Hey I'm kind of new. What's the difference between indoor and outdoor grown? Outdoor is way cheaper is it not as strong? what's beter or worse between the two?
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Hey I'm kind of new. What's the difference between indoor and outdoor grown? Outdoor is way cheaper is it not as strong? what's beter or worse between the two?
My two cents.
I find that outdoor if allowed to fully mature is definitely better than anything grown indoors. Indoor weed tends to taste better because it is usually fresher. I have had really excellent indoor weed in both taste and quality but it never quite reaches the quality of a properly timed harvested and cured outdoor grow. The only explanation I can offer for the typical higher prices for indoor grown is that it is typically grown until it is fully mature even if that is just 4 or 5 weeks whereas outdoor weed is often harvested early out of paranoia over getting busted or ripped off. Outdoor weed that is harvested early definitely will not be as good as indoor weed that was fully mature when harvested.
Outdoor weed grown properly (no fish emulsion ever) and without being overly nutriented and being fully mature will always be better than the same exact plant grown indoors.
Let the discussions begin.
Indoor will always test higher if grown with C02. Outdoors there is only so much c02 in the ambient air. And the climate can not be controlled. If you were to take the same strain 1 outdoor and 1 indoor with added c02 you should have 5 to 7% more THC in the indoor plant. Temperature is also key in max production of THC. Controlling humidity: temp and c02 will always produce a more potent plant!!!!!!!!!
there is alot of things to take into consideration....
do you have a space to grow indoors?
are you prepared to buy a light, nutes, venting, fans, soil, etc....?
lots of maintenance (monitoring ph, temps, light cycle, etc)
smaller yields, but really good, quality buds :jointsmile:
or do you have a spot outdoors that is not visible to the public?
a way to get water to the plants on a regular basis?
still lots of maintenance, watching for pests, theifs, storms, etc....
higher yeilds, that is the only plus to me, but i know lots of people that prefer outdoor if they have the land to do it.
Both ways are good, just different. happy growing! :jointsmile:
Outdoor fo sho
Though I may be somewhat biased,
Indoors has some advantages. You control the climate. You can control the lights. However the yields are small. It is easier to grow inside with a much better chance of some good smoke. Also you can schedude a harvest every month because you control the photoperiod.
Outside has the sun. There is no light made that can duplicate it. Your plant has unlimited space to grow into. And of course the soil is an unlimited buffet for your plant. But there are no sure things. A rainy week at the wrong time can ruin your crop. A ripper can steal your stuff. Many more variables. Much better yield. And unless you live in Hawaii (or other tropical location) you only get one shot a year.
A plant grown inside will yield a couple of oz's. It will take 8-12 weeks. The same plant outside will take 24-36 weeks and yield a pound or more. You take more chances outside, but the retun is far larger.
As for quality, While I personally have yet to see anything grown inside that can beat what I grow outside, I'm sure others will feel differently. Not many indoor growers here.
Get a Clue.Quote:
Originally Posted by rudy2010
Come on guy's outdoor indoor. The fact is that every grow is a micro grow and is dif. Two of the same plant and dif conditions. How can you compare. Apples and oranges.
This is why we will have a prob in leaglizing. There is no set benchmark for THC content.. It effect everyone dif, what gets me high may not even buzz you or vice verse.
When we have something, meds or leagle that has munipulated thc levels then we will have our benchmark all across the world.
Or someone come up with a THC test kit so everyone can show the THC content of their buds and then we can see who has the best.
Anyway mother nature can not get as hot as a 1000HPS shoved up your ass. LOL
I agree; apples and oranges.Quote:
Originally Posted by LOC NAR on probation
Please explain in a common sense manner why that would be a problem; obtain yer plant elsewhere if you don't like what you received. Or maybe take another hit.Quote:
Originally Posted by LOC NAR on probation
Not realistic because in fact in order to determine the quality of a given grow many other parameters are just as important as THC content. Besides, your measures supposedly aimed at protecting us will simply lead to more taxation or governmental abuses.Quote:
Originally Posted by LOC NAR on probation
But dude, lol. Tell me youâ??re medicated, heheh.
Lead
Right now we have some co-ops and dispenseries. That's the way it should be if leagle.
But every other drug that is leagle is regulated and manipulating. Why should MJ be any dif. It must be to be farely taxed. I don't like it either but there has to be a benchmark for fare taxation. It's the greedy government and that's the way it will be. The plant is not the problem the gov is.
How many taxes can they get from grow your own. LOL
I don't want leagalization I want to end the Prohabition.
Medicated is the only way I feel good about this Country. Heavily
Every now and then I sound like I'm making sense. just maybe not while medicated. LOL
Absent prohibitionist policy, why limit distribution to "co-ops" and "dispenseries"?Quote:
Originally Posted by LOC NAR on probation
Why not just grow and sell as one sees fit?
That's the way it should be. Yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by leadmagnet
But There needs to be some kind of control for meds or people get ripped off by greed. They have managed to keep the price down somewhat.
When it all comes down to it. All I want is to grow and persue happiness.
Hi
I am a professional organic Horticulturist. I have and can, grow anything. I started in the 6th grade growing my favorite herb ( tobacco..opps just kidding). While in the 6th grade, during summer time, I was sent to Cuba to be with my great and grand parents who ran a tobacco shop. Did you know that in cuba everyone smoked pot mixed with tobacco? I would steal cigars from my grands and separate the good stuff from the tobacco!
Any ways, to make a long story short...I started growing cuban pot which has been grown for centuries by the old folks for tea etc,... a very strong indicia black variety ( i would love to get a hold of it now!) Any one in Cuba?
anyways to answer your question re indoor or outdoor. I can grow both and you will not be able to tell the difference! I prefer indoors for many reasons...
1. you can have a continuous year round harvest!
2. you can control the environment from co2 to soil to nutrition, to pest control to human control.
3. I use LED lights (hardly any increase in my electrical usage!)
4. I can graft on one plant with many many different varieties!
5. Over the years you can develop your own local variety. Once you master growing from seed.
6. Cloning is impossible outdoors
hope this helps
:rastasmoke:
My experience for the most part is that outdoor can be just as strong/potent as indoor but its almost always more harsh. Just the dust and random particles in the air that collect on it from being outside will give the bud a darker color and make it smoke harsher than equivalent indoor.
Not really a big deal either way but like if I'm taking fat bong rips or smoking an entire joint to my dome my throat can feel damn scratchy afterward if it was outdoor.
A lot prefer inside due to lack of pests ex. white flies, birds, and generally the smoke is less harsh than outside.:smokin:
As far as getting dust and random weeds - I have also heard of gravel and mice but that seems to be mostly a problem with the weed from the cartels. I have a problem with pine needles and hairs from thistle plants. I know what the thistle looks like now so I will eliminate that. It is not that hard to get the few pine needles off. I am able to keep them from having any effect on the taste. That is mostly related to the strain planted and care taken when manicuring and drying the buds. Cheese will almost always taste better than sour diesel but will usually not be quite as strong.Quote:
Originally Posted by InvisibleGarden
Regarding micro grows. Absoutley they have quality variations there. You can go to 10 different dispensaries and get 10 different qualities of supposedly the same weed.
A lot of folks on this forum say super silver haze is a top smoke. Yet I have tried it at a couple of dispensaries and found it to be very disappointing. I will need to grow one out for myself to see what the actual quality is. Last year I grew a white widow which has never impressed me. When folks I know went to Amsterdam white widow was always the lowest price and quality in all the coffee shops. I am amazed at how well it turned out. The white widow and the bliss were by far the best two varieties I had last year. I have to clean the resin off my scissors every time I roll a joint and have to clean my sifter after every two joints. The grower makes a huge difference in the quality.
:S5: I am running a 120watt LED 80%blue 20%red plus a 400watt MS bulb. All at the same time. My strains are Headband...Master Kush...Grape kush...White widow...God's Gift...Grandaddy purp...Cronic...Sour Grapes...Blue dream...Ak-47...Casey Jones...Trainwreck...Soil BX mix...I am 2 weeks in and looking really good and FULL Thick Leafs...Any help is greatly needed. This is my second time growing. I still have alot to learn.
:thumbsup:Nice job Man! What are ur lights?Quote:
Originally Posted by bigbuds007
thats alot of blue light, is there a reason?Quote:
Originally Posted by SoCalDad
:smokin: The blue is for growth the red is for flower.Quote:
Originally Posted by demoreal
I know that.
what i was wondering is you use so much blue compared to red. is that your set up all the way threw flowering. MH? cause I would think you would want to use an LED with an HPS, or at least an LED with more red?
wait by HS you mean HPS.
you are right, i think i just read it wrong. That would be nice light for flowering then. sorry.
:thumbsup:Thats the idea but I run a hi sodium in flowering and still get the growth at the same time with the led. Big plants = Big Buds.Quote:
Originally Posted by demoreal
:pimp:Only in soil though. HYDRO it will fry ur girls.Quote:
Originally Posted by demoreal
i use a 600 hps and i grow hydro. my girls are fine. most hydro growers on these boards use 1000 hps for hydro. I have to disagree that using a higher powered light for hydro vs soil will fry your plants. I think most people here would agree. medium does not have anything to do with what light you use. my 600 hps is in a 2x2 tent about 12 inches from canopy. plants are fine. and thaqtws 100 watts a square foot.
i meant i use a 400 sorry. (my dad uses a 600, thats why i was confused)
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Originally Posted by jts619
First decision to be made for every beginner marijuana grower is to choose between indoor and outdoor growing of cannabis. Both options have some advantages and disadvantages. :smokin:
Outdoor Cultivation
If you live in a place with harsh laws against growing and using marijuana, it would be wise for you to consider growing outdoors. The most important advantage for outdoor marijuana growers is the security. It's easier to stay out of sight of authorities for cannabis growers who plant seeds in early spring and come just in time for the harvest, in the autumn. Indoor growers are around their plants whole year and that makes them much more vulnerable.
One of the best strategies for outdoor growing is planting seeds in a forest which has small areas of open sunny spaces. It's a good idea to have a GPS. GPS stands for Global Positioning System and it will help you to get to know the exactly position of your crop. When the fall comes, let lead yourself through your high-tech GPS gadget to your fully developed, ready for harvest marijuana. Before you decide to buy yourself a GPS do a research and find out which brand suits you best. Cheap GPS will guide you only to area of 100 meters from your plant while better and more expensive devices can guide you to the area of 3 meters of your plant location. This can play a significant difference for you.
Another good thing about outdoor growing of cannabis is the low-tech and low maintenance aspect of it. Natural conditions will be the perfect environment for your cannabis plants, as opposed to indoor environment where you need to recreate all conditions necessary for healthy plant development.
On the other side the biggest disadvantage of outdoor marijuana cultivation is the limit of seasonal growth. If you live in a temperate climate you can have only one crop per year. The season starts with planting seeds in the spring and ends with the harvest in fall. And there is always the possibility of your crops destruction by animals or humans.
Indoor Cultivation
The best thing with growing your marijuana indoors is that you can grow your pot during the whole year. You can adjust all the necessary factors like temperature, light, moisture and others so the plant can vegetate and flower as it would in its natural environment.
Security is the main problem with indoor pot growing. It is almost impossible to hide the strong smell of cannabis and still ventilate your growing room properly. It's also complicated to hide strong and continuous light from escaping through windows. This makes indoor growing of marijuana complicated from the standpoint of security.
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I was talking about legal outdoor growing. In CA in my area I can have 6 plants per license. I just have to be careful not to exceed 99 plants.
You neglected to discuss the quality subject. While the same plant grown to full maturity outdoors will always be stronger most indoor plants will taste better.
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Originally Posted by shimquist
Shouldn't you have said "Outdo fo sho" just kidding ;-)
So if your starting out growing and still haven't decided these are the 411:
Outdoor
Outdoor cultivation should always be done at least once. Its a lot of fun honestly.
It def has its advantages.There are two Main kinds of Outdoor growing. W/O and Greenhouse.
A)W/O (Wide Open) is a little more risky as neighbors might smell the herb and cops know the seasons and look for crop cashing. This method can be as legal and small as a few plants in the backyard with some Big Buckets or as Illegal as a Forrest/Mountain Guerrilla Grow.
B) Greenhouse is a little more controlled and can make some pure beasts! This will keep dirt and pollen from other plants from effecting your babies and messing up color and taste.
Outdoor cultivation will always yield more (Except in special cases of Indoor specific strains such as Lowryder)
No light can match the power of the sun and as such space+light=yield.
If planted in very large pots(10gal+) 1-2lb plants are easily attained and sizes can reach 8feet+.
Ideally the Best outdoor cultivation is going to be Greenhouse. You protect against the elements and more pests. High heat affects resin production and at least here in SoCal blazing summers will leave your plants wilted and not nearly as glassy. NorCal has wet conditions and low temps making Mold their prime problem. Thus Greenhouse helps protect against more outside stresses while still giving the plants plenty of sun.
So the short:
Pro's:
-More yield 400g-2lbs can be attained.
-thick healthy girls (Increased Vigor)
-Free Lights! (Sunlight!)
-Sometimes free Water!(Rain ^.^b)
-Wind Can make for Thick tight colas with little to no spacing if you live in a semi windy area.. this can be good or Bad though.
Con's:
-Limited on growing.You can only Grow part of the year and the most I have personally seen was a 3 time/year crop out doing a pure outdoor grow.
-Outdoor pests can severely hurt crops
-Cant Clone outdoors as you would have to bring cutting indoors to properly propagate.(Usually* I have Cloned using SoCal sunny weather in July with a Grow dome and a brick on top to help with wind blowing it off. Misted them ever other day and planted in grow cubes with Clonex gel.But most of the time this is near impossible as a high heat day is going to fry them, and a sudden random rain might kill em as well.(I got lucky for the week It took me to root them...)
-growth may be a downside when you have a 6ft fence and your Girls are playing Peekaboo with your neighbors
-Weather Can be a blessing(78, few clouds, low Humidity SoCal kickass weather)
or a nightmare (66 ,rainy, highest Humidity wtf day or 105 OMFG WHYY?!!!! streaks we get) Its a gamble...
-No way to mask smells and visible so expect a cop visit if grown in your backyard even if it doesn't come...EXPECT IT and have your script nearby...
-Usually "Airy" or "Loose" Nugs, not nearly as Dense as Indoors.
Conclusion
If you want Yield over Quality go outdoors as NO indoors grow will match outdoors. Although I have yet to see a Outdoors BubbaXskunk#1 Match a Indoor Soil grow (Bubba Kush Purebreed)in Smell and almost in Taste, but it was Greenhouse not W.O growing.
Indoors
Indoor Cultivation is the pinnacle of flavor bursting dense ass wwooaaa Nugs with glass that shines like diamonds. There are multiple ways to grow indoors and each medium has a profound effect on Yield, Vigor, Stability, Growth, and of course Taste.
When choosing Indoors first you need to decided "What do I want to do?"
Taste? Yield? Personal? Fast?...
1)Soil: Easiest Indoor Cultivation there is. This method offers a more forgiving learning curve. There are two primary Methods within Soil growing itself that leads to Different effects and require a different skill level.
A)TLO (True Living Organisms)
This method is the act of using brewed tea's to feed Bacteria that live in the roots and lower soil of the pot and help growth. NO synthetic's are used in TLO grows and if you buy anything from a Hydro store minus lights,soil and mite spray you're not doing TLO grow. There is actually even a natural way to take care of pests using Natural predators like Cucumber Mites(Eats Thrips, and Spidermite eggs) Ladybugs, nematodes, ect to replace Sprays.
TLO will give you AMAZING taste, smell and vigor in plants. It is the absolute BEST INDOOR GROWING METHOD period. It requires some skill though, you'd be surprised how quickly people mess up TLO grows by adding to much Guano because they think it will make the plants grow fast.
B)Synthetic Soil Grows
This Method is almost like TLO but uses Soil with Chemicals such as Nutri boosters(Artificial root stimulants and growth enhancers), Grow(A) and Blooms(B) two parts, bloom boosters(Color or Vigor Enhancers), weight adders (Brixs), ect.
This is a good way to grow but requires flushing 5-10 days before harvesting and wont have the same Taste as TLO but can Match the Vigor. You can do Slightly Organic grows using this Method using Nutes that are "Organic, but A true "Organic" Grow is pretty damn hard to achieve and TLO grows are more Organic than a bottle hands down.
Soil is the Only grow medium able to Match outdoors Pound for Pound. (Literally). your not gonna get a 2lb Hydro grow, well... Not with any results I'd wanna smoke lol...
2)Hydro: The 2nd easiest Indoor Medium to grow in and is usually done for Faster Harvests than Soil at the cost of Quality.
This method SHOULD use quality Synthetic Nutes and can result in insane grows. There are three different methods in Hydro. Ebb flow, Drip, and Canal (Usually used with Tents and constructed out of PVC, acts almost like Ebb flow but instead of a table being used it fills a Canal where the Plants sit on top of and flows back into the rez to be recycled.) Hydro Flushing is super easy though so that's a plus. Hydro will usually have faster flowering plants that stay a little shorter and can gain weight fast! The Taste is good and the Resin is insane, but the Taste and Smoke isn't as good a quality as TLO grows. Requires skill level of Novice at the very least only because messing up PPM is easy causing Chem Burn and root rot Can take out a crop fast as well.
3)Aero: The hardest indoor growing method. The payoff of Aero is the fastest way to grow indoors hands down. There are two major methods of Aeroponics. Fogger(Fog or "Mist" ponics) and DWC/SWC (Deep water/shallow water culture AKA Bubble Buckets) This way is ridiculously fast and I have seen clones Veg for 8 days enter Aero growing and Bloom for 7 weeks. Thats 9 weeks! (1 veg, 7bloom, 1flush), little over 2 months and your done and drying. The quality is outstanding if done right, the flavor is quite nice, color is usually amazing. I have seen people pull 6oz DWC grows off using 1000 HPS in a 6X6 tent. One friend and fellow breeder pulled off 8oz Master Kush in a DWC super cropped and trained "bush" with its own 600w HPS with only 10 days in Veg and 8 in bloom!
Requires Vet-Master Growing skill to honestly get the most out of the plants.
Only because a power-out, or wrong PH/PPM Nute program will Fry a Crop and wipe them all out.
Soooo Lets review Indoors
Pro's:
-CAN produce same Vigor of growth as outdoors.
-Taste is almost always going to be better than Outdoors.
-Higher Resin output is common and Indoor Plants make primo Bubble Hash.
-Controlled environment so you can make "Perfect" weather 365 days of the year.
-You can Grow 365 days a Year! and you can essentially do a crop out ever 2 months, that's around 6 harvests a year, 2X the amount of Outdoors! :D
-Still seen 8ft-10ft tall 10gal TLO grows indoors. They had to be Bent over while flowering using ground weights!
-If your pockets are real deep you can make a Indoor 1lb plant but it requires Primo genetics and a sick light bill every month (Or Generator :thumbsup:).
-Flexible growing methods and spaces to suite anyone(I do Tent Small Op grows and breeding projects and built my old roommate a "60day Casher" grow with the strain 60day Wonder(Automatic) and a 5 foot high 2x2 Ikea closet lol. He still got 2ozs in 80 days (58 finish, 2 drying ,20 day cure) and it left yea pretty floaty for a 1.5h, smiling...Loved it...
Cons:
-Pests like Spidermites and Powder Mold are common
-Electricity(1000w are some power mongers and running 6 will make bills jump to flagging lvls)
-Requires space that most people don't have for Cash Cropper grows.
There is more?!: :wtf:
With Indoor growing you can also use Sub methods along with the main three Indoor Mediums to do different effects.
Tent Growing:SoG,SCoG,Speed Growing (Automatics)
Open room: Bucket grows, Octo Growing, High Yield
-So SoG keeps plants short and low and usually achieved with cropping,early flowering and Hydro/Aero. The plants Produce Insane Main cola's and I have seen some the size of your forarm! Perfect for Growers who like tight dense Nugs that burn slow. The must is to keep the growth equal and flush. With Aero+SoG I have seen massive main cola's and stupid short Veg times(Just long enough to get 14" Tall then bloom)... Though the Mother plant they come from NEEDS to be at least 30 days old.
-SCoG is a modified method of SoG Using screen or netting to keep high the same.
-Speed Growing is simply using Automatic strains (Cant Clone) to produce smaller faster harvests. Essentially you can Finish 2X faster than a traditional grow and can with 30-50 plants produce 1lb. (Most Auto's give off 1/2 Oz-1 Oz and most finish in about 70 days vs a good Normal grow which Takes at least 110 days.)
-Bucket growing is used for the cats who convert a room or Garage into a grow room. Using at least 5gal Buckets. Huge Yields Can be achieved. Can be coupled with Soil or DWC aeroponics. More root mass= More Yield.
-Octo Training is the Method of stress training and bondage using weights, string, tape,ect to turn a Tree into a Bush. Increases Vigor and Yield. But requires more Space.
-High Yield growing is the Opposite of Speed growing to the T. They take a lot longer to do but have MASSIVE yields. Usually done in Soil with 4 plants per 1000w and Octo training. Veg takes 4-5 weeks and 8 week(Indica)- 11 week (Sativa) in bloom with a 7-10 days flushing, but Have the 1-2lbers common with some strains. You can even push a 2oz plant to 6 or 8oz no problem.
As a side Note:stoned:
Any Indoor grow can also use CO2 to highly increase Yield and Vigor. Something that Cant be done outdoors, but Natural CO2 rivals it VERY close, some say better.
And there ya have it, just remember to be safe, stay Legal and have fun.
Good Genetics will carry a noob like a Vet so remember to keep Primo genetic Beans or CLEAN confirmed Clones! :D
One Love...
:rastasmoke:
To those who commented so far. CO2 will always produce better buds indoors but your statement about the THC when compared to outdoors is speculation.
Also you can definitely clone outdoor plants and I have the clones to prove it. You need to cut your clones before the plants start to flower or it is really difficult to get them back to veg. But that is true for indoor plants as well. If you time it right you can get hundreds of clones from a single outdoor plant with little effect to the plant.
You can make weak strains of weed taste really good when grown indoors but you can't improve the quality.
The right strains of weed grown outdoors and properly matured and cured will not have any harsh after taste and will taste the same as if the strain was grown indoors.
The biggest problem with outdoor weed is people harvest it too early.
any tips on how to get solid, dense nugs. Im growing outdoors. High Phosphorus??
If there is an option I'd always choose mother nature. I've done both and the hassle of indoor vs total yeild just isn't worth it to me. If it's your only option then thats different.
I keep hearing that indoor is worth twice as much as outdoor and that is total BS. They try to justify that because of the increased cost and smaller yield, well boo hoo. Why should I pay twice as much for bud that is NOT twice as good? It may not be any better for that matter.
I've had indoor grown bud that looked, smelled and tasted killer but had absolutely NO psychoactive effect. My best friends sister set up her garage with the full set up of lights, fans, mylar, grew a full crop of no stone green bud. I smoked half an 8th to my head and was wondering WTF??
The Indoor and Outdoor is both good. I have grown killer indoor as well as killer outdoor. I don't care because outdoor you get a real big yield with good buds, Just harvest at the right time and give it 6 to 8 hours of direct sunlight. Do not over water and give outdoor shade temperature water when watering the plant
How I get soild dense nugs outdoor is use deuce deuce towards the end of harvesting, 5ml per Gallon for 4 last weeks before flushing
bottom line you get more money for indoor grown then out door denser nugs indoor you may not achieve same yields but wait a min :)) veg same times as summer equinox and you might be surprised which yields you more
if you got the space indoor
biggest factor is lighting now some will say you can;t beat sunlight i say Wrong answer sunlight is free but actually sunlight produces what 100,000 lumens per meter on earths surface ????
here
EYE Hortilux Super HPS grow lamps fine-tune your lighting system to provide optimum spectral energy levels that promote vigorous plant growth. The EYE Super HPS EN Grow Lamps provide 17% more total energy and 25% more energy in the violet, blue, and green spectrum than standard High Pressure Sodium lamps.
Lamp Code: LU1000B/HTL/EN
Initial Lumens: 145000
Rated Life Hours: 24000
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Originally Posted by jts619
Outdoor yeilds more.