hey guys i read that feminized seeds can grow out to be male how so,i just ordered feminized seeds what are the odds of one being male?
or what would make them become male not !HERMI!
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hey guys i read that feminized seeds can grow out to be male how so,i just ordered feminized seeds what are the odds of one being male?
or what would make them become male not !HERMI!
Where did you read this? Sounds like misinformation to me. Femenized seeds are a product of a female plant, and another female plant that produces stamen and pollen. There is no male DNA in the equation so all of the resulting seed stock is female as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by middieman440
You do have a monster risk of hermaphrodites though as a result of the process.
It's possible to get males with feminized seeds. When you are breeding plants, you would want to isolate the females to make the feminized seeds. However, if you are breeding regular seeds in another room, and get some pollen from a true male on you, then go to the feminized breeding room, it's possible to pollinate the 'feminized' plants with male pollen, resulting in male and female seeds.
With that said, it's not very typical. It's more likely that you get hermies. Choose your feminized seeds VERY carefully. Do your research, search different forums, etc.. Feminized seeds are a good option for those who can't/don't want to grow out several plants to find a few good females, and most of the time things will go according to plan.
If you have the space and ability to pop 10 seeds and grow 10 females if needed, while also having enough reserves to last if only a couple turn out female, then I'd go with regular seeds. Make plenty of clones before flowering, and choose a mother. Then you won't have to worry about buying seeds again :thumbsup:
That's right and I am glad you typed it up first so I only had to agree:jointsmile:Quote:
Originally Posted by bigtopsfinn
hey guys thanks for the info,although i have no way in doing the process of cloning and what not,i ordered the church from green house seed company and will be growing them outdoors along with the freebies and satori from the attitude,.
i hear mixed reviews about everyseed company out there and ghs is one of them but does anyone have good things to say about them
i chose the church because of the high resistance to mould.
and i herd that mandala is the way to go has anyone grown there satori outdoors? and if so how did they do,.
i think i might try and clone one of my "feminized" seeds/plants but must figure out a way on how to do this outdoors.
and also for outdoor growing whats anyones thoughts on them water crystal things???
No idea about the water crystals, but most strains labeled as good for outdoors are pretty mold-resistant so next time you shouldn't need to pick one that specifically says it unless you live in a tropical climate...
Sorry, but seeds properly femmed can not produce males. Period. (otherwise they are not femmed seeds) Cross-contamination is possible, but extremely unlikely from a reputable breeder. Their reputation is on the line with every seed-run they market.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigtopsfinn
Femming seeds in the home garden, the possibility of cross-contamination increases with every precaution not taken.
IMHO, hermies are usually caused by the inexperienced grower, not the genetics. Granted, there are some weak genetics floating around, but an experienced grower usually has their growroom dialed-in, and takes their plants to harvest without incident.
The chemical/hormonal/steroidal/heavy metal treatments some breeders use on the ladies to stress the pollen from them, can do genetic damage. (gibrellins, colloidal silver...) When I fem, I use light poisoning with great success and no genetic damage. Once in a while I'll use aspirin, but less-frequently now-a-days. (some strains take forever if using light poisoning)
Best not to use femmed seeds for further breeding, unless you've done the breeding yourself, and know the processes (treatments) that were used. Genetic damage can not be fixed, but can be passed-on to successive generations.
I wasn't talking about correctly feminized seeds, just seeds that are labeled as 'feminized'. Shit happens, things can get mixed up when dealing with hundreds of plants and thousands of seeds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rusty Trichome
I just saw a post on another forum, where feminized seeds from Greenhouse Seed Co. turned out male (6 out of 30 if I remember correctly). It's the first time I saw this, but I still have to say, that it is possible, however very unlikely.
Let's keep in mind, that a reputable seed bank to some people, may not be so reputable to others. Maybe GHS isn't a reputable seed bank, but they sure are good at marketing themselves as one. :jointsmile:
All I am pointing out is that genetically, it's impossible for them to be male. Biology has some hard-and-fast rules regarding chromosomes and their role in sexing.
Any cross-contamination is ultimately human error, but yes...human error can result in 'femmed' failure. :thumbsup:
Shit happens. I'm sure the seeds were replaced if asked...
have any of you tried/grown the church? or satori
Check the grow log in my sig. I currently have one large beasty GHS Church on day 45 of flower.
In a conversation a few years ago someone told me that they could put hormones or something like that on the plants and cause the seeds to become feminized. They suggested that this is what the seed banks do to give guaranteed fem seeds.
Anyone heard of this - Rustytrichome or any one.
Otherwise what are the seed banks doing. Just sending out hermis.
To make femmed seeds, you need to stress a lady. The results of the stress bring-out the self-preservation technique inherent in all strains, (the ability to self-pollinate) thus continuing the strain. This is not to be confused with a natural hermaphrodite that grows-up expressing both sexes.
When a lady is stressed to this point, she'll either pump-out her own pollen, or die trying. This pollen has no donor male chromosomes, and per biology...can olny make female offspring. (femmed seeds) Once stressed and showing nanners, you can either segregate her and let her continue to self-pollinate, or you can carefully collect the pollen, and pollinate other ladies in your growroom. All of the mature seeds will be female. (the tricky part is not pollinating everything in the growroom, so experience and care are necessary)
There are acids, hormones, steroids, heavy metal solutions... that have been used to stress the ladies just to the point of pumping-out the pollen, but I have a big problem with allowing our cannabis seed stock to be bastardized by these gene-altering chemicals and crap. Stress the same seed-stock often enough and hard enough, you'll risk permenantly screwing-up the genes. Breed with those damaged genes, and all future seeds from that stock will risk degradation.
Some techniques risk genetic damage more-so than others, which is why I use (chemical-free) light poisoning most of the time. No genetic damage.
I've heard of many stressing techniques like using temperature extremes (real hot days, real cold nights) or overmaturing to get the same result, but I've never used those techniques in my growroom.
Overwatering can do it too
If you're going to destroy the stressed lady anyway, I can see where root rot wouldn't be a concern. :jointsmile:
But I usually re-veg the donors. (they re-veg without nanners)
Thanks for the specific info Rusty. I can see why some folks think their hermaphrodite plants are doing the same thing you do when stressing a female. It sounds like you are able to produce the desired results without creating the dreaded hermis.
I have noticed that when an entire plant produces one or two seeds they usually turn out to be 50/50 male or female and are not usually hermis. Do you think that some plants will produce just one or two male parts (not sure if nanners is the technical term) that are buried inside the bud and each pollinate just enough to create a single seed next to where they are in the bud. Or do you think it is more likely that some stray pollen just traveled in from a mile or more away.
im mad i keep reading that greenhouse seeds are very bad,,,,grr everytime i order something i then later find out all bad stuff about them,mainly germ issues hopefully the 5 seeds i got of the church actually pop open the odds from what i see are 0-5 ahhh i dont think im going to order seeds ever again and just stick to what i have now.
has anyone here had problems with ghs company
mainly the strain "the church"
im going to start some of my beans tonight
2 church,2 great white shark,and 3 jck the ripper seeds,then in 2 more weeks i will be germing out white-widow <seedsman>
dinafem cloud#9 and sweet deep grapefruit,
kings kush <ghs> and 5 satoris by mandala
I have heard of some problems with GHS fems turning hermie but I hear just as many good stories as bad. Anyway, a friend grew 2 5-packs of the Church fems not too long ago. All 10 grew out just fine. :jointsmile: Good luck with yours.Quote:
Originally Posted by middieman440
Yesterday I was given a seedy bud from a friend. The bud is Purple kush, However the plant was fertilized by an AK-47 that hermi'd near by. SO, I'm new to all this, but it sounds like I now have 12 feminized seeds of this unintentional crossing.
Is this correct? :D
vance yes you have fem seeds,but since it got preggo by a hermi u will have hermi traits in those seeds but with proper care you can have hermie free plants.
i may be wrong but i think im correct to the best of my knowledge...
now with the church seeds i just hope they crack open n grow if they hermie im not to worried i just want bud-rot free bud this season!!!!!!
and i will be crossing the church with some og#18xskunk...
I never seem to get the results I want from seeds. By the time you can really tell which ones are the best it is too late to clone.
I use almost only clones. However if someone has a seed they can assure me came from really good weed then I will grow it.
You used to be able to go to a seed bank in Vancouver and try all the different weed then get the seeds of the weed you just tried. We had pretty good results using these seeds. Not sure if they are still doing this in "Vansterdam" but if they are it is worth making a trip.
The price was like $60 to $300 for 10 to 15 seeds. They typically gave 15 in each package.
germed 2 church 2 white shark,2 of my own cross bluecheese x to an auto ak/auto blueberry and one kings kush..
1 church popped open both white shark opened and 2 of my cross opened still waiting on the kings kush and one church will check tomorrow but i dount the church and kush will open seeds turned pretty black
but im just happy i got one church to crack open and i will clone it hopefully my attempts to clone work