No Idea.. plants little over a month old... on second week of foxfarm nute schedule

hey all I am using fox farm OF soil.. 400W HPS... 18/6 water ph is 6.8-6.9 nute ph is 6.3-6.5 seems to me like I am having a lot of problems with lower leaves.. also some bleached looking spots on the top of one plants leaves can anyone help me out?? I am using the foxfarm trio but also have calmag+... when should I be using the calmag+?

first couple pics are from one that has lots of green growth at the middle and top but looking bad at the bottom as wiht the 3rd and 4th pics...
the 5th pic is of one that has huge fan leaves but looks to be growing more wide than tall... soil is very dry but everyone says that the droopy leaves are bc of overwatering... can anyone help!

Did you plant seeds directly in those containers? If so it may be time to transplant. If you are bordering on rootbound no amount of watering schedule adjustment is going to correct it. How long have they been in that container? You say they are a little over a month old, I have gotten rootbound in a gallon in 2 weeks before.

I'd say from reading your other thread your best bet may be to transplant to a larger container with some new soil. Most of your issues will probably clear up within the first week of new soil and root space.

As for the calmag, you need to know the ppm of your source water if you want to use it effectively. If you already have an abundance of Ca and Mg in your water, adding CalMag could cause a toxicity.

DONT TREAT IF YOU ARENT SURE.

If you keep changing all of your variables at once, it will be impossible to isolate the problems from the benefits.

Fill out a troubleshooting form.

Bump to everything ^ said. Transplant, becarful with the cal mag and don't hit the plant with to much at once. It'll make things cooonnnfffuuussssiinngggg;)

Plants look healthy except for the last pic; Ive been reading alot since this is my second grow. Dropping leaves usually mean over watering, but im so new dont trust my opinion. I like the idea of switching to bigger buckets as those plants will probably have roots that are still tryin to grow.

hopefully some more experiences guy jump in here.

good luck.

J

If the soil is dry three inches deep and has good drainage then the plant is really dry and I would take a look at the roots for them being that droopy with dry soil I wouldn't think its an overwater. Sometimes the droopy comes from underwatering which I prefer more then overwatering. However BOTH unacceptable to me :Dhaha

Last time I was using ffof soil and watered with a ph of 6.3-6.5 in veg stage I had lots of problems. After a month I dropped my ph wayyy down making it very acidic. You should test the soil run-off. I have mothers in ffof and water with 6.8 and is doi g great. Also transplant wouldn't hurt. But the guy to ask more about this is rustytrichrome. He is a ff guru

i have transplanted most into 2 gallon buckets where i will be able to keep track of their feeding watering better.... i flushed one plant last night bc it was just looking not so hot... so we will see how it does.... There must be a fine line between over and under watering I have to find it! lol

[quote=Jonesy2010]Plants look healthy except for the last pic; Ive been reading alot since this is my second grow. Dropping leaves usually mean over watering, but im so new dont trust my opinion. I like the idea of switching to bigger buckets as those plants will probably have roots that are still tryin to grow.

hopefully some more experiences guy jump in here.

good luck.


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that was def underwatering. leaves are just laying there. if over watered they tend to curl inwards.

medical-- thanks that def is a helpful reminder... they have no inward curl, just big and droopy. what do you think about not feeding nutes until around week 4 when i start to flower?? it really looks like i am having some burn at the bottom.. but lots of growth in the middles...

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that was def underwatering. leaves are just laying there. if over watered they tend to curl inwards.

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Overwatering makes the leaves droopy. Actually I'm under the impression that there are alot of factors the make plants droopy. I just think that many more people overwater causing droopiness the underwater.

Guessing games are fine for other sites not geared twords the medical use and growing of cannabis. But I'd be pretty friggin pissed if I was having problems, and most of the answers I got put my meds in danger. Hell, I'm bummed and they're not even my plants. :wtf: How long do you think it will take him (and other newbies trying to gain growroom insight) to un-learn bogus information?

irydyum and cigarettes 42 gave you accurate answers.
I'd bump the ph up a tad, and it looks like underwatering and time for a transplant. CalMag is unnecessary till flowering, if even then. Mostly used in mid to late flowering. I like unsulfured molasses better, but some prefer to lay-out that extra cash for a diluted version. (CalMag is basically diluted molasses) I'd do a good flush and transplant when dried-out enough to do so.

Those of you that offer guesses, how would you feel if you were having problems and most the responses set you on the wrong path? Would you simpley shrug your shoulders and say "oh well", or would you be a little pissed at the undereducated guesswork going on here?
It's simple...if you don't know what you're doing, don't offer someone else advise. Period.

hey there rusty! def awesome to see ya and get your advice!.... I took your advice and transplanted many of them into 2 gallon buckets... what size would you think is good for their final transplant??

I will def lay off the calmag... I think I waited too long into their growth to start feeding and am now reverting back to the foxfarm feeding schedule and on week 2 of the feed when they are really over a month old.. any suggestions??

rusty check out the recent pics... I know for sure one is female... but very small growth inbetween.. i am really having a lot of trouble with the yellowing and dying of my bottom leaves and leaves coming in...


please comment on pics and how I can help them!

pic 1 and 2-- semi decent looking lady... any thoughts?

pics 3 and 4 ----- one of my ladys.. really lush green, but almost looks rubbery and very droopy.

pic 5--- semi decent looking wish i could have them green and not so yellow!

pics 1 and 2 are of this big slut.... she is short and fat with big droopy leaves... also having some spotting on leaves.. do you think this is where the nutrients might have hit the leaves? what can i do to perk her up!

pics 3-5 are of one that has shown its sex.. its female and has a nice hairy pistil at the top... only bad thing(like you cant see) bad yellowing and bleached top leaves!.... but good growth throughout the middle.. any ideas??

pics 1 and 2----- are of the youngest.... it is about 3 weeks since i germinated... it actually looks really good and has no yellowing yet... should I hold off on nutes??


pic 3 is of one that looks pee yellow kind of and does not have much growth but has long upright leaves and looks ok... what do you all think ?

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Guessing games are fine for other sites not geared twords the medical use and growing of cannabis. But I'd be pretty friggin pissed if I was having problems, and most of the answers I got put my meds in danger. Hell, I'm bummed and they're not even my plants. :wtf: How long do you think it will take him (and other newbies trying to gain growroom insight) to un-learn bogus information?

irydyum and cigarettes 42 gave you accurate answers.
I'd bump the ph up a tad, and it looks like underwatering and time for a transplant. CalMag is unnecessary till flowering, if even then. Mostly used in mid to late flowering. I like unsulfured molasses better, but some prefer to lay-out that extra cash for a diluted version. (CalMag is basically diluted molasses) I'd do a good flush and transplant when dried-out enough to do so.

Those of you that offer guesses, how would you feel if you were having problems and most the responses set you on the wrong path? Would you simpley shrug your shoulders and say "oh well", or would you be a little pissed at the undereducated guesswork going on here?
It's simple...if you don't know what you're doing, don't offer someone else advise. Period.

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I only touch subjects that I know I can help someone on, and if Marcaka hasn't already learned that he has to verify info that he reads on these threads by searching through other threads and books and whatever else he can get his hands on then he's the one not valuing his medicine. Its up to him whose info he chooses to go on. Me personally I would use your info cuz it you know what you are talking about. However you don't always post to the rescue:(

Plants are lookin better Marcaka keep it up:D

does anyone agree with the comment that I should make my ph more acidic or drop it down lower than 6.3-6.7 when feeding and ph around 7 when watering?

thanks jt i def appreciate our input tho man def hope you keep checking out my thread and help me out.... what do you think of the small ones?? hold off on nutes?

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...and if Marcaka hasn't already learned that he has to verify info that he reads on these threads by searching through other threads and books and whatever else he can get his hands on then he's the one not valuing his medicine. Its up to him whose info he chooses to go on.

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Was trying my damndest not to point fingers, since there were a couple of members playing this guessing game. But none of these guessers bothered to mention that the info provided may be a guess. That's an important distinction when looking to establish your "street cred".

This isn't a competition, this is a community. A community of medical cannabis growers trying to successfully take their meds to harvest. It's up to all of us to do the research and post what you know, not what you think.

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does anyone agree with the comment that I should make my ph more acidic or drop it down lower than 6.3-6.7 when feeding and ph around 7 when watering?

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Not really. Ph swings will stress the ladies. Keeping it in range is a great idea, but try to tighten the range up a tad. On watering day, I aim for 6.5-ish. (soil grows) On feeding day I aim for 6.9-ish before adding nutes, which brings my final ph down to 6.3 to 6.4-ish.
But, I use half-strength FF nutes, twice a week. Were I to water once a week, I'd have to re-adjust my water's ph prior to use. If I adjusted my water to 6.9, and add full-strength nutes...the acidic nutes would drop the ph to near 6.1 or 6.2. (too low for me)
Every gardener will have to dial-in their water/nutrient situation, as different municipalities treat their water differently, and underground wellwaters vary widely. For instance, my water is from a well on my property, and is buffered underground with calcium-magnesium. Comes out of the tap at 7.9 to 8.

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thanks jt i def appreciate our input tho man def hope you keep checking out my thread and help me out.... what do you think of the small ones?? hold off on nutes?

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Yes, I'd hold off on Grow Big and Big Bloom for a week.
Which week of flowering nutes are you running them on, per the FF chart? I'd avoid the additional Grow Big they recommend early in flower, at least for a couple of weeks, and cut the Big Bloom in half for the same timeframe. The deep green shows me you've got plenty of nitrogen already.

Learn to grow...then learn to optimize your grow. In that order. :thumbsup:

rusty! thanks and please keep checking on this thread bc i need help... first time with nutes and I am trying to get something down but they all just look terrible at the bottom... ill post pics here shortly and hopefully you can diagnose them... i def hope atleast :thumbsup:

on watering.. just got the ph tester i actually did a good job guessing with the solution and mixing to see the ph but i am def going to tighten up the ph range now... watering days-6.5 feeding days-7 then add nutes to bring it down to 6.3

I am also feeding 2 times a week as well and using half strength FF.

Rusty what do you mean by which flowering nutes am I running?? You are meaning in week 5 what am I going to be using correct? If so, I have the Tiger Bloom. I am looking at getting cha-ching by FF or beastie bloomz by FF any suggestions??? also, for weeks 7,8, 10 I have snow storm ultra...

Rusty another question for the little ones.. you say to hold off a week on nutes.. I def think so too because right now they look really good and green and growing.... but if I wait a week and then feed, would you start on week 1 nutes? because then by week 5 they are going to be pretty big I would think... but i guess thats the point :jointsmile:

Also, you say cut out the GB and BB for weeks 7 and 8, per the foxfarm schedule? and do you only drop the BB for the weeks im dropping the GB? or stop with the BB as well and start week 5 with 1/4 strength Tiger Bloom? week 6.. 1/2 strength then week 7 full strength? unless they look terrible?

ladies at week 2 almost 3....how do they look?? any suggestions on the yellowing and dying of the bottom leaves also pic 2 shows where i dripped some nutes on the fan leaves should I cut them off?? they are just withering up as it is..

pic 1 is of the bottom of one of my ladies... I am waiting to transplant bc I do not want to keep her if she isnt going to have any new growth... she is bare for about the last 5 inches... any thoughts??? Also the biggest one looks the worst probably but is 100% lady :thumbsup: and has good growth in the middle

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on watering.. just got the ph tester i actually did a good job guessing with the solution and mixing to see the ph but i am def going to tighten up the ph range now... watering days-6.5 feeding days-7 then add nutes to bring it down to 6.3
I am also feeding 2 times a week as well and using half strength FF.

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Cool.

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Rusty what do you mean by which flowering nutes am I running?? You are meaning in week 5 what am I going to be using correct? If so, I have the Tiger Bloom. I am looking at getting cha-ching by FF or beastie bloomz by FF any suggestions??? also, for weeks 7,8, 10 I have snow storm ultra...

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My bad. (DOH) I misread your post, and thought you had switched to 12/12 under a 400w HPS. (reading too fast) I got some cha-ching last year, and still have some. With cha-ching, it's easy to overdose the ladies. Again...I'd go half or quarter strength, (along with your normal routine) and watch their reaction. The cha-ching lasts forever, but I'm not convinced it is worth the money. I've never used Beasty Blooms or the Snow Storm. (stick with the same manufacturers whenever possible)

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Rusty another question for the little ones.. you say to hold off a week on nutes.. I def think so too because right now they look really good and green and growing.... but if I wait a week and then feed, would you start on week 1 nutes?

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No. I think I would give 'em a week or two more of the veg schedule, then switch to the week 5 (flowering) schedule when you switch to 12/12. My thoughts were that they had already been switched to 12/12.

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because then by week 5 they are going to be pretty big I would think... but i guess thats the point :jointsmile:

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If you have the headroom, extra growth weeks are a benefit. If one is low on headroom or has insufficient lighting, (your 400w is sufficient) keeping to the schedule is a good idea. (you can veg a lady for months, but you'll really still be on the 18 hour section of the schedule till you switch to flower, when you'll resume the schedule at week 5.

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Also, you say cut out the GB and BB for weeks 7 and 8, per the foxfarm schedule? and do you only drop the BB for the weeks im dropping the GB? or stop with the BB as well and start week 5 with 1/4 strength Tiger Bloom? week 6.. 1/2 strength then week 7 full strength? unless they look terrible?

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No. From the switch to 12/12, following the schedule is a good idea. With the exception of the Big Bloom. I use half of that, and a little bump of molasses. The Big Bloom has nitrogen which greens-up the flowering plant. Good for growth and development, harsh when smoking. (will have to be cured-out of the buds)

Umm...all of the plants are on the same schedule, right? Looking back at your pix, I assume they are. If so, they can be placed in flower at any point. The longer you wait though, the larger your potential yields.

Old leaves are old news. Once they fall off, toss 'em. (bugs will breed under the leaf-litter)

Rusty thanks def glad to get your input :thumbsup:

I'm going to stay away from the cha-ching

Sorry Rusty I am still on the 18/6 schedule... still trying to figure out my nutes... you mentioned to not use the Grow Big during flowering as much what do you recommend??

So when I start on 12/12 I should go ahead and give them the recommended TB and half BB but how much TB?

TB per schedule. 1/2 strength for BB. If you so desire, 1/2 tsp unsulfered molasses per gallon per week. Provides the necessary calcium, magnesium and iron for strong teeth and gums. <kidding about the teeth and gums>

haha def figured about that:D i have some calmag so that should be alright to use correct?? I might go ahead and take the one out and put it into flower just bc its gettign crowded in the tent now

Full strength shouldn't be necessary yet. If anything, half strength half as often should be ok in veg. Increasing to half strength once in flower. Full strength when in full flower. (after final stretch...about 3-4 weeks in)

It's ok not to jump the gun. :thumbsup:

hold on... are we talking about the TB or the calmag?? i wasnt planning on adding calmag but maybe once a month once into flowering....

for week 5 i was going to start with 1/2 strength Tb and 1/2 strength BB.... then week 6 go full TB so for weeks 6,7,8 i shouldnt use the GB... when/and how much to use of the GB is necessary?

so what do you think about the Grow Big rusty?? only do half strength maybe twice while in flower?

Follow the schedule.

Sorry. Doc changed my meds this last week...very difficult to focus. I stopped taking them last night, so should be back to 'normal' soon.

Half-strength on the Grow Big in weeks 7 and 8. Once in flower, easy on the CalMag.

sounds good will do follow the schedule except cut back the BB to 1/2 so for week 7 2 tsp/gal GB 2 tsp/gal TB 1/2 tbls/gal BB right? also can you give me some advice on how to harvest and cure the best way, and also what to feed around the time of harvest to flush them out..... but i wont need that for a while...

You're putting the cart before the horse. Until they are ready for the final flush, you can read-up on the process. (grow logs, basic growing, Cannabis FAQ's...)

Rusty... still wondering about that info you gave me about not using as much grow big... Per FoxFarm it says weeks 7 and 8 it needs GB... do you not use as much? or do you use it at a different time??

Also you mentioned not using as much Big Bloom... Per FoxFarm schedule it has Big Bloom in every week... do i just cut it back to half strength for flowering with the BB?

I follow the schedule, but go half-strength Big Bloom in flower. But I do add 1/2 to 1 tsp unsulfered molasses per gallon once a week from middle of flower cycle till I harvest.