Dems Want to Pass Obamacare Without a Vote

House may try to pass Senate health-care bill without voting on it

Talk about a disgrace.....these pieces of shit are so desperate its funny...and everyone including honest libs know it...took less than a year for this completely unprepared and inexpierienced Obama to loose all support except for his welfare baby base.

and here is a highlight of the BILLIONS of $$$$$$$$$$ the drug Industry is spending to pass Obamacare...hmmmmmmmmmmm.....that couldnt be because scripts are gonna skyrocket along with EVERYONES premiums right?

POLITICO Pulse - POLITICO.com

When and if welfare healthcare for all passes.....it's gonna be lodged into the court system for YEARS AND YEARS and eventually the Supreme Court.

Good, I'm tired of having to pay 100 bucks just to for a doctor to say "everything looks good". Or feeling like I am gonna die in pain but I can't call the ambulance or even go to emergency room because it'll cost me 1000 bucks just to get through the door. The debt this country is building yes it is uncontrollable however I pay ALOT of all sorts of different taxes and with all the shit that is messed up in this country. The least the country could do for the people is make healthcare available. Hell isn't this website a result of healthcare needing to be reformed. People on here rely on marijuana just because of effects of there medications as well as the prices that they pay for those pills.

Everyones got there points in this argument I just fell like the US needs to really just start taking care of the people that make this country great. (and unfortunatly the people that don't make it great aswell):thumbsup:
Spread peace hope and love :hippy:

"the least this country could do is provide healthcare????????" Is that a joke? You dont like your personal DR......GET ANOTHER ONE LIKE EVERYONE ELSE....stop trying to fuck everyones shit up cause people are either to lazy to do shit for themselves or bums stuck on the Governments titty....like their kids are gonna be and their parents were. Its pathetic.

The least this country could do......good god. Perhaps you should culture yourselves and actually travel to these lands where the govt. does everything and see if you enjoy the standard of living there......cause its NOT as good as we got it here I promise ya that. A bunch of spoiled brats here in the states, could never make it in a tough country. Poor babies. I take care of my family....I cant afford something basic like fucking insurance guess what I do....I know its revolutionary.....I GET ANOTHER JOB or pick up more hours at my current one. Amazing huh??

Just crossing wires....Dem Whip (he or she that counts the votes) says vote could slip past Easter....shaky by GREAT news....they cant find the votes...time for more bribery.

Clyburn says health vote could push past Easter holiday - The Hill's Blog Briefing Room

and here is a white house official saying they expect the "jobless rate" to remain high for a long time. I'm sure that has nothing to do with his leftist domestic agenda though....nothing at all. America is not buying what Obama is selling anymore. Better change course real fast or Obama will be a lame duck president in 7 and a half months.

Obama Aides See Jobless Rate Elevated for ââ?¬Ë?Extended Periodââ?¬â?¢ - Bloomberg.com

I don't like the possability of anything being passed without a vote. Just seems to go against everything our forefathers worked for.

@Islandborn;

Not only do I dislike passing bills without a vote, I also dislike lumping people into groups. One can not say all the people without health insurance don't have it because of some fault they have. It is not accurate to say everyone who gets public assistance is a leech.

Take myself for instance. I worked in the aircraft industry for 30 years. Then I became very unstable. The instability was in my mind and body. It affected my job in undiserable ways. After a while I became poor and hopeless. Why did this happen to me? Was it my fault? Maybe.

I was found to have hepatitis C. Hepatitis C not only affects the liver, but it also affects the brain too. Lucky for me I am a veteran. I can go the VA hosptile and get treated for this free.

Now there is nothing I want more than to get cured and back to work on aircraft. Here is the problem. The treatment for HCV will be 48 weeks. Few people who under go HCV treatment tolerate the side effects well enough to be a stable employee at any job. So what am I to do in the mean time?

This is what I do. I collect food stamps. I applied for SSD/SSI and state assastance. I do this with the goal of getting cured and back to work. Do I have shame about collecting help from the government? The answer to that is a great big no. I have paid taxes all my life. Those taxes have been used to help others and to do other things the government thinks needs done. Now That I need help, I pretty much believe I deserve it.

Sure there are people who use the system for less than honorable things. Things like getting out of working. There are also people who are genuine. I would wager most of them are the latter.

Shoud we cut it all out because of a few bad seeds? I think not. All the people of the United States, and the world for that matter, are our brothers and sisters. If any one of them need help, they should have it.

Islandborn, I am glad you have it going for you. I pray you never have to depend on others. Please don't paint yourself into a corner with speech. No one know what tomorrow brings. For you I hope your tomorrows are all good, but remember, nothing in life is a sure thing. ;)

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Originally Posted by pepurr

I don't like the possability of anything being passed without a vote. Just seems to go against everything our forefathers worked for.

@Islandborn;

Not only do I dislike passing bills without a vote, I also dislike lumping people into groups. One can not say all the people without health insurance don't have it because of some fault they have. It is not accurate to say everyone who gets public assistance is a leech.

Take myself for instance. I worked in the aircraft industry for 30 years. Then I became very unstable. The instability was in my mind and body. It affected my job in undiserable ways. After a while I became poor and hopeless. Why did this happen to me? Was it my fault? Maybe.

I was found to have hepatitis C. Hepatitis C not only affects the liver, but it also affects the brain too. Lucky for me I am a veteran. I can go the VA hosptile and get treated for this free.

Now there is nothing I want more than to get cured and back to work on aircraft. Here is the problem. The treatment for HCV will be 48 weeks. Few people who under go HCV treatment tolerate the side effects well enough to be a stable employee at any job. So what am I to do in the mean time?

This is what I do. I collect food stamps. I applied for SSD/SSI and state assastance. I do this with the goal of getting cured and back to work. Do I have shame about collecting help from the government? The answer to that is a great big no. I have paid taxes all my life. Those taxes have been used to help others and to do other things the government thinks needs done. Now That I need help, I pretty much believe I deserve it.

Sure there are people who use the system for less than honorable things. Things like getting out of working. There are also people who are genuine. I would wager most of them are the latter.

Shoud we cut it all out because of a few bad seeds? I think not. All the people of the United States, and the world for that matter, are our brothers and sisters. If any one of them need help, they should have it.

Islandborn, I am glad you have it going for you. I pray you never have to depend on others. Please don't paint yourself into a corner with speech. No one know what tomorrow brings. For you I hope your tomorrows are all good, but remember, nothing in life is a sure thing. ;)

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So keep working then and get me insurance! Not to be an ass about it but yoooouurr views is the reason why everyones out for themselves. Not like I have to explain my self, but me and my. Family are from dominican republic so trust me I know what corrupt gov is as well as having to keep paid security on premises just for me and my fam to get a nights rest. This is the internet so I don't. Take things personal but I got a job, a good one, and this country is better then the one that I was in yes, but does that mean that nothing needs to be corrected? To each his own

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Originally Posted by Islandborn

Perhaps you should culture yourselves and actually travel to these lands where the govt. does everything and see if you enjoy the standard of living there......cause its NOT as good as we got it here I promise ya that.

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Strong words and big promises, which of these countries have you visited?

I live in Finland, been to Sweden many times, social healthcare here, and a much nicer place to live than in the states (where I have also lived a long time)... IMO.

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Originally Posted by bigtopsfinn

Strong words and big promises, which of these countries have you visited?

I live in Finland, been to Sweden many times, social healthcare here, and a much nicer place to live than in the states (where I have also lived a long time)... IMO.

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doesn't count, both countries have a higher standard of living than us.. ohh wait, hmmm..

How many people live in those powerhouse nations compared to the States? Maybe 5 % if that?

I lived in Holland with my dads family in 2000 for 2 years......traveled all over easter and western europe following parties...living outta hostels and with other party goers.... Saw Oakenfold in Oslo and chilled in Sweden getting shit cocked for like a week before catching a train home. Nothing special....great scenery but by size and population just as many bums and degenerates running around looking for scraps. And where will all these magical new doctors come from to cover an extra 30 million people without causeing waits and rationing as promised by Obama? It aint gonna happen.....Obama's in a corner now...and he has nobody to blame except his base of welfare babies and free loaders. Let em attempt to pass this hunk of crap without a vote.....and I garauntee Obama is finished.

Norway and Sweden? That was funny.

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Originally Posted by Islandborn

people are either to lazy to do shit for themselves or bums stuck on the Governments titty....like their kids are gonna be and their parents were.

bums and degenerates running around looking for scraps.

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I agree about Obama's health plan being messed up. The thing that bothers me about this thread is words like the ones quoted above. Good God man, is that the way you feel about all homeless people? About all people who are poor? Like they are so much vermin that the world would be better off without.

I'm sorry for going off topic, but it really bothers me when man has such disdain for man. I couldn't sleep well tonight if I didn't express my displeasure. And for what reason? Just because they are poor. Because they aren't in the same social class as them. It is thoughts like that keep people down.

If people who have would take the time to talk to these people, they would find there are a lot of good people out there who help one another even when it hurts. They just don't have a lot of money for one reason or the other. The reasons are as varied as the people who have them.

I read something long ago that really makes sense to me. "God makes kings out of paupers, and paupers out of kings". When one man thinks he is better than another because of their wealth, they show how poor they are in spirit.

Wouldn't it serve your peace of mind better to lift the less fortunate up, rather than grind them into the dust.

I'm not trying to be mean to you, I only want peace and for people to care about one another.

Not at all......i lived out of a stolen Uhaul truck in chicago and shot heroin for a year...and then I decided to change....moved home and kicked the habit....GOT A JOB...straightened MY OWN life out with NO help. Then slowly worked my own way through college..I take care of myself and my family and you should to.

Another funny story...posted just today on the PowerlineBlog is a story by Swedish Economic students giving the HISTORY lessons on sweden....maybe all you administration progressives (progressing towards what exactly) should watch it since Obamao and his followers keep blabbing about Sweden this and that.
Power Line presentation is right on top for all to watch.

Funny....it seems the libs are the last ones to realize that the ideology they are trying to impose ( or mandate) has been THOROUGHLY discredited years and years ago. Did the dumbing down of Harvard remove international History & economics classes Obamao?




Is that the socialist M.O......find others with reasonable and educated opinions different than yours....and then either attempt to label them as dumb by their geographic location, racist (gypski), or just to insensitive to the downtroddens plight? To me......that sounds like I have

Annnnnnnnnnnnd from the NEW ENGLAND Journal of Medicine this morning with a DOCTORS poll about the passage of welfare healthcare or Obamacare

Physician Survey: Health Reform�s Potential Impact on Physician Supply and Quality of Medical Care

Does that read 46% of Dr.s will consider leaving the profession?? Again....please explain where all these new Dr.s will be coming from so that waiting and rationing doesnt take effect? The Democrats have totally LOST the debate and public opinion battle...they cant even get their own party to vote for it????? They dont need republican help for anything or to pass anything.....they better KILL THE BILL or Obama will be a lame duck president in 7 months who cant do anything.

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Originally Posted by Islandborn

Not at all......i lived out of a stolen Uhaul truck in chicago and shot heroin for a year...and then I decided to change....moved home and kicked the habit....GOT A JOB...straightened MY OWN life out with NO help. Then slowly worked my own way through college..I take care of myself and my family and you should to.

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Was that a home you owned, or was it your parents house? Maybe a friend in your home town. Perhaps you had enough money to rent a place.

When you kicked the habit, did you go cold turkey? (I've seen cold turkey, and it isn't pretty. In fact, it can kill you.) Perhaps you had enough money to pay for treatment to kick.

If you did all that, with absolutely no help of any kind, you are my hero.

Did you know you have two families? One of them is close to you. The other is the rest of the human race.


No man is an island. We all need each other. :hippy:

Oh well, people see what they want to see... I lived in Holland for a year also, loved it, trying to move back there.

Obviously if you hang out in the 'hostels' and big cities you'll see all kinds of people. But that's no way to judge a whole country! BTW I never mentioned anything about Norway...

I'm happy here, hope you're happy there (but by the sound of it, seems you are quite displeased)

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Originally Posted by pepurr

Was that a home you owned, or was it your parents house? Maybe a friend in your home town. Perhaps you had enough money to rent a place.

When you kicked the habit, did you go cold turkey? (I've seen cold turkey, and it isn't pretty. In fact, it can kill you.) Perhaps you had enough money to pay for treatment to kick.

If you did all that, with absolutely no help of any kind, you are my hero.

Did you know you have two families? One of them is close to you. The other is the rest of the human race.


No man is an island. We all need each other. :hippy:

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Kicked the heroin cold turkey......went to a friends house in Austin to get clean....worst flu lasting 2 weeks to get off. Heroin is identicle to Oxy in getting clean and easier than script drugs like xanax and vicoden which take months to kick physically and psychologically.

I loved Holland.....thought it was nice....certainly wouldn't raise my son there...but will take him there in Dec. to visit his family...then take the ferry from the Hook of Holland to Harwich to see my mother side of the family.

Im quite content with my life here...made it ya know...came out on top after a CRAZY YOUTH....abusive stepfathers, drug addiction, fathers death, being sent away when I was 12 to a military school in Missouri..Kemper. And I did it all by myself....never took welfare or ANY type of assistance to come out on top.....cause Im a MAN. Not a pee-on or freeloader. People make their own way in this country...welfare programs do nothing but KEEP the poor POOR....where I come from, its a fucking badge of courage to make your own way without any sorry ass welfare program...cause its the HONORABLE thing to do...something in shortage in America.:pimp:

Im against Obama (who I shamefully voted for) and his LEFT WING LURCH since taking office when he ran his campaign as a TOTALLY different person...anyone who reads the media in 2010 knows that. Im against the govt. takeover of healthcare cause they dont do anything correctly...nothing. And the military governs itself. Social Security wasnt passed the way these thieves are doing it....neither was Medicare (which are both in serious financial trouble already)....no idiot govt. worker is gonna tell me or anyone else what we can eat or how much salt Im gonna use. They arent gonna tell me what temperature to set my house on or what kind of ar Im gonna drive.

This entire healthcare bill is the longest suicide note in history

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Kicked the heroin cold turkey......went to a friends house in Austin to get clean....

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So you did get help from someone. It's ok to seek help when we need it. After all, we are fallible human beings, and sometimes even the best of us need help. You got to get that help where you find it.

Sure, there are a lot of people who milk the system. Any time there is any kind of system in place, people will try to exploit it for selfish gains.

One time I got laid off a job, so I applied for food stamps and unemployment to keep me afloat while I looked for other work. After about 1.5 months I found a good job. I didn't need the food stamps any more, so I called them and told them to stop sending them. The next month the food stamps arrived any way. It took 4 months of sending them back and letters and phone calls to get them to stop sending them.

I guess the people working at the food stamp office have a vested interest in having people on food stamps.

The point is, when people need help, people should get it. The people who get the help should try their best to once again become self sufficient, if they are physically and/or mentally able.

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This entire healthcare bill is the longest suicide note in history

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Well said! That's a nice hook, would have loved to hear that come out of one of the representatives mouths while I was watching that crap on TV yesterday!

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Originally Posted by EvilCartman

Well said! That's a nice hook, would have loved to hear that come out of one of the representatives mouths while I was watching that crap on TV yesterday!

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surprised ya didn't hear it, it has been said over and over and over lol, kind of like those daily show segments where they show 20 reporters saying the same sentence, yeah this is one of those lol :D

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Originally Posted by RedLocks

surprised ya didn't hear it, it has been said over and over and over lol, kind of like those daily show segments where they show 20 reporters saying the same sentence, yeah this is one of those lol :D

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Haha, I musta been in the bathroom! The words stuck in my brain from yesterday... "Cornhusker Kick-back". :D

today Idahoe and 37 other states are creating laws to sue the Fed over the ridiculous "slaughter solution" if they choose to skip a traditional vote....that they cant get their OWN PARTY to sign this bill publicly. How fucking embarassing. Violence is not far off..

The Associated Press: Idaho first to sign law aimed at health care plan

In the end.......this is a battle between Americans who believe in SELF-RELIANCE....and those who believe and live in Govt. Assistance for EVERYTHING. ANYONE who pays attention to politics knows they are fucked if they try that shady ass cowards approach.....up or down vote on the House floor with cameras so the public can see who exactly it is. If not.....get ready cause its on.

mmmmmmmmhmmmmm......licking my chops. Barbara Boxer not doing well in California re-election....calling in " the one" transformative figure to bribe and lie her back to life. Man.....they aren't safe anywhere anymore....wonder why?

President Obama to raise money for Barbara Boxer | PolitiCal | Los Angeles Times

funny side note.....only in California & New York is it still considered a plus to bring Obama in to campaign for you.....

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mmmmmmmmhmmmmm......licking my chops. Barbara Boxer not doing well in California re-election....calling in " the one" transformative figure to bribe and lie her back to life. Man.....they aren't safe anywhere anymore....wonder why?

President Obama to raise money for Barbara Boxer | PolitiCal | Los Angeles Times

funny side note.....only in California & New York is it still considered a plus to bring Obama in to campaign for you.....

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Only two states that matter. :D
you know population/economy wise :jointsmile:

not for long....their both broke as shit and losing residents and buisness faster than New Jersey. Isn't Gary Coleman Govenor out there now. Of course they want Obama....they need more money to cover their fiscal stupidity off the Government titty. Impressive.

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Just another good example of why they don't need the American people telling Government what to do.

This Government Knows what's best for us so the American people should just shut up and bend over and take the health care EXAM.

If they can shove it up your ass, Lord knows where else they can shove it.
Anywhere they want to.

You know this whole FREEDOM thing is making my ASS hurt.

That was a good post Loc.....funny stuff........my guess is that they will bribe and offer jobs to get over the top vote wise.....the CBO score is the same as it was with the previous 3 bills they looked at.....a month later they will say they misread it and it adds trillions more than previously forecasted.....the Dems no doubt committ political suicide with this one and win or lose....Obama loses with this move this quickly into his presidency.

Just released today was the Rasmussen poll (who was the lefts darling poll during the campaign) showing Obama now dead even with W. Bush when he LEFT office......ouch....nice work Barak.

http://volokh.com/2010/03/19/rasmuss...e-left-office/

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:D i have no idea what this thread is about but that character is cracking me up. :jointsmile:

I'm am listening the President right now, . . . "the insurance co's have already weeded out the ones they don't want". :stoned: . . . "we pay for this unlike previous congresses." :rastasmoke: I gotta start listening to him more often he really can give a hellofa speech.

how does obama "lose" though? Hes already president, from day 1 he entered office I knew he wasn't going to be able to do shit for the spiral that the country was already going down. It seems like alot of people had high hopes for him and are actually disappointed:wtf: Believe political promises and get burned

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Originally Posted by jtsik330

... Believe political promises and get burned

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yep. that's why I ALWAYS assume they are full of sh*t, and have never been disappointed. :jointsmile:

mm.. Politricks

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Originally Posted by boaz

:D i have no idea what this thread is about but ...

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from brother RedLocks, hope you don't mind me sharing it, but this is too funny not to share. :jointsmile:

"somone's pet ferret chewed into a kilo of coke, that's what this thread is about!"

Thank you, for that clarification. :D please continue, don't mind me.

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from brother RedLocks, hope you don't mind me sharing it, but this is too funny not to share. :jointsmile:

"somone's pet ferret chewed into a kilo of coke, that's what this thread is about!"

Thank you, for that clarification. :D please continue, don't mind me.

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hahaha