to a buddy who grows inside.) Any suggestions? im really wanting to get atleast 2 pounds to keep me happy for the year.. or atleast half a year :stoned: but continue posting in the thread and ill keep following. all help is greatly appreciated!!!!
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Originally Posted by Joel
Yo man thanks for chiming in and giving me a hand. We have high light schedules, the most we get is 20 hours in July I think, and even then, the 4 hours isnt completely black. I will not be able to go out and cover/uncover them to flower, I was intending on letting them go until end of october, but frost will have definatly set in 1/2 through october. You suggest Hollands hope, and early girl for such conditions? I might buy a pack of lowryder auto's just to give em a go, and if they work well then I guess Ill do 100 of them lol. You're right homegrowen is the best.
Thanks sunbiz. I intend on bringing in my own premixed soil to the site, after I dig out 2 feet where I intend to lay them and see if theres more soil down there, If there is, I will let them grow into it, if not Im diggin 5 5foot holes lol.
Yea Im pretty sure no one will find my crop as I am in the middle of nowhere. (Knocks on wood). Last year I remember our greens being frosted in late september, we get frost in august if we're having a bad summer.
So will the frost 100% kill my hashberry cross? She has purple genetics in her so I think she'd be able to deal with a tempature fluxuation, just not sure how the plant its self reacts to frost because Ive never done outdoor.
Thanks guys, appreciate you giving me all the info I need! :jointsmile: :hippy:
I'll let you know on the frost issue after we have one tonight here. I did an intentional experiment to see if 2 different varieties can survive by transplanting outdoors in 80 degree weather...tonight will be down in the 20's.
If I lose them, no biggie...I have lots.:thumbsup:
Also, I abandoned the fishing line technique in favor of using fallen tree limbs. Fishing line stands out like a sore thumb in the sunlight. It's effective, but risky if any people traffic come through...particularly hunters with scopes. Besides, fishing line isn't going to stop a 1,200 Lb. Caribou. You'll need a sturdier barrier anyways.
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Originally Posted by Joel
Nice man yea Ill definatly do the fishing line technique, I dont know why I didnt think about fishing line, I fish all the time! lol. The animals I got around are caribou,elk,deer,moose,wolfs,coyotes, and black/grizzly bears.
thats y i love england all i gotta deal with is slugs, snail and deer, but theres fuuuuck loads of deer where i live
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Originally Posted by JungleSuperstar
thats y i love england all i gotta deal with is slugs, snail and deer, but theres fuuuuck loads of deer where i live
In Hawaii all we have are rats and mice. We have deer but they are the size of a Great Dane.
Another thing is that deer are considered exotic and open to removal (hunting)24/7. So I would love to have one come on to my property. It would feed us for a couple of weeks. :D
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Originally Posted by JungleSuperstar
thats y i love england all i gotta deal with is slugs, snail and deer, but theres fuuuuck loads of deer where i live
Messina Wildlife Deer Stopper Repellent Ready-to-Use Spray - DSU016X at The Home Depot
The Organic Materials Review Institute (OMRI) lists Deer Stopper for use by organic growers and may be used on fruits and vegetables.
Just a thought.
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Originally Posted by sunbiz1
nice:thumbsup: might just mark my territory ;)see how they like that, and get my dogs to aswell that should keep em all at bay
