Anyone watched this yet? What do you think about this group?
YouTube - 911 Loose Change (full-length)
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Anyone watched this yet? What do you think about this group?
YouTube - 911 Loose Change (full-length)
Haven't watched this particular one but have watched a lot of the others. There is a core truth to all of them that our government has lied to us and is with holding information. Until we actually have a transparent government we will never have the answers. Hell we don't even know who killed Kennedy, the evidence is still sealed and a lot of it is said to be missing. Even his brain is said to be missing now.
Quote, "Tuesday March 2nd 2010 - In the Washington Times, in an article published in "Inside the Beltway - Explosive News" - Jennifer Harper writes about the enigmas still surrounding the 'inside job' of 9/11:
"February 22, 2010 - A lingering technical question about the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks still haunts some, and it has political implications: How did 200,000 tons of steel disintegrate and drop in 11 seconds? A thousand architects and engineers want to know, and are calling on Congress to order a new investigation into the destruction of the Twin Towers and Building 7 at the World Trade Center.
"In order to bring down this kind of mass in such a short period of time, the material must have been artificially, exploded outwards," says Richard Gage, a San Francisco architect and founder of the nonprofit Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth.
Mr. Gage, who is a member of the American Institute of Architects, managed to persuade more than 1,000 of his peers to sign a new petition requesting a formal inquiry.
"The official Federal Emergency Management [Agency] and National Institute of Standards and Technology reports provide insufficient, contradictory and fraudulent accounts of the circumstances of the towers' destruction. We are therefore calling for a grand jury investigation of NIST officials," Mr. Gage adds.
The technical issues surrounding the collapse of the towers has prompted years of debate, rebuttal and ridicule.
He is particularly disturbed by Building 7, a 47-story skyscraper, which was not hit by an aircraft, yet came down in "pure free-fall acceleration."
He also says that more than 100 first-responders reported explosions and flashes as the towers were falling and cited evidence of "multi-ton steel sections ejected laterally 600 ft. at 60 mph" and the "mid-air pulverization of 90,000 tons of concrete & metal decking."
There is also evidence of "advanced explosive nano-thermitic composite material found in the World Trade Center dust," Mr. Gage says. The group's petition at www. ae911truth.org is already on its way to members of Congress.
"Government officials will be notified that 'Misprision of Treason,' U.S. Code 18 (Sec. 2382), is a serious federal offense, which requires those with evidence of treason to act," Mr. Gage says. "The implications are enormous and may have profound impact on the forthcoming Khalid Shaikh Mohammed trial."
Stay tuned for more in this space." - [and end]
Source: Washington Times - Url.: Inside the Beltway - Washington Times
9/11 Missing Links is a more extensive video than the likes of "Loose Change."
Which revision to the Loose Change docu-bullshit are you refering? They've re-done it a few times due to inaccuracies and moronic suppositions later debunked.
What are the physics of squeezing an accordian? (the blowing-out of mid and lower-story windows)
How does the foam fire-retardant protect the steel structure, when blasted-off by a 500 mph missle and the resultant explosion of fuel? What did that explosion do to the integrety of the structure? Remember...the fire didn't need to get hot enough to melt the steel, but just hot enough to bend it beyond load-bearing limits.
Ever seen a concrete block explode? I have. The gasses inside expand tremendously when subjected to fire.
If trying to save large building "A" do you even give a crap about small building "B", which was set alite by building "A" debris, which in turn lit the emergency back-up generator and it's fuel supply? Especially in the light of the many firefighters lost in building "A"?
Those that misunderstand physics should remain on the sidelines till they do understand.
9/11 "truthers" are kinda like the nazi holocaust deniers. Ignoring the facts to suit their misunderstanding of the situation. :jointsmile:
"truthers"...now that's funny.
Is this referring to WTC 7 (Building "B")?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rusty Trichome
Do you really think that the Federal Government gives a shit about 95% of the American people, other than to perpetuate control through fear, consumerism and debt?
I'm not a physicist, but maybe you can explain the nano-thermite thing to me, and how it was found everywhere, by an independent, Danish research team. Are the Dane's now terrorists, or just laughable truthers?
There are just too many peculiar coincidences surrounding the whole thing for me (and obviously many others) to believe what the U.S. government is telling us.
Al-qaeda was CIA funded in the past.
The highjackers were trained on U.S. soil.
The Patriot Act was written before the attacks.
The military running a drill on the exact same scenario, during the attacks.
How about the fact that WTC 1 & 2 became fully insured, specifically for acts of terrorism, just months before the attacks? The owner made a pretty penny on that, especially when taking into consideration the necessary renovations needed to the buildings, rising maintenance costs and fewer leases.
Many more coincidences that just don't add up for me...
But hey, believe what you want to believe. Personally I don't think there's anything funny about thousands of people losing their lives, whether it was in those buildings or the wars they set off. I also don't think it's funny that a select few profited greatly from all these events and the wars. I do think that until there is a consensus about what happened, people should continue to ask questions.
If the government has been lying to you about cannabis for all these years, it's very likely that they are lying about a lot of other things. :twocents:
Lets not forget that people are still dieing because of what happend in the WTC. We are alllll in trouble:( just my $.02)
Yup...your government is out to get you. Better hide under a bed and not use any brainpower to check the facts yourself, or ponder validity of source info, or wondering how it could make sense. One can attempt to point fingers at a variety of sources but beyond the intelligence ineptitude and the liberal ego acting for years like we are invulnerable to radicals, the fault lies with the muslim extremists.
Funny in all these conspiracy theories nobody had mentioned the State Dept or UN. Hmmm...I'll bet they set us up. Yeah...that's the ticket...
So using a common weapon as an example...(truck bomb at the Federal Building in OK) you are implying diesel gas and ammonium nitrate traces deduct explosives? You certain you can't have the same two in a given vicinity without illicit intent? (what's a farm tractor run on, and what could it be spreading as a good source of nitrogen?)
What kinds of businesses would have chemicals that when mixed might indicate foul-play? What with jet fuels and lubricants, back-up diesel genetator fuel, perhaps a maintenance storage room or two on each floor, money laundry facilities...I'm sure you could find traces of many combustables.
Not trusting your government is a personal choice, as is how you process information.
Were the USA encouraging the freaks to strike, why pass the Patriot Act at all? Especially pre 9-11. If you want us to be hit, and we're in on it...why bother monitor the bad guys through legislation? A simple phone call is all that's necessary to co-ordinate.
Occams razor states in summary that usually the simplest answer is likely the right answer The muslim freaks got lucky due to our lackadasical immigration and foreign policies.
In the video 911 Eyewitness, one can clearly see a floor explodeBEFORE the debris fall from above covers it up. Seeing is believing in my book. Don't believe me, watch the video. You will also see survivors still on the upper floors before they collapse. :thumbsup:
911 Eyewitness - Help find the Truth!
Wasn't "loose change" created by four 20 year old kids in his moms basement apartment?
Here is a video showing these creators and some background so all these folks see who is being talked about in reality
YouTube - 9/11 Truthers: Meet the Creators of "Loose Change"
Wow.....some real educated folks.....or kooks if you prefer.
9/11 Truthers......meet your leaders.
I tend to look at the bigger picture in this case, which is that there wouldn't be Muslim extremists if it weren't for U.S. foreign policy, run by, in my opinion, Christian extremists (Early Christians were pacifists). I don't think people hate America because it's a 'free' country.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rusty Trichome
I thought nano-thermite could only be produced by nano-technology? Can it be proven that nano-thermite is a product of burning building falling down on a bunch of random chemicals?Quote:
So using a common weapon as an example...(truck bomb at the Federal Building in OK) you are implying diesel gas and ammonium nitrate traces deduct explosives? You certain you can't have the same two in a given vicinity without illicit intent? (what's a farm tractor run on, and what could it be spreading as a good source of nitrogen?)
What kinds of businesses would have chemicals that when mixed might indicate foul-play? What with jet fuels and lubricants, back-up diesel genetator fuel, perhaps a maintenance storage room or two on each floor, money laundry facilities...I'm sure you could find traces of many combustables.
Again, my view of U.S. foreign policy is that they do encourage extremism. Passing The Patriot Act, illegal wiretapping, taking away the rights of citizens, just adds to the conspiracy. This again goes back to the control thing.Quote:
Were the USA encouraging the freaks to strike, why pass the Patriot Act at all? Especially pre 9-11.
Phone calls were made, and people were gagged. There were whistle-blowers, and you can see their testimonies in front of hearings.Quote:
If you want us to be hit, and we're in on it...why bother monitor the bad guys through legislation? A simple phone call is all that's necessary to co-ordinate.
You make good points, but I don't think either of us qualified to prove or disprove all of the claims made by both sides. So for now, I'm just sitting on the sidelines, but still asking questions :)
How is this a credible source of information? Truthers are said to watch too many YouTube vids, now they are being used against them?Quote:
Originally Posted by Islandborn
Einstein flunked high school. Heh, these guys are no Einsteins, but really... they don't have all the answers either.
I agree....loose change was a joke.
And a small fraction of the muslim community were radical islamo nutjobs LONG before the United States even existed....like thousands of years before the U.S. existed. Facts are Facts.:thumbsup:
And they were carrying out massive terrorist attacks on far away foreign lands also? Islam is only 1300 years old.Quote:
Originally Posted by Islandborn
But the fire was only contained in the upper stories, why would the entire structure below it 'collapse' when it has been successfully bearing the entire weight of the towers for decades?Quote:
Remember...the fire didn't need to get hot enough to melt the steel, but just hot enough to bend it beyond load-bearing limits.
Yes, but what about the steel core of the building, why did that 'explode' into a million pieces? By the way are you a physicist, structural engineer or architect?Quote:
Ever seen a concrete block explode? I have. The gasses inside expand tremendously when subjected to fire.
Albert Einstein, Plagiarist of the CenturyQuote:
Originally Posted by bigtopsfinn
It is the "victors" who write the history books.
Regarding your nano-thermite...(or was it paint?)
British Institute of Nanotechnology: Military Involved in 9/11 - iTulip.com
Democratic Underground - 9 Scientists Misidentify Paint Chips As "Nano-thermite" - Democratic Underground
And there's more if you'd care to do any research yourself rather than relying on the blogsites.
We could go line by line with your examples, but my wife just woke up. Perhaps later...:thumbsup:
Aren't those blog sites? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Rusty Trichome
And that information wasn't from a blog site, but from a Danish TV interview with the head of the study. I saw those pictures, I'm not a nano-physicist, but they don't look anything alike to me... but wtf do I know :)
I also have better things to do than sit here arguing ;) I'd like to leave it at "we have a difference of opinion", hope that's OK with you...
Happy growing :jointsmile:
Lol...I'm ok with that. Just been slow in the growing rooms, thought I'd freelance a bit. :thumbsup:
Former Head Of Star Wars Program Says Cheney Main 9/11 Suspect
Official version of events a conspiracy theory, says drills were cover for attacks
Paul Joseph Watson & Alex Jones/Prison Planet.com | April 4 2006
The former head of the Star Wars missile defense program under Presidents Ford and Carter has gone public to say that the official version of 9/11 is a conspiracy theory and his main suspect for the architect of the attack is Vice President Dick Cheney.
Dr. Robert M. Bowman, Lt. Col., USAF, ret. flew 101 combat missions in Vietnam. He is the recipient of the Eisenhower Medal, the George F. Kennan Peace Prize, the President??s Medal of Veterans for Peace, the Society of Military Engineers Gold Medal (twice), six Air Medals, and dozens of other awards and honors. His Ph.D. is in Aeronautics and Nuclear Engineering from Caltech. He chaired 8 major international conferences, and is one of the country??s foremost experts on National Security.
Bowman worked secretly for the US government on the Star Wars project and was the first to coin the very term in a 1977 secret memo. After Bowman realized that the program was only ever intended to be used as an aggressive and not defensive tool, as part of a plan to initiate a nuclear war with the Soviets, he left the program and campaigned against it.
In an interview with The Alex Jones Show aired nationally on the GCN Radio Network, Bowman (pictured below) stated that at the bare minimum if Osama bin Laden and Al-Qaeda were involved in 9/11 then the government stood down and allowed the attacks to happen. He said it is plausible that the entire chain of military command were unaware of what was taking place and were used as tools by the people pulling the strings behind the attack.
Former Head Of Star Wars Program Says Cheney Main 9/11 Suspect
Evidence that 911 is an inside job
The Media Response to the Growing Influence of the 9/11 Truth Movement.
Part II: A Survey of Attitude Change in 2009-2010
by Elizabeth Woodworth
Global Research, February 15, 2010
The Media Response to the Growing Influence of the 9/11 Truth Movement.
Abstract
In the past year, in response to emerging independent science on the 9/11 attacks, nine corporate, seven public, and two independent media outlets aired analytic programs investigating the official account.
Increasingly, the issue is treated as a scientific controversy worthy of debate, rather than as a "conspiracy theory" ignoring science and common sense.
This essay presents these media analyses in the form of 18 case studies.
Eight countries ?? Britain, Canada, Denmark, France, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway and Russia ?? have allowed their publicly-owned broadcasting stations to air the full spectrum of evidence challenging the truth of the official account of 9/11.
This more open approach taken in the international media ?? I could also have included the Japanese media ?? might be a sign that worldwide public and corporate media organizations are positioning themselves, and preparing their audiences, for a possible revelation of the truth of the claim that forces within the US government were complicit in the attacks ?? a revelation that would call into question the publicly given rationale for the military operations in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan.
The evidence now being explored in the international media may pave the way for the US media to take an in-depth look at the implications of what is now known about 9/11, and to re-examine the country's foreign and domestic policies in the light of this knowledge.
I. Introduction
Until 2009, doubts about the official 9/11 story were briefly entertained by the mainstream media on each anniversary of the event, allowing the independent research community only a fleeting moment once a year to publicly voice its findings.
But after crucial scientific evidence emerged in April 2009 to challenge the official story of how the towers fell, a spate of European media reports followed. The news coverage of this evidence seems to have opened the door to more serious reflection on all aspects of the 9/11 issue in the major media.
The first paper in my series, "The Media Response to 9/11," dealt with the New Statesman's grudging recognition of Dr. David Ray Griffin, the world's "top truther" (as it dubbed him), placing him number 41 among "The 50 People Who Matter Today."1 Since this admission in September 2009, the issue has gathered increasing momentum.
The collective content issuing from this new momentum is presented here in the hope that it will embolden other major media to take up the pivotal controversy concerning 9/11, and pursuing the truth wherever it may lead.
Observations on the Analysis
While carrying out my analysis, I observed five new features in the media treatment of the 9/11 issue that developed as 2009 progressed. They are listed here, so that readers might look for them in the case studies that follow below:
1. The 9/11 issue is increasingly framed not as conspiracy theories versus hard science, but as a legitimate controversy resting on unanswered questions and a search for truth.
2. News reports and television programs examining these controversies have become longer and more balanced.
3. Major media outlets have begun to present the claims of the truth movement first, followed by counter-arguments from defenders of the official story.
4. Major media outlets have begun to include, and even to introduce, extensive evidence to support the claims of the 9/11 truth community.
5. The media treatments increasingly suggest the possibility of a re-investigation into the events of September 11, 2001.
The first part of this essay deals with the crucial scientific evidence that emerged in early 2009, the significance of this evidence in relation to the official story of 9/11, and the immediate news coverage it received.
II. Scientific Paper Finds Nano-thermite Explosives in World Trade Center Dust, April 3, 2009
A peer-reviewed paper published in the Open Chemical Physics Journal on April 3, 2009,2 reported that a little known high-tech explosive called nano-thermite was found throughout the World Trade Center dust.
These physicists and chemists involved in this study discovered "distinctive red/gray chips in significant numbers"3 in four samples of dust collected from the area. The presence of aluminum and iron oxide in the red material provided one of the signs that it might be nano-thermite, which is a high explosive (whereas ordinary thermite is an incendiary.)
Another clue was provided when putting a flame to the chips produced an explosive reaction.
On the basis of these and other observations, the team concluded that "the red layer of the red/gray chips we have discovered in the WTC dust is active, unreacted thermitic material, incorporating nanotechnology, and is a highly energetic pyrotechnic or explosive material."4
The article's first-named author, Dr. Niels Harrit ?? a University of Copenhagen chemistry professor who specializes in nano-chemistry5 ??explained on Danish TV2 News:
"Thermite itself dates back to 1893. It is a mixture of aluminum and rust-powder, which react to create intense heat. The reaction produces iron, heated to 2500 degrees Centigrade. This can be used to do welding. It can also be used to melt other iron.
"So in nano-thermite, this powder from 1893 is reduced to tiny particles, perfectly mixed. When these react, the intense heat develops much more quickly. Nano-thermite can be mixed with additives to give off intense heat, or serve as a very effective explosive. It contains more energy than dynamite, and can be used as rocket fuel.
"You cannot fudge this kind of science. We have found it: unreacted thermite."6
What was the significance of this sophisticated material?
Reported Evidence that Nano-thermite is a Military Substance
In a German interview in May 2009, Dr. Harrit said: "There are no experts on nano-thermite without connections to the military?. This stuff has only been prepared under military contracts in the USA and probably in bigger allied countries. This is secret military research?It was not prepared in a cave in Afghanistan."7
Chemist Kevin Ryan, another co-author, had reported in an earlier article that explosive nano-thermite, which may be painted onto surfaces, was developed by US government scientists at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratories.8
A United States Department of Defense special publication confirms that work on these "energetic materials" has long been "performed in laboratories within all military services."9
According to a June 2009 statement by Britain's prestigious Institute of Nanotechnology,10 the Harrit study "provides indisputable evidence that a highly engineered explosive called nano-thermite was found in the dust of all three buildings that came down on 9/11 2001 in New York city. [sic] This advanced explosive incorporating nanotechnology is only available to sophisticated military labs."11
It thus became known by mid-2009 that explosives of military origin, probably in the United States, had been involved in the World Trade Center collapses.
Early Coverage of the Nano-thermite Finding in the European Mainstream Press
Although the new scientific evidence against the official story of 9/11 was not reported in the mainstream British or North American media, it did receive attention in continental Europe.
The day the article was published, a thorough essay in the Danish journal Videnskab (Science) examined both sides of the controversy about controlled demolition.12
The same issue of Videnskab also carried an interview with Professor Harrit, who answered pointed questions about the peer-review history of the article, and the military nature of nano-thermite.13
The following day, Denmark's politiken.dk reported the scientific nano-thermite paper in an article called (in Danish) "Conspiracy theories about 9/11 get new life."14
Then, the day after Professor Harrit's April 6 interview Danish TV2 News, he was featured on the popular talk show, "Good Morning Denmark", on which he said:
"The material we found is super hi-tech frontline military research. It's not a mixture of random chemicals. It's an advanced material which is difficult to get information on. But some conference papers and internal reports have been published?There has to be a normal forensic investigation of this attempt. Our research is high-level forensic work. We have provided technical evidence that can be used in the future investigation."15
On April 13, an online Croatian political newspaper posted the Danish TV2 video interview with Harrit along with an article titled "VIDEO: 9/11 No Longer Taboo Topic in Denmark".16
Russia also took notice. On July 9, Laura Emmett, the London correspondent for RT, interviewed Dr. Niels Harrit for over 10 minutes. (RT, previously known as Russia Today, is a globally broadcast English-language channel sponsored by the state-owned news agency RIA Novosti. It reaches 1.5 million people monthly, including half a million Americans.) Stating that "the evidence for controlled demolition is overwhelming", Harrit reported that the nano-thermite reaction produced pools of molten iron beneath the rubble and inextinguishable fires that lasted for months.17
I turn now to ways that the mainstream news coverage of the case against the official story has changed since the appearance of the nano-thermite paper.
III. The Changing Mainstream Media Treatment of 9/11 Evidence from early 2009 to early 2010: 18 Case Studies
Two February 2009 news items illustrate the wary mainstream attitude towards conspiracy theorists early in the year. A New York Times article said about actor Daniel Sunjata:
The second episode of "Rescue Me's" fifth season, starting in April, may represent the first fictional presentation of 9/11 conspiracy theories by a mainstream media company?Mr. Sunjata's character delivers a two-minute monologue?describing a "neoconservative government effort" to control the world's oil, drastically increase military spending and "change the definition of pre-emptive attack."
Mr. Sunjata surprised some of the TV reporters when he said that he "absolutely, 100 percent" supports the assertion that "9/11 was an inside job."18
Fox News was somewhat less constrained, saying:
An upcoming episode of the drama "Rescue Me" is about 9/11 being an inside job. The actor who spews the theories on camera, Daniel Sunjata, actually believes in it too.
Look, the fact is, actors who barf this crap are doing it for their own egos. It makes them feel smart, because for once they're spouting something provocative instead of puerile. Never mind that it's an insidious insult to the victims of 9/11 ?? as it is to the rest of us, who may or may not be guilty, according to Sunjata's theory.19
However, things started to change after the appearance of the nano-thermite paper on April 3, as may be seen from the following case studies of media reports, each of which is identified as having corporate, public, or independent ownership.
The case studies reveal the evidence which has been introduced into public consciousness during the past year.
VIDEO: 9-11 Truth makes HUGE appearance at Los Angeles Anti-War March
YouTube - 9-11 Truth makes HUGE appearance at Los Angeles Anti-War March
9/11: Where is the Plane, Flight 77
Dailymotion - 9/11: Where is the Plane, Flight 77 - a News & Politics video
TEHRAN - American journalist and author Christopher Bollyn says 9/11 was an Israeli false-flag operation meant to kick-start the Zionist-designed ??war on terror?.
He made the remarks earlier this week during an email interview with freelance journalist Kourosh Ziabari.
Mr. Bollyn added that Iran is probably the main target since foreign oil corporations and big capital have designs on Iran.
Following is the text of the interview:
Q: Could you explain why you think Mossad and CIA were involved in 9/11 terrorist attacks?
A: The earliest evidence of Israeli involvement in 9-11 was actually revealed in the news on the very day of the terror attacks and shortly thereafter, but never followed up in the mainstream media.
First, there was the van of 5 Israelis who were arrested in New Jersey on 9-11. This group, which included two Mossad agents known to U.S. law enforcement, had been observed videotaping the destruction of the Twin Towers with themselves celebrating in front of the camera, flicking their lighters and laughing with the burning towers in the background across the river. These Israelis worked for a fake moving company, Urban Moving Systems of Weehawken, New Jersey, which actually turned out to be a Mossad front operation. Dominic Suter, the head of the phony company, was allowed to escape to Israel shortly after 9-11 although he was a terror suspect being investigated by the FBI. The five Israelis, some of whom refused or failed lie detector tests, were caught in possession of multiple passports, box cutters, and a large amount of cash stuffed in their socks. Their van tested positive for explosives when checked by New Jersey police, at least until the FBI took over the investigation. When the five Mossadniks were returned to Israel in November 2001, three of them appeared on a popular television show and openly admitted that their mission had been to document the terror attacks. Who had given them this mission was not discussed.
Secondly, there were some 4,000 Israelis who were expected to have been at the World Trade Center, as per the Israeli foreign ministry and the Jerusalem Post, who did not show up for work on 9-11. There were text messages sent on Odigo, an Israeli-owned instant messaging system, warning of the terror attacks several hours before the first plane hit the towers. These warnings were evidently sent in Hebrew and warned of terror attacks at the World Trade Center. Alex Diamandis, Odigo's vice president, said, ??The messages said something big was going to happen in a certain amount of time, and it did ?? almost to the minute.? The Odigo story was reported in the Washington Post, but not a single New York newspaper picked it up. The Post reported that the FBI had sent a team to Israel to investigate the content and origin of these messages, but the story was dropped and never investigated any further in the U.S. media. How odd.
Both of these stories were reported, but only briefly and then dropped into the memory hole. I began my 9-11 research by investigating these stories. With such clear evidence of Israeli prior knowledge of the attacks, I pursued my investigation to see if Israelis or Zionists were involved in other key aspects of the crime or the cover-up, and I found that they were. Indeed, orthodox Jews and Zionists cropped up at every critical point of the operation, which I discuss in detail in my book, Solving 9-11 ?? The Deception that Changed the World.
The key U.S. official behind the 9-11 cover-up was Assistant Attorney General Michael Chertoff, an Israeli citizen and son of a Mossad agent. Chertoff was the head of the criminal division of the Department of Justice at the time and the top boss of the FBI. From this position Chertoff managed the FBI's ??non-investigation? of 9-11, and supervised the confiscation and destruction of the critical evidence from the crime scenes, such as videotapes, aircraft debris, and more than 99 percent of the steel from the World Trade Center. The destruction of this crucial evidence is a crime in and of itself.
Q: You say Israel is the architect of 9/11 terrorist attacks, but some people call you a conspiracy theorist.
A: A conspiracy is a secret plan by a group of people to do something harmful or illegal. There is certainly no question that the terror attacks of 9-11 were planned and carried out by a group of people acting in secret. A conspiracy theorist in this context would be a person who believes that a conspiracy is behind the terrorism attacks that started the so-called ??War on Terror.? Presidents George W. Bush and Barack Obama have both stated that an Islamic conspiracy, headed by Osama Bin Laden and Al-Qaeda, is behind 9-11. Based on this specious and unproven assertion the Bush administration invaded Afghanistan in October 2001 and began a war of occupation which the Obama administration has adopted as its own and continues to fight to this day. President Obama says the U.S. is fighting the war in Afghanistan because of 9-11.
I, on the other hand, consider 9-11 to be an unsolved crime and have pursued my investigation based on the available evidence. Since the evidence indicates that Israeli intelligence had prior knowledge of the attacks and because prior knowledge of something like 9-11 is indicative of involvement in the crime, I have worked on the hypothesis that? Israel was involved in 9-11 and have pursued my investigation along that line. That does not make me a conspiracy theorist.
One of the main reasons I rejected the government claim that Al-Qaeda was behind 9-11 is because all the evidence indicates that the Twin Towers and WTC 7 were demolished with explosives. The plane crashes did not bring down the Twin Towers and Larry Silverstein's 47-story building, which collapsed a block away without even being hit.
When I learned in the summer of 2002 that molten iron had been found at the base of all three towers, I knew I had evidence that the Bush administration's explanation of what had happened to the World Trade Center was false. This important discovery revealed that the public had been lied to by the government about what really happened on 9-11.
The publication of the peer-reviewed paper about the discovery of large amounts of active super-thermite in the dust of the demolished World Trade Center by Dr. Steven E. Jones and others in March 2009 provides scientific proof that an extremely energetic form of thermite, made with nanotechnology, was responsible for the pulverization of the 220 concrete floors of the Twin Towers, and everything on them. This is what created the immense clouds of hot dust that everyone saw on 9-11. Survivors have said that the dust was burning hot. This is because it contained tiny droplets of molten iron, which were described and shown in the U.S. Geological Survey study of the dust. The hot spots that burned beneath the rubble for three months were hotter than the boiling point of iron and created nanosize particles that were found in large quantities in the smoke rising from the pile. These were all clear indications that thermite had been used to demolish the towers.
Logically, the discovery of chips of super-thermite in the dust marked the end of the official version as an acceptable explanation for what happened to the Twin Towers. Neither Osama Bin Laden nor Al-Qaeda had anything to do with the creation or application of the super-thermite that pulverized the World Trade Center. These facts are becoming clear to a growing number of people. The game is over for the 9-11 cover-up crowd.
Q: You introduced U.S. official Michael Chertoff the man behind the 9-11 cover-up, does the U.S. administration really unaware of Israeli involvement?
A: In March 2010, Dr. Alan Sabrosky, the former Director of Strategic Studies at the U.S. Army War College, said in a radio interview: ??It is one hundred percent certain that 9-11 was a Mossad operation, period.? Dr. Sabrosky also stated that high-level U.S. military officers know that Israel did it.
Dr. Sabrosky is, to my knowledge, the first person from the U.S. military establishment to have publicly supported the hypothesis that Israeli intelligence was behind 9-11. I have not heard of any U.S. statesman refer to my research although I am sure there are many politicians who are aware of it.
Q: The Bush administration launched ??war on terror? after 9/11 incidents and attacked Afghanistan, and then Iraq in 2003? Do you think another false-flag operation is in the making to attack another Muslim country?
A: My hypothesis is that 9-11 was an Israeli-designed ??false-flag? operation that was meant to be blamed on Al-Qaeda in order to kick-start the Zionist-designed ??War on Terror.? Actually, Iran is probably the main target, at least in the minds of the Zionist war planners. This is because the CIA and the Mossad got kicked out of Iran when (Mohammad Reza) Shah Pahlavi was overthrown in 1979. The foreign oil corporations, big capital, and their intelligence agencies want to get Iran back under their control.
I always thought that the name ??Central Command? or CENTCOM was a strange name for the military command that oversees U.S. operations in the Middle East -- central to whom? Iran now finds itself surrounded by U.S. military interventions on three sides and CENTCOM is based in Qatar, right in the middle.
Furthermore, Iran has long been the target of a concerted effort led by the Zionists and the controlled press to impose sanctions in an effort to weaken the largest independent nation in the Middle East. This is why they use the issue of Iran??s nuclear development, most unfairly, as a club to attack the Iranian government. The Zionist Axis of New York, London, and Tel Aviv refuses to accept that Iran is not under their control.
Q: You??ve published pictures on your website depicting: ??Israel does not represent world Jewry?. Do you think Israel is going to survive all this?
A: No. I don't see how a small, artificial state run by terrorists and despised by its neighbors and most of the world can possibly survive in the long term. It simply is not sustainable. This is, after all, why 9-11 was carried out -- to bring the U.S. military into the Middle East to protect the Zionist hegemony in the region. Public opinion, however, has turned strongly against Israel as a result of a long string of Zionist crimes and atrocities. A state that is so despised simply cannot survive for long.
Q: The U.S. officials regularly reaffirm their commitment to the security of Israel and disallow international community to hold Israelis accountable for the various crimes they commit. Is it possible for the international bodies to try Israeli officials despite U.S. opposition?
A: This is the real problem. Zionist influence and control over the U.S. government prevents the international community from reining in the behavior of the nuclear-tipped outlaw? Israel. The U.S. veto in the UN Security Council has effectively protected Israel from sanctions for decades. But the failure to enforce international law and apply corrective measures on? Israel has resulted in the creation of a monster-state that is now out of control. Had the system of international law worked as it should Israel would have been forced to adjust its behavior and find a way to live in peace with the Palestinians and its neighbors.
Q: What??s your take on Israel??s last month attack on the Gaza Freedom Flotilla? And do you think the international reaction have been the same had Iran carried out such attack on a flotilla of international aid ships?
A: Of course not. If Iran had committed such a massacre on the high seas it would have been punished severely and immediately by the United Nations and international community. Furthermore, if any other state besides Israel were to impose a blockade on 1.5 million civilians causing extreme hardship and suffering, it would be condemned by every nation in the world. To understand the mild response of the Obama administration to the blockade and the massacre of the nine Turkish peace activists we should recall that Rahm Emanuel, the chief of staff of the Obama White House, was in Israel the week before the attack and met with Benjamin Netanyahu only four days before the Israeli assault on the Freedom Flotilla. It should be noted that Emanuel, an Israeli citizen and the son of an Irgun terrorist, runs the Obama administration.
When it comes to the European response, we now have a weak centralized European Union that discourages unilateral actions taken by the member states. Furthermore, European foreign ministers remember very well what happened to Anna Lindh of Sweden who had called for a European boycott of Israel. She was murdered in broad daylight in Stockholm.
Q: In your one recent article, you reviewed the bankruptcy of three Icelandic banks and related it to the Israel??s plundering of Iceland's economy. Would you please elaborate on this?
A: The bankrupting of Iceland's three biggest banks in the fall of 2008 was caused by a foreign-run operation which involved people connected to the Mossad and the most extreme right-wing politicians from the Likud, including Benjamin Netanyahu and Ehud Olmert. The First Lady of Iceland also happens to be an Israeli. The operation basically gained control of the privatized and deregulated banks and puffed them up as it sucked money out of them in the form of billions of dollars in unsecured loans. The privatized banks were simply loaded up with debt and pushed off a cliff. The Icelandic banks were lending huge amounts of money to dodgy Jewish financial tycoons left and right - without any collateral of real value. The largest Icelandic bank to fail, Kaupthing, for example, lent more than $2.5 billion to the Tchenguiz operation, which is run by Victor Tchenguiz in Israel. Robert Tchenguiz, who received billions from Kaupthing, was also one of the largest stockholders in the bank.
The plundering of the banks of Iceland is very similar to the Bernard Madoff scam, the bank failures, and the huge bail-out that occurred at the same time in the United States. Madoff was the chairman of the Sy Syms business school at Yeshiva University. His partner, the late Sy Syms, was also a long-standing director of the privatized Israel Discount Bank of New York, which has a branch in Switzerland that operates under Swiss bank secrecy laws. Kaupthing also had a bank in Luxembourg that had a Swiss branch in Geneva. When Kaupthing collapsed, their Luxembourg subsidiary with the Swiss branch were taken over by David Rowland, an offshore financier who works closely with Israeli intelligence. When the Icelandic banks collapsed under a mountain of debt, the national government and international lenders were called in to absorb the losses while the bank robbers escaped with the money they stashed in secret bank accounts in Switzerland.
Q: U.S. often criticizes Iran over human rights and other things, while it befriends with Saudi Arabia and Egypt? What??s the actual reason behind this criticism?
A: This is the typical double standard seen in U.S. foreign policy. Any behavior is acceptable from a regime that is willing to play ball with big capital, big oil, and Israel. On the other hand, any regime that refuses to go along will find itself ostracized and penalized. The Hamas government of Palestine is a good example. Hamas won the democratic election fair and square, but because it refuses to be accept Israeli demands and conditions it has been ostracized. Meanwhile, Mahmoud Abbas is treated as the president of Palestine by the United States although he has not been elected and simply extends his term like a tyrant.
Iran is treated in the same way. It is ostracized because it pursues its own national interests and challenges the Anglo-American and Zionist hegemony in the Middle East. This is why the U.S. uses its influence to sanction Iran for its nuclear development program, which is legal and monitored, while completely ignoring Israel's secret nuclear arsenal. We should remember that BP, the oil company that has mucked up the Gulf of Mexico, originally started as the Anglo-Iranian Oil company, with the rights to virtually all the oil of Iran. A BP tanker was the first ship to load up with Iraqi oil after the U.S.-led invasion and occupation of Iraq. These are the people who wage war to steal the assets of sovereign nations.
Q: What??s your take on Israel??s ever-increasing international isolation?
A: Israel is an artificial state that is protected and supported by the United States. This support is due to Zionist influence and corruption of the American political system. Were this to change and were Israel to lose the support of the U.S. government it would be unable to survive. The current government in Israel is composed of the most extreme elements of Israeli society, which is increasingly becoming more orthodox and Russian. Zionist moderates have been pushed aside by the most aggressive and unscrupulous extremists. Those who could have made peace have been killed and replaced by terrorists who know only war.
The people of the United States are fed up with these costly and disastrous wars in the Middle East. A growing number are becoming aware that we have been conned into these wars. The growing divide between the people who know they have been lied to and the government who covers up the truth about 9-11 is simply not sustainable. The United States is sitting on a political fault line that may slide at any time. When the truth of 9-11 reaches a critical mass there will be a political earthquake that will sweep the criminals from power. This is why the discovery of super-thermite in the dust of the World Trade Center is so important, because it marked the end of the government version of 9-11 as an acceptable explanation.
When the deception and lies about 9-11 are exposed and the Zionist and Israeli culprits revealed, Israel will be left without a friend in the world. The racist and militant Zionist regime of Israel is bound to pass from the stage of history just like the communist dictatorships of the Soviet Union and the apartheid regime of South Africa. Such deeply unpopular regimes often fall without a shot being fired. They simply collapse because they are rotten to the core and unable to stand any longer.
http://www.tehrantimes.com/index_View.asp?code=221932
There are a few different versions of Loose Change. So far, I've seen 2, and I've heard there are 3. The ones I saw were pretty much the same, but there was a lot of information that was left out in one of them.
Either, information was left out of one because it was false, or it was left out for propaganda purposes. So now I'm really confused, and skeptical as hell with everything, and I think we're all exiled extraterrestrials from some other planet.:abduct:
Watch 911Hoboken. Its on the web and you will see survivors still on the towers waving to helicopters before the collapse. Its very informative and shows seismographic evidence of explosions below the surface before the collapse of the towers, and physics evidence that the towers didn't fall due to the jet fuel by the angle of the initial collapse of the top of the towers. You will also see a floor explode before the debris fall covers it up. Mistimed fuse and explosives. The debris fall was supposed to cover up the explosions as in a controlled demo on each floor blowing out the supports. :thumbsup:
They showed that stuff on Loose Change too, and I totally believe it was rigged. I just started to get confused when they were talking about meetings with oil companies before this all happened. I heard about Bush having a meeting with people in Dubai before this happened, and the Bush Family being close friends of the Bin Ladens? What the hell?!
Now this Israel stuff. I heard about gold being hidden under the WTC that was discovered after the buildings collapsed, etc. It goes on and on, so many different random things, what do I believe?
I don't know anymore. I think the only thing I can say for certain is my percepton of this country has drastically changed in the last 2 years. I was a hard core Bush Supporter, proud to be a republican, hooray Glenn Beck and Sean Hannity kinda chick. Bleh, now I hate to admit I was ever that way. What was I thinking? I am soooo politically lost.
Blarg!! that was alot....sorry :( The forum is open to shred me apart now for my scattered mentality.
They may have taken some from that video, but it is better then Loose Change. Any version. Loose change is a compilation from many sources. The video 911Hoboken focuses only on the towers and doesn't include all the other stuff. A much better explanation of the collapse. :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Nancy007
Even 9/11 can not wake the Lemmings.
Ha, lemmings is right. My favorite part, without a doubt, about the 911 bombings was hearing Bush give a speech not too long after the event where he urged people to not be seized by panic and that the best thing they could do was to purchase more consumer goods.
Really? That's actually the best thing we could do in a time like that? I could think of a few other things, like maybe ask for some straight answers as to what the hell just happened and I'm not talking about the g-d 911 commission.
Why is it that people who are in positions of authority seem to have absolutely no accountability? Oh yeah, it's probably got something to do with the fact that we're all trained since birth to have attention spans as long as a caffeine crazed fruit fly. Most people can barely hold a cogent argument or complete 2 page magazine article, so they were probably one their way to Cash-4-Titles before Bush's speech was even over.
/cynical
on 9/11 Dick Cheney was in his bunker
supervising a NORAD drill...
and what was that drill? two planes take down the World Trade Center!
that's all you need to know...
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Quote, "Army War College Prof. Says Military Brass Knows Mossad Behind 911
Army War College Prof. Says Military Brass Knows Mossad Behind 911, Pins Hopes on U.S. Vet Organizations
by James_Madison_Lives , 04/15/2010 Daily Paul Liberty Forum
Army War College Prof. Alan Sabrosky presents convincing evidence that CIA-Mossad carried-out 911. This echoes what the formerly Italian President and head of Italian Counter-Intelligence Francesco Cossiga said in 2007: that it is widely known among all the European intelligence community that CIA-Mossad carried-out 911.9-11 SOLVED118
Army War College Prof. Says Military Brass Knows Mossad Behind 911
First of all I have not seen Loose Change and don't know what it is.
The biggest unexplained issues from 911 seem to come from the pentagon.
How can all the metal from the plane be burned to the point where it dissapears yet all the bodies are recovered.
The hole in the pentagon did not fit the airplane that supposedly hit it.
Several professional people at the pentagon testified that they smelled conventional bomb explosives after the explosion of "jet fuel".
The only piece of the airplane recovered at the pentagon was not from the type of airplane that supposedly hit the building.
Regarding the WTC's and the other building that fell a few days later.
Why did they fall like a demolition from top to bottom and not topple.
I don't want to believe the "we did it ourselves" folks but that conclusion is impossible to eliminate at this time.
No aircraft parts found in the field.
Quote, "Aircraft Parts and the Precautionary Principle
Impossible to Prove a Falsehood True:
Aircraft Parts as a Clue to their Identity
by George Nelson
Colonel, USAF (ret.)
United Airlines Flight 93
This flight was reported by the federal government to be a Boeing 757 aircraft, registration number N591UA, carrying 45 persons, including four Arab hijackers who had taken control of the aircraft, crashing the plane in a Pennsylvania farm field.
Aerial photos of the alleged crash site were made available to the general public. They show a significant hole in the ground, but private investigators were not allowed to come anywhere near the crash site. If an aircraft crash caused the hole in the ground, there would have literally hundreds of serially-controlled time-change parts within the hole that would have proved beyond any shadow of doubt the precise tail-number or identity of the aircraft. However, the government has not produced any hard evidence that would prove beyond a doubt that the specifically alleged aircraft crashed at that site. On the contrary, it has been reported that the aircraft, registry number N591UA, is still in operation.
American Airlines Flight 11
This flight was reported by the government to be a Boeing 767, registration number N334AA, carrying 92 people, including five Arabs who had hijacked the plane. This plane was reported to have crashed into the north tower of the WTC complex of buildings.
Again, the government would have no trouble proving its case if only a few of the hundreds of serially controlled parts had been collected to positively identify the aircraft. A Boeing 767 landing gear or just one engine would have been easy to find and identify.
United Airlines Flight 175
This flight was reported to be a Boeing 767, registration number N612UA, carrying 65 people, including the crew and five hijackers. It reportedly flew into the south tower of the WTC.
Once more, the government has yet to produce one serially controlled part from the crash site that would have dispelled any questions as to the identity of the specific airplane.
American Airlines Flight 77
This was reported to be a Boeing 757, registration number N644AA, carrying 64 people, including the flight crew and five hijackers. This aircraft, with a 125-foot wingspan, was reported to have crashed into the Pentagon, leaving an entry hole no more than 65 feet wide.
Following cool-down of the resulting fire, this crash site would have been very easy to collect enough time-change equipment within 15 minutes to positively identify the aircraft registry. There was apparently some aerospace type of equipment found at the site but no attempt was made to produce serial numbers or to identify the specific parts found. Some of the equipment removed from the building was actually hidden from public view.
Conclusion
The government alleges that four wide-body airliners crashed on the morning of September 11 2001, resulting in the deaths of more than 3,000 human beings, yet not one piece of hard aircraft evidence has been produced in an attempt to positively identify any of the four aircraft. On the contrary, it seems only that all potential evidence was deliberately kept hidden from public view. The hard evidence would have included hundreds of critical time-change aircraft items, plus security videotapes that were confiscated by the FBI immediately following each tragic episode.
With all the evidence readily available at the Pentagon crash site, any unbiased rational investigator could only conclude that a Boeing 757 did not fly into the Pentagon as alleged. Similarly, with all the evidence available at the Pennsylvania crash site, it was most doubtful that a passenger airliner caused the obvious hole in the ground and certainly not the Boeing 757 as alleged. Regarding the planes that allegedly flew into the WTC towers, it is only just possible that heavy aircraft were involved in each incident, but no evidence has been produced that would add credence to the government??s theoretical version of what actually caused the total destruction of the buildings, let alone proving the identity of the aircraft. That is the problem with the government??s 911 story. It is time to apply the precautionary principle.
As painful and heartbreaking as was the loss of innocent lives and the lingering health problems of thousands more, a most troublesome and nightmarish probability remains that so many Americans appear to be involved in the most heinous conspiracy in our country??s history.
Physics911, by Scientific Panel Investigating Nine-Eleven, 9/11/2001
dam this is fake u guys just paranoid
Flight 93 on 911, no Boeing 757 crashed near Shanksville!
Flight 93 on 911... no major plane crashed near Shanksville!
I just remembered. It was cordite that people at the pentagon said they smelled. These were explosives experts who know the difference between jet fuel and cordite.
320 current & retired U.S. military officers want new investigation of 911!
U.S. Military Officers for 9/11 Truth